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World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal myth (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2288875)

It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have allowed themselves to be so swiftly deluded by a fraudulent fabrication of such ridiculous proportions. The very idea that not one, but two jumbo jets would crash themselves into a famous New York skyscraper -- in broad daylight with vigilant air-traffic controllers and tight airport security watching every move of every craft in the air -- is laughable. Furthermore, it is a horrendous affront to the world-renowned intellect and common sense of the American people. The fact that anyone could actually believe this is evidence that the Liberals -- after decades of waging war against intellectual integrity and honesty -- have finally ripped the few remaining, tenuous strands of control of our educational system from full-blooded, hard-working, God-fearing Americans.

As such wonderful documentaries as The Siege have so articulately exposed, the Liberal masterminds in Berkeley and their toadies throughout the nation have been silently waging war against the American people and their God-given rights to protect themselves, their worship, their family values, and their hard work. Much of this has been conducted under the guise of preventing "terrorism", a meaningless word engineered by radical left-wingers specifically to bring fear into the heart of honest Americans. Think about it -- can you remember any reference to so-called "terrorism" that occurred before Liberals invaded our government offices in the last decade? Of course you can't, because despite whatever the revisionist histories may tell you, there is no mention of any "terrorism" in classic literature before 1980. Only then did the neo-Marxists invent such absurd figures as Timothy McVeigh and Osama Bin Laden in order to legitimize their anti-freedom agenda, drowning the spirit of the American people in a blatantly-engineered machine of fear and mourning for "victims" of these "terrorist attacks".

In fact, it should be incredibly obvious that the concept of a 110-story building even being built, much less two, is a clear and obvious fraud. No documentation of these "twin towers" existed before a "terrorist attack" occured on the previously-nonexistent pair of skyscrapers on September the 11th. Due to this hoax being perpetrated by the Liberal-controlled media, suddenly people all over the world mourned the loss of thousands of people who had not existed before. Innocent men and women, brainwashed by the left-wing education institutions, gave firsthand accounts of losing relatives they never had until the "attack" happened.

But the most outrageous aspect of this hoax is the "Pentagon" -- a government office fabricated especially for this purpose. Liberal media claims this imaginary building to be "the center of America's defense system", although obviously an organization as proud and God-fearing as the United States Military would never think to station themselves in a building of five sides, so obviously close to the pentagram, mark of Lucifer himself. It is insulting to the nation's intelligence that eight hundred members of the world's proudest institution would be made to meet their Lord by something as graceful, efficient, and secure as our country's fine aviation system.

Don't let the devious tricks of the Liberals allow you, a citizen of the greatest nation this Earth has ever or will ever know, to surrender your freedoms. Any lesser nation would have succumbed to their wills long ago, and indeed the socialist states in Europe already have. It is only the superior resilience, pride, and intellect of America that has allowed it to withstand the constant threat of Liberal control.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

wbav (223901) | more than 12 years ago | (#2288912)

Dear Sir or Madem,
I relize what has happened in the past day seems unreal, but let me assure you it is real. Denal is one way some of us deal with our problems, but that will not help. Finally, please put down your politic stick, it's time for all of us libral, conseritive, and other, to come together, and work together to help those who were hurt.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Troll)

wbav (223901) | more than 12 years ago | (#2288936)

Oh sorry, I missed the jokes in your comment somehow..

/me says 3000 time Read, don't scan.

Dumb Moderators! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289605)

For crist's sake, I made a mistake, and admit it and I get modded down again? Both as trolls? I mean shit, come on. I tried to say I was sorry, but that got moded down? Get your head out of your ass moderators!

Re:Dumb Moderators! (0, Offtopic)

Nasheer (179086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290263)

I think I saw somewhere before posting it something like "Use the Preview Button! Check those URLs! Don't forget the http://!".
Or maybe I saw "You should have used the preview button" after posting...

Nevermind... it's already done.

Re:Dumb Moderators! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2290599)

but would you have called it a troll? look at the comments.

Someone please up-moderate the preceeding post. (-1, Troll)

skybird0 (176892) | more than 12 years ago | (#2288962)

It might be off topic, in bad taste, and even offensive, but it is very funny and much more interesting than fp!!

Hey moderators! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289999)

My post might have been off topic but it definitely was not a troll. I simply asked you to consider upmoderating a previous post. Needless to say, I'm posting this as AC.

skybird0

Re:Hey moderators! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2290296)

I have to agree with you. What the heck happenend with the moderators? I've never seen so many down-moderations in /. until now. And some really deserves a "funny"... (Altought some deserves a -2).

They would be Trolls if this was about the WTC catastrophe.

(To avoid these problems I'll post as AC too)

Re:Hey moderators! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2291625)

The moderators are doing their jobs. This article is about mapping the net. Any post in here relating to the WTC disaster is offtopic. All these responses about moderations (including this one) are also offtopic. I have modded posts down for this reason, and have metamoded offtopic posts as 'unfair' if anyone had modded them up as 'interesting'.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289025)

a true classic. I'm glad I'm not the only one not stuck in 'social-ladder climbing fake grief' mode.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289293)

I'm glad someone else is sick of the whole "I'm more upset than you are" show that's been going on since the attack.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289311)

You bastard! People died in there!

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289357)

And what's worse, the Hall of Fame [slashdot.org] has stopped working too.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289506)

I know you're just in high school, but when you grow up you might understand there are more important matters than your zits and the fact that you're not getting laid.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289926)

Unfortunitly you never grew up you just became overly concerned with other trivial things.
On a grand scale none of this really matters.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2290317)

You have to love high school philosophers. An inch wide and an inch deep.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289974)

And when you get older, you'll look back on your life and realise that there was nothing more important than your zits and not getting laid. Everything else is just compensatory behaviour. The connection you feel with the WTC incident is an illusion. You are not involved.

Re:World Trade Center attack - an absurd Liberal m (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2291137)

You are not involved.

The first few nanoseconds that I heard the news, I thought the exact same thing. Then, I realized it was not one of my normal bizarre nightmares (as I dream about this crap every night.) This was in fact quite real, and happening in the US, a country that gets relatively few terrorist attacks.

No, the US isn't better than the rest of the world, and no we shouldn't think we're too good to get attacked. But then, that's just it. We shouldn't think this because quite apparently we CAN get attacked. Now that it's OBVIOUS that it's apparently not real hard to do, we can all be sure there will be more to come.

And when it comes to the possibility that you, I, or anyone we know/love/care about could get killed by some psycho religious person acting upon his superstitions while the victims are minding their own god damned "Uninvolved" business, then it most certainly DOES involve me, and it involves you, too. You're just too fucking stupid to see it.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2288879)

fp!!!

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2288887)

fp?

Jihad! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2288895)

I delclare jihad on this article. Jihad is a holy war and all muslims are obligated to honour it so join me muslim brothers in eliminating the great satan that is slashdot.

Where on the map do I find this (-1)

ubertroll (153053) | more than 12 years ago | (#2288905)


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Re:Where on the map do I find this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2288937)

fuck thats a big ass hole. you could crash a plane in there

Re:Where on the map do I find this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2288972)

wouldn't that blow it up?

mirror attempt... (4, Interesting)

complex (18458) | more than 12 years ago | (#2288945)

i tried to grab at least the images linked to directly on the front page, in the hope that i could mirror them, or at least pass them on to someone else to mirror them. this was when the article had only 4 responses (all -1, of course).

the site was already toast. i got half of one image.

wouldn't it be cool if slashdot could choose 5 or 10 trusted people (slashdot users who had previously performed a good public service and mirrored old articles) to get the story 5-8 minutes early?

complex

Re:mirror attempt... (0, Offtopic)

Ghoser777 (113623) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289077)

Works now. Although the server is obviusly feeling the strain of the slashdot effect.

I'm kind of curious on how google cache works. Would it be possible for slashdot to add these websites to the cache before the story is posted?

F-bacher

Sound's like a great Idea! (0, Offtopic)

orionpi (318587) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289089)

One could set up an account with a script that would auto mirror the site when it recived an email. I'm sure someone here could set that up. The script could then respond once/if it successfully mirrored the site and those links could be posted in the story

Re:mirror attempt... (1)

ThymePuns (222253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289771)

Better yet, why not make a P2P client and have one perosn download the files first, then set it up so everyone can just download from everyone else...


I'm sure this has been thought of and discussed before, and I'm pretty sure someone even has a real client for distributing web pages P2P, so I claim no responsability for the plan, but i still think it'd be better than having mirror after mirror taken down.

Re:mirror attempt... (1)

suwain_2 (260792) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290067)

Another idea would be *much* easier to code, and wouldn't require anything on /.'s part. I suspect people might have already created this:

People who have a ton of bandwidth could simply write a small Perl (or whatever language... I just happen to like Perl) script to occasionally refresh /.'s page, looking for new links, following them, and mirroring a couple links deep...

I've thought about this a lot, actually, guess it's just that I have no life. ;) An idea like this has one major disadvantage - if everyone and their cousin has a script running to do this, Slashdot will be driven off the web by tens of thousands of these programs...

The 'best' solution would be to have a small cache of pages on Slashdot - you could even call it "SlashCache". :) There's been a lot of discussion about the legal risks of doing this; seemingly valid arguments have been presented showing that Slashdot could find themselves in huge trouble. However, Google [google.com] has been doing this for quite some time, and, to the best of my knowledge, has never had any legal problems.

Re:mirror attempt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2291163)

S(Madame)ir,
It is apparent to me that you pronounce cache cash -- it's not. It's c-aye-sh. Please die.

Thank you.

Re:mirror attempt... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2290377)

Hah. I was actually suggesting that to someone this morning. Why does slashdot even bother posting URLs if they die minutes later?

fools (-1)

mackga (990) | more than 12 years ago | (#2288985)

all right-thinking americans should fully support the rapid and precise tactical nuking of selected middle east cuntries. the following are the criminal rouge nations that need a bit of radiational illumination:

iran - tehran
iraq - bagdad
afganistan - kabul
libya - tripoli
sudan - khartum
syria - damascus

all hit at the same time by high-yield hydrogen warheads. fuck with us, you get a nice radiation bath. just one suggestion. do it at night - about 2:00am in the morning, with cruise missles. and just to make sure, use three to four per capitol city. oh, yeah, don't tell anyone else about it beforehand. if the other shit-stained asshole cuntries protest, just smile and say "want some?"

Re:fools (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289117)

Well aren't you going to be embarassed when it turns out to have been a bunch of disgruntled pilots, eh?

Excellent! Kill all those filthy wogs. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289123)

Death to all wogs. Death to Islam. Nuke the bastards to hell.

Re:Excellent! Kill all those filthy wogs. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289185)

Kind sir, please inform us the meaning of the word "wog"? We are poor arabic students living in the slums of Los Angeles, and our sense of English is somewhat niave.

Re:fools (-1, Offtopic)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290929)

Nobody knows if it was directed by a Middle Eastern country.

Typical bloody trigger-happy American.

My thoughts go out to all those who have lost family and friends in this tragedy, but simply turning the Middle East into radioactive glass would be a very stupid thing to do.

This doesn't look good for Linux... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289009)

I just saw this FAA announcement on the wires. It doesn't look good:

WASHINGTON, D.C. (ASSOCIATED PRESS) The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced the immediate suspension of its test program for Linux-based flight control systems on commercial airliners.

Good thing (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289043)

Would you want hordes of k3wl h4x0rs reprogramming open source flight control systems? "Haha, let's attack Microsoft next"?

Stephen King Is Dying Posts are Dying (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289020)

We should all keep in mind this simple truth: Stephen King is Dying Posts are dying.
You don't need to be Kreskin to predict SKIDPs future. The hand writing is on the wall: SKIDPs faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for SKIDPs because SKIDPs is dying. Things are looking very bad for SKIDPs. As many of us are already aware, SKIDPs continues to lose troll share. Mod points no longer flow like a river of blood.

Troll leader Egg Troll states that there are 7000 goatse.cx trolls on Slashdot. How many trolls of Stephen Kind is Dying are there? Let's see. The number of goatse.cx versus hot grits posts on Slashdot is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 SKIDPs trolls. ASCII art posts on Slashdot are about half of the volume of SKIDPs posts. Therefore there are about 700 posters of ASCII art.

A recent article put goatse.cx at about 80 percent of the troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 goatse.cx trolls. This is consistent with the number of goatse.cx Slashdot posts.

Due to the troubles of Jon Katz, abysmal editor policies and Slashcode, Slashdot went out of business and was taken over by VA Linux whose stock was long troubled. Now VA Linux is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that SKIDPs have steadily declined in troll share. SKIDPs are very sick and their long term survival prospects are very dim. If SKIDPs is to survive at all it will be among Slashdot trolls, crapflooders, and leet doodz. SKIDPs continue to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Stephen King is Dying Posts are dead.

More Posters (1)

Diplomat73 (323901) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289051)

I dont know whats up. But all these links are not working for me. Does anyone else have that problem?? Anyway one of the best places to get the current internet map is from Think Geek [thinkgeek.com] but thats just me.

Re:More Posters (1)

echomonkey (520931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289128)

Too bad the pics are already Slashdotted. Everyone will have that problem for a while. It's called the Slashdot Effect.

The Slashdot Effect is when a server gets bogged down with requests because a link to it was posted on Slashdot. I'm not totally sure about what happens, but that's as much as I can say.

Just helpin out some fellow /. newbies ;-)

Re:More Posters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289161)

Thanks

Re:More Posters (1, Troll)

Oztun (111934) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289297)

Now we need a new term when a major event happens and we can't get to Slashdot. Maybe the terrorist effect?

Re:More Posters (1)

LinuxHam (52232) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290099)

I actually used the term "Slashdotted" with a geek friend regarding CNN at 10:30am on the day of the bombing and there was no doubt in his mind what I meant. I really think its the best way to describe the situation. I described to my wife that the April '00 DDOS against CNN, MSNBC, EBay and others simulated with 52 machines what 10 million people had just acheived that morning.

My former manager was from London and he used the term "fell over" for servers that died under extreme loads. I always envisioned someone scaring sheep to make them faint whenever I heard that phrase.

BOO!

Mirror (5, Informative)

imgaming.com (321216) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289056)

I have two of the files mirrored on my server right now.
Someone mind helping? I dont think it will handle a heavy /. for too long :)

con.jpg [internetmaximum.com]
VRML1.jpg [internetmaximum.com]

Re:Mirror (another one) (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289305)

Here's another mirror, made from this comment's parent's mirror:
con [umd.edu]
cvrml1 [umd.edu]
This is my third try posting it, the lameness filter is causing me real trouble, is it worth it? Can't we just mod -1 lame instead of asking a PERL script to do it?

Re:Mirror (another one) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289335)

Automatic "-1 lame" moderation doesn't give you the chance to make your comment less lame - or, more likely, give you a chance to work around the lame lameness filter.

Modern Art (-1, Offtopic)

diatonic (318560) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289061)

While preparing for the quinticentenial celebrations for general Custer's last
stand in little big-horn, the commitee turned to a very big modern artist in
New York, and asked him to make a painting for the occasion.
Anyway, after some three months, and several hundreds of thousands of
dollars, came the big moment. A whole lot of people gathered in a huge hall,
with the media, politicians, and everyone who is anyone. Camera clicking, the
microphones turning here and there...
Then came the moment of revealing the picture. The artist takes off the
cover, and everybody, but EVERYBODY, falls silent. The cameras stop clicking,
and everyone is in total shock.
In the middle of the picture, with a halo over its head, stands a huge cow.
Around it, depicted in detail, are hundreds of couples of indians copulating.
Well, after a few seconds a newspapermen stands up and asks the artist,
hesitantly: "excuse me, but can you enlighten those of us who are ignorant in
the ways of modern art and explain the picture?"
"OK", says the artist. "I was thinking to myself, about Custer climbing that
hill, and beholding all the indians waiting for him there, and I told myself
that probably the first thing that came into his mind was: "holy cow, look at
all those fucking indians!" "

Vote for a Slashdot Cache (0, Offtopic)

brute4ce (248950) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289075)

What about a slashdot cache similar to the Google cache. Before things are posted on /. they automatically get cached and hosted on /. (which can handle *a lot* of traffic.

Babes for the Geek [foobla.com]

Re:Vote for a Slashdot Cache (1, Offtopic)

itsnotme (20905) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289132)

that idea was answered in the slashdot FAQ, basically they dont do that because they would have to get the permission of the authors, and would be at risk for copyright violation and so on and they'd have to be worried about keeping the cache up to date.. so they just link to it..

also they dont cache it because some of the site owners earn money by people seeing the site so the cache would take money away from them.. you know those dorky banner ads actually do make money when people see them so thats why a cache is also a bad idea.. they need to make money.

Re:Vote for a Slashdot Cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2291584)

Doesn't matter. Does Google have the permission of the authors?

No?

Thank you very much, case closed.

Re:Vote for a Slashdot Cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289183)

I agree, we definitly should have a slashdot cache.

Destroy Muslims. Exterminate Islam. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289100)

Our "Todo" list:
  1. Kill all Arbs.
  2. Kill all Towel Heads.
  3. Kill all Mohammedans.
  4. Kill all Muslims.
  5. Kill all Camel Jockeys
  6. Kill all Islam.
  7. Nuk their countries to hell.
  8. Nuke them again.
  9. Death to Islam.

I wipe my ass with the Koran. I spit upon Mohammed.

Re:Destroy Muslims. Exterminate Islam. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289140)

What is a "Camel Jockey"? Does it involve gay sex?

Re:Destroy Muslims. Exterminate Islam. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289212)

Yes, it does. Right up the bumhole, in fact. And ungreased, with salt rubbed into the sores afterwards.

Re:Destroy Muslims. Exterminate Islam. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289346)

Owch, that sounds like something my girlfriend's brothers do to each other.

... (-1, Offtopic)

Slitwrist (469068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289104)

..Right..a huge ass building that I personally have visited and spit off of DOESNT exist!

And all this time i thought it to be a great achievement in loogie aerodynamics!

OH HOW I HAVE BEEN MISLEAD...

damn fucking troller. heh. =:-)

Re:... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289163)

Shut up, you complete fucking moron idiot.

Re:... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2291203)

I think that in his own feeble way he was attempting to be funny. But as I recall this same forum spews endless jokes about any other catastrophe ( the concorde comes to mind ) without anyone meaning any harm.
Why should an American catastrophe be different ?

Re:... (1, Offtopic)

Oztun (111934) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289308)

HUH? I must of missed something unless you are refering to one of the WTC buildings.

Personal Experience with these maps (5, Informative)

bentini (161979) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289167)

The site is down, so pardon me if I'm thinking of the wrong thing. But if these are the same as the famous internet maps, they're damn cool.

I remember when Bill Cheswick started making them. At the time, both he and my dad were at Bell Labs. He even printed two different views out for me to hang on my dorm room hall. But these have interesting research aspects in small parts. The first is mapping the internet. Damn. He has daily logs going way back, and on his website has videos of the IP's of Bosnia blinking on and off during the days of bombing them. (Google search for him). It's incredible.

But the visualization has interesting problems. My dad did some interesting work on the computational geometry structure that allowed for these things to be visualized. They have various springiness between all the connections that eventually reach the state that's displayed. The colors can be assigned in various ways (the one I remember is that each different part of the IP address is a component of RGB). It's an amazing effort that's a lot less hype and a lot more science than we might think.

For more info, the book Programming Pearls by Jon Bentley has mention of it (my copy is packed away, otherwise I would cite it), if obscure. But if you want to do cool stuff like this, it's important to remember that it's not just scripts, cs theory can help everywhere! A useful lesson to take to heart.

-Dan

Re:Personal Experience with these maps (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289231)

Your dad is a filthy rapist.

Re:Personal Experience with these maps (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289337)

Be silent you awful woman. My dad never did those things you say, it was never proven.

-Dan

Re:Personal Experience with these maps (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290581)

Of course, there are an almost infinite number of ways to visualize the internet.

It is interesting to see how people handle the various dimensions.

Map making is a long and honored geek advocation, going all the way back to ancient times.

- - -
Radio Free Nation [radiofreenation.com]
an alternate news site using Slash Code
"If You have a Story, We have a Soap Box"
- - -

/. needs to mirror itself (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289186)

with a site using the older slashcode

The Map (4, Interesting)

Phoex (412808) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289205)

From what I've seen of the map (I love previews on Think Geek) it almost looks like a fractal pattern, very organic at the very least, does anyone know if that was purposeful or just another odd facet of the Internet?

Re:The Map (5, Informative)

hburch (98908) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289652)

As the writer of the layout code, I can tell you it was certainly not a design goal. The original goal was just to be able to look at the results of the traceroutes that were being collected.

Via a variety of bugs in the layout code over the years, I've produced interesting images, such as rings, clovers, and (my favorite) hearts. However, they almost always have a fractal feel at the micro-level. This is true for almost any Eades-like layout that I've seen, so it's probably a function of the layout algorithm.

Interestingly enough, corporate networks layout much differently that the Internet. Corporate networks tend to be very clean, while the Internet is very stringy (almost looks like the strands within some fiberglass).

Re:The Map (4, Interesting)

flufffy (192294) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290078)

considering that the internet can be seen as a complex system (in the sense of complexity theory) it would not be surprising if maps of it did not also exhibit some fractal structure.

for some interesting stuff on complex internet structure, see xerox parc's 'internet ecologies' area at http://www.parc.xerox.com/istl/groups/iea/ [xerox.com] .

What it really needs though... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289516)

...is a big arrow labelled

"YOU ARE HERE"

Re:What it really needs though... (2)

Sir_Real (179104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290427)

I know this was a joke... But damn that would be cool... Just like on those internet sites where you can see an arial of the street you live on... It would be cool to be able to see the representation of say, your subnet...

Andrew

linkmapping (2, Informative)

huphtur (259961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289617)

Check out this page: http://milov.nl/linkthispage.php [milov.nl]
A Dutch doo (milov.nl [milov.nl] ) wrote a cool little linkmapping device. In his words: "Using a combination of PHP and Javascript-DOM-scripting, the structure on this page will grow in different directions depending on the number of referrers that link to it."

too bad none of the links work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2289718)

too bad none of the links work

dont you guys test these before posting?

They need to edit the map already, (2)

Soko (17987) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289777)

since thier server was just slashdotted _off_ of the very same map. Heh.

<troll>
And all you mirror hounds - back off. Some day these idiots will learn that you don't post something on the net that the /. crowd will think is cool unless you have access to via a T3.
</troll> ;-)

Re:They need to edit the map already, (1)

Judas96' (151194) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290127)

From what I have seen not everybody KNOWS BEFOREHAND that their site is going to be posted on Slashdot's frontpage. If I didn't know about it until I was already slashdotted and on the phone with a very angry webhosting service I would personally be pissed off that I wasn't informed beforehand. But maybe that is just me being paranoid and wanting to know what the hell is going on with my own website. I am sure most site owners would be more than happy to pay the bandwidth bill that they receive due to a Slashdot posting.

broken videos (3, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | more than 12 years ago | (#2289801)

Can anybody out there convert the corrupted MPEG videos to a working format? They claim to be MPEG, but are not valid MPEG files.

Re:broken videos (2)

Sir_Real (179104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290514)

The are not corrupt. mpeg_encode (the software from Berkeley he used to encode these doesn't output mpegs the way MSMP likes). He suggests XAnim for Linux. There are other Windows alternatives listed at davecentral [davecentral.com] that you might want to look into.

Andrew

Site isn't actually down (3, Informative)

fractalus (322043) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290114)

It's just the pipe out to the net is clogged, the CPU is 91% idle right now. I'm sorry it's not the world's fattest pipe, but it does handle normal traffic without problems. Bandwidth costs money, y'know? Keep trying and your requests may squeak through.

Anyone who wants to mirror the entire page, with the embedded graphics, is welcome to, to make the material more accessible. Steve updates this page from time to time, so don't expect your mirror to stay current forever.

Re:Site isn't actually down (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290435)

Maybe you should concider a site redesign. There is a large number of fairly large images on the http://www.fractalus.com/steve/stuff/ipmap/ page.

It is really cool though (:

~LoudMusic

A mostly complete mirror? (3, Funny)

helixblue (231601) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290208)

It's been a great week to test my read-ahead public web caching (not without it's bugs).. it automagically grabbed the site for me luckilly, though it took a loooong time. I'm not sure if this is still needed, but try My mirror of fractalus on 12sep2001 [profile.sh]

Has most of the images on it. Be warned, this poor box is already pseudo-slashdotted due to some other mirrored content at the moment, and my poor cable modem can't handle too much more pounding (I set Roxen to throttle at 40K/s outgoing).

So, please mirror it -- but ONLY if you post the URL to the mirror here. It's still grabbing some of the images, so be patient.

Re:A mostly complete mirror? (1)

helixblue (231601) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290632)

BTW, it should be complete, save for the mpeg's.. I killed those in the interest of saving my bandwidth. I'll re-chmod em back tommorow or so, but by then you should be able to get it from the real site or another mirror.

Yeesh.. 3 hours to get modded up.

traceroute (3, Insightful)

austad (22163) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290281)

If someone could take the data that they used to make the still images, and made a traceroute utility that flew down each wire "quake-style" towards each network cloud, that would be cool.

Totally useless, but cool.

Kind of unimpressed not that cool (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2290745)

I thought the quality was lacking, oh well I could give a shit about the Internet.

Why aren't people moaning about mafiaboy going to jail. Isn't that what this place is for. All these 'hacker' guys deserve what they get. They are weasels and know what they are doing. Same with that Russian kid, steal things and pay the price.

Map in light of US attacks? (1)

mysta (67129) | more than 12 years ago | (#2290877)

Someone earlier mentioned an animation of the maps while Bosnia was attacked. Is there any similiar traceroute data before/during/after the recent terrorism on the US?

I by no means want to belittle the loss of human life because of this tragedy. I think it's unbelievably horrid and my thoughts and hope go out to the victims and their family and friends. I just think this would show us another dimension to the disaster.

Re:Map in light of US attacks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2291197)

I don't see how that would belittle the US victims, unless the previous comment on Bosnia bellitles the Bosnian victims, of course.
You die just as horridly and regretably from military bombs as you do from terrorist airplanes.

official mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2291890)

I have put a mirror over here [ucl.ac.uk] in the UK.

This is just some random text to try and circumvernt the silly filter.
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