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HP Delivers a Big-Name, 7-inch Android Tablet For $100: Comes With Compromises

timothy posted about 5 months ago | from the good-thing-about-races-to-the-bottom. dept.

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Ars Technica reports that HP is back in the $100 tablet market, and this time with a tablet that's intended to be priced there instead of just a fire sale. The new offering lacks Bluetooth and GPS, among other features you might wish for in a tablet, and the screen is surrounded by a hefty bezel, but manages a pretty good list of features. Ars summarizes: "For $100, you can't expect much of the spec sheet. The HP 7 Plus has a 7-inch 1024x600 IPS display, a 1GHz quad-core Cortex A7 processor (made by a company called "Allwinner"), 1GB of RAM, 8GB of storage, 802.11 b/g/n, a microSD slot, and a 2800 mAh battery. The biggest downside HP could have fixed at this price point is the software: it's only running Android 4.2.2. Android versions are free, HP." Having an avaialble microSD slot beats some more expensive options, too.

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No bluetooth? (5, Interesting)

Slick_W1lly (778565) | about 5 months ago | (#47088837)

I'm wondering how much it costs to add bluetooth to a device. I mean... them bluetooth headsets have it in, hell even the dinky little $12 'bluetooth speakers' you can park next to your iThing have it in...

What in the world possessed them to release a device that doesn't have bleutooth?

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088879)

Why would they include it? I've never seen someone use a BlueTooth device with a tablet, and I'm an iPad developer. Dropping something that no one uses is a great way to drop the price. I guess now your kind is going to whine about it not having an RS-232 port or Firewire. Neither of those are not used much any longer, so I don't understand why so many of you people bitch about an iPad not having them. The public just doesn't need serial ports or Firewire on their tablets no matter what you say.

Re:No bluetooth? (2, Informative)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about 5 months ago | (#47088909)

Why would they include it? I've never seen someone use a BlueTooth device with a tablet, and I'm an iPad developer.

I regularly use bluetooth headphones with both my iPhone and my iPad.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Assmasher (456699) | about 5 months ago | (#47088937)

I develop for Android and iOS too and I connect my bluetooth Apple wireless keyboard to tablets all the time.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 5 months ago | (#47088973)

Really. I rarely see any tablet being used (outside of just watching a video or some such) without a keyboard. A bluetooth keyboard.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 5 months ago | (#47089513)

Bluetooth headset and keyboard here too.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Roblimo (357) | about 5 months ago | (#47089899)

I'm a devout bluetooth keyboard user. I have no use for a tablet without bluetooth.

Re:No bluetooth? (3, Insightful)

mspohr (589790) | about 5 months ago | (#47089907)

This is not the tablet you are looking for....
This is not for you.
It's a cheap consumer tablet.

Re:No bluetooth? (2)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about 5 months ago | (#47088913)

Why would they include it?

Agree that almost no one uses it, so no need to include it, but Bluetooth does make for an easy way to move files from one device to another.

Not unlike the IR ports on laptops a decade ago...

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about 5 months ago | (#47088931)

I'm constantly using bluetooth with my iPad, with a good keyboard it's a great mini-pc

Re:No bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089363)

> bluetooth with my iPad

Neither of my Apple BlueTooth keyboards work with my iPad. I tried both the original clear case/white key one and the new aluminium one with my first generation iPad and neither worked. Do the newer iPads actually work with a standard keyboard, or do you have to buy a special proprietary iPad keyboard? I travel a lot (four flights a week, on average), and I have never seen someone use a keyboard with an iPad. I spend a lot of time in airports and Starbucks while on the road so if it worked, I think I would have seen one. I thought the iPad didn't support a keyboard.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about 5 months ago | (#47089591)

I'm surprised to hear that, I've never had any issues with the bluetooth keyboard. More amusing is that you can also plug in a keyboard by using the "camera-kit" USB dongle.

I've used the original iPad and the 3rd generation with the Apple bluetooth keyboard that they sell with Macs, but my recommendation is the Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard Cover. However I've heard the latest one for the iPad Air is not as good as its predecessors.

Re:No bluetooth? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089015)

I have a bluetooth set of speakers that are waterproof and can follow me to the shower. I know... why shower at all? See... just because you don't shower doesn't indicate no one else does!

Re:No bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089207)

I use a BlackBerry PlayBook and BlackBerry Z10 and Q5 connected via a Bluetooth connection to access documents stored on the media card in my smartphone with my tablet and to access the Internet via the smartphone from the tablet when away from WiFi.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089317)

Because you are an iPad developer, that is why. Tablets has one USB. It is more practical to extend them with bluetooth, than a USB hub.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

SJester (1676058) | about 5 months ago | (#47089389)

I use a BT keyboard sometimes and I often use BT headphones or speakers.

Re:No bluetooth? (3, Informative)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 5 months ago | (#47089407)

The same reason they put FM radios in Android phones.
There are cheap WiFi chips with everything in it. Wifi, Bluetooth and FM radio.
It would cost a few cents to add another chip antenna to the board though...
I wouldn't be surprised if the '3 in 1' chips were cheaper anyway though, since they're much more popular.

Patent royalties (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 months ago | (#47089809)

I wouldn't be surprised if the '3 in 1' chips were cheaper anyway though, since they're much more popular.

Perhaps some fuses are blown on some chips to disable the Bluetooth circuitry to save on patent royalties payable to Bluetooth SIG.

Re:Patent royalties (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 5 months ago | (#47090211)

Except it's free to be an Adopter member and use the Bluetooth specification and trademarks.
HP probably already pay for an Associate membership.

http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages... [bluetooth.com]

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089753)

Wow, you have never seen anyone using bluetooth, so it must be pointless! Daily, I use bluetooth to:

- Tether internet to laptop when traveling;
- Bluetooth keyboards;
- Remote speakers;
- Integration with my car;

What a useless app developer you are!

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

sillybilly (668960) | about 5 months ago | (#47089881)

I'd like a tablet with a 7 in screen, and a 25 pin LPT port and 9 pin RS232 port please, running MS DOS 6.22, or, at my choice, Win2k. Oh wait, it's not even an x86 chip, dang..

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

bobstreo (1320787) | about 5 months ago | (#47090187)

Why would they include it? I've never seen someone use a BlueTooth device with a tablet, and I'm an iPad developer. Dropping something that no one uses is a great way to drop the price. I guess now your kind is going to whine about it not having an RS-232 port or Firewire. Neither of those are not used much any longer, so I don't understand why so many of you people bitch about an iPad not having them. The public just doesn't need serial ports or Firewire on their tablets no matter what you say.

Maybe using a ps3 or wiimote controller for MAME?

Re:No bluetooth? (5, Informative)

gl4ss (559668) | about 5 months ago | (#47088935)

it's not clear if it has bluetooth or not, or gps. the article says that the article writer doesn't know if it has those or not.

(they wouldn't add significantly to the cost and if it lacks gps that's a bummer)

however whoever submitted the article doesn't seem to be up to speed about the fact that Allwinner provides the design for a shitload of soc's for all the cheapo devices(they are the biggest provider, but they don't fab them themselves. but since they're the biggest somehow referring to them as a company called "Allwinner" as if it were an unknown is not right).

Asia is full of sub 100$ tablets. can pick one up for under fifty too(iirc I saw a quad core for 200 baht) - and almost all of them Allwinners.

Re:No bluetooth? (1, Troll)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 5 months ago | (#47089205)

Are those rounded corners? Isn't there a patent on that?

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Threni (635302) | about 5 months ago | (#47089253)

> I saw a quad core for 200 baht)
~$10? Really?

Re:No bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089917)

I'd believe that. You can get stolen or knock-offs all over the place in Thailand. Whether it works or not...that's another question. "All you gotta do is charge the battery. This good price. Good for you, good for me."

Re:No bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088995)

Allwinner crap chipset does not have it as a feature. One of the corners that were cut to get the price down.

(another corner cut is terrible performance, fighting up there with 3 year old Android phones)

Re:No bluetooth? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089001)

Who the hell would buy that thing? For just 50 bucks more you could get this [slashdot.org]

Intel dual-core Atom Z2560 @1.6GHz
2GB RAM
7" 1280x800 IPS capacitive touchscreen
16GB storage with microSD expansion slot
Bluetooth 4.0
GPS with A-GPS support
3MP rear camera, VGA front camera

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 5 months ago | (#47089955)

and a 6 hour battery life [laptopmag.com]

When you expect ten, that's a real letdown.

Re:No bluetooth? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47090239)

Six hours is great battery life, for any tablet.

BTW, good job on cherry-picking the single negative review.

Re:No bluetooth? (2)

Larryish (1215510) | about 5 months ago | (#47089199)

This HP tablet is specced identically to my $80 Chinese tablet, with the exception of Bluetooth and GPS. Those features would be worth the extra $20.

May purchase one soon.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089663)

No bluetooth. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

Re:No bluetooth? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 5 months ago | (#47089945)

What in the world possessed them to release a device that doesn't have bleutooth?

Market segmentation. Same as you'll buy a six-core CPU with two of them disabled. HP can't be expected to have only one entry in this market. Heck, the Touchpad I had was quite a nice device, so they have potential.

I tried for a while to get the 'hidden' bluetooth on my Nook Color working a few years back and, while it could turn on and pair with something 6" away from it, the fact of the matter was that there wasn't a good antenna connection because even though the chip had it, it wasn't in the system spec so the rest of the system wasn't designed around it. Ah, another device that was almost working great when the Cyanogenmod devs abandoned it.

Meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088873)

Probably something useful to do with this. Hand it to the kids with all their movies on it? Use it for a car radio display? Competing on the low end is not the way to make money and stem the layoffs.

Re:Meh (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088927)

All their movies with just 8GB of flash memory and no SD card slot? Car radio display without the option to use it for navigation, because it lacks GPS?

Never heard of Allwinner!?! (5, Insightful)

cb88 (1410145) | about 5 months ago | (#47088885)

Allwinner is the king of tablets ... http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1287293

The Cubieboard is also a popular RPi alternative with faster CPU (and sweet sweet SATA :D ) and such for similar price.

In my opinion Allwinner is more credible than HP these days since they actually seem to believe in their own market... whereas HP is practically at the point of execs jumping out of windows (Or the modern equivalent of selling the company out for peanuts).

Re:Never heard of Allwinner!?! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47090201)

Execs don't have to jump out the window when they can lay off thousands of workers and keep collecting their management salaries for a few more years. They won't sell off the company for a while yet.

Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088899)

The problem with these tablets and other computing devices is all of digital restrictions, proprietary drivers, and similar that they are being shipped with. You can't replace the wifi chip even if you wanted to and if HP uses a particular chipset that there is no driver for the latest version of android your shit out of luck. There is no source code. You can't fix the problem yourself or depend on a community to do so for you.

I'm going to call out the companies we should all be boycotting for these types of practices:

HP, Dell, Lenovo/IBM, Toshiba, Apple, and Sony.

These companies are including digital restrictions on the wifi card slot (laptops), locking boot loaders (tablets), and/or using proprietary technology (such as non-standard wifi cards, etc), etc. These practices are preventing people from switching operating systems, upgrading to the latest release of an otherwise supported OS, and much more.

See fsf.org/ryf for a list of products that aren't crippled. The list is small, but growing and you can find a lot more non-crippled devices from ThinkPenguin as well (not all RYF certified, but not crippled in any way either, and completely free software friendly/RYF'able).

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088959)

Anything but freaking Android! Ugh!!

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (5, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 5 months ago | (#47088997)

Really? Aren't you barking up the wrong tree? This isn't a hobbyist machine - its' a bottom barrel consumer device. The customer that HP (and Allwinner) is going for doesn't know a driver from quantum superposition. It's cheaper to just throw stuff together that works at time of shipping and not worry about what happens next week.

Think one step up from disposable.

Yes, in your Richard Stahlman utopia, we would be able to upgrade these pieces of crap until Unix integer overflow but that's not a realistic commercial solution. Not that these things are, but you're acting as crazy as an HP exec and that is NOT a complement.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 5 months ago | (#47089105)

Arguably, the bigger problem with devices like this is going to be that anything that screams "We Don't Care!", is born with an outdated version of Android, and is probably beyond easy 3rd-party remedy (unless HP has relaxed a bit since I picked up a cheap refurb of theirs to play with x86-android on, it'll be locked up fairly tight and without even an ADB or fastboot driver), is that it'll be obsolete fast.

On the PC side, it offends the purists; but you can reasonably expect ages of support and at least security updates by comparison. MS hates it; but their product lifecycle is pretty long, and all but the oddest PC components will have OEM drivers for the current Windows throughout its life, and often the next one (except scanners, those things are just shit, even compared to printers, not certain why.)

This thing? You don't care how cyanogen-friendly it is because you are the second coming of RMS, you care because that's the only thing that will keep it from dying with the same lousy stock build it was born with.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (4, Informative)

jonsmirl (114798) | about 5 months ago | (#47089573)

Maybe do some fact checking first...
http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Pa... [linux-sunxi.org]

All of the Allwinner CPUs will boot from an appropriately formatted SD card and ignore the OS in flash. Don't know what wifi is in there but 75% of Allwinner A31 based tables out of China have Broadcom Wifi in them and the drivers are in the mainline kernel. I believe Kitkat is already available for the A31 and given how standardized these tablets are I don't foresee major problems upgrading.

Allwinner devices are far more hackable than Nvidia based ones. Most features of the Allwinner CPUs are documented except for the usual suspects -- graphics. A31 uses an Imagination PowerVR GPU. And it is not Allwinner that is keeping that GPU secret, it is Imagination.

$85 (with Slickdeals coupon) with free ship is an excellent price for this set of features. Anyway it is already sold out until they can get more from their OEM.

BTW - I do think there is a CPU security feature that can encrypt the boot, but I've never seen an Allwinner device that has turned it on.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089613)

It's so much more than that. It's not a tinkers problem as tinkers can simply buy better hardware. It's a user problem that users unfortunately don't know about and just end up getting stuck later (and still don't fully understand). There are security implications and billions of dollars lost every year. The problem is manufacturers aren't being held liable for the security nightmares they push on unwitting consumers.

Then you have people like yourself. Just plain ignorant and selfish. You don't have to write proprietary code to make a buck. I've done quite well for myself and employees on developing wholly free software.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (2)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 5 months ago | (#47089403)

It is a reasonable warning, and you don't even have to be a tinkerer to be annoyed if the device eventually turns into a paperweight.
It is a computer, and a networked one at that. People don't expect and shouldn't expect it will be so flawed only three years down the road that it should be thrown out.. If there's a critical ssl or tls flaw that stays unpatched forever, it means you can't use it anymore for any service that requires a login (say, checking mail and bank account balance). You can but it would be foolish.

If the news/streaming app or whatever you cared about moves to Android 4.3 or 5.0 as a minimum it's another crappy situation.
At least you can permanently turn off wifi and only use it to read books and offline media, I guess.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (1)

chienandalou (2637845) | about 5 months ago | (#47089425)

Yes.

I like to build and modify gear too, but part of the appeal of a simple android tablet is it takes 10 minutes to set up and then it just works. It's an appliance.

I got other stuff I can futz with.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089595)

All these tablets get stuck at a particular version and then don't even work that well to begin with. Need to login to banking site xyz? Not going to happen. Your browser is stuck on version 2.1. It's not just a tinkers issue either. Its also a security nightmare. All of these manufacturers should be held accountable when breaches occur and users credit card information get misused.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (0)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 5 months ago | (#47089707)

Really? Aren't you barking up the wrong tree? This isn't a hobbyist machine - its' a bottom barrel consumer device.

Those are exactly the ones most important to be Free.

Yes, in your Richard Stahlman utopia, we would be able to upgrade these pieces of crap until Unix integer overflow...

It's not about upgrading, its about the fact that even people buying cheap devices deserve to not have their device spy on them or otherwise not do what they want. It's also about the fact that parents are probably more likely to buy cheap tablets like these instead of iPads for their kids, and the kids would be more likely to learn about computers using an open system instead of a locked-down "consumer device."

Obvious troll is obvious (1)

KNicolson (147698) | about 5 months ago | (#47090205)

It's also about the fact that parents are probably more likely to buy cheap tablets like these instead of iPads for their kids, and the kids would be more likely to learn about computers using an open system instead of a locked-down "consumer device."

Yup, there's nothing more open than an iPad!

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 5 months ago | (#47089665)

bought a lenovo business grade laptop (t420) and found out the hard way that they lock the pci-e slot and you cannot install YOUR wifi card there unless its lenovo PN'd.

of course, I found a hacked bios and that disabled the blacklist ;) I now can run the 802.11ac card of my choice and not have the bios refuse to boot (like before).

HP and lenovo are known for this in their business class lappies. I didn't know that going in, sigh.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (3, Informative)

InvalidError (771317) | about 5 months ago | (#47089853)

Part of the reason for the "blacklist" is because FCC certification is only valid for individual WiFi card + antenna combinations and the list prevents accidental use of non-certified combinations.

Re:Stop crippling the technology; boycott needed (1)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about 5 months ago | (#47089941)

The problem with these tablets and other computing devices is all of digital restrictions, proprietary drivers, and similar that they are being shipped with.

If you honestly believe that's a problem, then you're delusional. If it's a problem for you then you are not the target market. We're talking about a $100 device. If you can use it to stream Netflix and Hulu to any room of your house, or play Clash of Clans and look up recipes from your kitchen, then what you are talking about doesn't matter to 99+% of potential users. And really, why should it matter to them?

Good luck with that (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088917)

After screwing over tens of thousands of hard working employees, who in their right mind would buy anything from HP?

Or are they making these just as a "parting gift" for those laid off? It certainly isn't to sell them at a profit - they're sorely lacking in features, with no clear advantage, in a very crowded market.

NOTE: posting anonymously because someone at Slashdot/Dice let their security certificate expire. Maybe HP is laying off some competent IT people you could hire?

Re:Good luck with that (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089473)

> NOTE: posting anonymously because someone at Slashdot/Dice let their security certificate expire.

What a homo. They HAVE a certificate, it's just a couple days beyond the freshness date, and this twat needs to get all passive-aggressive about it. What a faggot.

Is this really news? Got a $99 tablet at Aldi (3, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | about 5 months ago | (#47088923)

last Christmas.

It's similiarly specced to the HP. Something like this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.u... [huffingtonpost.co.uk]

To be honest, it kinda sucks compared to an iPad but makes for good presents. What makes it suck is android more than the hardware, tbh. Android and software bloat by the manufacturer. HP won't be any different going by past computer purchases.

Re:Is this really news? Got a $99 tablet at Aldi (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089055)

There are some $99 tablets from Lenovo and other companies. The concept isn't bad, but my big problem with them is the resolution. They clock in at only 1024x600. That's okay if you just want any type of tablet, but 1280x720 would be better. And I don't think any of them have HDMI out (or MHL or SlimPort or whatever), so they aren't any good as media players.

Just looking around, I discover that there's something called the HP Slate 7 Plus. That has 1280x780 and it's $130 at Walmart ($150 on HP's website). Still no HDMI support, but it might be a decent comic viewer.

(Arstechnica wants GPS in a tablet? I suppose that's good if you want a substitute GPS device, but I'd still prefer dedicated units for a car.)

Word verification: ponder

Re:Is this really news? Got a $99 tablet at Aldi (2)

Hognoxious (631665) | about 5 months ago | (#47089337)

There are some $99 tablets from Lenovo and other companies.

Some? There's fucking millions. I sometimes think everybody in China has his own brand.

Re:Is this really news? Got a $99 tablet at Aldi (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089435)

Replying to myself: checking more there is also the HP Slate 7 Extreme for $200 ($175 at Best Buy, $170 at Walmart) which does include mini/micro-HDMI out. Of course, there are other tablets in the $200 price range with HDMI out...

You learn something new everyday.

$99 Nextbook tablet at Walmart has HDMI (1)

raymorris (2726007) | about 5 months ago | (#47089817)

My wife and I got some $99 tablets at Wal-Mart that have HDMI out, and SDHC. As I recall, the 8" one is $109 and the 7" one is $99 or $89, something like that. They are an off-brand, Nextbook I think.

She used hers for Netflix and Facebook mostly. I use mine as a media player exclusively. They do okay. The build quality isn't excellent. The HDMI works fine even over a long cable, though.

Re:Is this really news? Got a $99 tablet at Aldi (1)

nabsltd (1313397) | about 5 months ago | (#47090047)

(Arstechnica wants GPS in a tablet?

It's useful when you are sitting at a coffee shop in a strange town and want to be able to find some other business nearby.

Google can pull some tricks with WiFi to help locate you, but it's not universal.

Re:Is this really news? Got a $99 tablet at Aldi (2)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 5 months ago | (#47090287)

> Arstechnica wants GPS in a tablet? I suppose that's good if you want a substitute GPS device, but I'd still prefer dedicated units for a car.

Why not just use your cell phone?

Re:Is this really news? Got a $99 tablet at Aldi (2)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 5 months ago | (#47089233)

thinking the same thing, 100 buck tablets with similar specs are all over the place, and having just bought bottom of the line HP laptops I am not sure that having that logo silk screened on a generic Chinese table means anything

rebranding (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088945)

Sad that so many (or is it all?) of the formerly great US tech firms are now just rebranders of Chinese products.

I remember when HP actually made things. Good, things, too, known for their bulletproof quality.

Now? Not so much.

Re:rebranding (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089383)

A Slashdot user in not the mass market...

Re:rebranding (1)

Roblimo (357) | about 5 months ago | (#47089939)

Maybe not for himself or herself. Bu I got cheapie Nextbook tablets for preteen granddaughters because they didn't have cameras, and almost all the trouble a young girl can get into with a tablet or smarty phone starts with a camera and a boy. I can't do much about boys from 1000 miles away, but I sure can prevent cameras in cellphone and tablets. Give them a shared (household) HP printer & bluetooth keyboards, and their tablets aren't just toys, but homework machines. And for $80 each, loss or breakage (which happens) isn't a huge tragedy.

Re:rebranding (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 5 months ago | (#47089545)

The new HP Way is to spin off the successful business units with a different name.

Hasta la vista 50,000 employees Head Packers HP (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47088999)

HP doing what is good for itself, but not for 50,000 employees.. Good luck selling these tablets to them. And good luck, NOT.

made by a company called "Allwinner" (4, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | about 5 months ago | (#47089061)

Allwinner is the Intel of ARM chip these days, they're a Chinese National ARM chip manufacturer, they produce in volumes that allow them to get the chip in under $7 for the dual core models. The quad core models are pretty competitive as well. They're in pretty much every Hobbyist robotics kit (check out the PC Duino) and are quite reliable, and have been for years... I won't disagree that it's a silly name, but they did win basically the entire (all) of the low end Android market. So it's pretty accurate. Nobody else can compete on price.

Hold on there .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089307)

they're a Chinese National ARM chip manufacturer, they produce in volumes that allow them to get the chip in under $7 for the dual core models.

How do you know this? The financials are not publicly available and I wouldn't trust them even if they were.

Most likely the Chinese government is subsidizing the production to allow for these chips to be sold cheaply. Then after crushing the Western Capitalist manufacturers, they are then free to raise prices if they want. But more than likely, it is to develop a Chinese chip market using stolen or *contractual "technology transfer" of Western technology.

*A contractual obligation that was shoved down some Western company's throat in order to do business in China. See back in the 90s and early 00s, Western companies were sooo anxious to get into China thinking that they would be there first to sell their shit to a billion people. Only the Chinese government had different plans: suck the Western round eyed capitalist pigs, take their technology, start their own firms, and run the pigs out.

Do not do business with China, they will fuck you sideways.

Re:Hold on there .... (4, Informative)

Hadlock (143607) | about 5 months ago | (#47089345)

That's a long post by an AC, for sure.
 
It is a UK company that licensed the Chinese to manufacture unlimited copies. This is how all ARM chips are manufactured, under license. ARM Holdings does not have any manufacturing capacity outside of basic R&D.
 
The chips are so cheap because they're produced en masse, there's nothing shady going on here, besides the fact that the country put up the capital to kick start the project. Which isn't illegal anywhere. Mexico's petroleum industry was nationalized in the 1970's and it's worked out quite well.

Re:made by a company called "Allwinner" (1, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 5 months ago | (#47089489)

Allwinner is the Intel of ARM chip these days

The difference is that Intel makes the fastest and often (though as we all know, not always) most reliable chips around, and Allwinner... doesn't.

Re:made by a company called "Allwinner" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089679)

You lost me at "Chinese".

Error Message (1)

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Apparently someone at DICE forgot to put a check in the mail
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Re:Error Message (1)

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Slashdot's "admins" are a lot like their "editors"...

Re:Error Message (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 5 months ago | (#47089221)

I've been seeing this all of a sudden, and was wondering - did our office IT have a fallout w/ Slashdot? Would be strange, since we are a Dice customer

Re:Error Message (2)

rsmith-mac (639075) | about 5 months ago | (#47089517)

They're aware (one of the editors replied on Friday). However it's a long weekend in the US, so don't expect anyone to be around to replace it until Tuesday.

Android Tablets and Privacy (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 5 months ago | (#47089137)

I have a huge problem with the fact that Android Tablets and by extension Chrome Books, require the use of Google Services. I have a Domain controller, and VPNs. I have Internal, CalDAV supported Calendaring, Tasks, and Contact distribution list systems. I have Samba File servers, and WebDav Shares with my data. But My data needs to stay My Data. Not Google's Data. When I buy an Android Tablet, I should NOT have to register for a GMAIL account. I don't want a GMail account. I want to log in to my Domain, and have the Android Calendar sync to my Calendars, and Contacts, not Google's. I cannot trust Google to not sync my CalDav based srevices with Google leaking everything on my internal servers to Google. Making an Android Tablet a security threat, and an iPad tablet, an even worse Security threat

Re:Android Tablets and Privacy (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about 5 months ago | (#47089229)

Fine, just get a surface. Or buy this one, and try replacing Android w/ Replicant

Re:Android Tablets and Privacy (2)

symbolset (646467) | about 5 months ago | (#47089593)

You don't need a gmail account to use an Android tablet. They work fine without it. Of course if you want Google Play, Gmail or other Google services then you would need an account.

Google Play Store no longer requires Gmail (2)

tepples (727027) | about 5 months ago | (#47089889)

In the Android 2 era, you needed a Gmail account to use Android Market. A Google account can be tied to any e-mail address, but using a non-Gmail Google account would result in a message "chester@example.com does not use Gmail" followed by a Gmail sign-up form. But as of Android 4, any Google account works with Google Play Store.

Re:Android Tablets and Privacy (2)

Pop69 (700500) | about 5 months ago | (#47089891)

All our company smartphones are Motorola Moto Gs running latest Android.

Not one single phone has a Google account, they all connect to the company exchange server via activesync for email, calendar and contacts

I respect HP, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089197)

Today, a computing device is more than just the hardware. Any person who watched the growth of the iPhone w/"Developers, Developers, Developers" knows exactly what that means. Major electronics firms have had well over a half decade to recognize the change Apple introduced and immediately start their own hardware/software ecosystem.

Not one major company I've heard of has done what Apple has done with tablet, connections to phones & desktop, cloud synching, significant quality App development, good-great security, privacy and reasonable consistency for prior generation products.

I'm still waiting for someone to take Unix or Linux and do what Apple has done. I've not heard anyone commit to that same sort of effort. Manufacturers today either control their product ecosystem top to bottom, or they keep fighting the Asian copycats it seems to me.

I'm strongly suggesting that the big "computer" type companies have simply blown it by waiting so many years to try to jump in ... seriously.

I disagree about the biggest downside... (2)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | about 5 months ago | (#47089227)

Android 4.anything will do just fine. What makes this almost a joke device is the screen resolution of NotEnough x NotEnough. Seriously... 1024x768 was a reasonable desktop resolution fifteen to twenty years ago. 600 vertical pixels in 2014 is an unforgivable sin unless you're putting them on a watch or a contact lens or the head of a pin or something else uselessly small to start with.

Re:I disagree about the biggest downside... (1)

fermion (181285) | about 5 months ago | (#47089791)

Android is still in it's infancy. I suspect the old version might be used because new version might require more horsepower, Android is not yet at the point where newer versions are irrelevant, especially since there is no way of knowing if the tablet can be upgraded to a more stable more secure version.

Windows support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089239)

Can I install Windows 8.1 on this and get rid of the Google stuff?

Windows RT 8.1 is OEM only (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 months ago | (#47089905)

No. This device uses an ARM CPU made by Allwinner. Windows for ARM is called Windows RT, and Windows RT is available only as a preinstall.

Nook Tablet (2)

dwillmore (673044) | about 5 months ago | (#47089295)

I have two tablets just like this. 1024x600 IPS screen. Large bezel. uSD slot. No BT. No Cameras. No GPS. But, they have a well supported SoC (they are fully supported by CyanogenMod), twice the internal memory, and cost me just $89 (each) two years ago.

Heck, for $109, you can get the Nook HD which has a vastly better processor, screen, and has BT. Why not step up to the Nook HD+ for $129? It's got an amazing screen.

Who would buy this thing?

Re:Nook Tablet (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 5 months ago | (#47089735)

The Nook HD+ is $179.

Re:Nook Tablet (2)

damnbunni (1215350) | about 5 months ago | (#47089887)

I've seen it for $129 also. $179 is the retail price, but it sees to go on sale an awful lot.

Re:Nook Tablet (1)

dwillmore (673044) | about 5 months ago | (#47090053)

Correct. This isn't the 'new' price, it's a refurb that Fry's is selling. But, a 30 day warranty is better than anything HP can offer.

Android versions aren't 'free' (1)

Jmc23 (2353706) | about 5 months ago | (#47089351)

They come tied to hardware requirements.

Typical HP product (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089393)

Once again, HP comprromises themselves right of the features people want in favor of the features no one cares about. No GPS for mapping, no bluetooth for headsets, and the wrong OS for tablets.

Fortunately, this way, they can lose money on every sale but make it up in volume! That trick always works!

Re:Typical HP product (2)

tepples (727027) | about 5 months ago | (#47089909)

If Android is "the wrong OS for tablets", then what's the right OS for tablets made by companies other than Apple?

Too expensive (4, Informative)

paugq (443696) | about 5 months ago | (#47089559)

Why would I buy a weak HP tablet for $100 when I can have a better tablet for $90?

http://www.pandawill.com/cube-... [pandawill.com]

Cube (well-known Chinese manufacturer) tablet with same features as HP plus: built-in BlueTooth, GPS and 3G. Only $90, shipping included.

Android is free??? Only to the ignorant ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089643)

Android is NOT free. Thousands of man hours have to be spent tailoring, testing, adjusting and fixing the OS just to have it run in the target hardware. And that is ignoring the fact that Google has ZERO quality control process and the code is mostly spaghetti.

Anybody who thinks that Android is free is a total ignorant idiot.

Re:Android is free??? Only to the ignorant ... (1)

tepples (727027) | about 5 months ago | (#47090019)

Google has ZERO quality control process

What is the Android Compatibility Test Suite [android.com] if not a "quality control process"?

Makes a nice Chromecast remote (1)

symbolset (646467) | about 5 months ago | (#47089681)

Sure, this is not going to replace anybody's iPad. That is not the point.

firesale coming! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47089755)

I got an HP TouchPad at fire-sale price of $100 (original MSRP ~$500).

This new HP pad should be available for about $20 after a short while.

I'm old enough... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47090109)

...to remember when HP stood for quality hardware.

Nowadays it's pretty much all cheap crap.

Such a shame.

This is not the tablet you're looking for (1)

jhylkema (545853) | about 5 months ago | (#47090249)

That's a dealbreaker right there. How are you going to connect a wireless keyboard to it?

Re:This is not the tablet you're looking for (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about 5 months ago | (#47090291)

Can't you just use the onscreen keyboard?

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