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Amazon's 3D Smartphone As a (Useful) Gimmick

timothy posted about 4 months ago | from the will-it-play-holochess? dept.

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Steve Patterson (2850575) writes It's rumored that Amazon will launch its own 3D smartphone on June 18. While it may be compelling, a sexy 3D feature won't catapult Amazon into the lead of the cut-throat smartphone category. If this were true, the EVO 3D, introduced two years ago by HTC and the W960, introduced by Samsung four years ago, would have been top sellers rather than niche products. However, a smartphone that renders 3D images does present an internet retailing opportunity for Amazon. It would be useful to Amazon in selling tangible consumer merchandise, just like Amazon's Kindle Fire tablet was designed to improve Amazon's merchandising of ebooks and video streaming products. What else would you like to use a 3D phone for?

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Might be good internationally (2)

redalien (711170) | about 4 months ago | (#47242579)

Amazon has deals with lots of network operators around the world, giving Kindles download access on their networks. I'd happily live with gimmicky 3D if I could check my emails for free without hunting down airport wifi.

Re:Might be good internationally (0)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47242633)

Fuck your emails, I want free VoIP all over the planet via Amazon, with the ability to call landline and cell phones too.

I'm pretty sure Amazon could offer extremely low-cost monthly/yearly plans, such as 5$ per month for unlimited minutes.

That could push Amazon so far ahead of the competition that iOS and Android could soon be history.

Re:Might be good internationally (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47242651)

And by "fuck your emails" I meant that you should think big. If they can offer low-cost VoIP I'm sure that low-bandwidth data would also be included, so emails and Web browsing would be part of the deal. But not video.

Re:Might be good internationally (1)

Imrik (148191) | about 4 months ago | (#47242821)

Why should we assume low-bandwidth data would be included automatically? Look at text messaging.

Re:Might be good internationally (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47243231)

We're talking about Amazon vs Rape-you-from-behind cellphone companies.

Amazon wants to sell you things via their own hardware. Look at the Kindle.

Re:Might matter to some of you. (1)

hoboroadie (1726896) | about 4 months ago | (#47244653)

If Amazon wanted to sell me things, they would not have chosen to engage in sub-ethical business practices. [amazon.com]
They are simply going to have to get by without my custom.

Re:Might be good internationally (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244865)

haha, what are you smoking?

Have you looked at how much Amazon charges everyone? If you put an ebook on Amazon, you only make 30%. If you want 70% you have to pay for the data used to transmit it. So a 20KB ebook might be fine with 70% royalty rate, but a eBook Comic book will be absolutely killed by that since it's closer to 500MB for HiDPI for something like the Retina iPad. The only way you're getting a 5$ per month for unlimited phone calls is if the quality is barely intelligible, or they charge the recipient of the call for it.

Re:Might be good internationally (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47245285)

Have you looked at how much Amazon charges everyone?

No I haven't, because I'm not an author.

As for 5$ per month for unlimited phone calls, keep in mind that HE-AAC only requires 24kbit/s for mono and HE-AAC v2 only requires 12kbits/s for mono [fraunhofer.de] , so it's a lot less bandwidth for one minute of conversation than you think. With HE-AAC v2, one minute of talk is only 90 Kilobytes.

Re:Might be good internationally (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244551)

The only Kindle devices that have free internet access through 3G (via Amazon's mobile network partners worldwide) are the older e-Ink Kindles with physical keyboards -- and I've hung on to mine for this very reason (being able to check email for free in pretty much any country I'm in). You can only go through so much data using their "experimental" browser on an e-Ink display though. It's no surprise that they never included internet access beyond the Amazon store and Wikipedia for any of the Kindle Fires with 3G built-in, and I don't know why they would do such a thing for a smartphone.

use for 3D phone (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47242587)

primarily, it will be used for 3D sexting.

secondly, it will be used for watching tiny movies.

Re:use for 3D phone (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 4 months ago | (#47243533)

When I was working in the cellular industry a decade or so ago and video calling over GSM was just coming out I thought it would take off with pay-per-minute phone sex lines.

Probably didn't take off because they'd need to hire attractive people to run the phone sex lines.

Use a phone for (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47242605)

Making phone calls, sending txts

What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47242611)

You use your phone to make calls? When were you born grampa, the 20th century?

Re:What? (1)

olsmeister (1488789) | about 4 months ago | (#47242645)

When I purchased Amazon Prime.

Re:What? (2)

drkim (1559875) | about 4 months ago | (#47244051)

You use your phone to make calls? When were you born grampa, the 20th century?

That does it. I'm slamming down the receiver on you.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244525)

Do more than slam down the reciever, teach those little whipper snappers a lesson. Just stop paying their cellphone bill.

Re:Use a phone for (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 4 months ago | (#47243539)

Making 3D video phone calls?

Territorial pissing matches (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47242623)

You know what it won't be used for? Reading Hachette books or ordering Warner Bros DVDs and BluRays.

Re:Territorial pissing matches (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47242639)

BURN! - Kelso

Porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47242631)

Obviously.

Re:Porn (3, Funny)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 4 months ago | (#47242655)

Fuck your porn.

Oh, wait.

Re:Porn (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about 4 months ago | (#47242913)

It will be epic

Re:Porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244267)

Three words that can help catapult 3D smartphones to the top: anal gape selfies.

Re:Porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244427)

No Goatse link? You lazy son of a bitch.

its coming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47242665)

I am sure that someone will figure out how to put 3d porn on it

Been wanting one for a long time. (5, Funny)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about 4 months ago | (#47242723)

I keep cutting my fingers on my 2D smartphone. And it sucks when I lay it down on a flat surface.

Re:Been wanting one for a long time. (2)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 4 months ago | (#47243725)

Slide it of the edge of the table, much easier to pick up that way.

F\ailzors.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47242849)

Already (5, Funny)

radarskiy (2874255) | about 4 months ago | (#47242897)

An unspecified feature for an unannounced product, but we already know exactly what's wrong with it and why it will fail.

Re:Already (1)

bayankaran (446245) | about 4 months ago | (#47243441)

True, but Amazon is getting into an area where it has no core-competency. Its expertise is stocking and selling stuff.
The Amazon E-Reader worked because no other serious electronics company made a decent device - my first E-Reader was a Sony PRS, back in 2005, it sucked, but it sucked less. And E-Readers are for only reading. Still, even if Microsoft took that market seriously - for that you needed someone who is capable of throwing more than chair at the helm - Amazon would have found their Kindle a hard-sell.
A smartphone is a different animal. I understand Amazon needs one of their own, running some flavor of Android, but I don't see any reason they will create something different, a device we want to carry around with us, almost our primary identity as far as devices go. Will it be a good phone, yes. But you need to create a great phone - at least a Xiaomi or a Moto G.
This will be like the Facebook phone or the Facebook home screen...I don't think even the unwashed masses working at Facebook, the true believers themselves cared for that phone.

Re:Already (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 4 months ago | (#47243563)

The Kindle sold well because Amazon sold it cheap and most importantly - it's the best and easiest way to buy and read cheap books. Sure you could read ebooks on your phone, but your battery will go flat and your eyes will get sore.

If they offer a compelling service with this new phone, it will succeed.
If it's just for 3D movies, it'll flop like 3D TV's.

Re:Already (1)

radarskiy (2874255) | about 4 months ago | (#47243923)

"True, but Amazon is getting into an area where it has no core-competency."

I repeat: *unannounced product*. We don't even know that they are getting into the area let alone that they are incompetent at it.

"a great phone - at least a Xiaomi "

A who? Whatever it is it has already failed because no one knows about it.

Also:
“We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.” Palm CEO Ed Colligan on the iPhone

Re:Already (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244103)

Google Xiaomi. Its the Apple of China. And it might get popular outside China too.

Re:Already (1)

praxis (19962) | about 4 months ago | (#47247223)

"a great phone - at least a Xiaomi "

A who? Whatever it is it has already failed because no one knows about it.

Just because you haven't heard of it does not mean that billions of people haven't heard of it. Measuring success or failure based on what's successful in your immediate circle is a pretty narrow definition of success.

What else would you like to use a 3D phone for? (1)

Osgeld (1900440) | about 4 months ago | (#47242919)

p0rn, duh

My phone is already 3D (2)

Jethro (14165) | about 4 months ago | (#47243017)

Hell if you want to impress me, make a 2D phone. That'd be pretty cool unless you drop it on it's side and chop off your foot.

Re:My phone is already 3D (1)

prat393 (757559) | about 4 months ago | (#47243665)

Well, I have a bunch of monofilament phones I could bond together... sounds like we're on to something here.

Re:My phone is already 3D (1)

Jethro (14165) | about 4 months ago | (#47243743)

Finally, someone who knows EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Re:My phone is already 3D (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47243879)

Chopping off your foot is a smaller concern than battery life. There is not enough volume to fit a large battery in a 2D phone :(

Re:My phone is already 3D (1)

Jethro (14165) | about 4 months ago | (#47243889)

Duh. You use a 2D battery!

Re:My phone is already 3D (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 4 months ago | (#47248151)

Two D batteries [wikipedia.org] are going to be huge.

Re:My phone is already 3D (1)

Jethro (14165) | about 4 months ago | (#47248679)

*laughs* ok, you win THIS time! (;

Been there. Done that. (4, Interesting)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about 4 months ago | (#47243173)

My old phone is an LG Thrill. Geat phone when it was released. Had a 3D camera so you could take 3D pictures. Reasonable 3D rendering ON THE PHONE. That's the problem. You could take 3D pictures but only people with another LG Thrill could view them in 3D. You couldn't even share just one of the two images from the stereoscopic image since neither image was actually "correct" when viewed alone. You had to view the 3D images on an LG Thrill. Dumb.

Oh yeah. It also had the ability to play 3D games. I don't play games so that was another useless feature. Also, I'm sorry but the idea behind 3D movies, games, what have you is to make the experience "immersive". It's really hard to feel immersed when you have this little teeny, tiny smartphone screen. Lifesized 3D on a wall sized 4K screen is immersive.

Cheers,
Dave

Re:Been there. Done that. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47243335)

Your comments were negative and depressing, not cheerful.

Re:Been there. Done that. (1)

Daniel Hoffmann (2902427) | about 4 months ago | (#47245293)

The 3DS has the same problem, it can take 3D photos, but you can only see them on the 3DS. I have used that feature on my 3DS exactly 4 times (mostly just to show to other people it is there.)

Re:Been there. Done that. (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 4 months ago | (#47245627)

3D movies are a fad but 3D photographs can be quite spectacular. Unfortunately, viewing is an issue requiring either a special viewing device or expensive printing. It's a shame but it is what it is.

Re:Been there. Done that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47247379)

You couldn't even share just one of the two images from the stereoscopic image since neither image was actually "correct" when viewed alone.

I have no idea how you define correct, but I had a 3D EVO and shared pictures from just one of the two camera's all the time. Both images were correct as far as I'm concerned. As correct as any single lens camera can take. I always shot in 3D, because I figured "Why not take two pictures instead of one?"

Re:Been there. Done that. (1)

DaveAtFraud (460127) | about 4 months ago | (#47257001)

When I view the stereoscope images off camera, they "don't match" with regard to color. Just a slightly different hue but very noticeable. A 2D shot of the same scene matches neither of the stereoscope pair and matches the "real" colors.

Stereoscpic photography has been around for a long time. It just takes shooting the same scene twice but from two slightly different points. My family at one time had a 35mm film camera that had two lenses,etc and could be used to take stereoscopic photograph pairs. You needed a special viewer to view them to get the 3D effect and you burned twice as much film but it was really cool. The lenses were about as far apart as an adult's eyes.

How far apart were the levses on your 3D EVO? The twin lenses on the Thrill are only maybe half an inch apart. Don't know if LG had to resort to some other trickery to get 3D effects with the lenses that close.

Cheers,
Dave

Paper Weight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47243371)

It's a paperweight.

How does it even work? (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | about 4 months ago | (#47243503)

Will I have to wear red/green or polarizing glasses to recognize anything on my phone? Will I have to carry spare cardboard glasses if I want to show a girl at the bar my latest photos?

Re:How does it even work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47243595)

Just like the Nintendo 3DS (I'm guessing you've heard of that?) you have to position your head at a precise point to see the effects.

Re:How does it even work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47243939)

Wrong.

Re:How does it even work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244139)

Right.

Re:How does it even work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244309)

Left?

Re:How does it even work? (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 4 months ago | (#47245639)

Or, at least, that is what you can tell the girl at the bar.

Re:How does it even work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244313)

As it hasn't been announced we don't know, but a common theme among rumours/leaks is a set of small cameras around the screen that detect movement of face (possibly eyes) and the display adjusts accordingly.

Re:How does it even work? (1)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | about 4 months ago | (#47244379)

It's a small screen so it'll probably work with a paralax barrier screen [wikipedia.org] .

If I Was Designing It.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47243515)

Let's just say if I was designing it the internal codename would be Model 80085.

I own the EVO 3D. I never use 3d. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47243633)

I bought it for the features and processor it had. I've had it for two years It's been a great phone, and it is actually pretty robust with the aluminum chassis and scratch resistant glass. I never use the 3d on it, though, other than a couple of times to test out the camera. I'd buy it again, but still not for the 3d. I really bought it because it was one of the first 4G phones that worked on Virgin Mobile USA.

Re:I own the EVO 3D. I never use 3d. (1)

Richy_T (111409) | about 4 months ago | (#47245713)

I bought a 3D camera based on some pictures taken with my daughter's 3DS. I had also played with creating some 3D pictures with a "snap, two paces right, snap" method. There's definitely something that the added depth brings to some scenes (some more than others) that isn't present in a regular picture. It requires a little thought about the composition though so may not be so useful on a phone mostly used for instagram pictures.

If you have a way to view 3D at all, hop over to Phereo.com. I think some of my pictures are under the same name as here.

Maps (1)

DarwinSurvivor (1752106) | about 4 months ago | (#47243735)

Maps could be made much easier to read with 3D as you could focus on a "layer" much easier and see buildings/etc in relief to get a better view of landmarks.

Poor logic (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 4 months ago | (#47244131)

While it may be compelling, a sexy 3D feature won't catapult Amazon into the lead of the cut-throat smartphone category. If this were true, the EVO 3D, introduced two years ago by HTC and the W960, introduced by Samsung four years ago, would have been top sellers rather than niche products.

If that was a logical conclusion from the lacklustre sales four years ago, then nothing new would ever get off the ground.

Handy for holding it (1)

tsa (15680) | about 4 months ago | (#47244269)

A 3D phone is much easier to hold than a 2D phone.

Re:Handy for holding it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244711)

Doesn't cut your fingers off, for starters.

I would use it... (1)

sabbede (2678435) | about 4 months ago | (#47244617)

for porn. What else?

My Evo 3D was used... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47244935)

... in 3D mode exactly twice. Once to check it out and say "wow... this is really lame" and another time to show my tech friend "wow... this is really lame." No gimmicks, Amazon... just excellent value and quality, please. :)

Evo 3D disp was... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47245343)

...pretty much useless.

Looked at a 3D image once, and went meh as my eyes glazed over...

These 3D displays just don't interest me, nor apparently, most other people as well.

So, I'll sit here waiting for my holodeck/hologram disps that might actually be useful.

Useful VR equip in the meantime might be nice along with things like glass that have alot of potential in providing additional information in the FOV in realtime, e.g. I could see it as nice when assembling a PC to have the pinouts of various connector marked and aligned while putting crap together instead of finding it in the manual stopping referring to it again, etc. Lots of other places it'd be handy as well, i.e. not having to stop/look at something else, but just have it floating there in FOV.

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