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NSA Collecting Millions of Faces From Web Images

timothy posted about 5 months ago | from the no-smiling-please dept.

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Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) writes "The National Security Agency is harvesting huge numbers of images of people from communications that it intercepts through its global surveillance operations for use in sophisticated facial recognition programs, according to top-secret documents. The spy agency's reliance on facial recognition technology has grown significantly over the last four years as the agency has turned to new software to exploit the flood of images included in emails, text messages, social media, videoconferences and other communications, the N.S.A. documents reveal. Agency officials believe that technological advances could revolutionize the way that the N.S.A. finds intelligence targets around the world, the documents show. The agency's ambitions for this highly sensitive ability and the scale of its effort have not previously been disclosed."

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failure of scope... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140481)

Oh yes, Achmed, before we plan the terror, lets take a selfie!

Re:failure of scope... (3, Funny)

olsmeister (1488789) | about 5 months ago | (#47140495)

Oddly enough, they often do.

Re:failure of scope... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140535)

Citation needed.

Re:failure of scope... (3, Informative)

seven of five (578993) | about 5 months ago | (#47140549)

Martyrdom video [wikipedia.org]

Re:failure of scope... (3, Funny)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 5 months ago | (#47140779)

Why? Did your Skylark throw a rod?

Re:failure of scope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140529)

As opposed to what you see in movies most "terrorist" aren't some kind of drones that only lives for one thing.
Many times they are just what your military would be like if they didn't have resources and what your soldiers would be like if they didn't have any options.

Re:failure of scope... (0, Flamebait)

imatter (2749965) | about 5 months ago | (#47140795)

With one exception, targeting women and children. Now, you might say, but they do kill women and children. I would have to say you are probably right, they have. The difference is, that as a nation, the United States does not condone the killing of women and children, therefore our military and the people who sign up for our military are not there to kill women and children, that is not why they exist.

Re:failure of scope... (-1, Flamebait)

rubycodez (864176) | about 5 months ago | (#47141019)

my, my you are one naive shithead. The US military can and does slaughter women and children, it has by the hundreds of thousands in the last 15 years alone. Just as one tiny example, our troops machine gunned cars of fleeing Iraqis families, that was mainstream news.

Re:failure of scope... (1)

imatter (2749965) | about 5 months ago | (#47141883)

I don't like taking the bait but... +4 really? all the mod points probably came from U.S. citizens too, that's a shame.

Naive? I understand, but apparently you can't read, I did not say we don't or never kill women and children. I think the only thing I really did there was use the word "probably" which FTFY, "I would have to say you are right, they have."

Re:failure of scope... (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about 5 months ago | (#47142429)

Years after the 9/11 attack, I talked with a young National Guard soldier whose patrol was the New York City subway system. He told me how he was trained, if need be, to shoot to kill a baby in a stroller. As he told me this, I remember how his eyes had an eerie, haunted look.

Re:failure of scope... (2)

shiftless (410350) | about 5 months ago | (#47141413)

What an idiotic statement. I am a veteran of the US Air Force who did two tours in Afghanistan. One time I personally helped fire a rocket at a truck of "suspected insurgents" (read: some guys we just targeted because we were pissed off at getting mortared every day) with a Javelin missile, blowing it to pieces....sending half the flaming wreckage rolling down into a nearby orchard, killing an old man. His granddaughter was not so lucky; she lost an arm and an eye. You should have heard the whooping and cheering when we saw that big ass explosion. It was really cool! The only other person I met who seemed to show any doubt about what we'd done was the young (20-22 year old) combat medic who had to patch her up.

War is hell. Get a clue, you fucking useful idiot.

Re:failure of scope... (2)

imatter (2749965) | about 5 months ago | (#47141733)

and that's why you signed up, right? oh wait that's why you signed up for the second tour.

At least you are not an AC.

Re:failure of scope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141525)

...but the killing of men though, that's just jim-dandy.

Drones (1)

phorm (591458) | about 5 months ago | (#47142013)

Yeah, because the drone strikes etc don't have any sort of 'collateral damage' at all. For that matter, remember the "collateral murder" helicopter video?

But anybody within a certain age limit and fairly generous radius of a drone target is considered to be collaborating with the target... so they're not considered civilian casualties. If you don't like the statistics, change the parameters... (but lots of innocents still get killed).

Re:failure of scope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47142071)

The man who buys the meat is brother to the butcher. You sign up for an organization that kills fairly indiscriminately; you accept responsibility for the deaths.

Porn database! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140483)

Great, now someone can finally put together a comprehensive porn database! Also, first :)

Re:Porn database! (3, Funny)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 5 months ago | (#47140533)

Ah, so that's why they're developing technology to recognize facials?

Re:Porn database! (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140743)

Now that's what I call a sticky situation.

Re:Porn database! (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 5 months ago | (#47141351)

Well, that sucks.

Re:Porn database! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141911)

Well everyone saw that one coming!

Color me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140485)

surprised.

Re:Color me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140573)

Just remember, they're only doing what the rest of the world does! Because they're all bastards.

Re:Color me (1)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 5 months ago | (#47140679)

Just remember, they're only doing what the rest of the world does! Because they're all bastards.

Well, in this case they're following the lead of the British GCHQ, so in some sense they are doing what the rest of the world does.

But since GCHQ is a bought and paid for subsidary of the NSA...

Re:Color me (2)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 5 months ago | (#47140727)

But since GCHQ is a bought and paid for subsidary of the NSA.

Learn some history [gchq.gov.uk] mate.

Re:Color me (3)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about 5 months ago | (#47141503)

Why do you think that contradicts his statement? Take a look at how much funding GCHQ receives from the NSA - it's a significant amount of their total budget and has led to some concerns that they act more in the interests of the US than UK.

Re:Color me (2)

Eunuchswear (210685) | about 5 months ago | (#47141535)

History?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden [theguardian.com]

The real history is that the UK found it didn't have the resources to fund Bletchley Park without American help and by the end of the war most of the work was being done in the US:

By December 1943, 120 machines were installed. For the remainder of the war, the US took care of breaking the majority of German Naval Enigma traffic and in particular the messages of the dreaded German U-Boats.

http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/bombe/ [cryptomuseum.com]

Re:Color me (5, Insightful)

Travis Mansbridge (830557) | about 5 months ago | (#47140979)

GCHQ, NSA, and their equivalent agencies in Australia, Canada and NZ are all members of the "five eyes" spying group also known as ECHELON. Any time a law might restrict one from spying on citizens of their own country, they just have another member spy for them and hand over the info.

Re:Color me (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 5 months ago | (#47141165)

But since GCHQ is a bought and paid for subsidary of the NSA...

Last time I checked, NSA was our copy of GCHQ. We were so impressed with what they did in WW2, we decided we needed some of that....

Why wouldn't they? Everybody knows that what... (2, Insightful)

EzInKy (115248) | about 5 months ago | (#47140539)

....you put online stays online. Forever!!

1984+100=2084 (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140543)

I think George Orwell's classic 1984 needs an update... Any bids from the rest of you /. reading cellar dwelling SciFi nerds on what 2084 will be like? Will our kids and grandkids have micro drones hovering about them, recording their every utterance and their every move and reporting it to private corporations and/or christian conservative ayatollahs in Washington? Will people be walking around with masks to avoid the omnipresent surveillance society? Will masks even be legal? In the UK hey've already entertained the idea of banning hooded garments because they enable you to hide your face from CCTV.

Re:1984+100=2084 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140579)

In the USA masks are already illegal.

Re: 1984+100=2084 (1)

Scareduck (177470) | about 5 months ago | (#47140593)

In an energy-starved future with people in government who view power as unlimited, Game of Thrones sounds reasonable.

Re: 1984+100=2084 (2)

rubycodez (864176) | about 5 months ago | (#47141037)

funny this world will never be energy starved, we've fossil fuel for centuries.

instead, we have cartels that would like us to stay with fossil fuels and so have governments and armies in their pockets

Re: 1984+100=2084 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141651)

funny this world will never be energy starved, we've fossil fuel for centuries.

Nope. You might have the fuel (and oxygen to burn it too), but you're running out of room for the CO2 long before you run out of fuel. Air becomes unbreathable with about 1% CO2, you'll hit that long before the coal runs out. Which is why we must give up the fossil fuels - even if we somehow avoids "global warming" through other means.

Re: 1984+100=2084 (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 5 months ago | (#47142047)

you are silly, the maximum osha level allowed is 5,000 ppm. We won't be able to hit exceed that lofty goal to make your CO2 doomsay, sorry. But maybe we could acidify the ocean enough to make it weird with the kinds of life that would flourish in that level of carbonated saltwater. does that make you better?

Re:1984+100=2084 (1)

devnulljapan (316200) | about 5 months ago | (#47141979)

They already did make wearing a mask a crime in Canada [www.cbc.ca] , punishable by 10 fucking years in jail.

Re:1984+100=2084 (2)

Alain Williams (2972) | about 5 months ago | (#47142179)

They already did make wearing a mask a crime in Canada [www.cbc.ca] , punishable by 10 fucking years in jail.

That is wearing a face mask in public, it does not cover private pictures.

However: so that you can recognise me when we meet to plant our bomb at the embassy I have some pictures of me [starpulse.com] .

Next craigslist for ***k recognition. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140581)

So once they've got your face, they'll match up your IP# with the one you posted to craigslist and match your face to a picture of your genitalia.

Reciprocal approach (4, Interesting)

BSAtHome (455370) | about 5 months ago | (#47140597)

Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make. Follow the spies by spying on them and publish the results. Not only celebrities are public goods, the spies who collect information should be must be as transparent as they live on and deal in public goods. What is good for the goose...

Re:Reciprocal approach (4, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 5 months ago | (#47140635)

Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make. Follow the spies by spying on them and publish the results.

Because they will put you in PMITA prison for interfering with law enforcement or obstructing an investigation or some other bullshit. You can't use their techniques against them, those techniques only work when you have the upper hand.

Re:Reciprocal approach (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140651)

I say we world stack all yanks. The momenty they step food outside yankyland, plaster their personal info and wereabouts and work all over the web

Re:Reciprocal approach (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140647)

Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make.

Because it is illegal of the worst kind, namely unconstitutional. Which is the same reason why they have no business doing that kind of thing without warrant and oversight. If you want to fantasize about what to do to those who are violating the constitution they have been sworn to without restraint, that's easy: throw them into jail. It's the law. This is indeed a case for "What is good for the goose..."

Re:Reciprocal approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140711)

Its not illegal, the White House just outed the top CIA undercover agent in Afganastan with no reprocussions. No one got punished, fired, written up, or anything.

If what you say is illegal something would have been done. Hell, Richard Armatage would have been punished for outting V. Plame, but instead someone who had nothing to do with outting her was sentenced for something else unrelated during the investigation. So I can only assume its perfectally legal to out undercover agents and what they do now.

That is unless they are now admitting they are not legally held to the law but you are. The Obama administration would never do that, would they?

Re:Reciprocal approach (0)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 5 months ago | (#47140773)

it's not illegal for obummer to do it. if you do it you get the electric chair.

Re:Reciprocal approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47142277)

"obummer" ??? How old are you? 14?

Re:Reciprocal approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140667)

Works for me, maybe someone who lives near one of their properties could set up a small webcam and just do a live feed. Doesnt have to be the "spys" but a photobook of their techs, companies they do business with, times of day that they come and go could be very useful.

Re:Reciprocal approach (2)

camperdave (969942) | about 5 months ago | (#47140669)

Why not start spying on the spies and publish every single move and action they make.

Okay. Here's [router-switch.com] a start.

Oh, wait! I think I saw one of them blink.

Re:Reciprocal approach (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140705)

Just beat them at their own game, we should push for a law to make 24/7 surveillance required for everyone and all records open to everyone.

I bet you I don't have as much to hide as goverment employees, politicians, corporate management of a lot of other people. The old "if you have nothing to hide routine"

So why do some have the right to privacy when the people don't.

Re:Reciprocal approach (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about 5 months ago | (#47141055)

but they already gather such info on politicians and employees, whoever is in power can use the dirt

Who says the politicians are using the info? (2)

bussdriver (620565) | about 5 months ago | (#47141587)

Every politician who is a threat to the system, when they get the power to do something they suddenly flip. Why is that??

Sure, in some cases when they hear the arguments they change their minds; but it seems that it is extremely easy to make any politician to flip sides and behave. It is naive to just assume that it is always a result of lying politicians and whatever other stereotypes you are more comfortable with than questioning whether the system is so corrupt that it has working control over politicians who threaten the soft spots.

Hoover used the FBI to blackmail; the CIA has done it as well; political parties use it on their members to some degree as well. I'm confident we have psychological profiles of our leaders and not just all the foreign ones; I bet that info gets abused as well.

Automation and technology isn't going to bring us new powers of "persuasion"; it's going to make old ones more effective and widespread. The NSA doesn't need to do this, they can just get facebook to give them access to their system and maybe throw a tax break their way to add some features... if they are not already doing this now.

Re:Who says the politicians are using the info? (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 5 months ago | (#47142169)

It is naive to just assume that it is always a result of lying politicians and whatever other stereotypes you are more comfortable with than questioning whether the system is so corrupt that it has working control over politicians who threaten the soft spots.

So, you find it far more reasonable to assume a vast conspiracy rather than that people will lie to get elected?

Wow, just wow....

Re:Reciprocal approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47142199)

They may have more to hide, but they get away with much much more. That's what being in power means, you know?

"Wired" suggested this in 1990s (1)

peter303 (12292) | about 5 months ago | (#47141975)

They suggested that any public be able to access public camera feeds. That is the spy targets spy on the spyers. The writing was n the wall then with video prices dropping, you could install thousands of cameras everywhere. Many businesses and police do so.

NSA Collecting Millions of Anuses From Web Images (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140599)

I always wondered whose cavernous rectum that was. (I still don't know, butt I take comfort in knowing that my government knows)

What DOESN'T the NSA do? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140603)

(The NSA and friends are referred to as NSAAF in my post, since it's not a single agency anymore.)

At this point in time? We can be fairly certain that whatever scary thing you thought of, the NSAAF actually took the time to investigate the feasibility of it.

Global mass surveillance? Facial recognition? Social engineering the people that oppose the surveillance state and publicly humiliate them and make them look like nut jobs?

Jesus Christ, admins. Pull it together. All of this wouldn't be such a big fucking deal if crypto was forced upon users. Why do we even HAVE non-SSL HTTP?

Re:What DOESN'T the NSA do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140623)

cont.d: I know crypto won't fix everything. But mass surveillance will be fixed by it.

Social networks with public key cryptography will fix the facial recognition issues at least there.

Most of the stuff the mass surveillance programs are getting isn't encrypted and is put up by users. Restricting that information to parties not concerned through crypto will effectively put all these programs in the dark.

Re:What DOESN'T the NSA do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141151)

Your an idgit. If you have soshul, your going to have survAloance. Duonut!

List of NSA employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140607)

Anyone has one? It would be a nice project to put together a database with information and images on all who work there.

Re:List of NSA employees (1)

sensei moreh (868829) | about 5 months ago | (#47140659)

I'll start. There was an undergraduate math major at UCLA named named Larry (I don't recall his surname), class of 1976, who had accepted a job offer from NSA.

Re:List of NSA employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140771)

Great!

1. Larry
2.

Now, someone please fill in number 2.

Re:List of NSA employees (2)

dotancohen (1015143) | about 5 months ago | (#47140889)

Great!

1. Larry
2.

Now, someone please fill in number 2.

2. Edward S.. s.. something. Scissorhands, maybe.

Re:List of NSA employees (1)

CanadianMacFan (1900244) | about 5 months ago | (#47141417)

I don't think he's with them anymore.

Re:List of NSA employees (1)

Mr.CRC (2330444) | about 5 months ago | (#47142365)

There was a guy we were trying to hire named Moe, who went to the NSA instead.

1. Larry

2. Moe

Re:List of NSA employees (1)

BradMajors (995624) | about 5 months ago | (#47140663)

Try linkedin.

Re:List of NSA employees (1)

mfh (56) | about 5 months ago | (#47140855)

Lots of people lie. On Linkedin. You'll end up getting a bunch of people who want others to THINK they had NSA experience... when in fact they are 12yr old boys.

And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow-lah (0)

keysdisease (1093663) | about 5 months ago | (#47140609)

Human nature being what it is.... If you don't want someone else to see it, don't send it. Everybody always lies. Everybody always spies.

Re:And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow- (3, Insightful)

camperdave (969942) | about 5 months ago | (#47140693)

If you don't want someone else to see it, don't send it.

Pray tell, how do I get someone to not post pictures of me?

Re:And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow- (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140775)

By not being in them to begin with, doofus.

How's your Mars trip coming along you retard?

Re:And GCHQ was watching intimate skype videos ow- (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140785)

Yahoo: http://www.theguardian.com/wor... [theguardian.com]

The web is not the internet (3, Informative)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 5 months ago | (#47140611)

NSA Collecting Millions of Faces From Web Images

The National Security Agency is harvesting huge numbers of images of people from communications that it intercepts

Intercepted communications aren't "the web."

emails, text messages, social media, videoconferences

Apart from social media (largely), none of those things are "the web."

Re:The web is not the internet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140675)

Apart from social media (largely), none of those things are "the web."

Pedantry about protocols doesn't really change anything here. Stay on topic.

Re:The web is not the internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140903)

Michel their?

Re:The web is not the internet (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 5 months ago | (#47141257)

Apart from social media (largely), none of those things are "the web."

If you read further, there's a lot of other sources the NSA is (not denying that they are) pulling from.

declining to say whether the agency had access to the State Department database of photos of foreign visa applicants.
also declined to say whether the N.S.A. collected facial imagery of Americans from Facebook and other social media
gathers airline passenger data
collects photographs from national identity card databases created by foreign countries
asked whether the agency is now [gathering iris scans], officials declined to comment
The documents also indicate that the N.S.A. collects iris scans of foreigners through other means.
a program called Pisces, collecting biometric data on border crossings from a wide range of countries

Am I doing it wrong, or do (un)ordered lists not work on /. anymore?

Re:The web is not the internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141577)

Next thing you read will be that the NSA and GCHQ are combing passport and driving databses like the DMA (USA) and the DVLA (UK)

Runaway spying agencies are real.

Orwell's 1984 prediction was 30 years too early.

Yawn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140617)

This is a top News for Nerds story?

Hey, just like Facebook (5, Interesting)

dingen (958134) | about 5 months ago | (#47140621)

It's funny how little difference there is between what Facebook's servers are doing and the NSA's. I wonder who has more info on you.

Re:Hey, just like Facebook (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140713)

The NSA for sure ... they get all Facebook data and combine it with everything else they collect

Re:Hey, just like Facebook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141189)

Really? And this got modded up?
 
Are you really trying to compare a social networking site with the federal government who's been shitting on the 4th amendment for at least 5 years and more like 25 years? Did you really use this as a vehicle to make fun of Facebook? Is that where we really are as a people today?
 
Game over. No wonder the powers that be get to sit up high with a smug grin on their face as people like you feed their bullshit and shrug off their offenses. You're part of the problem. They have you fighting against a mostly harmless entity while they fuck you in the ass and you're loving it and begging for more.

Re:Hey, just like Facebook (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | about 5 months ago | (#47142205)

Facebook is interested in selling you things, NSA in terrorism. Either could be misused by a politician to spy on opponents, feeding them critical political info, and no one would ever notice.

We know no alarms go off when someone listens in on a conversation without a warrant in the NSA. It's more of a checklist, "you did get a warrant, right?". You don't think some kind of google or facebook analytics is up for sale, or just given, to preferred candidates?

NSA = Jews (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140643)

You need to wake up. Your country has been taken over by Jews - just like Germany was in the early part of last century (and again, after World War II, where 'the Allies' (i.e. puppets of the Jews) won the war, so the Jews could take over Germany yet again.)

You need to take 'The Hitler Test':
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=83879

"Germany was destroyed in the 1940s because it was the most serious threat to Jewish worldwide financial hegemony the world has ever seen. While the rest of the world was mired in a Jewish-imposed worldwide depression — and people were starving in the streets everywhere, including the United States — Germany under Adolf Hitler was thriving, because it had freed itself from the shackles of the international bankers and their devastating criminal formula of fractional reserve lending, which is the exact thing that is strangling societies all over the world today."

"And the second most important fact that has been covered up is that all this ceaseless and maudlin hoopla about 6 million Jews gassed and burned in German concentration camps obscures the real mass murder crime by Jewish allies America, Britain and the Soviet Union, who terminated with extreme prejudice 12 million innocent German citizens, most of them after the war had supposedly ended."

They would silly not to... (1)

Megan Woods (2920951) | about 5 months ago | (#47140665)

Honestly it is kind of what you would expect that kind of organisation to be doing..

Re:They would silly not to... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140733)

The "it is no surprise the NSA does X" line is just a way to let them off the hook.

It is exactly the short of thing we should expect from an organization charged with saving society by undermining it.

Remember what Osama bin Laden said [cnn.com] in his only post-9/11 interview.

"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed," bin Laden said as the U.S. war on terrorism raged in Afghanistan. "The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life."

Re:They would silly not to... (2)

hey! (33014) | about 5 months ago | (#47141147)

Honestly it is kind of what you would expect that kind of organisation to be doing..

And that's supposed to be reassuring?

Re:They would silly not to... (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about 5 months ago | (#47141893)

No: If you did not expect this, its time to hand in your geek card.

Re:They would silly not to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141225)

So, an unrestrained government agency is spying on every man, woman and child in the country (and other countries around the globe) regardless of whether or not they are even suspected of a crime, and in doing so has completely undermined the constitution, and this is what I expect from him?

Somehow, I disagree with that logic. I kind of expect a government agency to uphold the law, not imprison the population and declare themselves the new rulers.

I guess it's still early (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140697)

I thought they were collecting feces. I waited a full 30 minutes in the bathroom before I realized my error.

edit (1)

jamesl (106902) | about 5 months ago | (#47140761)

... according to top-secret documents.

Should read, " ... according to formerly top-secret documents."

Re: edit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140831)

Just because it was released publicly doesn't change its classification.

Re:edit (2, Informative)

currently_awake (1248758) | about 5 months ago | (#47140871)

Documents don't stop being top secret just because someone leaked them.

Re:edit (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47140895)

Sadly no. A terrifyingly stupid EO was signed that made it so that the wikileaks info was still classified. So that every single person with a clearance that ran across it on the web had to report it as a security violation. Yes, the national security adviser is that stupid.

Impressive collection (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141107)

Collecting too much porn.

Once a blue planet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141269)

What an ugly world some have turned this beautiful place into. Is there a ship leaving for another possibly peaceful planet? A world without all the governments, spies and terrorists would be nice.

Re:Once a blue planet (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about 5 months ago | (#47141307)

What an ugly world some have turned this beautiful place into. Is there a ship leaving for another possibly peaceful planet? A world without all the governments, spies and terrorists would be nice.

So a world without humans? I'm sure there are plenty but why would we send an empty ship there?

Re:Once a blue planet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141441)

What an ugly world some have turned this beautiful place into. Is there a ship leaving for another possibly peaceful planet? A world without all the governments, spies and terrorists would be nice.

I don't like to cite SW anything, but damn if this isn't how the Republic dies.
The terrorist threat is vastly overblown, it certainly doesn't require the huge amounts of money being poured into the surveillance state. It's the NSAs of this world that will bring down our democracies, all the while most of the citizenry and our stupid political leaders will chant "but it's necessary to keep us safe". Yeah they keep us safe the same way you keep safe a lamb going to the slauterhouse.

Folks do this to themselves (2)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | about 5 months ago | (#47141501)

The flip side of posting the most innocuous details of your life online for all to see. What did you THINK would happen?

Re:Folks do this to themselves (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141847)

Because they're so brain numbingly stupid to actually believe the fundamentally flawed argument of "I am not breaking the law, and I have nothing to hide, so nothing to fear, at all."

Sad that the human race has sunk to this low level of intelligence.

Primary Purpose of the Xbox One Kinect (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47141731)

Where are the filthy, filthy shills who screamed over and over again, in every forum, that the Xbox One was an 'innocent' device, and anyone who said otherwise was a tin-foil hat wearing 'nutter'.

Bill "I made inBloom in partnership with Rupert Murdoch" Gates dedicates his life to advancing the police state, and thinking of new ways to enhance the full surveillance programs of the NSA. Gates personally forced Microsoft to spend may tens of billions of dollars buying every available company that might have technology useful for the Kinect 2 NSA sensor block that was originally a COMPULSORY internet connected peripheral of EVERY Xbox One.

The original plans for the console meant ZERO gaming or other use could occur unless there was a permanent internet connection directly connecting to the data continuously streaming from the cameras and microphones of the Kinect2. Even when a massive backlash forced Microsoft to remove the always-on internet connection requirement, the Kinect2 NSA sensor block was functioning at 100%, even when the console was in stand-by power-mode.

Kinect2 was designed to be the ultimate, remotely programmable spy platform, but it had a default mode active on EVERY console. This mode takes facial recognition quality images of the faces of EVERY person who enters the room (even in the dark- even if you think the console is 'sleeping') and uploads these images to NSA servers hidden in Microsoft's cloud.

Despite the best efforts of people like the owners of Slashdot (who provide infinite moderation points to paid shills of the NSA and other governmental organisations), ordinary people rejected the obscenity of the Xbox One to such an extent (opting for the vastly superior- and cheaper- gaming platform, Sony's PS4) that Microsoft has now agreed to provide a Kinect-free version of the Xbox One.

Bill Gates gave you:
-Common Core (the best psychological methods used to dumb-down Middle America)
-inBloom (the universal database that monitors the lives of every American child in every detail). inBloom has now been transferred to the NSA full surveillance programs, and relies on covertly tapping into various online databases to extract the information on each child. As an overt program, the brainchild of Rupert "Fox News" Murdoch and Bill Gates came under too much public scrutiny.
-NSA in-home spying via the Xbox One Kinect

Gates' family has a long history in American Eugenics- the same movement that gave Hitler and the Nazis all that pseudo-science (yes, Adolf Hitler personally thanked the US eugenic movement for their assistance providing Germany with their theories on 'racial purity'). Gates tours the world, giving speeches on how the Human Race must be 'culled' (no more than two billion sheeple required to serve the needs of the 'elites').

Gates wants every ordinary American to be tracked in every aspect of their lives 100% of the time. In this goal he is joined by most of the other 'technology' leaders, including those behind Facebook, Yahoo, Google, Oracle, and IBM (the original partner of the Nazi movement). In the 50s, this concept had a famous phrase "no place to hide". In the 50s, the sheeple were told it was the 'corporations' and 'advertisers' who were pursuing this agenda for commercial reasons, but even then, darker forces pulled the strings in the background.

The ONLY thing that can save Humanity from such an unthinkable abuse is the incorporation of fundamental principles of privacy into the written and unwritten Constitutional protections of Human societies. Like how slavery was fundamentally abolished. The US constitution needs new amendments specifically prohibiting all forms of Full Surveillance, describing such actions as morally and legally repugnant. The RIGHT TO PRIVACY against the machinations of the paid servants of the State is an essential Human Right.

Tech usually gets cheaper + more accessible... (1)

jenningsthecat (1525947) | about 5 months ago | (#47141905)

... So at some point the capabilities that the NSA now has, may be available to the average citizen. Then it will be time to lift the rocks under which the watchers live, and report publicly on their every move. Payback's a bitch.

why would any person assume this didnt happen? (1)

peter303 (12292) | about 5 months ago | (#47141993)

People would have to be incredibly naive to assume the worlds government intelligence agencies and commercial intelligence are not collected and analyzing any data they can.

NSA watches Facebook! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47142351)

Film at 11.

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