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Snowden Rallies Privacy Advocates In New York City

samzenpus posted about 2 months ago | from the fight-the-power dept.

Privacy 72

An anonymous reader writes 'Mass global surveillance "isn't just an American problem, this is a global problem," Edward Snowden told the Personal Democracy Forum (PDF) conference in New York on Thursday. Appearing via video call from Moscow, Snowden spoke with John Perry Barlow, cofounder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, in front of a crowd of hundreds gathered in downtown Manhattan. Barlow announced the launch of the Courage Foundation, an organization dedicated to financially supporting Snowden's considerable legal battles. "I'm afraid we've descended to this point," Barlow said, "But why do animals lick their genitals? Because they can. Why do governments do this? Because they can't lick their own." "They're licking ours," Snowden quipped, "and taking pictures."'

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Fifty Years Old Today (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177565)

Obama's slurping your nuthole off (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177585)

Don't read this... it is a curse...

In 1998, a little boy named Timmy was enjoying a relaxing day at the beach with his beloved family. Being the curious and adventurous young lad that he was, he managed to sneak away from his family and traveled far enough away from them that they could just barely see him from where they were located. Little Timmy, while walking, then noticed a small lizard beanie baby sitting in the sand, looking up towards him. They exchanged greetings, and then, feeling daring, Timmy said, "I betcha can't lick my buttcheeks!"

The lizard replied in a confident tone, "I bet I can!" Then, the lizard beanie baby's tongue stuck out a few centimeters in front of its face and stopped moving. Timmy, not understanding the situation, gazed at it in puzzlement. Suddenly, he heard and felt something slimy smack his precious cheek! He couldn't believe it! It was as if most of the lizard's tongue was invisible and that he could stretch it and make it move anywhere he wanted from any location!

Timmy, still feeling daring, then said, "I betcha can't lick my buttcrack!" In the same confident tone, the lizard replied, "I bet I can!" and the exact same event as before happened once again. The lizard stuck out its tongue a few centimeters, and mere moments later, something hit Timmy's bare buttcrack. This caused Timmy to jump in the air from surprise.

Timmy, angry that the lizard's tongue violated his precious snap, screamed, "I betcha can't lick my butthole!" This time, his voice didn't have the daring tone that it had before. The lizard almost immediately replied, in a confident tone that sounded as if he knew precisely what would happen, "I bet I can!" Regretting his decision to dare the lizard immensely, Timmy began begging and pleading for the lizard to stop. Despite this rather sad turn of events, an invisible, wet tongue smacked Timmy's bootysnapcheekcrackhole moments later! The lizard had slurped his most prized possession!

Infuriated that his most precious spot was violated by the dirty little lizard's tongue, Timmy attempted to kick the lizard. However, to his surprise, the lizard was somehow able to avoid the blow and crawl into his pant leg! Timmy could see a small lump on his pant leg slowly make its way towards his ass! Thinking quickly, Timmy used his hands to block its path. Feeling victorious, he smirked and began mocking the lizard. Seconds later, the lump somehow managed to effortlessly move right under the obstacles that were Timmy's hands and continued merrily on its way!

Timmy, frightened, tried desperately to take off his jeans, but it was as if they were glued to his body! The lizard finally made its way to Timmy's ass, crawled between his ass cheeks, climbed on top of his precious hole, and then stopped. As if it had stopped just to make Timmy even more frightened, the lizard began its mission as soon as Timmy's dread became apparent. The lizard crawled all over Timmy's bootysnapcheekcrackhole in a square pattern, stopped at each corner of the imaginary square for about a second, and then moved to the next corner.

Each time it crawled, each time it moved, a sinister rattling sound was heard, and tremendous amounts of tickle were inflicted upon Timmy's ass! He could do nothing but try to endure it, but there is no way that any being in existence could endure having such concentrated amounts of tickle inflicted upon their ass. He screamed and pleaded for it to stop, but to no avail. The lizard continued crawling, and Timmy heard it let out an ominous laugh...

Now that you have read even a single word of this, the very same lizard puppet will effortlessly make its way to your bootysnapcheekcrackhole, and crawl all over it to inflict preposterous amounts of tickle upon your ass! To prevent this from occurring, copy this entire story and post it as a comment three times.

Why do dogs lick they genitals? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177609)

According to Lister in Red Dwarf it is because dog food tastes so crappy.

Re:Why do dogs lick they genitals? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 months ago | (#47177783)

Do I want to know why they know that dog balls taste better than dog food?

Connection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177619)

The governments are licking genitals and taking pictures? I believe it. This is already happening in the United States. The NSA is contracting to certain disreputable film studios based out of Los Angeles.

Re:Connection? (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 2 months ago | (#47178311)

The governments are licking genitals and taking pictures? I believe it. This is already happening in the United States. The NSA is contracting to certain disreputable film studios based out of Los Angeles.

Why go to all that trouble when there are elected officials texting pictures of their privates for free?

We're supposed to take this seriously? (2, Insightful)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 2 months ago | (#47177627)

Southpark has already done plenty of political satire peppered with dick and fart jokes. If Snowden doesn't want to come across as a tinfoil hat loonie, he should probably tone down the juvenile humor a notch. It's frequently said that those who resort to insults do so because they can't hold an intelligent debate.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177639)

because they can't hold an intelligent debate.

There's no intelligent debate to be had, or a debate at all. It's just the government violating the highest law of the land, and people who give a shit trying to stop them. They had no moral high ground since the beginning.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177853)

It's worse than that. I am watching you 24/7 too. We all are.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (3, Interesting)

Powercntrl (458442) | about 2 months ago | (#47177863)

There's no intelligent debate to be had, or a debate at all. It's just the government violating the highest law of the land, and people who give a shit trying to stop them. They had no moral high ground since the beginning.

The point is, if the situation is dire and serious, the message should be as well. Think about it for a second, if someone on here posted "Don't buy an iPhone because Apple wants to lick your balls!" it would be moderated as troll in the blink of an eye. It works for Southpark because the objective is to get you to laugh. When you're pointing out an injustice being committed by the government, you should be trying to get people to think.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (4, Interesting)

MrKaos (858439) | about 2 months ago | (#47178221)

There's no intelligent debate to be had, or a debate at all. It's just the government violating the highest law of the land, and people who give a shit trying to stop them. They had no moral high ground since the beginning.

The point is, if the situation is dire and serious, the message should be as well.

Whilst that is true, paradoxically, the more dire and serious the message is, the easier for our controlled press outlets to manipulate it into something else, so the less people listen. Perhaps Snowden is just pressing a point in presenting the argument that way to make it, feel, really personal because it is.

When you're pointing out an injustice being committed by the government, you should be trying to get people to think.

You are right, I sense they will think 'EWWWW', however it's a mammoth task getting people to do anything until they understand why its in their own self interest. Slowly the legal framework is put in place, the use of such powers concealed and, sometimes not acted on. People never feel the impact and are dumbed down enough to be apathetic enough to allow more freedoms to be stolen. Look at the silly monkey

The self involved aspects of our own culture works against us as vanity makes so many of us desperately shallow and ignorant. Meanwhile those remaining in our western society who understand what freedoms are being stolen and twisted against us, scream in frustration as democracy is turned into a parody of what was supposed to be. A trapped is only closed when all avenues of escape are.

It would seem though that even in the intelligence agencies there are people saying 'this is gone far enough', recognised whoever is pushing this agenda as a domestic enemy and have been brave enough to stand up to the systemic corruption that is threatening to collapse Western society the same way the USSR was. They are ejected from the machinery.

I just hope that democracy doesn't become the experimental blip in history between monarchies and ogliarchies because we were too afraid and lazy to face the responsibilities of living in one.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47179371)

There's no intelligent debate to be had, or a debate at all. It's just the government violating the highest law of the land, and people who give a shit trying to stop them. They had no moral high ground since the beginning.

The point is, if the situation is dire and serious, the message should be as well.

Whilst that is true, paradoxically, the more dire and serious the message is, the easier for our controlled press outlets to manipulate it into something else, so the less people listen. Perhaps Snowden is just pressing a point in presenting the argument that way to make it, feel, really personal because it is.

When you're pointing out an injustice being committed by the government, you should be trying to get people to think.

You are right, I sense they will think 'EWWWW', however it's a mammoth task getting people to do anything until they understand why its in their own self interest. Slowly the legal framework is put in place, the use of such powers concealed and, sometimes not acted on. People never feel the impact and are dumbed down enough to be apathetic enough to allow more freedoms to be stolen. Look at the silly monkey

The self involved aspects of our own culture works against us as vanity makes so many of us desperately shallow and ignorant. Meanwhile those remaining in our western society who understand what freedoms are being stolen and twisted against us, scream in frustration as democracy is turned into a parody of what was supposed to be. A trapped is only closed when all avenues of escape are.

It would seem though that even in the intelligence agencies there are people saying 'this is gone far enough', recognised whoever is pushing this agenda as a domestic enemy and have been brave enough to stand up to the systemic corruption that is threatening to collapse Western society the same way the USSR was. They are ejected from the machinery.

I just hope that democracy doesn't become the experimental blip in history between monarchies and ogliarchies because we were too afraid and lazy to face the responsibilities of living in one.

"Whilst" -1 Pretentious

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 2 months ago | (#47179931)

Perhaps Snowden is just pressing a point in presenting the argument that way to make it, feel, really personal because it is.

We're now 3+ nested layers deep into an early and highly up-modded conversation about the dick joke. This conversation about the dick joke was the first thing I saw upon scrolling down. The dick joke is dominating the conversation.

Which is exactly why he shouldn't have used the dick joke.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (3, Informative)

is not primary (2645335) | about 2 months ago | (#47177697)

It wasn't Snowden making the joke, it was Barlow

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (1)

is not primary (2645335) | about 2 months ago | (#47177705)

I should learn to RTFA... Sorry

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (1)

PsyMan (2702529) | about 2 months ago | (#47178073)

NOOOO, Never RTFA, in fact it is considered bad form to even read the whole summary before commenting your pearls of elite wisdomism.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178171)

It wasn't Snowden making the joke, it was Barlow

It was both.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 months ago | (#47179263)

"we can share the women,
we can share the wine;
we can share what we got of yours
but you can't see none of mine, mine, MINE!"

perhaps not from a song barlow helped write, but close enough for government work, I would say.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (2)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 2 months ago | (#47177699)

It's frequently said that those who resort to insults do so because they can't hold an intelligent debate.

Maybe, but you're assuming the opposition want an intelligent debate.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177823)

Oh, come on. Next thing would be "Not Safe For Work" or what.

I actually had a chuckle of that. And BTW:

> If Snowden doesn't want to come across as a tinfoil hat loonie [...]

1. It was John Perry Barlow's joke (and it wasn't that bad, but YMMV).

2. I'd take Sowden seriously independently of what jokes he might tell. I use my judgemeng for that.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178103)

Life is so pointlessly brutal and brutally pointless that anything that keeps us from weeping uncontrollably all the time is appreciated. Relax. Snowden has done a serious job himself already and now is paying for consequences so even a fart joke is ok. He is now at the 'BBQ after the job well done' phase only the BBQ sauce and cold tasteless beer are missing.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47179161)

If Snowden doesn't want to come across as a tinfoil hat loonie, he should probably tone down the juvenile humor a notch.

It doesn't matter how Snowden "comes across".

The facts revealed by Snowden are what matters.

Your life must be very difficult indeed given your obvious mental handicap.

Re:We're supposed to take this seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47180187)

Who the hell thinks he's a tinfoil hat loonie? If anything he proved the idiots that called other people tin foil hat loonies for so many years were WRONG. It really WAS a conspiracy and this shit really was going on.

I mean he had access to all this shit and proved it, so what point is there in trying to not be labelled by idiots as a tin foil hat wearer? If people still think that then they're the ones with the issues.

Snowden For President (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177653)

Let's vote him in and he can pardon himself. Problem solved.

Re:Snowden For President (3, Insightful)

bayankaran (446245) | about 2 months ago | (#47177751)

May not be President, but he deserves the Nobel (way more than most, including your current guy holding one for who knows what!)

Re:Snowden For President (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 2 months ago | (#47177791)

Nobel Prize has gone the way of the Guinness World Record. It used to be for some real accomplishment, now it's mostly a wanking- and popularity contest.

Re:Snowden For President (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178079)

Which is all more the reason to give it to Snowden: you both get to restore some credibility to the prize, and raise public awareness about him / his cause. Win-win.

Re: Snowden For President (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 2 months ago | (#47178193)

Not so much as even that - it's become purely political. Say what you want about Gore and his slideshow, but if you compare him to the other nominees that year, it's embarrassing. And then Obama and the EU? Fonzarelli's Jump was more credible.

Nobel Peace award (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178117)

We can but hope that goverments in charge see it's better to spend $$$ on looking after people, rather than killing them. I remember wondering why on earth Obama got one but I guess it shows how the people that decide on this are not really basing it on reality. I mean he got it a month after taking office! I guess people were just relieved that the bushy war machine has been decommissioned (although Obama has his work cut out as the military use up a fair proportion of taxes and seem to have a lot of control on American politics.. a good slice of the pie see me [bbc.co.uk] ).

Re:Snowden For President (2)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about 2 months ago | (#47178269)

I wonder how far a White House petition to give Snowden a Presidential Medal of Freedom would get...

Not that he would actually get one, but to show how many people are pissed off about what the government's been doing.

Re:Snowden For President (1)

Bob the Super Hamste (1152367) | about 2 months ago | (#47179035)

Probably the most accurate statement applicable to Snowden

Earth President Susanna Luchenko: Well, Captain, you caused quite a stir. Half of EarthForce wants to give you a kiss on the cheek and the Medal of Honor. The other half wants you taken out and shot. As a politician you learn how to compromise. Which by all right means I should give you the Medal of Honor, then have you shot. I confess the idea had a certain appeal when I mentioned it to the Joint Chiefs two hours ago. [] The bitch of it is that you probably did the right thing. But you did it in the wrong way, in the inconvenient way. Now you have to pay the penalty for that. I know it stinks, but that's the way it is.

And then he took over the Galaxy (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | about 2 months ago | (#47179821)

Nothing says "Your Forces are not big enough" like blotting out the sky with your fighters (and breaking windows with your flyby).

Re:Snowden For President (1)

sasparillascott (1267058) | about 2 months ago | (#47179183)

It brings up a troubling question, in this day and age of our surveillance state intelligence angencies - who'd want to sign their name on that list, which would obviously be passed over to the "watchers" as "potential troublemakers".

Re:Snowden For President (2)

lagomorpha2 (1376475) | about 2 months ago | (#47180735)

It brings up a troubling question, in this day and age of our surveillance state intelligence angencies - who'd want to sign their name on that list, which would obviously be passed over to the "watchers" as "potential troublemakers".

I thought of that myself, 2 points:

1) Anyone who would sign it is probably already on some sort of list
and
2) If we're to the point where that is a legitimate concern then it's even more important to do so.

Re:Snowden For President (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177857)

He's too young. He needs to evade a show trial and felony conviction for another decade or so before he can run for office. And so far he has shown enough integrity and care for what America stands for that he is unlikely to pull a Berlusconi, so it's likely that he'd go on trial and prison afterwards to join his previous superiors in case he manages his presidency well.

On the other hand: has America really come so far that they cannot hope for even one other eligible and capable candidate willing to stand up for the Constitution and the oath taken on it?

Someone smart, straight, and as incorruptible as the position wants?

Re:Snowden For President (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178063)

Let's vote him in and he can pardon himself. Problem solved.

That is an interesting idea. I wonder if the average voter would be willing to consider voting for him.
If someone else is doing the campaign work for him, does he have to be in the US during the election period to be eligible?

It has been a long time since someone with morals and who actually cared about the peoples rights was in the running for president.

Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47180061)

The problem isn't that we haven't had a worthy candidate or a dire enough situation this whole time; the problem is that we can't convince the average person to stop voting for "lesser" evil.

Re:Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47181121)

To maximize the number of voters the parties has to cater to the voters that are between them. To do this they have to be exactly as the other party but slightly to the edge they were on earlier.
It is the people who vote for the lesser evil who are to blame for the parties being as similar as they are.

Re:Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47182011)

(I'm the AC to whom you replied)
Oh, you're preaching to the choir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_clones_criterion#Compliant_methods

Re:Won't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47185687)

Many people do vote for the 'lesser' evil, but not all of them do it consciously; many have convinced themselves that they're voting for candidates they truly like. As for everyone else (most people in general)? They're just unintelligent.

Broken metaphor (1)

Pfhorrest (545131) | about 2 months ago | (#47177665)

Somehow I don't think the government licking my balls really conveys the right idea of the bad things they're doing. That's generally the kind of thing you'd tell someone you don't like to do because it demeans them and pleasures you, not the kind of thing someone oppressing you does to you of their own choice.

Well, maybe it's different for men and women, their stereotypical experiences and perceptions at least. A bunch of pervs wanting to lick a woman's genitals against her will gets more into the territory they're probably trying to convey here.

Re:Broken metaphor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177747)

Or a lizard trying to lick your bootysnapcheekcrackhole, as the case may be.

The most salient question (-1, Flamebait)

korbulon (2792438) | about 2 months ago | (#47177703)

Snowden is a hero or a traitor? Discuss.

[Meanwhile pay no attention to the men in black dungarees quietly moving the governmental surveillance apparatus to an undisclosed location.]

Re:The most salient question (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | about 2 months ago | (#47177727)

....? Discuss.

This isn't reddit or 4chan, why are you using their social mannerisms here?

Re:The most salient question (1)

korbulon (2792438) | about 2 months ago | (#47177779)

I was channelling my inner Linda Richman, but if this is what floats your boat...

Re:The most salient question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47177865)

lol @ 4chan "social mannerisms" faggot

Re:The most salient question (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | about 2 months ago | (#47177909)

lol @ 4chan "social mannerisms" faggot

Indeed.

Re:The most salient question (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178669)

Why do we use reddit and 4chan socail mannerisms here?

Discuss.

Re:The most salient question (1)

retchdog (1319261) | about 2 months ago | (#47179289)

I'm getting all verklempt. Topic!

Snowden is neither snow, nor a den.

Talk amongst yourselves.

Thank you Snowden (5, Insightful)

MildlyTangy (3408549) | about 2 months ago | (#47177775)

Thank you Mr Snowden for everything you have done.

We always suspected, but never really knew how bad things really are until now.

Again, I thank you.

F you Snowden (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178199)

Nobody cares. The media just wants something to write about.

I'm disappointed the NSA isn't doing more, and wasn't able to prevent leaks like this.

You and people like you are going to be the ones to blame the next time something bad happens. What have you ever done?

Re:F you Snowden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178395)

Things bad happen all the time. The mass domestic spying hasn't stopped anything. You and people like you are going to be the ones to blame when we gotten rid of rights one by one to the point where we have another civil war or we live in a totalitarian state.

Bad Dog (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47179911)

Nobody cares. The media just wants something to write about.

I'm disappointed the NSA isn't doing more, and wasn't able to prevent leaks like this.

You and people like you are going to be the ones to blame the next time something bad happens. What have you ever done?

And people like you are the reason why our Bill of Rights is routinely sodomized.

Re:Bad Dog (1)

MildlyTangy (3408549) | about 2 months ago | (#47185197)

Nobody cares. The media just wants something to write about.

I'm disappointed the NSA isn't doing more, and wasn't able to prevent leaks like this.

You and people like you are going to be the ones to blame the next time something bad happens. What have you ever done?

And people like you are the reason why our Bill of Rights is routinely sodomized.

LOL, what a complete load of absolute rubbish.

Im not even going to bother to rebut the utter tripe you have spouted, it truly is not worth the effort.

LOL.

Re:Thank you Snowden (1)

jennatalia (2684459) | about 1 month ago | (#47187857)

All he did was come up with proof of what we've known and joked about for decades. Black helicopters, big brother listening in, it's not new.

Anaemic Responses (3, Interesting)

jaeztheangel (2644535) | about 2 months ago | (#47177843)

I woke up this morning and found myself wondering - if I met Snowden what would I ask him?

Then I realized, he's managed to turn the focus of the world back onto the invasion of our selves, social and personal, by governments.

So I'd ask: "why then, is the response so anaemic?"

Who we are used to be about our bodies, our family, our social interactions day to day. Suddenly as technology began to increase our reach - we found all forms of communication first monitored, then censored by governments, and their corporate proxies.

I don't deny them the right to protect themselves, but it seems to me that 'they' are 'us'. We all want status, and security, so we aim for money (counters printed by them), power (positions, and authority rationed out by them), and I don't know a single business leader or politician who doesn't defend themselves by setting up legal structures to deflect blame or absolve themselves.

What we need perhaps is to take the tools of the internet and create something new - looking at BitCoin and its resilience in the face of massive corporate and government opposition I think what worries them is they'll first cede control of the coinage, and then cede control of the courts.

Coins are important - we used to rely on governments to stand by their currency but with BTC and related currencies we can now create unforgeable, and publicly verifiable money. No need for banks, and their associated parasites.

Courts are also vital - well aware that people are tried in public as much as in private - both the etiquette and the frameworks for legal accountability are shifting towards the individual. I'm heartened by the approach of the EU, and glad that Google is moving forward to implementing privacy carefully and thoughtfully.

Sorry for writing so much, please let me know what you think privacy will be like in 5-10 years - and critically - if you think we'll be able to be private citizens again, or is it already too late?

Thank you.

Re:Anaemic Responses (1)

Pieroxy (222434) | about 2 months ago | (#47177881)

It is already too late. Look at Snowden: he revealed everything to the sunlight, and nobody cares. It's gone. NSA is here to stay with all their crap.

Re:Anaemic Responses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47181069)

Are you speaking about the 'right to be forgotten'? The way I see it is that it's a restriction on speech. Unless a search engine is scraping a site, I don't see the issue.

Snowden is misinformed (1)

dilvish_the_damned (167205) | about 2 months ago | (#47178227)

With 4.3 million personnel, the federal government licks its genitals pretty much all the time.

Very Funny (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178251)

Being a self-righteous jerk wasn't enough, now it's juvenile jokes?

He's a traitor; anyone here who supports what he did is just as bad.

traitor to your on constitution.. (2)

kirthn (64001) | about 2 months ago | (#47179541)

Lol...enough non-americans here....who can't be called traitors in any case..

US used to be "Land of the Free"...with very strong conditions not allowing the government to become a tyranny, among: The Fourth Amendment of the Constitution prohibits "unreasonable searches and seizures." Seizure – the taking of private information"

Apparently you are the traitor to your own constitution...I guess it will be come down between Snowden's Constitution and Obma's Constitution [techdirt.com]

and to speak with Benjamin Franklin... "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both"

Re:traitor to your on constitution.. (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about 2 months ago | (#47180347)

Your right and I can name the time MADD "Mothers against Drunk Driving" got a Law passed that allows everyone to be pulled over and checked for being drunk. So far to my knowledge the Supreme Court has allowed such stops. This was the beginning of the end in my good old USA.

Re:traitor to your on constitution.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47182105)

... got a Law passed that allows everyone to be pulled over and checked for being drunk. ...

Can they just pick cars randomly, or do they stop at some road and check everyone passing? Here in Finland they occasionally do the latter. "Hello", "Please blow into this device", "Ok, thank you.".

I don't think they are allowed to do anything but the quick check unless they immediately see something wrong. No searching the car or anything, which could be done discreetly if they pulled people over individually. I have no problem with the current drunk driver checks, but I would strongly object if it was changed to be more invasive.

Re:traitor to your on constitution.. (1)

jelIomizer (3670957) | about 2 months ago | (#47185701)

I have no problem with the current drunk driver checks

Then you're anti-freedom. People should not be harassed merely because they could be committing some crime. If they have no reason to think you're committing a crime, you shouldn't be stopped. In the US, this practice blatantly violates the spirit of the constitution, but that doesn't seem to stop hypocritical morons who desire 'safety' more than the freedom they pretend to care about from supporting it anyway. So basically, they're opposed to the highest law of the land in the US and want the government to blatantly violate it, and they're opposed to the principles the US (or any free country, really) is supposed to stand for.

Re:Very Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47180465)

The founding fathers were also branded traitor. I feel I am in good company.

der (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47178611)

'Mass global surveillance "isn't just an American problem, this is a global problem,"
No shit!

I wonder (1)

djhaskin987 (2147470) | about 2 months ago | (#47178869)

I'm all for regulation of mass surveillance. After the Snowden incident I started using a password manager and made sure my pgp key was up to snuff. But I wonder how many other more important secrets he had to tell the Russians to get amnesty, how many ships sank because of his lose lips.

That's irrelevant because "none" fits the bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47180483)

You can just assume that he disclosed nothing to Russia: it is plausible and there is no indication to the contrary.

The important point, that you are straying from is that there is a group of people that are gaining so much leverage on the society that it'll no longer be a democracy. Or much less than it is right now. And here's a hint: they're not russians.

By the way, he has NO lose lips. All that he disclosed, he disclosed on purpose, carefully weighting the results. Don't imply the contrary

He told plenty to the Russians, see Occam's Razor. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 months ago | (#47185195)

Given that they would do such to secure his stay, it would be the simplest explanation to say he did.

There will never be true peace in the world (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about 2 months ago | (#47180305)

There will never be true peace in the world as long as there are communist states and religions who are taught to kill non believers by any means necessary. Political correctness keeps us from spying on those who are truly Dangerous. That is IMO and im sticking to it.

Snowden == Uncaptured Bergdahl with a keyboard. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | about 2 months ago | (#47185251)

Given that Snowden's endangered the country in ways not unlike Bergdahl, bringing him to court is the only way to get the truth. That, and overwhelming evidence against him still is a fair trial - while he thinks he's entitled to an unfair trial in his favor.

For that, I stand with America by standing with the efforts to bring him in. If anything, it should also mean that anyone that meets him (or gains knowledge of exact whereabouts) but does not turn him is fit to be considered aiding a fugitive.

He'll never be back, but his efforts left a mark (1)

jennatalia (2684459) | about 1 month ago | (#47187843)

As much as people want him to be freed and exonerated, you can only poke the bear so much before he will kill you. He only got to poke it once, though, but maybe he'll face a fair trial if he goes up against an international tribunal rather than one in the US.
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