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Construction of World's Largest Telescope Finally Underway in Chile

timothy posted about 4 months ago | from the it's-chilly-at-night-and-chile-all-day dept.

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mpicpp (3454017) writes with this update about a long-awaited project, the European Extremely Large Telescope: The partial demolition of Cerro Armazones, a mountain in northern Chile's Antofagasta region, marked the start of constructing the world's largest and most powerful telescope, an instrument capable of capturing 14 times more light than existing telescopes. At 2:00 p.m. Thursday, the blasting of Cerro Armazones, 3,060 meters (11,800 feet) high, removed from the peak between 25 and 30 meters (80 and 100 feet) of its height in order to create a plain some 200 meters (655 feet) long, on which to mount the European Extremely Large Telescope, or E-ELT, a project of the European Southern Observatory. On this site will be built a structure 60 meters (200 feet) high and 80 meters (260 feet) in diameter, with mirrors of 39.3 meters (129 feet) which in 10 years will begin to explore the origins of the universe. The telescope will shed light on the 'dark ages' of the universe, when the Milky Way was only 500,000 years old, and thanks to its enormous size it could also contribute to finding extraterrestrial life by detecting whether exoplanets have oxygen in their atmospheres.

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Extremely Large Telescope (3, Funny)

The Evil Atheist (2484676) | about 4 months ago | (#47286599)

First, clear the mountain with a Big Fucking Explosion. Then assemble the Huge Ass Mirrors.

Re:Extremely Large Telescope (1)

grim4593 (947789) | about 4 months ago | (#47286689)

Does anyone know of a video of blowing off the top of the mountain? The article does not mention a video.

Re:Extremely Large Telescope (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47286935)

Have a blast [youtube.com]

Re:Extremely Large Telescope (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about 4 months ago | (#47287161)

What a let down. I've seen M80's do more damage.

You call that an earth shattering kaboom?

Re:Extremely Large Telescope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287167)

Who the hell claimed it was?

Re:Extremely Large Telescope (1)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | about 3 months ago | (#47287579)

Marvin the Martian [google.com]

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Re:Extremely Large Telescope (1)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 3 months ago | (#47288419)

What a let down. I've seen M80's do more damage.

You don't level a mountain top with one big explosion. You set off a charge, clear the rubble, place the next charge, and repeat. They will probably set off hundreds of individual charges over several months.

One big explosion would produce a more jagged surface, and likely cause deep fractures that could result in instability during one of Chile's frequent earthquakes.

Re:Extremely Large Telescope (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 3 months ago | (#47287667)

Then assemble the Huge Ass Mirrors.

It's bad enough seeing a huge ass directly. I don't want to have to cope with reflections of it as well.

damn (-1, Offtopic)

strstr (539330) | about 4 months ago | (#47286607)

if they have telescopes that can detect whether or not the atmosphere of another planet many lights years away has oxygen or not...

imagine what they can observe by pointing a military satellite with this same or more advanced resolution right at us. I mean, couldn't they technically observe whether my brain has neurons and electrons in it using tomography, or electron spin resonance, then create an EEG map with it, feed it into a brain-computer interface or neural decoder, and get all my thoughts? we know they tap cables and computer emissions like this, why not the human emissions and communications that are identical?

I mean they can image things at the quantum level from space and long ranges these days so why the fuck not?

In fact I did some dirt digging and found out major DOD/CIA/NSA/US DOJ whistleblowers have participated and disclosed details about designing such a system. Dr. Robert Duncan, PhD from Harvard, MIT, and Dartmouth with degrees in A.I. and robotics participated in designing said system, and wrote books and created a website disclosing it's illegal covert use on a global scale (books: Project Soul Catcher, The Matrix Deciphered, and How to Tame a Demon). http://www.obamasweapon.com/ [obamasweapon.com] Yet no one takes notice that's it's a piece of cake to do and think it's all crazy talk. :D

Re:damn (0)

strstr (539330) | about 4 months ago | (#47286625)

let me put it another way: oxygen detector or electron detector. what's the difference? ;)

Re:damn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47286767)

the difference is size, detecting the atmosphere of a planet is totally different from detecting single electrons. Please study some science. You would be well served.

Re:damn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47287485)

lookie here. they have an imaging technology like MRI except it's used to detect unpaired electrons or electrical activity in the brain. like MRI it uses wavelengths of energy (ala military radar) to image particles smaller than the wavelength used. it even has an article on Wikipedia but it omits the classified ability to remotely image the brain. they call it electron spin resonance or ESR.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=electron+spin+resonance

it's you who should study science. you are nothing but a noob who doesn't understand quantum physics my friend. because the DOD hid it from you though, and you couldn't get into nice schools like Harvard or MIT.

the questions I posed were obvious enough that any smart peon could understand it was actually something being done today, but despite it's reality you claim it is not reality. I am levels above you because I didn't actually need an answer to the question, I already had the answer. the problem I run into is only quantum physics and conspiracy theorists actually understand the science behind the technology ..

http://www.oregonstatehospital.net/d/patents/malech_patent_remote_brainwave_signal_reading_and_manipulation_3951134_1974.pdf

Here is secret #1 that has been suppressed by the forces of ignorance in the government. There was a patent that I will keep referring to throughout this book because of the importance of the work. It is published in the appendix. In 1974, Robert Malech, an employee of Dorn & Margolin Inc., a major defense subcontractor in radar design now owned by EDO Corporation an even larger all defense contractor in electronic warfare, invented a fairly simple radar device that could read whole brain electrical activity at a large distance . It has the major advantages of no wires and full brain electrical activity analysis, not just points on the skull surface. He discovered and perfected a way to use some simple electromagnetic oscillations anywhere from 100Mhz to 40 Ghz to read brainwaves by "illuminating" the brain and its electrical conductance then reading the return signal. The imaging method observes the changes of frequency resonances, amplitude, and phase which represent the states of neuron depolarization throughout the brain.

Secret #2. But more profoundly, he discovered that he could influence brain waves if precisely timed with a return training signal. He had no idea that at this moment in history, he had accidentally destroyed democracy as we envision it to be. The military and surveillance community immediately picked up on the patent and within two years had reprogrammed their communications and surveillance satellites and terrestrial phased arrays with the new concepts. The rapid deployment of this technology occurred because it only required software changes in already existing radar, imaging, and communications' terrestrial dishes and satellites. Many additional spy satellites have been launched since to bolster the system. So in 1976, on the bicentennial of this great nation, a system called TAMI was born. TAMI is an acronym for "Thought Amplifier and Mind Interface". A more invasive "Big Brother" technology came about before George Orwell's prediction of 1984.

Secret #3. Stealth RADAR techniques were first recorded by observing the Russian bombardment of the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwaves. Using high powered steered phased arrays and focused directed energy from two sources next to each other, one can create a nearly undetectable "scalar" wave, or destructive interference at the point of interest. With just a minor energy interaction, the interfering beams bounce back with strong signal to noise ratio to be resolved at the sources again. This allows for any imaging technique to be done from extremely large distances. In effect, it makes distance irrelevant to the detection feature, be it RADAR, MRI, or ESR imaging.

  At the same time, the Russians had discovered and were developing similar capabilities. This accelerated the secret arms race that continues to this day. The research and capabilities have come a long way in the last 30 years. Even if one didn't have direct access to the knowledge of surveillance capabilities, one could project out in time 30 years knowing technology developments increase at an exponential rate. At that time the military demonstrated the capability of reading automobile license plates from satellite images.

  In order to cover up and not draw attention to mind reading radar, the whole field of psychic phenomena and paranormal psychology was invented to deceive the civilian populations of what was occurring. The Russian's showed their hand when they started bombarding the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwaves in the late 60's, and then with the 7 Russian Wood Pecker transmitters that began operation in 1976 pointed at the U.S.

  Unfortunately, due to the nature of this new weapon, many human minds are needed to create the database of specific brain data necessary to increase the effectiveness on a larger and larger population. These are referred to as the "Cataloguing and Cloning operations". In this context, cloning does not refer to human cloning, but EEG cloning. Many have misunderstood this fact and then it was popularized by the T.V. series "X-Files". These cloning operations are what plague the human race today as every country feels the need to have this weapon that requires torturing and killing many people of their own populations to develop.

  EEG cloning means to copy someone else's brainwaves onto another person. The discovery made by Robert Malech allows this to be done wirelessly anywhere in the world. A new military division emerged called The Psychic Warfare Unit initially stationed in the Pentagon but most likely it was rolled into the Psychological Operations, Electronic Warfare, and Informational Warfare Units. Initially this became a great intelligence gathering tool. Psychically spying into other people's minds was an incredible feat.

  I don't use the term EEG cloning much because it refers only to the special case of observing a targets mind. That is only one aspect of the technology. Malech discovered he could influence brain waves just as easily as reading them. So at the other extreme, a psychic warrior can EEG clone his brainwaves onto a target. This is symbolized in the movie "The Matrix" where the agents take over random citizens bodies while in pursuit of the heroes. The correct terminology to describe everything in between the two extremes is EEG heterodyning. Heterodyning is an engineering term which means to mix signals. So EEG cloning is just a special case of EEG heterodyning.

  EEG cyber hive mind is another term used for EEG heterodyning for non-weapons use experiments. These are collectives of people who share one common set of brain waves. They jokingly refer to the process of forcing someone into a collective as "Borging" them, a reference to the evil cyborg civilization from Star Trek. They are studying both the long term effects of being in this kind of collective mind configuration and how to use it to control, spy through, disable, or kill a target. They also are studying communication and organization without spy gadgets of any kind for synchronized missions.

  The emerging field which intersects at the physics of psychology is called "psychophysics". The dynamics of the mind are well described from neuroscience reductionism. Artificial neural networks have been around for over half a century. But the new challenge is to map exactly the subjective experiences of consciousness to the physics of organic intelligences informational signal processing including biochemical and electromagnetic. The word "Psychophysics" has additional connotations that are quite appropriate in the way that this field has evolved in the secret labs around the world. The tools of psychophysicists are called psychotronics. It is this area of research that has given rise to all the conspiracy theories on the New World Order psychoterrorists, secret societies involvement, mind control and satanic cults. Mind control weapons are the holy grail of the ultimate weapon and has given birth to the world's most notorious, sociopathic scientists which in turn have spawned a generation of the most intense human suffering for weapons testing efficacy the people of this planet have ever endured.

The First Documented use of Mind Reading RADAR

  In order to reduce the effects from the bombardment of the U.S. embassy in Moscow with microwaves, they put up microwave screens on the windows of the building. Oddly enough, this actually had the opposite effect of increasing the microwave intensity inside. The only way this can happen is if interferometry was being used on the embassy. If you block a path of the interfering / heterodyning wave fronts, you can lessen the destructive interference pattern thereby increasing the measurable energy. This was the first documented use of so called "scalar weapons". ...

Electron Spin Resonance (ESR)

  This is the secret sauce that the conspiracy kills to keep secret. Notice that there are no ESR machines in hospitals. Why? Because it would become immediately obvious how easy it is to read body electricity from RADAR, i.e. brain waves at a distance. The basic concept is simple and very analogous to the way Magnetic Resonance Imaging works. It works on manipulating spin and gyro frequency of electrons.

Electron Spin Polarity Resonance (EPR)

  In this imaging technique the spin polarity is measured by flipping it which adds or subtracts energy from the system. Energy must be conserved so a photon is given off if it goes to a lower energy spin state. It is "heated" during the movement to a higher energy state prepping it for a synchronized transition back to a lower energy state. The body's electricity is modulated into delayed state transitions because of the local electric field variations. This return signal is processed and the very high signal to noise EEG patterns are extracted. The sensitivity is truly "science fiction" like. Even a single nerve or neuron firing can be picked up individually. This gives new meaning to Signal Intelligence.

Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)

  Very similar to the way magnetic imaging works with the spin of the nuclei of atoms with their magnetic moments. ...

Millimeter wave, Infra-red and Visible Wavelength Satellite Imaging

  This topic is self explanatory. Everyone has seen the incredible detailed infrared imaging capabilities of the military. They can see heat signatures through walls. What do haunted houses, ghosts, alien abductions, and the Bermuda Triangle have in common? Remember how the air becomes electrified before a haunting by the appearance of a poltergeist in movies inspired by this weapons testing on the public? We've busted our ghost in the machine! Remember how planes would be downed in the Bermuda Triangle because their compass needles and instruments would go haywire? Those were directed energy attacks from the Puerto Rico Radar field built in 1959. Remember all the shows about cars stalling and radio stations flipping right before an alien abduction scenario? These are all the same RADAR tricks but with varying degrees of lethality. These tricks are all done by the same technology and the usual criminals in the bowls of the beast. ...

Van Eck Hacking
  Hacking the human brain

  Computer hackers are always finding ways to zombify as many machines as they can. This means that they find a way to hack into your system and install remote control software of some sort. The Military's programs, called Zombie I-V, were similar in goal. They wanted to be able to hack into people's minds and create remote controlled zombies. They succeeded over 30 years ago and the technology is now close to perfected. There is a stalking phenomenon occurring in America and around the world. Read "Terrorist Stalking in America" for another perspective.

  There are three kinds of stalkers one of which have been released by the freedom of information act documents that describe government stalking programs, or goon squads as they are called in slang. CIA and other agencies training their employees for intimidation tactics abroad and in the US are one form of the members of terrorist stalking gangs. The CIA has used these tactics to help overthrow governments and intimidate leaders of other countries many times in history.

  The second purpose is to play into society's programming that people who think government agents are following them are crazy. Discrediting an individual through mud slinging, black mail, or erratic behavior has been a high priority documented skill for these agencies.

  The other two types of stalkers are more dopes and victims of zombification. The global system, TAMI, can hone in on a compatible mind and instantly be able to manipulate it to some varying degree dependent upon many factors. The offense practices their trade by influencing people near a targeted individual to convey information only pertinent to them, for spy games. These people are everyday citizens unfamiliar with this high technology. The effects are so subtle without lots of training to detect, nobody would be the wiser. They would at most just question why they did that or felt the need to say that. ...

Monitoring of Life Signs and Psychic Star Wars Defenses

  So almost every human is monitored and tracked by various integrated technologies. One justification for TAMI is that a global system to monitor everyone is necessary to alert the military in case of a psychic war and protect the leaders from electromagnetic influence. But of course in reality it is used for the exact opposite purpose. Uniqueness of heartbeat and breathing patterns (list patents).

Other Star Wars Directed Energy Weapons Plans

  I have seen plans for electromagnetic rail guns for launching projectiles in space at other satellites. They use superconducting high powered magnets to accelerate projectiles faster than bullets.

Imaging the brain and other Earth objects

  From my protected sources I have seen, brain images derived from the TAMI system. I was not told how they were produced but I can reverse engineer some possibilities given what I know about surveillance capabilities. Using cognitive modeling techniques, one could construct a PET or functional MRI like image showing brain activity simply using the phase, amplitude, and frequency information from mind reading RADAR. A spectral image could be constructed based on models of brain function and an electron spin resonance topographical head map. Since the brain activity is precisely known, it could be rendered and displayed in a 3-D image. Other methods might include using sub-millimeter or Terahertz wave length RADAR or Earth Gauss MRI/ESR techniques. Incredible that this can all be done with a constellation of spy satellites or ground based phased arrays. In medicine one technique is called computed tomography or CAT scan which use x-rays to obtain image data from different angles around the body and then uses computer processing of the information to show a cross-section of body tissues and organs. X-rays are not used for obvious health reasons by the equivalent RADAR imaging but any or all wavelengths under the visible spectrum can be used to obtain a very good image of a person. The infamous HAARP phased array that stretches across Alaska is capable of Earth penetrating tomography. ...

Memory Probing

  One of the more useful aspects of this technology is the ability to probe memories. The EEG heterodyning practice attackers play the same game with all victims. They are able through two techniques to walk the victims back in time to think that they have been linked to the victim since birth. Since the capabilities of remote neural stimulation are nearly identical to electrical probes in the brain, a random neural stimulation will trigger memories. This is not used for targeted memory recall, but rather for finding and recording memory anchors for further investigation.

  Those memories are used through synthetic telepathy conversations to make the target remember other connected events. Of course direct vocal interrogation techniques can achieve the same results. Over time, this process is effective to get a complete profile of a person's life. Another tangential method used in connection with interrogations is an injected guilt signal. This forces memory recalls in conjunction with a specific memory anchor. So if you feel guilty about some particular memory, those additional memories will surface. And the last method used in these psychic games is more incredible. While the databases storing mental activity are impressive they still don't have the ability to record every human's brain activity continuously for later parsing. They instead sample activity in time and save it. They only have clips of a particular mind, throughout their life, stored for later review. This cuts down on the 1.4 Terabytes per second collective human geopsyche throughput that would be required. 1.4 Terabytes x 31,536,000 seconds in a year = 44,150 Pentabytes per year. The capabilities of computer storage will reach that soon enough for DoD budgets. So reviewing a particular targets brainwave clips, allows them to appear like they have been with the subject of experiment for their entire life through demonstration of knowledge of earlier events.

  This brings up the topic of criminal law. Think about how we could perfectly convict crimes against other people. In the movie "Minority Report", their society is able to prevent all premeditated violence. Only crimes of passion continue to be unstoppable. What a shame our government keeps this technology secret for pathetic military and spy uses.

Re: damn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287089)

No, you cannot image something smaller than the wavelength of the light you are using. They use spectrography to figure out what composition of molecules emitted the light.

Re:damn (2)

pepty (1976012) | about 3 months ago | (#47288289)

So put on a tin foil cap to protect yourself from the big bad brain imaging satellite. I suggest making it cone shaped.

Re:damn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47286667)

you're a fucking nigger and you know it. ape neurons are not worth exploring.

Re:damn (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287179)

couldn't they technically observe whether my brain has neurons...

I very much doubt they are going to observe any of those in your brain.

Re:damn (1)

blackpaw (240313) | about 4 months ago | (#47287335)

Wow. Just wow,

Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (1)

callahan2211 (1963904) | about 4 months ago | (#47286695)

I watched video, rather un-exciting. Spectators were 12km away. The MC said the sound would take about a minute to reach viewing audience, but I never heard explosion.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (2)

Ford Prefect (8777) | about 4 months ago | (#47286879)

The Extremely Large Telescope is a compromise - what they really wanted was the 100m-diameter Overwhelmingly Large Telescope. [wikipedia.org]

Their naming committees are either entirely humourless or gloriously taking the piss.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (1)

GoodNewsJimDotCom (2244874) | about 4 months ago | (#47286991)

They could have called it a "Delightfully Overwhelming Large Telescope" if they put half a heart into it. And why stop at Very Large, it could be a "Breathtakingly Large Telescope."

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287031)

Not As Large As Your Mom But Still Large Telescope.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (1)

Trepidity (597) | about 3 months ago | (#47287607)

I believe after a certain point the naming convention wraps around into understatement: the next largest telescope after the Overwhelmingly Large Telescope will be the Pretty Big Telescope.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47287715)

Coulda called it Big Fucking Telescope.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (1)

geniice (1336589) | about 3 months ago | (#47287503)

I think it is political. When you need a name that doesn't favour any member of the ESO references to its size are the best option. I guess ESO 39.3 meter telescope would be about the only other option.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 3 months ago | (#47287603)

it's negotiation tactics. now the choosers didn't choose the most expensive.

next up is of course proposing to build the humongous laughably large telescope and settling for the overwhelmingly large.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (1)

Richard Kirk (535523) | about 4 months ago | (#47292161)

The 'OWL' was the first telescope in this series of names as far as I know. I think all the others since have been given 'OWL' like names.

It's a bit unfair to say the 'OWL' project was cancelled because it was really only a feasibility study, and back in the 1980's rather a bonkers one at that. When people started working with computer-controlled segmented mirrors, it because clear that you could make a huge mirror from almost flat segments of glass. So the next step was to see whether you could make a moving and pointing telescope the size of the Great Pyramid. Over they years that 'OWL' wasn't built, the design was improved and it became clear that it was practical to make telescopes between 20m and 100m. Much bigger than 100m, and you probably have to go into space, to avoid the problems of weight, and atmosphere.

One day they may build the 'OWL' on the Antarctica dome, and you will have the finest seeing of all earth-bound telescopes, ever, and there is no point building any others unless you want to look North. The 'ELT' is a nice compromise: it's in Chile and not down by the South Pole which can be as hard to get to as space, and it's bloody big but it leaves something for our kids to do. Yay.

Re:Next in pipeline: Honking Humugous Telescope (1)

Ford Prefect (8777) | about 4 months ago | (#47296081)

+1, Interesting.

(Thanks!)

Early 2020s? (3, Interesting)

NixieBunny (859050) | about 4 months ago | (#47286703)

Based on how long most of these big telescope projects end up taking, I'd expect late 2020s for it to become usable. We'll see.

Re:Early 2020s? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 4 months ago | (#47287379)

Good guess, it matches the summary quite well - "in 10 years will begin to explore the origins of the universe". ;)

Re:Early 2020s? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47287723)

Will it be able to see the Big Creation?

Re:Early 2020s? (1)

GNious (953874) | about 3 months ago | (#47287565)

First Light slated for 2022, regular operation later.

Expect a grand First Light party, not dissimilar to First Frost parties (gifts optional)

capturing 14 times more light than existing telesc (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47286717)

question: " ...capturing 14 times more light than existing telescope" on Earth, or including in orbit?

Re:capturing 14 times more light than existing tel (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47286743)

Considering how it should be trivial to make a telescope that's by some magnitude bigger and more powerful than anything we could possibly send into orbit, I somehow fail to understand the question?

Re: capturing 14 times more light than existing te (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287047)

I understand the question perfectly. Is this better than a space based telescope? It's valid question.

Re: capturing 14 times more light than existing te (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287139)

No you don't understand the question. The question was whether it will capture 14 times more light than an existing space telescope. It's a valid question, but it's easy to guess the right answer with the basic knowledge that launching things is hard and that the atmosphere is transparent to visible light.

Re: capturing 14 times more light than existing te (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287193)

I understand

I do not think you do.

Re:capturing 14 times more light than existing tel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287149)

Considering how it should be trivial to make a telescope that's by some magnitude bigger and more powerful than anything we could possibly send into orbit, I somehow fail to understand the question?

You don't understand the concept of light collection efficiency through the earths atmosphere, compared to, not through the earths atmosphere? you sound like a fucking twat.

Re:capturing 14 times more light than existing tel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287231)

Software and cheap imaging fixed that years ago. No need for 1960's metal tubes filled with kerosene burning out one end.

Luddite.

Re: capturing 14 times more light than existing te (1)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | about 3 months ago | (#47287493)

You don't fix bad data with software. You just express how you're going to make due with what you have.

Re: capturing 14 times more light than existing te (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 months ago | (#47287923)

Actually, that's exactly what is being done.

A laser beam is sent through the atmosphere and its dispersion is calculated, then the telescope mirrors are realigned microscopically to compensate. Think of it as some kind of "telescope glasses". The results are incredible.

Re:capturing 14 times more light than existing tel (1)

itzly (3699663) | about 4 months ago | (#47287331)

At an altitude of 10000 ft, where they are building the telescope, there's not a lot of atmosphere left, and because it's in a remote desert area, the atmosphere is usually very clear.

Re:capturing 14 times more light than existing tel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47290591)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_optical_reflecting_telescopes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_optical_telescopes_historically

geez, sorry I asked.

The worlds largest optical/near-IR telescope (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47286751)

As cool as it is to see this finally start construction, this won't be the worlds largest telescope when completed, it will be the largest one designed to work at optical/near-infrared wavelengths. The worlds largest single dish telescope is still the Green Bank Telescope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bank_Telescope), which at 100m is ~6x the size. But it's a radio telescope, and it's a lot easier to build large radio telescopes than large optical ones because the surface doesn't need to be as precise.

Re:The worlds largest optical/near-IR telescope (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 4 months ago | (#47286819)

The worlds largest fully steerable single dish telescope is still the Green Bank Telescope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bank_Telescope), which at 100m is ~6x the size

FTFY

Re:The worlds largest optical/near-IR telescope (2)

TechnoGrl (322690) | about 4 months ago | (#47286851)

Annnnndddd wrong . Without regard to the annoying pedantry involved in conflating a radio telescope with an optical telescope, of which this article is obviously about, it is in fact the Arecibo radio-telescope which is the largest radio telescope, neither of which has jack to do with this article.

Re:The worlds largest optical/near-IR telescope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287209)

Oh Zing! You go girl!

Re:The worlds largest optical/near-IR telescope (2)

Ford Prefect (8777) | about 4 months ago | (#47286871)

The worlds largest single dish telescope is still the Green Bank Telescope (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bank_Telescope), which at 100m is ~6x the size.

World's largest fully-steerable single-dish telescope - the Arecibo Observatory [wikipedia.org] is larger still at a diameter of 300m! (Impressive Arecibo exploration video here [youtube.com] . The thing's sodding enormous.)

I went looking for the largest diameter multi-dish radio telescope. It looks like the biggest terrestrial 'telescope' is the Global VLBI system created by combining the European VLBI Network [wikipedia.org] with the US Very Long Baseline Array [wikipedia.org] - it's like some massive team of superheroes combining to save the Earth from some terrible secret of space. Or whatever. Apparently they can also add space-based telescopes when that just isn't enough. Which, quite frankly, is showing off...

My thoughts when seeing one of the beautiful, 10m diameter Keck optical telescopes [wikipedia.org] up close a few years ago? I've had full control of a telescope bigger than that [phys.org] .

Radio Astronomers: Compensating For Something.

Re:The worlds largest optical/near-IR telescope (2)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 4 months ago | (#47286911)

World's largest fully-steerable single-dish telescope - the Arecibo Observatory [wikipedia.org] is larger still at a diameter of 300m! (Impressive Arecibo exploration video here [youtube.com] .

I guess "fully steerable" means "within ~20 of zenith" to you. But that's not what the rest of the world considers "fully steerable".

Re:The worlds largest optical/near-IR telescope (1)

Ford Prefect (8777) | about 4 months ago | (#47286985)

I guess "fully steerable" means "within ~20 of zenith" to you. But that's not what the rest of the world considers "fully steerable".

Oops. That was in reference to his Green Bank Telescope link - Arecibo being only partially steerable...

Shedding some light (1, Informative)

DanielRavenNest (107550) | about 4 months ago | (#47286863)

> The telescope will shed light on the 'dark ages' of the universe,

No, actually the telescope will *collect* light from the dark ages of the universe. If it shed light it would be the world's biggest fucking flashlight.

If you want to be pedantic, it *will* shed light, from several lasers mounted on the sides of the telescope structure. Those create artificial stars in the upper atmosphere so that atmospheric distortion can be cancelled by the adaptive optics. But those are attachments, not the main telescope.

https://www.eso.org/public/arc... [eso.org]

Re:Shedding some light (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47286953)

Your post only proves that two pedantic statements are worse than one.

Re:Shedding some light (1)

pitchpipe (708843) | about 4 months ago | (#47287327)

> The telescope will shed light on the 'dark ages' of the universe,

No, actually the telescope will *collect* light from the dark ages of the universe. If it shed light it would be the world's biggest fucking flashlight.

Being a pedant is hard these days.

It will metaphorically 'shed' light on the dark ages of the universe by collecting the light from said dark age.

Of course following Muphry's law I've probably made some mistake in my post.

Re:Shedding some light (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 3 months ago | (#47287665)

Of course following Muphry's law I've probably made some mistake in my post.

If only you'd said "definitely" - then by not making a mistake you would have made a mistake.

Re: Shedding some light (1)

Trinn (523103) | about 3 months ago | (#47289419)

...how did you miss Muphry? :-P

Re: Shedding some light (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about 3 months ago | (#47289913)

Because it wasn't wrong [wikipedia.org] .

Re: Shedding some light (1)

Trinn (523103) | about 3 months ago | (#47290023)

...the more you know! Thanks!

Re:Shedding some light (2)

arse maker (1058608) | about 3 months ago | (#47287529)

*Whoosh* - The sound of a metaphor going over your head.

Re:Shedding some light (1)

amanaplanacanalpanam (685672) | about 3 months ago | (#47287889)

If it shed light it would be the world's biggest fucking flashlight.

I fail to see how a Fleshlight shed's light.

Re:Shedding some light (1)

amanaplanacanalpanam (685672) | about 3 months ago | (#47287893)

*sheds

Adjectives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47286999)

Can we use the Extremely Large Telescope to obseve the Huge Large Quasar Group?

Re:Adjectives (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 3 months ago | (#47287415)

I just hope it doesn't discover the Goatse Nebula, or the Goatse Galaxy.

Actually, it would be pretty damn hilarious if either of those were actually out there somewhere in the vast cosmos.

Re:Adjectives (1)

cellocgw (617879) | about 3 months ago | (#47287949)

I just hope it doesn't discover the Goatse Nebula, or the Goatse Galaxy.

You can see it in the image collected. Just bend over a bit more to get closer to the monitor...

Re:Adjectives (1)

Scarletdown (886459) | about 3 months ago | (#47289119)

Just as long as I don't have to see Uranus... [youtube.com]

Good to see the Republicans defeated (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287119)

They've opposed this for years because their kind doesn't believe that space exists. They consider telescopes an insult to their xian religion.

Skies in Chile... (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about 4 months ago | (#47287137)

... are the best in the world for star-gazing. Chile Chill [eso.org] video showing the Chilean night sky....

Incorrect link in TFS... (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | about 4 months ago | (#47287191)

The Very Large Telescope (linked in TFS) has been in service for some years... the telescope under construction is the European Extremely Large Telescope [eso.org] .

Re:Incorrect link in TFS... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287343)

If the S in TFS is for summary, I for one, would like to know when the definition of "summary" changed to "a pasted copy of all but the final 3 sentences of the article". It is almost like we were tricked into reading the article...well most of it.

And the assumption that the presence of "extraterrestrial life" depends on oxygen, seems to constrain life out there to being very much like life here.

big thing go boom? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47287371)

Is it a terrorist target yet?

Re:big thing go boom? (1)

pepty (1976012) | about 3 months ago | (#47288329)

In an action movie or like for reals?

Not good without a video (1)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | about 3 months ago | (#47287509)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] There, what good is the news of people blasting a mountain top off without video of the actual deed?

Blasting (1)

PPH (736903) | about 3 months ago | (#47288799)

close to 20 kilometers (12 miles) upwind from Cerro Paranal, the mountain where the predecessor of the E-ELT is in operation.

FTFY.

We don't want to find extra-terrestrial life (1)

X10 (186866) | about 3 months ago | (#47289425)

Or rather, we don't want them to find us. Because they most probably are milions of years ahead of us and they'll see us as animals, not as intelligent life.

first, remove the mountain top (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47299041)

your intelligence is right up there with the coal mining industry. will you also tell us there will be no environmental impact?

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