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Chelsea Clinton At NCWIT: More PE, Less Zuckerberg

Unknown Lamer posted about 6 months ago | from the pizza-and-mountain-dew-considered-harmful dept.

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theodp (442580) writes "Among the speakers at last week's National Center for Women & Information Technology (NCWIT) Summit was Chelsea Clinton, who spoke fondly of the Commodore she received as a kid on Christmas Day in 1987. During the Q&A, Clinton was asked (Vimeo), 'What do you see as some of the right policies that could help put Computer Science — which is undeniably the most important 21st Century skill — into our classrooms?' To which the former First Daughter responded, 'I won't quibble with the fact that I think it's very important. I also think other things admittedly are important.' Such as? Aligning Computer Science with Common Core, for one thing ('Ensure that Computer Science is part of the definition of science'). Using state budget surpluses to hire additional physical education teachers for elementary and middle school students, for another ('For Computer Science, as any subject, kids that are well-fed with healthy food and who have been activated in their bodies will able to learn and retain information in any subject better than if they're not'). And, last but not least, 'continuing to tell stories of people that are not...people who don't look like Mark Zuckerberg as successful in Computer Science and technology.' NCWIT, by the way, was listed as a "major partner" on last December's Hour of Code, which arguably made Mark Zuckerberg the face of Computer Science for K-12 students in the nationwide campaign embraced by President Obama during CSEdWeek."

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Wait... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096519)

Why do we care what she thinks?

Re:Wait... (0)

umdesch4 (3036737) | about 6 months ago | (#47096525)

I suspect it might be because her mom might end up becoming a presidential candidate soon...or am I wrong about that. I confess to being a non-American only somewhat up-to-date on the current state of US politics.

Re:Wait... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097209)

Actually you're in all likelihood more cognizant of U.S. politics than most U.S. citizens. We're currently steeped in a very, very divisive society with a small extremist conservative sector, an even smaller liberal one, and a massive apathetic, generally-misinformed middle. Give us a few decades to sort our shit out, we'll either crumble under our own doing or bounce back into something more relevant again.

Re:Wait... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096577)

"Clinton rattled off a series of discouraging numbers that relate to tech education. The share of female computer-science grads has declined during the last decade, from 21 percent in 2001 to as low as 16 percent, a trend she finds “deeply challenging.”"

Well female graduates from veterinary science programmes have been steadily rising to the point women now outnumber men in the practice of veterinary medicine. I dare say veterinary science is more difficult and demanding than any computer science curriculum. Who's smarter - women choosing a career in veterinary science or women not choosing a career in computer science? I'd say they're both smarter than most men pursuing a career in computer science which in most workplaces means some IT role where a science background is all but useless.

CS is not IT (-1, Flamebait)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 6 months ago | (#47096655)

and IT needs unions to stop the h1b

Re:CS is not IT (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#47096727)

As best I can tell, the closest things to 'IT unions' are employer cartels (like the one that settled as fast as possible relatively recently, lest the discovery get really interesting). Despite any empirical evidence to the contrary, the employees have substantially bought the line that they are just too special and above average to be dragged down by obstructionist union thugs who worship only seniority.

Re:Wait... (0)

jcr (53032) | about 6 months ago | (#47096607)

I don't.

-jcr

Re:Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096989)

I don't.

Yet you posted anyway. You literally could care less!

Re:Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096669)

Why do we care what she thinks?

Because she hopefully will be running for president after her mom serves an 8yr term. Vote Clinton 2016, 2020, 2024, and 2028!!!

She's incredibly wealthy (1)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 6 months ago | (#47096733)

or will be. She's a member of the American Ruling Class. The working class is hoping she's turn on her own and help us out....

Back at you. (0, Troll)

westlake (615356) | about 6 months ago | (#47096939)

Why do we care what she thinks?

Why should we care what an anonymous coward thinks?

Chelsea received an undergraduate degree at Stanford University and later earned master's degrees from Oxford University and Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health and a DPhil in International Relations from the University of Oxford in May 2014.

Chelsea Clinton [wikipedia.org]

These are not trivial achievements.

Nor perhaps the pursuits one might expect from a financially secure young woman married, pregnant and living in a $10.5 million dollar condo in Manhattan.

The Clinton family is widely respected and feared politically. It is easy to visualize her mother winning the Democratic nomination, perhaps even taking the White House herself.

Re:Back at you. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097127)

I'm sorry, a master's degree in what? History? Who gives a shit.

Re:Wait... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097105)

Anyone who's anti-Facebook should be heard.

Re:Wait... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097113)

We don't. She's just a mouthpiece who happens to have famous parents.

Re:Wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097161)

Why do we care what you think? You're an even bigger nobody than she is.

Role Models (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096527)

Why, Chelsea herself demonstrates that there are options for people who don't look like Mark Zuckerberg. All you need to do is be born into the right family and you too can be Vice Chair of a foundation you basically can't be fired from.

Re:Role Models (1, Insightful)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 6 months ago | (#47096721)

She seems to me to be an intelligent young woman who is, yes, born and raised in a background most people don't get to experience. This doesn't necessarily mean that she isn't and won't a force for good in her lifetime. You post is based on assumptions you hold about her, you really don't know the woman, or her true ideals. How about we have a wait and see approach before condemning the young lady, hmm...

Re:Role Models (5, Insightful)

youngone (975102) | about 6 months ago | (#47096911)

Of course it means that she won't be a force for good. She'll be exactly what every member of the American ruling class is: a force for whatever is good for the American ruling class.

Re:Role Models (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096987)

Young woman? More like at the threshold of middle age. Time really flies, doesn't it?

Re:Role Models (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097023)

Basically the ultimate example of how the notion of male white privilege is false, all privilege is based on money and connections - true regardless of race or gender.

Re:Role Models (0)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#47097171)

Sorry, our notion of rich bitches is kinda twisted, we've had too much exposure to rich chicks with nothing between their ears. We kinda expect that now.

Re:Role Models (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096961)

Considering she is the most successful woman of our generation, how can you say such a thing? I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Nobel Peace Prize in her future.

Did She (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096535)

Meet Monica? If so what did she think of her? Anyone know these answers?

Good grief. That's all.... (-1, Flamebait)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 6 months ago | (#47096539)

oOOOOoooo! Chelsea Clinton! Sexy!

Re:Good grief. That's all.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096565)

And I'll tell you all the guys that can't get laid in LA will be watching this thread!

Re:Good grief. That's all.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096667)

oOOOOoooo! Chelsea Clinton! Sexy!

Tacky and lame when Rush did it 20 years ago. Now just desperate and pathetic..

Re:Good grief. That's all.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096687)

oOOOOoooo! Chelsea Clinton! Sexy!

It looks like she put on some weight.

Re:Good grief. That's all.... (1)

antdude (79039) | about 6 months ago | (#47096819)

Because she's pregnant. :P

Re:Good grief. That's all.... (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#47097177)

Dude, she ain't pregnant with an elephant...

Fuck Common Core. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096555)

That crap needs to die a horrible death QUICKLY.

What's the point of getting CS in the classroom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096569)

When in the end Republican or Democrat they're just going to listen to Google, Facebook, Apple, MS, ETC and just flood the market with H1B's.

Re:What's the point of getting CS in the classroom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096601)

Smoke and mirrors.

Re:What's the point of getting CS in the classroom (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096645)

need the PE to be able live in the prison as under the GOP that will be your primary care doctor

How is she relevant (5, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 6 months ago | (#47096581)

She's just a political Kardashian, why do people pay any attention to her?

Re:How is she relevant (3, Insightful)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 6 months ago | (#47096611)

Because Americans love dynasties. Duh!

Re:How is she relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096689)

Yeah, glad that's an American thing.

It could probably cause problems if it ever happened elsewhere...

Duh indeed.

Re:How is she relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096695)

Who are you to speak for "Americans"? That's just you trying to use others as cover for being a moron.

Re:How is she relevant (5, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#47096769)

Because Americans love dynasties. Duh!

It's weird. You go and found a country that forbids noble titles and state religions and you get the US. You head across the pond to the UK, and you've got a monarchy less influential than some congressional committee positions and a state religion that can't even get people out of bed and into church one day a week(and the remaining subscribers are greying out pretty dangerously).

Not sure how that happened.

Re:How is she relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096817)

Because Americans love dynasties. Duh!

It's weird. You go and found a country that forbids noble titles and state religions and you get the US. You head across the pond to the UK, and you've got a monarchy less influential than some congressional committee positions and a state religion that can't even get people out of bed and into church one day a week(and the remaining subscribers are greying out pretty dangerously).

Not sure how that happened.

Lets not forget who the elites of the nation were pre - A.Jackson. Andrew Jackson was the first american president elected by the masses of pioneers heading westwards. Political dynasties took a seat back while the US was being formed (excuse me while the US was committing an act of genocide versus the indians). Once the pioneers reached the west coast and the unity of the nation was made things went downhill pretty fast. And things went back to how they were in the pre A. Jackson days. Ironic isn't it ?

Re:How is she relevant (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#47097185)

Reverse psychology. You don't HAVE to, so you WANT to.

We should maybe outlaw elections and/or caring for political decisions.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

jcr (53032) | about 6 months ago | (#47096613)

That's a very good way to put it. Her only claim to notoriety is that she's the offspring of a pair of depraved power-seekers.

-jcr

Re:How is she relevant (1)

mozumder (178398) | about 6 months ago | (#47096631)

How is power-seeking depraved?

Do you expect everyone to have NO power?

Re:How is she relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096743)

You fail at reading comprehension.

If he had written "a pair of gorgeous power-seekers" would you be asking "How is power-seeking gorgeous?"

I think he's just being a trite shit. But you aren't helping by going off half-cocked.

Re:How is she relevant (3, Informative)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#47096807)

He didn't say that 'power-seeking' was depraved, he said that two specific people were both depraved and power-seekers. Slight difference.

Though, since you ask, exercising power over others is something of a necessary evil, so while I don't rule out the possibility of perfectly decent people who also hold positions of authority, I do tend to default to skepticism about the character of anybody who appears too fond of it (and if they treat it as theirs by right? Very. Bad. Sign.)

Seeking to perfect power over the ever-troublesome natural world and self are, certainly, noble endeavors; but with power of the political flavor, the only honor is in exercising it as sparingly and judiciously as you can.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

jcr (53032) | about 6 months ago | (#47096881)

with power of the political flavor, the only honor is in exercising it as sparingly and judiciously as you can. ...which is why I despise the Clintons.

-jcr

Re:How is she relevant (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#47096895)

Inconveniently, it would be hard to argue that we've made an improvement with any of our succeeding choices, especially if you like your exercises of power to be sparing and judicious.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

jcr (53032) | about 6 months ago | (#47097157)

I shudder to think what they would have gotten away with if 9/11 had happened on their watch.

-jcr

Re:How is she relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096955)

unless you also despise the bushes you have absolutely no credibility

Re:How is she relevant (1)

jcr (53032) | about 6 months ago | (#47097155)

The Clintons are the subject at hand. Why would you assume that they're the only depraved power-grubbing autocrats I would despise?

Try to break out of your team mentality.

-jcr

Re:How is she relevant (3, Insightful)

ClickOnThis (137803) | about 6 months ago | (#47096627)

She's just a political Kardashian, why do people pay any attention to her?

Well, her dad was POTUS, and her mom just might be the same in the near future. That, and she's intelligent and well-spoken (PhD in International Studies.)

I don't think the Kardashian sisters can match the above.

Re:How is she relevant (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096773)

> I don't think the Kardashian sisters can match the above.

I think they can. Everybody likes to laugh at them, but they are damn succesful and they work hard for it. Maybe it isn't the same kind of intelligence that would be necessary for a PhD, but that doesn't mean they aren't brilliant too. I'm sure the kardashians have earned more money than she has.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

SeaFox (739806) | about 6 months ago | (#47096829)

I'm sure the kardashians have earned more money than she has.

Lots of stupid people are rich. It's mostly about finding someone even less intelligent to give them money (using marketing to sell products), or convincing someone above them professionally they are worth more than they are.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

Beck_Neard (3612467) | about 6 months ago | (#47096933)

...and other times it's simply just having a nice ass and having the good fortune of being thrust into the spotlight.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#47097203)

I don't really believe in "good fortune". Usually (actually, nearly all of the time) it's someone who knows how to milk idiots notices that there's money to be made with you and rips you off to use you for it.

Re:How is she relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096993)

They have the kind of intelligence that knows when to make a sex tape, what celebrities to date/marry to help keep their names in the press, and how to parcel out their inane activities to keep people watching their reality shows without having to overdo it on big life events -- e.g., marrying and divorcing too often will start to make the public/audience wane. In other words, they have tremendous intelligence in an assortment of media manipulation. Past that, all indications are that they're talentless idiots.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 6 months ago | (#47097193)

Being famous in the US is a bit like surviving being hunted by a lion. You needn't be the fastest of the pack to be successful.

You just need to be better than someone else who will pay for you.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

mozumder (178398) | about 6 months ago | (#47096657)

Sorry to burst your bubble, but people expect things that are completely unfair, such as how pretty you are, or your family lineage, to be rewarded.

Your work you do in life isn't the only thing that should be rewarded.

Be glad that this intrinsic unfairness exists in life.. it causes you to work harder. The worst thing you can do is to make everyone equal.

The fact that princesses and Kardashians exist is EXACTLY what gives life its meaning. Your work you do in life is nothing without them.

Re:How is she relevant (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096709)

Because she is right. PE and healthy foods help to balance out the unhealthy sedentary lifestyle of a coder.

And Zuckerburg sucks. I don't see how Facebook is worth 1/100th of what it is.

But, as for how to teach CS, the whole system needs to be looked at. It works a lot better to focus only on one subject for 2 months instead of bouncing between classes first of all. Then you need to have interesting projects and challenges to solve. They need to be real world applicable. And then you need to have classes to teach the basics and some advanced techniques. And at the end, you go into how they can use computer software that they created in their other classes and in the real world.

Re:How is she relevant (3, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 6 months ago | (#47096857)

Well, I think she said the right thing. Too many of the politcal Kardashians keep saying things like "we need more knowledge workers". In other words, they want more workers, not more people who are genuinely interested in computers or technology or even science. More workers means more economic strength, which is good for the country but not necessarily the best for the actual people involved if they would be happier elsewhere. We're already glutted with computer workers who have little aptitude for it all. It's best to focus on the basics first instead of worrying about the electives.

Re:How is she relevant (1)

JWW (79176) | about 6 months ago | (#47096929)

The only problem I have with what she said is that it basically boiled down to, "we need to improve Computer Science education by educating kids in a whole bunch of other basically un-related things."

Shove your "undeniably" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096609)

'What do you see as some of the right policies that could help put Computer Science — which is undeniably the most important 21st Century skill — into our classrooms?'

"Undeniably", technology buffoon? Scavenging for food and repairing shelters and small machines are much more likely to be the most needed skill in the not too distant future.

collgle does not need PE class at full price (1)

Joe_Dragon (2206452) | about 6 months ago | (#47096625)

maybe in K-12 but at collgle if they want to to take PE it better be free not at the a price that is way over the cost of a 2 year plan at a good GYM just for the price of one class before fees..

Re:collgle does not need PE class at full price (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096647)

maybe in K-12 but at collgle if they want to to take PE it better be free not at the a price that is way over the cost of a 2 year plan at a good GYM just for the price of one class before fees..

Plugged this into Google translate without success. Can anyone help?

Re:collgle does not need PE class at full price (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#47096833)

While many colleges offer (arguably unecessarily) cushy gym facilities, they also tend to price anything they can describe as a PE 'class' more or less the same as anything else with credit-hours attached, though obviously only some majors accept many or any such credit hours for anything being fulfilling distribution requirements, at schools where those exist.

Now, I'm actually not sure if gym/coach staff are lower-paid than adjunct professors anymore; but you can pay some pretty silly prices on campus if you want some fairly minimal coaching or oversight, rather than just making things up in the gym; but that gets classed as a class. The base charges for whatever facilities are there, though, tend to either be low or Mandatory, so if self-directed is your thing, it's less of an issue.

Re:collgle does not need PE class at full price (1)

youngone (975102) | about 6 months ago | (#47096947)

it's written in College Student I think. Hard to translate, even for native Speakers.

fondly remembering bullshit (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096633)

she was 7 in '87, she would of been playing with dolls and kindergarten

fondly remembering bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096671)

I played with a Commodore too when I was that age. I'm sure 95% of us here played with computers at that age. And today my 5 year old plays with a computer way more powerful than a Commodore 64.

Re:fondly remembering bullshit (1)

westlake (615356) | about 6 months ago | (#47097055)

she was 7 in '87, she would of been playing with dolls and kindergarten

You do know Chelsea holds two masters degrees and a newly minted doctorate from Oxford?

She attended Forest Park Elementary School, Booker Arts and Science Magnet Elementary School and Horace Mann Junior High School, which are public schools in Little Rock. She skipped the third grade.

At age four, Clinton had begun taking dance classes in Arkansas, and she continued her dance training at the Washington School of Ballet for several years.

Chelsea Clinton [wikipedia.org]

How many code monkies do we really need? (1)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 6 months ago | (#47096715)

Here's a hint: The most important 21st century skill is going to be heathcare. You're not going to have your job outsourced to India or worry about the company you work for going under because no one notices their crappy mobile application amongst the thousands of others in the market. The IT industry is brutal.

Sure, provide opportunities for kids who have the aptitude, drive and desire to go into IT, but don't cram it down the throats of those who have no interest in it. There's already enough people trained in IT that open source projects have no problem being maintained by people who are willing to work for free. It's a bit irresponsible to steer kids toward a field that is already over saturated with workers.

uhh... (3, Insightful)

buddyglass (925859) | about 6 months ago | (#47096719)

...which is undeniably the most important 21st Century skill...

Computer science is not a skill. Even if it were, however, I'd regard its status as undeniably the most important 21st Century skill to in fact be fairly deniable.

Re:uhh... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#47096919)

I'm putting 'the ability to read' as a strong candidate for most important 21st century skill. Anyone have another more important skill?

Re:uhh... (5, Interesting)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#47096969)

OK, after watching the movie, it was the interviewer who claimed that CS is the most important 21st century skill. Chelsea looked at the interviewer as though it was the stupidest thing she had ever heard, and then said, "uh.....it is very important, but there are other things that are also very important."

Re:uhh... (1)

buddyglass (925859) | about 6 months ago | (#47097053)

Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest Clinton said the bit I quoted.

Re:uhh... (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#47097163)

Yeap, I didn't mean to imply that you suggested it lol

I Don't see CS as being that important (1, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | about 6 months ago | (#47096765)

if you ignore the Math then "Computer Science" is writing if-elses and for loops. As near as I can tell this is just a bunch of rich people tired of paying programmers 6 figures. Points to Ms Clinton for asking that money be put to fundamental development and the general betterment. The cynic in me wonders if she means it (who watch half his career go overseas and the other half eroded by cheap 'n easy work visas) hopes she means it...

General Betterment (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#47096783)

Points to Ms Clinton for asking that money be put to fundamental development and the general betterment.

How sad that more people do not realize computers have brought "General Betterment" to more people than most inventions in history.

Re:General Betterment (2)

Rob the Bold (788862) | about 6 months ago | (#47096865)

Points to Ms Clinton for asking that money be put to fundamental development and the general betterment.

How sad that more people do not realize computers have brought "General Betterment" to more people than most inventions in history.

Sanitation? Fresh water? Roads? Irrigation? Medicine? Education?

Re:General Betterment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096897)

Are those inventions of the 21st century? If you mean inventions ever in history of mankind you're probably right, but the context of the statement did mention 21st century...

Re:General Betterment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096943)

Failure to read much? The statement did not mention the 21st century, but it did mention "most inventions in history". That allows the inclusion of all of Rob the Bold's inventions.

Re:General Betterment (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#47096945)

Is computer science an invention of the 21st century? No doubt the most important invention of the 21st century is the cloud. Followed closely behind by Web 2.0.

Actually it's hard to think of an important invention of the 21st century, but there's some interesting potential with some discoveries in biotech.

Re:General Betterment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097003)

Is computer science an invention of the 21st century? No doubt the most important invention of the 21st century is the cloud. Followed closely behind by Web 2.0.

Bzzt! Wrong. The "cloud" is just a marketing term for "someone else's server." That's not an invention. In fact, that was the norm 50 years ago. Why is it that so many people have exactly zero historical perspective?

Posting Anon to save my mods on this thread.

Re:General Betterment (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#47097169)

Bzzt! Wrong. The "cloud" is just a marketing term for "someone else's server." That's not an invention. In fact, that was the norm 50 years ago. Why is it that so many people have exactly zero historical perspective?

Please tell me, how do you feel about Web 2.0? Or do you think you might have missed some sarcasm?

Re:General Betterment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096927)

Yeah, but besides that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

All are bettered by computers (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 6 months ago | (#47097037)

Computers mean efficient communications and stored knowledge. ALL of the things you mention have been made better through information stored and shared via computers.

Computer Science is thing thing that amplifies everything else, making it more accessible to everyone and not just first world countries.

Re:I Don't see CS as being that important (5, Insightful)

cluening (6626) | about 6 months ago | (#47097181)

Computer science _is_ the math. If you ignore the math, you're ignoring the entire field.

What? Where are the cries of racism? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096793)

Wow, nobody complaining how she's being racist against succesful white men? That Zuckerberg is a self-made man who earned every penny? That he really did hit a home run instead of being born on third? What has the internetz come to?

Re:What? Where are the cries of racism? (0)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#47096957)

That Zuckerberg is a self-made man who earned every penny? That he really did hit a home run instead of being born on third?

Do you really consider Zuckerberg a self-made man who earned every penny? Do you realize he stole someone else's idea and cheated all the way? Also, he went to a prep school, which isn't exactly working your way up.......

Excessive focus on women (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096907)

I respect Chelsea Clinton a lot, among other accomplishments she was an excellent model of self control, poise and intelligence when she helped her mother campaign for president.

That said it's clear that women far out number men in college especially in graduate school. At some colleges the ratio of women to men is so high that it's a problem for the school. Decades of focus on female opportunity and empowerment at the cost of ignoring young males is now becoming a crisis (crime, unemployment, lack of suitable fathers...). I'm all for women's opportunity and empowerment but there needs to be some balance, far more than there currently is. I wished the plight of young males had been mentioned.

Just my $0.02

She's great! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47096921)

But Common Core is shit, and it's robbing children, notably poor minority children, of their education.

What works? Letting teachers teach and putting the administrators on a tight leash.
What doesn't work? Micromanaging all teachers, telling them how to do their job, and letting administrators run the show.

Let's stick with what works. We don't need iPads in every classroom, we don't need to teach every kid C++, and we don't need bizarre curriculum revamps or biased and unproven testing methods like Smarter Balance.

"Undeniably" (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 6 months ago | (#47096967)

Most people who need to use computers don't need to know how they work inside or how to program them. There is no "undeniable" need to boost CS anymore than there is a need to teach the masses about the details of running a farm.

Commodore 64 (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about 6 months ago | (#47096981)

Here's a link to where she talks about the Commodore 64 [vimeo.com] , check at 1:45. She also mentioned that she liked Carmen Sandiego.

Re:Commodore 64 (1)

twistedcubic (577194) | about 6 months ago | (#47097137)

I would expect her to have gotten a Commodore 128 in 1987. Did she say she got a 64? I didn't hear it in the video.

Re:Commodore 64 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097211)

There were 2-3 times as many C-64s as C-128s sold. There was very little C-128 specific software; mostly it ran C-64 and CP/M software.

Yeah whatever, more charlatans (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 6 months ago | (#47097045)

Zuckerberg built a mediocre site that was in the right place at the right time to make a quick buck off of it, and the modern iteration is not maintained by him. The only reason we're hearing from him is because of how much money he makes. The only reason we hear from chelsea clinton at all is because she's a clinton, and she's just repeating her mother's party line, nothing new.

Neither are 'computer scientists' nor are they informed enough to speak for education or technology in general. One speaks from arrogance and self interest and the other from ideological assumptions. At best, zuckerberg is the better of the two, but only because he's actually written a few lines of code.

Re:Yeah whatever, more charlatans (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097121)

but only because he's actually written a few lines of code.

Are you sure about that?

Interesting that state surpluses were mentioned (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097049)

Don't just say "spend the surplus on [insert worthy program]".

States can't print money, so they have to save money during the good years so they don't have to raise taxes or layoff people in the midst of the next economic downturn. If the surplus is more than enough to cover the next recession based on historic averages, if the state's tax rate is inline with other states, if basic services are up to par, sure than we can talk.

Re:Interesting that state surpluses were mentioned (1)

hubie (108345) | about 6 months ago | (#47097131)

I'm not sure whether most states are allowed to sit on money to be used at some unknown point in the future (a "rainy day fund").

Celebrity journalism at it's finest. (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about 6 months ago | (#47097097)

So why is Chelsea Clinton's opinion any more important than the flavor-of-the-month reality TV star(let)?

She has not learned to hide her indoctrination (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#47097189)

What a bunch of left wing drivel. "Continuing to tell stories of people that are not...who don't look like Mark Zuckerberg"? You know what this is not even code for right? I'll join the Zuckerberg hate club, but the reality is he has billions of dollars and made something that people pay for (as misguided as that may be). Chelsea does not like that he's a white man. Just like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (who was ethnically Syrian, but he looks mostly white, so who cares). So, reality be damned, we need to show more transgendered, red headed, female, black, hispanic, native american, Eskimo billionaire leaders in computer science.

And what the heck does "aligning computer science with common core" mean? Big difference between that and "aligning common core to computer science". The order is everything. The common core kooks want subjects to align to the curriculum, because the curriculum is what is really important, not the subject. Curriculum should be aligned to the subject and the knowledge.

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