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AT&T Hacker 'weev' Demands One Bitcoin For Each Hour He Spent In Jail

Unknown Lamer posted about 7 months ago | from the re-arrested-on-terror-charges-in-3-2-... dept.

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Daniel_Stuckey (2647775) writes "The notorious troll and hacker known as Andrew 'weev' Auernheimer spent 13 months in jail for exposing an AT&T security flaw. He was recently released when a federal court overturned the conviction on grounds of improper venue. Now, Auernheimer has penned an open letter to the Department of Justice in which he demands reparations for acts of 'fraud' and 'violence' carried out against him over the past three years. Those reparations must be paid in Bitcoin, he says — 28,296, to be exact. At current market value, that comes out to $13.7 million. The bombastic letter is titled 'Open letter to federal scum,' and was allegedly bcc'd to 'a few hundred journalists.' In it, 28-year-old Auernheimer writes that he calculated the sum owed to him based on his market value:" A gem: "Know that all this wealth will be directed towards a good and charitable cause. I am building a series of memorial groves for the greatest patriots of our generation: Timothy McVeigh, Andrew Stack, and Marvin Heemeyer. You see, In the 'Special Housing Unit,' which is Bureau of Prisons codespeak for 'solitary confinement' and 'torture,' I had enough time to think about the current state of federal government. "

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A fifth horseman (5, Insightful)

Qzukk (229616) | about 7 months ago | (#47057013)

Now we can watch our rights be taken away in order to punish assholes, on top of drug users, pedos, terrorists, and hackers.

Remember folks, what the government does to weev, it can do to everyone else.

Re:A fifth horseman (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057085)

No shit? You mean the same country's government who passed the Alien and Sedition Acts, put the Japanese into concentration camps, got people fired and blacklisted for their political beliefs, etc. is more than willingly to abuse its powers? Say it aint so!!!

Re:A fifth horseman (2)

randomErr (172078) | about 7 months ago | (#47057263)

The government has created a martyr. If they prosecute him again it will rally his troops. If they ignore him it will rally his troops. If they pay him off he will go away for a while.

Re:A fifth horseman (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057435)

His "troops" that is, people who think the likes of McVeigh, Stack, and Heemeyer as heroes probably doesn't need any more reason to rally. Most normal law-abiding citizens aren't going to rally behind the banner of McVeigh. He should have played the game and named a couple random founding fathers. Now he's allied himself with only those who find murdering innocent people a valid way to change the federal government (worked well didn't it?). I don't see him gaining much support.

And why does he include Heemeyer in when speaking of federal government? Heemeyer's problem was with the local town council not the feds. He agreed to sell his property to a cement manufacturer for $250K then reneged and demanded $375K then a million. Obviously, the cement folks said fuck you and petitioned the town council to rezone an adjacent piece of land for their plant. The whole reason for Heemeyer's rampage was his own stupidity and greed. We're supposed to rally around that guy? You really want the law to allow you to go on a rampage if you, by your own greed, refuse a deal then get cut out of the final deal?

Re:A fifth horseman (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057523)

This post is far too informative and fact-based to be useful around here.

Re:A fifth horseman (5, Insightful)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 7 months ago | (#47057529)

The government has created a martyr.

No, they have created a kook. Anyone that considers mass murders to be "patriots", and thinks that the likes of McVeigh, Stack and Heemeyer are admirable, has lost all credibility. Rather than making the government more accountable, people like this give everyone that opposes authoritarianism a bad name.

Re:A fifth horseman (4, Insightful)

bhcompy (1877290) | about 7 months ago | (#47057629)

Honestly, it just sounds like he's picking at random, like in Die Hard.

Karl: "Asian Dawn?"
Hans: "I read about them in Time Magazine"

Clearly they've broken him and... (5, Funny)

Assmasher (456699) | about 7 months ago | (#47057015)

..he's now Weev 2.0 - now with added 'crazy'!

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (4, Interesting)

rahvin112 (446269) | about 7 months ago | (#47057223)

Prison does that. Americans are so interested in retribution and punishment that they forget what can happen to someone you treat like an animal, particularly given that said person will be released some day. The ironic part is that death row inmates are treated far better.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057293)

You're a fucking idiot who knows nothing about anything.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (2)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 7 months ago | (#47057307)

We need to stop letting sociopaths run our prisons. We should be giving all candidates psychological tests to make sure they're all compassionate people interested in keeping their prisoners safe and rehabilitating them so they can turn their lives around. Of course if you push for this, there are a ton of right-wing lunatics that will embarrass themselves by calling you "a bleeding-heart liberal." It's hard to reform society when many terrible people vote.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057573)

Are you aware those are easy to thwart? I've been given a few in the past and you lie on them.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (2)

Sperbels (1008585) | about 7 months ago | (#47057593)

Well, if the rumored prisoner/guard experiments are true, even compassionate guards turn into animals when given the opportunity.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (3, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | about 7 months ago | (#47057325)

Yeah, nobody sane is going to sympathize with Timothy McVeigh.

His reference to solitary confinement caught my attention. There was a recent Frontline on solitary confinement [pbs.org] . It is scary. It is a modern-day dungeon. These guys are so messed up there is nothing to do but lock them up and throw away the key, which messes them up even further. The convicts certainly aren't blameless to begin with, but we are over-doing it. I non-violent hacker (if that's what "weev" is/was) should not be there.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (1)

Assmasher (456699) | about 7 months ago | (#47057371)

I totally agree.

I can't imagine a scenario where sensory deprivation does anything other than make things worse. I can understand separating them from the population and taking away privileges, but there should be some basic privileges that you simply don't take away - otherwise you get 'crazy' more often than not (it would seem.)

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (3, Insightful)

FlyHelicopters (1540845) | about 7 months ago | (#47057401)

We all know this, but no one cares enough to actually do anything about it...

A government powerful enough to give you everything you need is powerful enough to take everything you have...

That isn't something taught in public schools of course, but it should be...

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (1)

Assmasher (456699) | about 7 months ago | (#47057515)

I always wondered that with the recidivism rate so high and the cost of housing inmates so high, solving the post-release job/hiring issues by offering employers who employ ex-convicts an annual/monthly tax break for employing them.

At rates of over 70% nationally for many crimes, offering 70% of half of that cost to employers annually would be interesting. Offering them nearly a thousand dollars a month in tax breaks for each convict employed at some specified pay rate...?

Surely, less difficulty in securing and holding a job would lower recidivism. Very few people appear to enjoy prison, and yet struggle far worse after they get out than before they went in.

Anyhow, I'm speculating wildly, but what we currently have does not work at all...

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057431)

Yes, we (USA) has created a monster. Solitary confinement can make a sane person wipe his shit on the wall just for entertainment.

The damage is done and weev is clearly insane and bent on damaging property and killing people. He needs to be stopped. No sane people would idolize the scum he idolizes.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (1, Flamebait)

TheCarp (96830) | about 7 months ago | (#47057479)

Oh you mean a sane person couldn't idolize a mass murderer who has used bombs to commit murder? Because that describes two men I can think of who get a lot of idolization.... Obama and Bush. Each of them and the people under them are easily responsible for more murders than any of the people on that list.

I see no real difference. At least those people acted on their own rather than ordering someone else to do their dirty work.

Re:Clearly they've broken him and... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057621)

You see no difference because you'r a retarded piece of shit internet fagtroll.

Bitcoin ? (3, Insightful)

psergiu (67614) | about 7 months ago | (#47057033)

Why Bitcoin and not Dogecoin (or any other e-currency) ?

Re:Bitcoin ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057213)

Seems like he's been out of the loop on that for some reason...

Bitcoin dwarfs Dogecoin (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057249)

1) 28,296 Dogecoin is only worth about $13.

2) He doesn't want government-issued currency because he feels this would be paying into the system that oppressed him, and Bitcoin is the most popular private currency.

3) Dogecoin changed their money supply from fixed to infinite this year, so it's probably not safe enough to store millions of dollars. It's more of a joke/tip currency.

Re:Bitcoin ? (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | about 7 months ago | (#47057309)

Why Bitcoin and not Dogecoin (or any other e-currency) ?

My guess would be he wanted to use the one with the most penetration, because his real objective (or at least a simultaneous objective) is to do a little crowdbusking.

As a side note; he may be little more than an irritating troll, but it will be interesting to see where this goes. Think of him as a walking, flaming, honeypot.

Re:Bitcoin ? (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 7 months ago | (#47057321)

You can't buy drugs with Dogecoin. At least I don't think you can. Can someone with better knowledge of black-market sites chime in?

Re:Bitcoin ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057545)

Also doesn't the fedgov have a big stash of bitcoin confiscated from silkroad?

Patriot Act His Ass! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057035)

Then see what he wants!

Timothy McVeigh (4, Insightful)

berj (754323) | about 7 months ago | (#47057049)

Wow.. good role model there.. Timothy McVeigh. I repeat.. Wow.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (2)

Zantac69 (1331461) | about 7 months ago | (#47057073)

No kidding...

weev can get bent.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (-1, Troll)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 7 months ago | (#47057383)

i know of tim mcveigh becasue he's the unabomber guy. Who are the other peopel?

Re:Timothy McVeigh (2)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 7 months ago | (#47057437)

That was Ted Kaczynski. McVeigh was the Oklahoma City bomber.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 7 months ago | (#47057547)

Oh. I wonder what weev thinks of the Unabomber

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057439)

giyf

Re:Timothy McVeigh (2)

Narcocide (102829) | about 7 months ago | (#47057525)

No, this [wikipedia.org] is "the unabomber guy." Before they caught McVeigh [wikipedia.org] though I believe it was widely speculated that his crime had been an act of the Unabomber, who had at that time not yet been caught.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (3, Insightful)

drakaan (688386) | about 7 months ago | (#47057111)

Yeah...I was borderline sympathetic up until that point. What a douche.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (1)

MrBingoBoingo (3481277) | about 7 months ago | (#47057139)

All it means is he has the balls to troll both online and offline.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057233)

Yeah, not only does it indicate that he is a total douche who idolizes murderers, it's also a massive backstab to anyone who ever supported him, since now they are associated with an enormous douche.

Fuck him.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057117)

Wow. So edgy. Very troll. Wow.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057119)

Marvin Heemeyer is the man though..

Re:Timothy McVeigh (5, Informative)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about 7 months ago | (#47057163)

Marvin Heemeyer is the man though..

"Outraged over the outcome of a zoning dispute, he armored a Komatsu D355A bulldozer with layers of steel and concrete and used it on June 4, 2004, to demolish the town hall, the former mayor's house, and other buildings in Granby, Colorado. The rampage ended when the bulldozer got stuck in the basement of a Gambles store he had previously destroyed. Heemeyer then killed himself with a handgun." (See here [wikipedia.org] .)

Truly a 'Merkin hero.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057231)

'MURICAAAAAAAA!!! Fuck Yeaaaaaaaaah!!!

Re:Timothy McVeigh (2)

GrahamJ (241784) | about 7 months ago | (#47057317)

I would have considered him a hero if he hadn't offed himself, which is certainly a cowardly act. That aside, the rampage itself was as American as you get.

Re: (1)

niado (1650369) | about 7 months ago | (#47057421)

I would have considered him a hero if he hadn't offed himself, which is certainly a cowardly act. That aside, the rampage itself was as American as you get.

Suicide is generally caused by mental illness. [wikipedia.org] Whether you characterize it as cowardice or not is a philosophical distinction, but portraying the "cowardly act" of a mentally ill person as a correctable character flaw vs. an illness that needs medical attention is unproductive.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057485)

I would have considered him a hero if he hadn't offed himself, which is certainly a cowardly act. That aside, the rampage itself was as American as you get.

Cowardly? Go ahead tough guy, see if you can make a little cut in your arm. No big deal, a little blood and pain. It will be healed in a couple days. Even the 'bravest' of men shy away from the thought of hurting themselves. Fear often rules the lives of people that judge other's cowardice.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057501)

I don't think it is *always* cowardly to kill yourself.
When the alternative is truly worse than death it's just rational.
In his case there is a decent argument for it being cowardly, though. He could have faced justice, or something justice-like.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057595)

A hero? Seriously? From an AC post above:

And why does he include Heemeyer in when speaking of federal government? Heemeyer's problem was with the local town council not the feds. He agreed to sell his property to a cement manufacturer for $250K then reneged and demanded $375K then a million. Obviously, the cement folks said fuck you and petitioned the town council to rezone an adjacent piece of land for their plant. The whole reason for Heemeyer's rampage was his own stupidity and greed. We're supposed to rally around that guy? You really want the law to allow you to go on a rampage if you, by your own greed, refuse a deal then get cut out of the final deal?

You base your hero worship on interesting criteria.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057599)

Every argument I have found that suicide is "cowardly" has a dogmatic (religious) rather than rational basis.

You only get one chance at life. The only sure way to end hope is to die. To make that choice takes either mental illness (usually) or balls.

weeve's got style, if not class (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057239)

came here for the killdozer shoutout, was not disappointed.

You can't fight city hall.
But you can knock it down if you try.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057145)

I'd probably be pretty bent if I was stuck in prison for 13 months, especially with there being nebulous amounts of solitary confinement for a non-violent crime.

Not saying he's justified. I'd prefer to think no one is justified. Everyone involved is bad people and should feel bad.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057255)

Thank you so much for that second 'wow'. That first one certainly did not adequately cover the pure state of shock you originally conveyed with the first occurrence of the word.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (2)

meta-monkey (321000) | about 7 months ago | (#47057413)

Yeah, unbeweevable.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (2)

meerling (1487879) | about 7 months ago | (#47057467)

Yeah, and demand letters like that, especially when sent to bloody everybody including a whole packload of journalists are not a good sign regarding his mental health. I read the letter, and it's not as bad as some of the 'letters', rants, and 'manifestos' dangerous nutbags have used, but it's close enough to the earlier ones to be worrying.

To abuse an old quote, "Get thee to a nuttery!". No, seriously, get this guy some mental healthcare before he does something totally psycho and irrevocable.

Re:Timothy McVeigh (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 7 months ago | (#47057551)

McVey was just stupid enough to be unbelievably lucky, or he was a patsy.

"PAY ME MY MONEY, YOU LYING SUBHUMAN GARBAGE." (2)

PvtVoid (1252388) | about 7 months ago | (#47057093)

That's going to work.

Re:"PAY ME MY MONEY, YOU LYING SUBHUMAN GARBAGE." (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about 7 months ago | (#47057553)

It kind of works for AT&T, Verizon, et. al. They are perhaps slightly more polite "Pay me my money, or else I'll throttle your bandwidth", but the implication that we're subhuman garbage is clear.

Re:"PAY ME MY MONEY, YOU LYING SUBHUMAN GARBAGE." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057557)

Well, Weev is giving them a discount, so they shouldn't complain too much.

"That's 1179 days that you used my time that I am now billing you for (I gave you a discount by not including the last day). I am owed 28,296 Bitcoins"

Yeah right. (1)

Desler (1608317) | about 7 months ago | (#47057101)

Hope he enjoys the "state sovereign immunity" rejection letter he'll receive.

Why we can't have nice things... (2)

globaljustin (574257) | about 7 months ago | (#47057103)

Weev is ruining it for everyone with his egotistical douch-nozzle approach to this whole thing.

I support *everything* Weev is doing, from a conceptual standpoint.

That's where it ends...this stupid letter shows what happens to a good mind when all other voices are shut out internally.

WE MUST CONNECT WITH OTHER PEOPLE NOT BROWBEAT THEM WITH OUR SUPERIORITY

I mean...if we ever want to win this fight...

Intelligence eclipsed by hate (5, Informative)

Stumbles (602007) | about 7 months ago | (#47057125)

Really? Those three deserve hommage by Stuckey? Stack intentionally [wikipedia.org] flies his plane into a building kill several. Heemeyer has fun with a bulldozer [wikipedia.org] . And worst of all in some respects, McVeigh detonates a bomb [wikipedia.org] killing a hundred plus people. If those are the types you admire as worthy of a memorial then you have one warped sense of admiration. None of those even come close to fitting the description of a patriot.

Re:Intelligence eclipsed by hate (2)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 7 months ago | (#47057343)

> None of those even come close to fitting the description of a patriot.

Most of the people claiming to be patriots these days are anything but. It's always selfish, clueless people who are engaging in fantasy role-playing to pretend that they're better than quality people.

Re:Intelligence eclipsed by hate (1)

GrahamJ (241784) | about 7 months ago | (#47057345)

And neither does this guy. hmmm maybe there's some kind of connection there?

Re:Intelligence eclipsed by hate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057395)

Hey! If you can admire war criminals like Kissinger, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Obama, etc, why not these guys? What makes them any worse?

Re:Intelligence eclipsed by hate (1)

Sarten-X (1102295) | about 7 months ago | (#47057411)

Let's not forget the "patriots" who destroyed others' legal property [wikipedia.org] in protest against their rightful government. What's the difference, anyway?

...the difference is that the patriots of the American Revolution spent a few decades lobbying and writing essays before any violence, pursuing a diplomatic resolution even after the fighting broke out.

In my opinion, patriots don't just promote some message. They stand for and live by the ideals of their country, even if their government doesn't. For an American, that means patriots are the ones promoting peace and democracy, respecting opponents' opinions and their right to express those opinions, and above all else ensuring that the governmental processes are fair, even if the outcome isn't.

There's nothing fair about the process of slaughtering civilians just so your manifesto is broadcast on TV.

Re:Intelligence eclipsed by hate (2)

Megane (129182) | about 7 months ago | (#47057443)

Stack intentionally flies his plane into a building kill several.

Not several. He hit a break room. He killed himself and one guy who was just getting a cup of coffee.

Re:Intelligence eclipsed by hate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057489)

Maybe he's just trolling us all and is really going to buy a condo in Orlando and retire.

Re:Intelligence eclipsed by hate (2)

phantomfive (622387) | about 7 months ago | (#47057537)

Weeve is not a brave kind of guy, he's a griefer and a fool; smart, but makes bad decisions. A lot of hackers do. [cyberpunk.ru] By choosing that list of people, he's trying to scare government agents from doing it again to him. He doesn't understand the world well enough to understand how to get what he wants. Threatening violence against the government is not going to help, but he thinks it will because it's helped against other people in the past.

His Time May Still Come (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 7 months ago | (#47057129)

That the court overturned the conviction on grounds of improper venue does not prevent the Gub'ment from going after him again in the "proper" venue. If he makes himself enough of a pain, it could be sooner rather than later. Certainly they are watching him closely now.

Re:His Time May Still Come (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057269)

and that list of names is sure to convince the public at large to be on his side . This is how not to fight oppression in 1 easy step.

Re:His Time May Still Come (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057519)

Because laws in different venues differ. What is crime in one venue is not a crime in another one. Whether he was convinced properly or not, that law was not supposed to apply to him.

McVeigh hates technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057131)

He is aware that McVeigh was an anarcho-primitivist, correct?

How does he get the three year figure? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057135)

TFS says he spent 13 months in prison. Now, I understand that there would have been an arrest by federal agents and a trial. However, usually when people seek restitution for wrongful imprisonment, they seek it for the time they actually spent in prison. I'm sure he didn't spend nearly two years in pre-trial detention, so where does he get three years from?

weev is a cunt. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057141)

And he was released because the regime he's living in, while far from perfect, is more civilized than the terror he fantasizes about.

Great, another pothead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057165)

Just pay weev in weed, it's all he wants anyway.

Sure, government would apply with currency what... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057185)

With currency what government doesn't recognize, it is clear that they could just give him some Monopoly money and say "Here you go!"

You owe the state a dime (2)

paiute (550198) | about 7 months ago | (#47057195)

The prison library called to say there was an overdue book on his account:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H... [wikipedia.org]

Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (4, Insightful)

Morpeth (577066) | about 7 months ago | (#47057199)

I absolutely detest the state of things right now, the NSA/Snowden revelations, corporations/lobbyists running the gov't, rights being ignored, etc. BUT that said, TImothy McVeigh was a murderer... including 18 children:

Peachlyn Bradley, 3, Oklahoma City
Gabreon D.L. Bruce, 3 months, Oklahoma City
Ashley Megan Eckles, 4, Guthrie
Baylee Almon, 1, Oklahoma City
Danielle Nicole Bell, 15 months, Oklahoma City
Zachary Taylor Chavez, 3, Oklahoma City
Anthony Christopher Cooper II, 2, Moore
Antonio Ansara Cooper Jr., 6 months, Midwest City
Aaron M. Coverdale, 5 1/2, Oklahoma City
Elijah S. Coverdale, 2 1/2, Oklahoma City
Jaci Rae Coyne, 14 months, Moore
Taylor Santoi Eaves, 8 months, Midwest City
Tevin D'Aundrae Garrett, 16 months, Midwest City
Kevin "Lee" Gottshall II, 6 months, Norman
Blake Ryan Kennedy, 1 1/2, Amber
Dominique Ravae (Johnson)-London, 2, Oklahoma City
Chase Dalton Smith, 3, Oklahoma City
Colton Wade Smith, 2, Oklahoma City

Many people are angry and frustrated, but please read those names and ages and tell me again about his 'heroism'?

Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057361)

How many babies does it take to make a bottle of baby oil? It depends on how hard you squeeze them.

What is red and is creeping up your leg? An abortion with homesickness.

What is funnier than a dead baby? A dead baby in a clown costume.

What is the difference between a baby and a onion? No one cries when you chop up the baby.

Two sociologists find a baby lying in a ditch, crying, bleeding, covered in bruises. They watch him for a minute, then one of them tells the other: "The man who did this really needs our help"

How do you turn a baby into a dog? Pour gas over it and light a match. Woof.

How do you turn a baby into a cat? Freeze it solid, then run it through a bandsaw. Meeow.

Why do japs have squinty eyes? Because the atom bomb is bright.

Re:Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057365)

Boo fucking hoo.

Re:Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (-1, Troll)

TheCarp (96830) | about 7 months ago | (#47057397)

He didn't put a bunch of kids inside a legitimate target. There were also DEA and BATF in that building. Also since by current military guidelines any male old enough to carry a gun is a militant, so he killed a lot more militants than kids.

Re:Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057587)

He didn't put a bunch of kids inside a legitimate target. There were also DEA and BATF in that building. Also since by current military guidelines any male old enough to carry a gun is a militant, so he killed a lot more militants than kids.

Legitimate target? Those were civilians you freak.

Re:Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (2)

QuasiSteve (2042606) | about 7 months ago | (#47057571)

While I agree with the sentiment that thinking of somebody like McVeigh as an absolute hero, I don't think the reason for that should be hinging on the fact that children died in the attack. It's a bomb. It's about as non-discriminatory as weapons go.

Assume no children died, would that somehow qualify him as being a hero after all?
What about teenager Cartney McRaven, age 19?

What about Kathy Cregan, Rheta Long, Laura Garrison, LutherTreanor, Olen Bloomer, Calvin Battle, Norma Johnson, Donald Burns Sr., Donald Fritzler, Eula Mitchell, Anna Hurlburt, John Vaness III, and Charles Hurlburt - who were all probably looking forward to their retirement or were otherwise just at the wrong place at the wrong time?

What about the 135 other people who don't fit the criteria of child, teen or 60+?

Timothy McVeigh was a murderer, period. Read that, and tell me again about his heroism.

While we're at it - let's not start thinking of weev as a hero either. His mentioning of McVeigh could just as well be part of his usual trolling, which borders on the distasteful at best.

Re:Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 7 months ago | (#47057597)

He attacked a federal building. Or as Obama and Bush say "Collateral Damage".

But I get you, it is only "murder" when it is a foreign terrorist organization, not an American one.

Um... McVeigh a hero? You lost me pal (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057611)

Exactly. There are those that want to claim you have to support domestic terrorists, or else be considered part of the problem. Sadly, those who idolize domestic terrorists are as much a problem as government bureaucrats. Neither has respect for life.

memorial groves? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057221)

I think he is just going to blow up as many government buildings as he can if (he won't) he gets money. That is what he means by 'memorial groves'.

He needs to be hunted down and jailed indefinitely.

I worked about a mile away from the IRS building that Andrew Stack destroyed. It was horrific.

If you can't win on ideas and effort, don't play.

So we should care? (1)

ADRA (37398) | about 7 months ago | (#47057227)

He was convicted of a crime (assuming his guilt was established correctly) and the case was overturned on a 'venue' law, so, why the fck does anyone care about this exactly? That a douche tries to one-up his haters? If I wanted that, I'd read more Rob Ford. That's a guy with actual train-wreck entertainment value.

If I were the Feds (2)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 7 months ago | (#47057235)

I would agree to pay him, but while negotiating the payment, I would make sure the IRS got word.

Can anyone say "audit".

Re:If I were the Feds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057313)

Oh that'll show him! Cave to his insane demands, but make sure he pays his taxes normally . Mwah ha ha you devious monster....

Re:If I were the Feds (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 7 months ago | (#47057367)

You think that when the IRS audits him, they won't find plenty of irregularities in his books. If they even exist?
He could wind up ion the courts for decades.

Re:If I were the Feds (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | about 7 months ago | (#47057615)

Civil awards are not subject to taxes. Sorry.

Don't count your chickens... (1)

westlake (615356) | about 7 months ago | (#47057237)

He was recently released when a federal court overturned the conviction on grounds of improper venue.

Which means his case can retried elsewhere. He cannot claim "double jeopardy."

if the government fails to produce adequate evidence to prove an element of the crime, then the defendant is acquitted and the government doesn't get another bite at the apple. But this has nothing to do with a conviction being vacated because of a procedural error.

Does Double Jeopardy Forestall Auernheimer's Retrial? [lawtheories.com]

Re:Don't count your chickens... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057495)

The government can only try him again in another venue if and only if they do not attempt to introduce even a tiny iota of new evidence. They must also produce the same witnesses they produced in the first trial, and they must give the exact same answers as they did in the first.

While in theory it is possible for the government to try him again, in practice it isn't, because in essence the trial must be replayed in the new court exactly as it was played in the old court with not a shred of new evidence produced.

Any new evidence WILL trip the double jeopardy bomb. New evidence also includes any change in prior evidence or testimony.

His Rage is Understandable (2)

The Raven (30575) | about 7 months ago | (#47057251)

But still pointless, useless, and self-destructive. The letter is bad enough that if he denied writing it, I would believe that it was a character assassination attempt. The guy didn't deserve prison, but he's still an idiot.

Don't feed the troll. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057283)

See title.

He knows he's going back to jail (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057299)

So this guy probably knows he WILL be going back to jail. It can be in a few months, or a few years: as soon as the government feels like it's time to try him in the appropriate jurisdiction. Therefore, he decided to troll the govt before going back in.
Now, praising Timothy McVeigh... Well, that's a bit over the top seeing as he was an amoral murderer. But hey, guess what, ordering someone to spend extended periods of time in the 'Special Housing Unit' (aka 23h a day in a small room with no comfort by yourself, then spending 1h outside by yourself), especially for hacking, is also pretty horrible... and apparently it can make way for sociopathy.

no law against being an a-hole yet. (1)

tommyatomic (924744) | about 7 months ago | (#47057301)

In this particular situation what did anyone really expect? All loopholes aside the guy was wrongfully imprisoned. Many of his supporters admit the guy was a bit of an a-hole. I cant imagine him not being pissed about what happened and wanting a little compensation. And everyone likes a little righteous retribution. Especially a-holes.

Re:no law against being an a-hole yet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057449)

There's no law against being an a-hole but there are 1000s of rarely enforced laws they can use against a-holes Everyone is guilty of something..

Re:no law against being an a-hole yet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057531)

And that's I'm still glad to be living in America rather than Somalia. You can be an outright sociopathic asshat calling for the killing of innocents and your government will still, in the majority of cirumstances, have to follow the law - even if that means letting you roam the streets because of a bureaucratic fuck-up.

Im no psychologist (4, Insightful)

nimbius (983462) | about 7 months ago | (#47057375)

But Mister Weev seems a touch frustrated by the machinations of the american legal system as they pertain to billion dollar monopolies. The US Government has granted retroactive immunity to AT&T for a cornucopia of offenses with such timeliness as to be indistinguishable from an NTP stratum. Given the historical context in which AT&T has consistently operated, it would be no surprise if the government not only categorically refused payment, but retroactively enacted legislation ensuring Weev was guilty.

Erroneous market value (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057417)

The reason drug dealers and hackers get paid so much is risk. You're paying them to take a legal or physical risk on your behalf in order to deliver the good or service. So although that bag of weed might be worth only $20, you'll get charged $40 because the dealer is passing along the cost of potentially going to prison. When you add up all his profits and multiply by his chances of imprisonment, you will get the value the dealer/hacker places on NOT being in prison. This is part of the reason why drugs purchased online are cheaper (ignoring shipping) - there is a much lower risk to the dealer.

So when Weev asks for reimbursement for his time in prison, he should be saying it's to pay back his customers, not to build a shrine. His self-reported market value is BECAUSE there was a chance of being thrown in prison for years. Would he be paying the state back if he hadn't been arrested?

put him back in the can (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 7 months ago | (#47057465)

this guy's a dirtball.

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