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Microsoft Announces Windows 8.1 With Bing To Sell Cheaper Devices

Soulskill posted about 2 months ago | from the borrowing-from-amazon's-playbook dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Microsoft today confirmed the rumors of a new edition of its latest operating system by unveiling Windows 8.1 with Bing. The company says the main purpose of the new SKU is to allow its hardware partners to sell lower-cost Windows devices; the first ones with the new edition will be announced next month at Computex in Tapei. Windows 8.1 with Bing is exactly like Windows 8.1 with the recently released Windows 8.1 Update, with one major difference: Bing is set as the default search engine in Internet Explorer. Users can still change that option in IE's search engine settings, but OEMs do not have that luxury."

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124 comments

So.... (3, Insightful)

CTU (1844100) | about 2 months ago | (#47078811)

install the browser of choice and this only means you got a copy of 8.1 that was a bit cheaper without any real difference? Gotcha, besides not like the majority of computer users are still using IE so in truth this would only matter to the small perce=nt of users who both don't download a different browser or know/care to change the default search engine.

Re:So.... (4, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | about 2 months ago | (#47078869)

Or install Linux, now without the Microsoft tax.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47078953)

You can run all windows 8.1 applications on Linux now? Nice! Explain how for the rest of us!

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47078991)

What Windows 8.1 applications are you speaking of here?

I'll name some names (2, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#47079873)

Do iTunes for Windows and Titanfall for Windows work perfectly on Linux yet?

Re:I'll name some names (5, Funny)

kthreadd (1558445) | about 2 months ago | (#47081173)

Do they work perfectly under Windows?

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079035)

Wine and Mono.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079399)

Users ran away because Linux has Mono...

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079435)

Heh, only mono sound...in Windows 8.1 I have a nice surround setup.

YY-CHR failed (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#47079781)

I tried running YY-CHR in Mono, and YY-CHR crashed with a traceback because it couldn't load a file from a path with a hardcoded backslash as a path separator. To replace Windows, it needs to run even poorly coded Windows applications at least as well as Windows does.

Re:So.... (1)

The Grim Reefer (1162755) | about 2 months ago | (#47079053)

so in truth this would only matter to the small perce=nt of users

NT users? How many of those are left?

Re:So.... (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about 2 months ago | (#47079225)

Depends on how you look at it, but last I checked the NT kernel had the absolute largest number of users on home and business desktops compared to any other operating system kernel out there...

Of course, if you add routers, phones and numerous other specialized systems into the mix, then Linux spanks the shit out of it.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079467)

Of course, if you add routers, phones and numerous other specialized systems into the mix, then Linux spanks the shit out of it.

Oh, you mean all those devices that either lockup, reboot on their own, or otherwise don't fucking work right half the time?

Re:So.... (1)

UltraZelda64 (2309504) | about 2 months ago | (#47079535)

Two words: Alternative Firmware.

Beats the hell out of the stock junk that companies put on their hardware.

I think you're somehow blaming hardware companies' incompetence with software on Linux itself, which makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

Re:So.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47080691)

No dumbass, NOT the Windows stuff.

Microsoft is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47078821)

I know

Excellent (3, Funny)

BilI_the_Engineer (3618871) | about 2 months ago | (#47078851)

Google just cannot compare to Bing. I'm a rabid, frothing Binger for one reason: There is nothing that Bing cannot find! Bing found a cure for my uncle's cancer. Bing found the answer to all well-known unsolved math problems. Wherever you go, people prefer Bing over Google.

Don't believe me? Bing it on, you insignificant insect! Luddites such as you are unwelcome in the 21st century! [slashdot.org]

Re:Excellent (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47078885)

>Bing found the answer to all well-known unsolved math problems.

It's true! Bing one solved the P = NP problem for me. It said let N = 1, or P = 0.

Re:Excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079079)

Someone's been drinking a little too much...

Re:Excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47080091)

Ned?

21st Century Search Engine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47080253)

Re:Excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47080385)

Proof positive that it should be called Bong...

Bong...for when you're too stoned to care about search results...

All Bing queries (1)

Grey Geezer (2699315) | about 2 months ago | (#47080555)

are directed to Chuck Norris.

Re:Excellent (1)

mspohr (589790) | about 2 months ago | (#47080693)

Ding! Bing! Fling! String!
We have a winner!

Re:Excellent (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 2 months ago | (#47081747)

Stop making fun of Asian names. That's so Sterling.

Re:Excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47082301)

Bing is better for porn, no argument.

Waiter! (1)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | about 2 months ago | (#47078915)

Waiter! Can I get this without the bing?

Re:Waiter! (5, Funny)

rubycodez (864176) | about 2 months ago | (#47078997)

well, there's bing, IE 11, widows 8.1 and bing, that's not got much bing in it

Re:Waiter! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079093)

Egg and bacon
Egg, sausage and bacon
Egg and Bing
Egg, bacon and Bing
Egg, bacon, sausage and Bing
Bing, bacon, sausage and Bing
Bing, egg, Bing, Bing, bacon and Bing
Bing, Bing, Bing, egg and Bing
Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, Bing, baked beans, Bing, Bing, Bing and Bing
Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce, garnished with truffle pâté, brandy and a fried egg on top, and Bing.

Re:Waiter! (1)

TWX (665546) | about 2 months ago | (#47081271)

I DON'T LIKE bing!

Bing = site for searching for Firefox (3, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#47079813)

Just as Internet Explorer is "program for downloading Firefox", Bing is "web site for searching for Firefox". Use Bing in IE once to find Firefox. Then you can install Firefox without the Bing.

Or s/Firefox/Chrome/g in the above if that's your cup of tea. Personally, I'll have the egg, sausage, and bacon with a Diet Mtn Dew.

Re:Bing = site for searching for Firefox (1)

sl149q (1537343) | about 2 months ago | (#47081799)

Download chrome
Download classic shell
Download cygwin

And you now have a really nice windows system. I prefer it to Windows 7!

Very occasionally I stumble across some weird "tile" like things but one of them is labelled Desktop and that restores things to normal quickly :-)

You know what I want? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 months ago | (#47078973)

I want a "Windows Gaming Edition".

Why is Windows so expensive? I'm trying to build a low-cost gaming PC (Celeron G1840, GT 640, etc) and the cost of the Windows license is greater than the CPU and the motherboard combined!

Re:You know what I want? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079009)

You're just shopping in the wrong place. Some places offer it for $0, and they even give you a genuine advantage over paying customers.

Re:You know what I want? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 months ago | (#47079021)

To elaborate, I don't need things like a text editor, printer/scanner/digital camera/tape backup/etc drivers, minesweeper and who knows what else comes with Windows these days.

Also, why is there no lower-cost upgrade path for Windows XP users? "Got a Windows XP license? Here's Windows 8.1 for 50% off" or something.

Re:You know what I want? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079257)

Also, why is there no lower-cost upgrade path for Windows XP users? "Got a Windows XP license? Here's Windows 8.1 for 50% off" or something.

"Not even if it were free."

If Microsoft really wants to make money, it'll make Windows 7 SP2 available through OEMs, and charge a premium for it. I'd gladly pay $50 to skip having to download the past year's worth of patches on a stock Win7 SP1 install.

Re:You know what I want? (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 months ago | (#47079439)

You don't need to install patches every time you install Windows. You can apply them to the installation files.

Re:You know what I want? (2)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 months ago | (#47079763)

Also, why is there no lower-cost upgrade path for Windows XP users? "Got a Windows XP license? Here's Windows 8.1 for 50% off" or something.

Many Windows XP users are still using it because the alternative is Window 8.

Re:You know what I want? (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | about 2 months ago | (#47082145)

Others, because it still works and they have no reason to waste money on a new machine. I know at least two such people. Me? I have WinXP Pro in a Xen DomU, just in case I need something windowsy. It's always on, and I connect to it using RDP over an SSH tunnel. Sure, I rarely use it, but it's there should I need it and it's a better solution than having a XP VM on each of my Linux machines.

At work I have a Win7 VM in VirtualBox, it is horribly, horribly slow. The XP VM on the same VirtualBox host, is snappy and quick.

XP might be dead, but it's makes a rather well preserved zombie.

Re:You know what I want? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079047)

Well then, buy an Xbox.

Re:You know what I want? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079313)

Based on his handle and choice of Celeron CPU, I am guessing he is more interested in running MAME than modern AAA games.

Re:You know what I want? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47080811)

I was being facetious. I didn't want to risk people thinking I was trolling and post as anything other than AC. But really, if they want MAME and console ROMs Linux is a viable alternative. It isn't for everyone, but it's relatively simple anymore to run legacy games on Linux and it's getting easier to install all the time. Here is a live distro just for that: http://advancemame.sourceforge... [sourceforge.net]

Re:You know what I want? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 months ago | (#47082791)

I guess you're right.

Playstation 4 it is.

Re:You know what I want? (1)

Hadlock (143607) | about 2 months ago | (#47079113)

Have you tried installing Microsoft Hyper-V Server 2012 R2 (which is FREE), and then back in to it? It doesn't come with anything except powershell, task manager and a set of network drivers and features like NIC teaming, Storage Spaces, etc. and of course the Hyper V role installed.
 
As an exercise in futility I managed to get bbLean installed (explorer.exe shell, since the OS doesn't come with one), which allowed me to get Google Chrome and Steam installed, before I ran out of interest trying to get DirectX installed.
 
I think if you installed Cygwin you could get DirectX installed properly, or maybe just follow one of those "Gaming on Windows Server 2012 R2" guides. It's possible, but the artificial divide between server and desktop "class" drivers makes things more difficult.

Re:You know what I want? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 months ago | (#47079171)

I don't know. I'm running KVM on Debian 7 with DRBD replicating all my guests to a backup VM host server. When I looked at Hyper-V, I found out that to replicate my set up would cost me roughly $10,000, and that's before I even buy the actual physical servers.

If I'm going to be using the CLI to manage virtual machines, I stick with libvirt's toolset.

Re:You know what I want? (0)

Hadlock (143607) | about 2 months ago | (#47079449)

He's asking for a free copy of windows to play vidya games on, not the opinion of some KVM spergelord on how it performs it's intended task of running VMs.
 
Currently installing KDE for Windows (apparently that's a thing), then I will see if I can get steam and direct X on here.
 
KDE for Windows installer link for those who are curious - http://download.kde.org/stable/kdewin/installer/kdewin-installer-gui-latest.exe.mirrorlist [kde.org]

Re:You know what I want? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079145)

steam!

Re:You know what I want? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 months ago | (#47082797)

There's no Final Fantasy XIV on Steam.

Re:You know what I want? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079243)

I want a "Windows Gaming Edition".

Why is Windows so expensive? I'm trying to build a low-cost gaming PC (Celeron G1840, GT 640, etc) and the cost of the Windows license is greater than the CPU and the motherboard combined!

That is either some really cheap ass CPU and motherboard, or you are looking in the wrong place. When you build your own PC you can buy OEM windows with it, to a fraction of the price, and the place you buy your PC parts should be offering you this (or you should switch place).

Re:You know what I want? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 2 months ago | (#47082811)

newegg.ca

45.00$CAD for the Intel Celeron G1840 (Haswell 2.8GHz) (its regular price is 55$CAD but it has a 10$CAD instant rebate right now)
55.00$CAD for the MSI H81M-P33 Motherboard (its regular price is 65$CAD but it also has a 10$CAD instant rebate right now)

110.00$CAD for Microsoft Windows 8.1 64-bit - OEM

And I could get something for a lot less using AMD parts while still keeping away from a Sempron.

Bing == FAIL! (4, Interesting)

whoever57 (658626) | about 2 months ago | (#47078989)

I tried the "Bing it On" website when it was being heavily advertised on TV. Guess what: the Bing results failed to load (server problems). Utter failure.

Can you upgrade (3, Informative)

rossdee (243626) | about 2 months ago | (#47079017)

Can you upgrade it (for free) to Win 7 and Seamonkey?

You'd have to pay me a lot to use Win 8.x

Yes. Just put on Classic Shell. (1)

tepples (727027) | about 2 months ago | (#47079835)

Classic Shell gets you 90% of the way to Windows 7, and nothing in the summary says the user can't install a third-party web browser.

Re:Yes. Just put on Classic Shell. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47080047)

Infact the searchengine can be changed by the user too. it is only OEMs that cannot change it.

Re:Yes. Just put on Classic Shell. (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 2 months ago | (#47081295)

Time to reintroduce the "ballot box" option that Microsoft had to do with regards to browser choices (only in Europe)?

Re:Can you upgrade (1)

Wikipedia (928774) | about 2 months ago | (#47081607)

Install classicshell on it. Heck, I install classicshell on windows 7, just because it's more responsive than the native shell.

Customers will decide the Surface Fate (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | about 2 months ago | (#47079105)

Hint: In 2 years I have yet to see a Surface "in the wild" nor has ANYONE asked about a Surface.

Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate (1, Troll)

edremy (36408) | about 2 months ago | (#47079157)

Flip side: our department has bought a bunch and will be buying more in the future. For developing online learning materials, a Surface + Camtasia simply blows away everything else out there- a full PC capable of running all Windows software + every bizarre web thing out there, with a high resolution pen and OneNote. You can even edit the resulting video directly on the machine.

Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079159)

Hint: in 2 years I have yet to see Linux "in the wild" nor has ANYONE asked about Linux.

Which to be honest surprizes me as most of the people I know work in IT at some level, though it just means you can't rely too much on anacdotes.

Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate (1)

0123456 (636235) | about 2 months ago | (#47079793)

Hint: in 2 years I have yet to see Linux "in the wild" nor has ANYONE asked about Linux.

I can see about eight Linux machines from my sofa at home, and most of them aren't PCs of any kind.

Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079215)

I know a guy that bought a Surface RT (knowingly!) when they were on sale after the Surface 2 launch. He did it because he liked my Asus T100, but didn't want to spend quite that much money. I think he got it for around $150 (maybe less). He's quite happy with it.

The T100 is leaps and bounds better than any 1st generation Surface, and I'd stack it favorably against any Surface 2 (even the Pro) as well. It's basically a Surface 2 Pro for $500 less, with a keyboard and Office license included, but no forward-facing camera and a lower screen resolution. I'd even put it up against the Surface 3 based on the price. It destroys every iPad and Android device I've used by a wide margin. (Hint: It's less locked down and proprietary. Yes, Windows. Really. I'm unimpressed by Apple and Google so far.)

Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate (1)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 2 months ago | (#47081305)

Is a Surface a lot like the British half-penny, where the users didn't want to part with them because they were useful for leveling furniture?

Re:Customers will decide the Surface Fate (1)

blackest_k (761565) | about 2 months ago | (#47082049)

Did you know a British 2 pence piece weighs 1/4 of an ounce a penny an 1/8th and the half pence coin a 16th of an ounce?

Wieghing coins is probably still quicker than counting them but those 3 coins were especially useful :)

 

Bing only has one use. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079121)

To find porn.
And it even sucks at that.

But ever since Google started sucking the dicks of obese lazy parents to protect the childruns, even the most innocent of things have been censored.
Fuck them.
They also ruined Google Maps recently too, so off to Bing maps I go, sadly.
Am I hell using that atrocious mess. Google Maps now runs about half as well as it used to, it has so many obtuse interface annoyances, it looks UGLY, it is slower at scaling, so SO many others.
The only thing I hated with Bing Maps was the atrocious flickering bug whenever you scrolled, but when I checked recently, that didn't seem to be there.
So I might just get used to that awful thing. At least I can't see my god damn childhood in Bing Maps. Step your damn game up Google. Your maps are older than your entire company!

Wait a second (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079137)

Isn't this essentially MS admitting that Bing is a search Engine you should have to be compensated for using?

Antitrust (3, Insightful)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 2 months ago | (#47079141)

Sounds like their fishing for another round of EU antitrust proceedings.

Re:Antitrust (3, Informative)

Nethemas the Great (909900) | about 2 months ago | (#47079179)

Err. in case the Nazis show up... "they're".

Re:Antitrust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47083001)

Sounds like their fishing for another round of EU antitrust proceedings.

Err. in case the Nazis show up... "they're".

Nazis showing up at EU proceedings is a valid concern.

Re:Antitrust (1)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about 2 months ago | (#47079239)

I was under the impression that this was part of the way they intended to compete with android. free os for small arm devices with bing as the default search and an app store.

http://thenextweb.com/microsof... [thenextweb.com]

Re:Antitrust (1)

4wdloop (1031398) | about 2 months ago | (#47080533)

The M$ IoT cannot have storage nor local apps as they MUST make you use the $Cloud (for their business model to work)? IoT is for fridge, picture frame, thermostat kind-of stuff...

These here are likely intended for 9" tabletoids of sort, I think, now that Surface Pro is for Pros and Business and no hear about non-Pro versions....so it's more a replacement for Windows RT (an ARM Windows so to speak)?

But how they can still go through with this legally I do not understand...pretty sure they spend lots of $$ on lawyers already so they have legs to stand on....

Re:Antitrust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079461)

Lol, on what grounds specifically? It's a trick question, there are no grounds and you are full of shit.

Re:Antitrust (2)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 2 months ago | (#47080883)

Sounds like their fishing for another round of EU antitrust proceedings.

Would that be before or after Google and it's legion of allies get roasted by the EU antitrust authority for making Google the default search engine on Android devices?

Re:Antitrust (1)

Rob Y. (110975) | about 2 months ago | (#47082953)

Does Google require that they're the default search engine on Android devices? I thought at one point Verizon was selling android devices with Bing as the default search engine. Google Play access has some strings attached, but I think an OEM can still change the launcher, etc. How about the defaults? I think Amazon and Nokia don't get Google Play because they don't want their devices to be able to run Google services - not because they simply refuse to make them the default.

Re:Antitrust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47081749)

no, the limitation is only on the manufacturers not users, and it's an *optional* limitation -- the alternative version 'without bing' is *already available* -- it's the normal win8 skus.

__

what we need is a lower cost retail edition to upgrade all those dead-in-the-water winxp systems still in use...

windows 8, upgrade from xp home $29
windows 8 mce, upgrade from xp mce $49
windows 8 pro, upgrade from xp pro $49

in order to get discounted retail license, accept the limitation that it only installs if winxp is detected during upgrade setup.

well, hell... while we're at it, might as well just make that the standard pricing for windows 8 upgrades (including retail availability of an edition with mce already present) even 'upgrading' vista or 7. the lower price is the only way to con users into replacing their xp or 7 anyway..

Bing so bad it makes Win 8.1 cheaper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079163)

Is Bing so bad that in order to get people to use it, MS has to pay them (by reducing the price of Win 8.1)?
The only time I've used Bing is on my phone, when it was switched to as the default search.
I would search for something and got strange results.

Then I realized, I got Bing'd

Paid to Bing (1)

dhalsim2 (626618) | about 2 months ago | (#47079209)

I know that there will be a lot of negative comments here about Bing, but when Microsoft started paying people to use Bing [bing.com] , I switched. The web results seem to be just as good as Google. I can't tell the difference. The image results seem to be slightly behind, but for the ~$8/month I make, I don't mind at all. :)

Re:Paid to Bing (2)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 months ago | (#47079381)

All I get is "This feature isn't available yet in your country or region"

Re:Paid to Bing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47081591)

My productivity is not cheap. Even a small percentage of my overall productivity is not cheap.

If you're a farmer in China, it might be, in which case, more power to you.

Bing is good for rewards & zeitgeist (2, Informative)

nomad63 (686331) | about 2 months ago | (#47079299)

I religiously visit bing for about 5 minutes daily, to get my points and see which celebrity is diddling which one or who had a fight with whom. Other than that, it might not as well exist. I am still unable to find something that can replace google. Tried duckduckgo but tomorrow, I am going back to google. Results are abysmal at best.

Re:Bing is good for rewards & zeitgeist (1)

hduff (570443) | about 2 months ago | (#47079623)

Perhaps you can write a script that will do that for you and possibly make some random clicks.

Re:Bing is good for rewards & zeitgeist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47082101)

It's good for porn. Dat thumbnail preview.

"To Bing" as a verb works quite well for "to search, as porn, for" too.

Sounds like anti-trust again (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 2 months ago | (#47079367)

Let me guess, this edition is not available in the EU where Microsoft got in trouble for bundling IE with Windows XP.

Re:Sounds like anti-trust again (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079475)

No, they said they'll allow user to change browsers, though it would be nice if they just told the EU to fuck off and didn't sell that edition in the EU.

Re:Sounds like anti-trust again (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 2 months ago | (#47081763)

It's being shown in Taiwan, which maybe has no anti-trust rules over such. Being MS's ho for a year or so can bring in some cash.

BING in headlnes is DEAD (1)

gavron (1300111) | about 2 months ago | (#47079389)

Someone please forward the memo to microsoft. They can stop referencing BING as if it's a thing.
It's a DEAD thing.

[click here to have Bing translate this thing lol]

Re:BING in headlnes is DEAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079465)

What do you mean "dead"? It provides some really nice competition to the stupid Google.

Re:BING in headlnes is DEAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47081023)

You must be one of those dumb ass militant Microshits that put up with shit products and software. Lemme guess, you're a .NOT "developer" because you didn't have the intellect to learn a real language.

Binged ... (1)

hduff (570443) | about 2 months ago | (#47079617)

... in the butt.

It wasn't already?! (2)

mattack2 (1165421) | about 2 months ago | (#47079757)

Bing wasn't their default search engine already?

(I guess even they like google better!!)

So who uses IE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47079941)

If I don't use ie I won't see any change.

Re:So who uses IE? (1)

4wdloop (1031398) | about 2 months ago | (#47080549)

So interestingly, would they allow OEMs to bundle another browser with this?

Microsoft To Sell Cheaper Devices (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | about 2 months ago | (#47080155)

Microsoft To Sell Cheaper Devices. Sounds like HTC Samsung tactics.

Whats changed? (0)

The_Revelation (688580) | about 2 months ago | (#47080547)

I have a Nokia Win 8 phone, and I can't install any alternative browser to IE or change the default search engine. Should I be entitled to a refund?

Re:Whats changed? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47081727)

Maxthon, Incognito and UC browser are all in the store.

Die and (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47080747)

Bing in hell!

Antitrust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47081003)

Am I having flashbacks from the 90's? Why are they doing this Monopoly shit again? They got sued and lost over this.

Can't market their way out of a wet paper bag (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | about 2 months ago | (#47081525)

"Bing, the discount search engine!"

Surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47081585)

When I heard these plans a few months ago, I was expecting much tighter integration than some user-modifiable setting in the browser. I was expecting a themed wallpaper, a guide at the startup, custom search widgets/apps, and possibly the blocking of alternative browsers or all third party apps.

I guess the antitrust judgment advised their process.

A smart move (1)

mimino (1440145) | about 2 months ago | (#47082221)

This is indeed a smart move to seed Bing. In fact, Bing is getting better and better all the time and is a comparable search engine to Google, still catching up but with a solid tech behind. Guess what? The more people use Bing, the more data its algorithms have to operate with in order to make itself better. So seeding the search engine is very important, considering that MS has all set of competing services comparing to Google.

Now what this change actually does? It defines what search engine is used for people who access Internet by typing web site addresses in the Google search bar. Also for those who don't bother switching away from the IE. And for those who will see that Bing is suddenly getting better.

Google should be worried. And I'm sure they are.

Monetizing captive user base (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47083007)

I predicted this from day one - a locked down OEM Windows 8 that drove traffic to Bing and other MS sites to make money off of their captive users. If the backlash to Windows 8's metro interface had not been so great as to threaten MS's future, I was looking for a metro-only desktop for consumers which couldn't even run Win32/Win64 programs, and an "enterprise" version for corporations which could. The consumer version MS wanted would have locked you in to Bing and other MS services. (Have you tried to set up Win8 without an MS online account? Possible but very hard.) So we've been spared the worst of a bad situation by Win8's rejection.

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