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Microsoft Fends Off Data Request, FBI Gets Data Another Way

Soulskill posted about 3 months ago | from the more-than-one-way-to-eavesdrop-on-a-cat dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In a time when the government avows that it cannot carry out justice without issuing secret warrants and National Security Letters to anyone other than the suspect, it is truly noteworthy when news breaks that the FBI, facing push-back from the likes of a company such as Microsoft, finds that it can indeed gather the information it needs for its investigation through a regular search warrant applied directly to its suspect. Such was the case on Thursday. Court documents (PDF) reveal that Microsoft filed a petition against the National Security Letter (NSL) it received involving one of its customers, citing violations to the First Amendment. The FBI later withdrew the NSL and went after their suspect in the old, Constitutionally-sound way. A federal judge ruled last year that the NSLs impinge on free speech' That judgement has been stayed, of course, pending appeal."

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FBI doesn't need to violate the Constitution... (2, Insightful)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47075793)

to gather evidence.

In other words, roping in government information gathering abilities is an exercise in futility. If Google/Microsoft/Apple/IBM/etc. won't directly surrender confidential or sensitive personal information, they can get it another way. In effect, citizens have no right or expectation of privacy from the government.

In other news today: water still wet, fire still hot. Film at eleven.

Re:FBI doesn't need to violate the Constitution... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47075875)

Nobody in all of these debates has been arguing that the government shouldn't have access to information to investigate crime, catch terrorists, etc.
We just want them to be made to follow the rules, especially the Bill of Rights.

Re:FBI doesn't need to violate the Constitution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076287)

Actually, there are some people who have been arguing that, some from the perspective of anti-government entirely, others from a perspective that government shouldn't consider these things crimes, and some who possibly just don't know what they were saying.

Re:FBI doesn't need to violate the Constitution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077833)

And some of us believe that we shouldn't be spied upon if we're not committing a crime. If there's not a [i]reason[/i] to look at me, then don't. And no, having a friend in another country (or multiple friends) is not a reason to question my morals or ethics, and it's far from being a crime.

Unfortunately, once this information is gathered (illegally), it becomes available in perpetuity. If, 10 years from now your particularly powerful boss decides to do a little digging, is he/she going to be concerned that you had an orgy with your roommate and the football team? Is it any of his business?

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47075985)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS etc. too? Please -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS etc. too? Please -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Re:mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076621)

Shove it up your ass, APK, you llama-fucking faggot.

Re:mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077451)

mmell BUSTED caught trying to ac post "support himself" again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ? Yes. You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Re:mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076629)

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues

Dude, seriously, you're the batshit crazy internet stalker speaking crazy stuff.

You're a ranting crazy moron who has posted this drivel 5 times in response to the parent.

Seriously, stop trying to compensate for your tiny penis and your micro-brain.

Busted supporting yourself by ac posts? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077469)

mmell BUSTED caught trying to ac post "support himself" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ? Yes. You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Hey Alan... (0, Offtopic)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47076805)

What does any of that have to do with the current thread under discussion?

Let me guess - you don't get any of the attention you crave elsewhere, right? Mommy was always there to shelter her "sensitive little boy", I don't know if Daddy just left you or if he just never respected a gutless worm such as yourself. Now you have the internet. You can be as annoying and self-centered as you like, and never fear that you will be called to account for your excesses. It's like having the internet defending "Mommy's little boy" without the humiliation of Mommy actually having to save her little darling.

It's like a wonderland for you, isn't it? You can say anything anywhere, no matter how offtopic or unwelcome without fear of reprisal. It must've been hard for you - Daddy didn't care how smart or sensitive you were, he was still disgusted at having a gutless little worm for a son. Did he leave your Mommy over this, or did he just abuse you?

Now, you seem to feel empowered. You can actively troll, insult, and make a general nuisance of yourself without fear of reprisal. It must really hurt to know that even here on the internet, even without direct contact, you're quivering core of fear is plainly visible for all to see. It must've really hurt to be banned from all of these arenas, to discover that you're not absolutely immune to being called to account. It must hurt even worse to discover that there are no family or friends even here on the internet. You yell your same message "pity me, I've been wronged" without even varying the words. You haven't even got the simple mental skill to devise new and unique messages - I'm guessing you have all of your rants neatly stored in Notepad documents, ready to cut 'n' paste at need. Shouting these canned messages is the only way you can prove to yourself that you matter.

So, once more - what does anything you've posted here have to do with the current thread under discussion? Or were you just verifying my earlier post on another thread. You will remember, I predicted exactly this behavior. You'll no doubt respond with something along the lines of "two wrongs do make a right", but really - where did the post stalking begin? How many others have you done this to? Thank you for verifying the accuracy of my posts in this specific regard - that you simply lack the emotional and intellectual maturity to do anything more than rant and moan, attempting to hurt all of those mean people you think have done you harm (note that the above mentioned errors on my part resulted directly from your post-stalking behavior). I won't say you brought it on yourself; as I mentioned, I made a mistake. I suppose you don't make any mistakes, eh? Your post-stalking and blogpost spamming are all perfectly okay, because you're right? Let me know when you'll own up for your mistakes, but I'm guessing never. You're a child. I'd blame your parents, but beyond a certain age you should be ready to take responsibility for your own actions. I'm guessing that's another thing your parents failed to teach you.

So one last time - what does any of what you've posted have to do with the current conversation?

Quit projecting mmell (you libeler) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076919)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Re:Quit projecting mmell (you libeler) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47078245)

Truth is always a defence against claims of libel, and there is clearly no doubt whatsoever that your "application" is properly classified by AV vendors. You are the author of malware, plain and simple. You also need to seek professional help.

Re:Hey Alan... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076949)

Awww, poor little libeling punk mmell doesn't like being exposed http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Exposed like Albert . . . (-1, Offtopic)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077175)

. . . Alexander Peter Kowalski, Momma's Boy. A perpetual disappointment to his Father. No friends. Even most of his relatives don't especially like him.

Poor Allie. Even here in the internet, even behind a keyboard the quivering little boy too afraid to even defend himself on the schoolyard. The bullies must've had a real field day with poor Alan. People can't even get his name right.

Sixty odd responses from poor Alfred - I'm hitting a nerve eh? I'm becoming more and more certain that my guesses are dead on the mark. Poor APK - doomed to live in a world that just doesn't love him like his Mommy.

So will you expose one of your sock-puppets, or shall I keep telling the world all about poor abused Alexander Peter Kowalski. I'm sure your Momma must be proud of her sensitive little boy, eh?

Re:Exposed like Albert . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077373)

Hahaha mmell's caught trying to "ac support himself" again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Re:Exposed like Albert . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47078255)

Who were you replying to here then mmell calling them ac http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ? YOURSELF you dimwitted idiot. You are busted trying to "support yourself" by ac posts. You truly ARE a "registered 'luser'"

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077063)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Can't you come up with something original? (1)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077187)

Or are you as intellectually stunted as you are emotionally?

Re:Can't you come up with something original? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077417)

LMAO - Caught trying to ac post "support yourself" again mmell http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ? Yes. You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Re:Can't you come up with something original? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47078291)

This week its mmell. Last week it was KSKosuyke. Before that, there was an endless stream of individuals that you stalked. No rational person could believe that that long list of people all engaged in the same behavior you claim. The common thread is clear : it is you. You are suffering a serious mental condition and really should be getting professional treatment. Have your neighbours in syracuse noticed pets going missing?

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077101)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Spyware is spyware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47078221)

Why do so many reputable AV vendors classify your program as the spyware it is? Why won't you address the legitimate criticism regarding how poorly written the software is? When will you seek the professional mental health help you clearly need?

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076003)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS etc. too? Please -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS etc. too? Please -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Re:mmell LIBEL classics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076109)

APK, you are retarded. Shut the fuck up, you idiot. Die in a fire.

Look out. (0, Offtopic)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47076923)

He has sock-puppet accounts. He manages to post enough good stuff here to get himself mod points, which he uses to downmod anybody who disagrees with him. I personally don't care; and despite his behavior I don't downmod his comments (as A/C, I see him at -1 anyhow; it would be a waste of mod points).

Oh, wait - you're posting A/C as well. I've considered that; but it would be the move of a coward, afraid he'll get beat up in the schoolyard again. Afraid Mommy'll have to rescue him again, afraid Daddy'll be ashamed or worse yet, angry at his useless dick-turd being gutless and worthless yet again.

In short - don't be too hard on APK. He can't help it - he's damaged goods. Too bad; he seems to be a pretty fair programmer (although he apparently needs to have his software hosted offshore - do a whois on the start64.com website and you'll see) - and his emotional instability probably make it impossible to trust his software, certainly in an enterprise setting.

Quit projecting your methods mmell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076979)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics quoted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076987)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Re:Look out. (0, Troll)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077073)

After review, I understand why you have chosen A/C protection. Never meant to imply otherwise - although my post was imprecise enough about this to leave the question open. I'm referring to APK not actually using one of his registered accounts to respond to me.

Just wanted to clarify that.

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077127)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell busted trying to "self-support" himself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077183)

After review, I understand why you have chosen A/C protection. by mmell (832646) on Friday May 23, 2014 @02:39PM (#47077073)

That's YOURSELF you're replying to, not an AC (you're busted) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] what an utter FOOL you are.

Re:mmell busted trying to "self-support" himself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077235)

ROTFLMAO right: mmell said it to himself (literally) & forgot to post ac projecting his own "modus operandi" here using sockpuppets to upmod his own posts under different account names and downmodding anyone that exposes him in his underhanded scumbaggery!

Hey Alouicious... (1, Insightful)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077547)

Can I get some of what you're smoking? Or is this just more of your delusional pattern emerging?

Re:Hey Alouicious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077667)

ROTFLMAO this is no delusion, it's fact (your busted ac supporting yourself) http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Wow. (0)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077255)

You're upbringing even deprived you of the ability to think clearly? Did Daddy abuse you physically? Maybe he beat you for not standing up to the bullies at school. Once more, Mommy had to come to the rescue. So humiliating - fighting down the tears while Mommy held her little boy to her breast.

Keep it up - with every post, you provide more information. Keep going - eventually, somebody may notice you. Not your strident posts, you. You may get the help you need then, unless you make it the rest of the way to your inevitable end. Tell me - do you torture or abuse small animals, or have you gotten past that point yet?

R O T F L M A O you're busted stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077283)

Forgot to submit ac did ya to "support yourself"? Yes http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077361)

You're SO stupid. Projecting your modus operandi + being caught supporting yourself http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Re:Wow. (0)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077597)

Well - at least, you're typing now instead of cutting and pasting. You're absolutely wrong, of course; but it's still an improvement.

Keep up the good work - once we have you actually thinking and typing your troll posts, maybe we can work on helping to heal the scars your parents left on you, the scars the schoolyard left on you. Nobody in his right mind would trust your software in an enterprise setting of course, but maybe you could hold down a job as a computer operator or a print monkey somewhere.

I shall work towards the day when you admit you have severe psychological problems and need help. I hope it comes soon.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077689)

Quit projecting: ROTFLMAO mmell caught trying to "ac post support yourself" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Too close for comfort, eh? (0)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077751)

Not projection, incidentally. Just observation and analysis.

And you haven't answered my question - have you progressed to torturing and killing small animals, or is your participation as an A/C here on /. filling that need for you?

Abused during childhood? Check.

Likes to torture/kill small animals? Check (by proxy, through the internet and online forums).

Serial murder?

Re:Too close for comfort, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077785)

ROTFLMAO mmell caught trying to ac post "support himself" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

mmell caught ac posting to "support himself" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077643)

ROTFLMAO http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

mmell LIBEL classics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077083)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Re:Look out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077431)

Caught trying to ac post "support yourself" again mmell http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] in YOUR REPLY TO YOUR POST HERE NOW? Yes. You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Huh? (0)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077533)

Now you've progressed beyond the big lie (which you keep retelling as loudly and as often as you can) and on to outright delusion. Did Daddy really expect so much out of his Momma's Boy that you are actually becoming delusional now?

I'm still curious - have you progressed to torturing and killing small animals, or are you still heading down the road to true psychopathy?

mmell caught trying to ac post "support himself" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077729)

ROTFLMAO my subject's fact: Not delusion http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

If you believe anybody here will believe that (0)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47077797)

you are truly delusional. Or (as I've speculated) trying to use the "Big Lie" method. I'm leaning towards delusional - it goes with the triad you're fulfilling:

Abused during childhood.

Likes to torture and kill helpless animals (by proxy via the internet).

Only one last step to go - unless you've already gone there?

Re:If you believe anybody here will believe that (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077827)

I believe it. Anyone that reads can. Don't delude yourself. Your words show you post to yourself saying it was an ac. You're busted mmell http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

mmell = registered /. 'luser' (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47078235)

Who were you replying to here then mmell calling them ac http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ? YOURSELF you dimwitted idiot. You are busted trying to "support yourself" by ac posts. You truly ARE a "registered 'luser'"

Answer this honest question mmell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47078281)

Who were you replying to here then mmell calling them ac http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ? YOURSELF you dimwitted idiot. You are busted trying to "support yourself" by ac posts. You truly ARE a "registered 'luser'"

Re:FBI doesn't need to violate the Constitution... (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about 3 months ago | (#47076009)

In other words, roping in government information gathering abilities is an exercise in futility. If Google/Microsoft/Apple/IBM/etc. won't directly surrender confidential or sensitive personal information, they can get it another way. In effect, citizens have no right or expectation of privacy from the government.

Well, you know, what the net effect was that they went back and got a good old fashioned warrant from a judge.

They didn't go directly to Microsoft and successfully get the information without any oversight. They had to get a judge to sign off on it.

This is the way they're supposed to be getting it. Judges may or may not rubber stamp it, but at least it's gone through a process -- lately they've just been getting information without a warrant or oversight on the basis that they want it.

If anything, this is (hopefully) the beginning of things swinging back to these agencies being required to show cause and follow the proper procedures, instead of just side-stepping those and getting it on demand.

Re:FBI doesn't need to violate the Constitution... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076865)

In other words, roping in government information gathering abilities is an exercise in futility. If Google/Microsoft/Apple/IBM/etc. won't directly surrender confidential or sensitive personal information, they can get it another way. In effect, citizens have no right or expectation of privacy from the government.

Well, you know, what the net effect was that they went back and got a good old fashioned warrant from a judge.

They didn't go directly to Microsoft and successfully get the information without any oversight. They had to get a judge to sign off on it.

This is the way they're supposed to be getting it. Judges may or may not rubber stamp it, but at least it's gone through a process -- lately they've just been getting information without a warrant or oversight on the basis that they want it.

If anything, this is (hopefully) the beginning of things swinging back to these agencies being required to show cause and follow the proper procedures, instead of just side-stepping those and getting it on demand.

This has NOTHING to do with getting the information.

The FBI later withdrew the NSL and went after their suspect in the old, Constitutionally-sound way. A federal judge ruled last year that the NSLs impinge on free speech

The issue is NSL recipient's free speech vs. NSL nondisclosure requirement. Nothing to even do with the target of the NSL, or scope of a warrant. We don't even know how the FBI ended up getting the information they wanted about their suspects, other than through one of X, Y or Z probably in the redacted document.

Christ, the linked court document even says in very easy to understand text:

b) Setting aside the NSL as oppressive and unreasonable because the documents requested are more appropriately sought directly from XXXX, or, in the alternative, modifying the Nondisclosure Provisions to allow Microsoft to disclose the NSL to ZZZZ; and YYYY

I'm half surprised nobody has managed to write NSA instead of FBI on this page yet.

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076027)

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Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS etc. too? Please -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

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THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

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Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

Re:mmell LIBEL classics (1)

mmell (832646) | about 3 months ago | (#47076947)

Like predicting that you would resume post-stalking and spamming /.?

Re:mmell LIBEL classics (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077705)

ROTFLMAO mmell caught trying ac post "supporting himself" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Answer an honest question mmell (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47078301)

Who were you replying to here mmell calling them ac here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] ? YOURSELF you dimwitted idiot. You are busted trying to "support yourself" by ac posts. You truly ARE a "registered 'luser'"

Why don't you sue him for libel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076997)

A quick google on Alexander Peter Kowalski shows me that you should know how to do this?

Why bother? mmell's ruining himself here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077757)

ROTFLMAO caught trying to ac post "support himself" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] mmell = a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076565)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076581)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076603)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076663)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076685)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076709)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076727)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

mmell LIBEL classics (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076743)

Saying I use hosts to evade police while I surf little boy porn http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (1 of 2)

Libeling me saying my WARE IS A VIRUS http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] (2 of 2)

THEN RECANTING THAT LIBEL HERE http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

?

ERRONEOUSLY saying I was creating a DNS replacment (which it's not, it shores up DNS redirect security issues & resolves FASTER locally in RAM vs. remote lookups) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

Saying VI can do all my APK Hosts File Engine can do (not) & running -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] when VI can't?

* Please... lol!

APK

P.S.=> You have SERIOUS issues - get over your ''geek angst" already (you're not even much of a 'geek' based on your technical screwups above)... apk

You're busted mmell (replying to yourself?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077261)

We see you forgot to submit ac to support yourself lol http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org]

mmell busted ac post "supporting himself" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077859)

ROTFLMAO mmell caught trying to ac post "support himself" http://slashdot.org/comments.p... [slashdot.org] You're a fool that projected his own modus operandi doing it no less.

Millions of Americans died because of this! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47075805)

Forcing the FBI to follow due process will be the dea... wait, you mean nobody died and the FBI got what it wanted legally? Isn't the FBI aware that they're supposed to wait until after everyone dies to do anything so they can insist that they need more unconstitutional powers to protect us?

Clearly someone did not get the memo.

Re:Millions of Americans died because of this! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47075889)

If you read the documents, the FBI wanted data on the activities of a Microsoft enterprise customer not one of the common people.

Re:Millions of Americans died because of this! (1)

devnulljapan (316200) | about 3 months ago | (#47078049)

If you read the documents, the FBI wanted data on the activities of a Microsoft enterprise customer not one of the common people.

"If you're not cop, you're little people"

Microsoft is gonna get in a lot of trouble (4, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 3 months ago | (#47075837)

They could end up on Double-Secret Probation.

Re:Microsoft is gonna get in a lot of trouble (1)

Kardos (1348077) | about 3 months ago | (#47075915)

Pfft, that's nothing. I've been on Double-Secret Probation for several years. The one to be concerned about is Super-Double-Secret-We're-Serious-This-Time Probation.

Re:Microsoft is gonna get in a lot of trouble (3, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 3 months ago | (#47075983)

Only the EU can issue those, here in 'Murica we think that shit "stifles innovation".

Re:Microsoft is gonna get in a lot of trouble (2)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | about 3 months ago | (#47076137)

They could end up on Double-Secret Probation.

I know the reference, but, somehow, I got the image of someone bent over, blindfolded, pants around their ankles...so no more premium cable for me.

Re:Microsoft is gonna get in a lot of trouble (2)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 3 months ago | (#47076187)

No, no. That's Double Penetration.

Re:Microsoft is gonna get in a lot of trouble (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077871)

So you are saying is FBI + NSA ?? Wow ! What a pair of studs.

Betting Pool (-1, Offtopic)

meerling (1487879) | about 3 months ago | (#47075909)

To join this betting pool, donate $5 to slashdot.
Declare in a post how quickly it will turn into an Anti-Microsoft rant as Microsoft was mentioned in the article.
Please note the house already has the first 20 posts and 20 minutes, so if you want to win, you have to choose something after that.

Obviously you will never win, but you can be assured that Slashdot appreciates your money. Hosting this site ain't free.

I have nothing to do with the running of slashdot, I'm just another snarky poster. :)

Re:Betting Pool (1)

Kardos (1348077) | about 3 months ago | (#47075955)

I think you're discounting the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" effect. I bet you cleaned up in the recent "surface" post though.

Wait a minute... (2)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | about 3 months ago | (#47075921)

....Doesn't every other article on /. claim MS gives the (favorite three letter agency goes here) backdoors to all of their clients machines? Why would they even need to talk to MS at all if this is true?
Or has /. become the new National Enquirer?

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

Kardos (1348077) | about 3 months ago | (#47075971)

So you're saying this is a thinly veiled publicity stunt to help restore MS's reputation?

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | about 3 months ago | (#47076369)

That could very well be.

Either that, or we have made ourselves so paranoid of spying (with good reason!) that we have made to boogeyman more powerful than he really is....

Sometimes I suspect our speculations have become fact via repetition.

I personally, am going to fire one up, sit back, and observe. The world has become a Tragic Comedy, and I feel the third act is near.

Re:Wait a minute... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076085)

The NSA backdoor was running Server 2003 for legacy reasons, and wasn't able to deliver all that "metadata" quickly enough.

Re:Wait a minute... (1)

Pitawg (85077) | about 3 months ago | (#47077435)

.... /. claim MS gives the (favorite three letter agency goes here) backdoors to all of their clients machines?

That was in the era where software was delivered/obtained and installed on the users computer. This is the age of server based subscription applications. They were only allowing back doors into other people's equipment, never MS server total access if they could help it.

--
Do unto others, never me. -- MS

Re:Wait a minute... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077497)

NSA is known to not like sharing it's information. Just because one government agency has it doesn't many that all government agencies have it.

Which if you start thinking deeply about such things you realize that all organizations are political and many have a tendency to want to keep power in their own hands. Sharing information when you are an information agency is a distribution of power. And you have these sorts of struggles within an agency too. The right hand doesn't necessarily have access to what the left hand has. Even if it legally has the right too. In this case sharing such illegally collected information with the FBI would be illegal as well. No reason to share evidence of your crimes with other organizations.

Not that they don't ever play nice. But organizations are made up of people and there's all sorts of people in the world.

Hurray! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47075941)

Hooray! Go Microsoft!....

What?... What did I say?

Re:Hurray! (4, Interesting)

Wootery (1087023) | about 3 months ago | (#47076325)

It's ok, there's still time to be cynical: perhaps they've just woken up to the fact that Cisco are hurting bad [infoworld.com] after they lost everyone's trust, and don't want to face the same downturn.

Re:Hurray! (1)

Arith (708986) | about 3 months ago | (#47076367)

GET HIM!

This won't end well for Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47075979)

The govt will just say that NSLs are only issued to Terrorists and that said Terrorists are not protected by the constitution. It has happened several times under Bush's regime, you would be naive to think that Obama would change that.

There's a bit of a distinction here (2)

Virtucon (127420) | about 3 months ago | (#47076059)

In reading the documents, the NSL surrounded a Microsoft enterprise customer. This could have been around Azure or any other professional service that Microsoft offers to organizations. Since the documents provided don't disclose a who, it could be assumed that the FBI was looking into a company, not an individual. Since everything else around this case is sealed, we'll never know who or what organization was targeted by the NSL which again problematic in a free country.

I find this other statement hilarious.

The FBI obtained the requested information through lawful means from a third party, the Customer, in a way that maintains the confidentiality of the underlying investigation

It's obvious that the Customer knows now that they're targeted in an investigation and "lawful" means would imply that the NSL wasn't legal or possibly that the FBI uses "unlawful" means of obtaining information? I guess I just find the wording funny, I mean they could have just said "we obtained a search warrant and served it directly on the suspect."

Re:There's a bit of a distinction here (1)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | about 3 months ago | (#47076485)

"we obtained a search warrant and served it directly on the suspect."

Non-starter. No entertainment value. What do you want? News?

Re:There's a bit of a distinction here (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 3 months ago | (#47076965)

I'd like to know how they can do something "lawful" and obtain the information from the customer without disclosing what the "underlying investigation" is about?

Re:There's a bit of a distinction here (1)

pslytely psycho (1699190) | about 3 months ago | (#47077317)

Because they rolled a lawful evil character?

Seriously though...you make a good point. It's all more cloak and dagger bullshit.

Re:There's a bit of a distinction here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47077245)

well there are two ways of looking at it The Nsa way - Corporations are people , All people are terrorists. Or corporations aren't people therefore the constitution dosnt protect them.

Either way they will get what they want.

Ya'll wanna fix this shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47076265)

Vote and no matter who it is, re-elect no one. Ever.

10-20 years from now we will be able to start repairing the last 100 years of shortsightedness and simple human greed.

Re:Ya'll wanna fix this shit? (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about 3 months ago | (#47076651)

this times 100

Regular Search Warrant (1)

PPH (736903) | about 3 months ago | (#47076309)

the FBI, .... finds that it can indeed gather the information it needs for its investigation through a regular search warrant applied directly to its suspect.

This works for past bad deeds. Where the evidence of a crime already exists and only needs to be collected. It doesn't help with collecting data in anticipation of future wrongdoing.

This works to deter people or organizations who don't want to get caught after the fact. It doesn't help in the event that organization doesn't care one way or another. Like the people flying planes into buildings. Sure, go ahead and charge them with a crime. They are beyond caring.

What this comes down to is: In order to live in a society with the sort of freedoms we have beed accustomed to for the past few hundred years, we are going to have to live with 3000 lives more or less lost every decade or so. On the other hand, we could live in neat and orderly society. But I don't want to be caned for chewing gum in public. I'll put up with the occasional sticky wad under the bus seat in exchange for my freedom.

Re:Regular Search Warrant (1)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 3 months ago | (#47077149)

What this comes down to is: In order to live in a society with the sort of freedoms we have beed accustomed to for the past few hundred years, we are going to have to live with 3000 lives more or less lost every decade or so. On the other hand, we could live in neat and orderly society. But I don't want to be caned for chewing gum in public. I'll put up with the occasional sticky wad under the bus seat in exchange for my freedom.

I think I'd go along with you and accept those risks in exchange for our freedoms and Constitutional tradition. Since that death toll is on par with the number of Native American/Alaskan/Eskimo/Inuit women who die in the same timeframe from injuries involving motorized land transportation, it's clearly a number that we can deal with.

Now if anyone says: "well, try telling that to the families of the victims of terrorism" I would have to counter that we don't feel compelled to put on sackcloth and ashes over all the far more numerous but less dramatic deaths that occur all around us all the time. Something like 3000 Americans die every year of peptic ulcers for God's sake. Their families are every bit as griefstricken as if their Mom/Dad/Wife/Husband/Child had been killed by a bombing or hijacking. I guess they had the decency to die one at a time in homes and hospitals so as not to upset everyone else.

We trash important parts of our Constitution and spend untold lives and treasure for 3000 victims of terrorism. If we genuinely cared about people, we'd be outraged by the fact that tens of thousands die each year in the US from inadequate health care. But try to get universal medical coverage and watch the firestorm of outrage. Increase penalties for distracted driving? No way, because freedom to text and drive! But Trash the Bill of Rights, not so much.

Am I suggesting we do nothing about the threat of terrorism? No, I'm saying that the countermeasures should be proportional to the actual risk, not to the headline value.

Re:Regular Search Warrant (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 3 months ago | (#47077905)

Where the evidence of a crime already exists and only needs to be collected. It doesn't help with collecting data in anticipation of future wrongdoing.

Umm, we don't actually WANT the government "collecting data in anticipation of future wrongdoing".

Not now, not ever.

Whatever else happens, we do NOT need a Pre-Crime unit.

Questionable (1)

Kimomaru (2579489) | about 3 months ago | (#47077023)

Would Microsoft have files the petition if this kind of thing wasn't in the spotlight these days? MS' reputation has taken heavy damage in the US and abroad, they hardly have a platform that hasn't been in the news for the wrong reasons; Windows, Skype, Xbox One Kinect. Feels like posturing.

Confusion abounds (1)

kwbauer (1677400) | about 3 months ago | (#47078391)

So the Slashdot is now generally in favor of NSLs and such? We obviously must be if Microsoft is against them.

Or is Microsoft not really against them but secretly complied while putting on a good public show in the court system and all?

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