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ICANN CEO Wants To Make Progress On Leaving US Control

Soulskill posted about a month ago | from the don't-you-love-us-anymore dept.

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itwbennett writes: ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadé hopes to make progress on preparations to take over running the world's central DNS servers from the U.S. government's National Telecommunications and Information Agency when the organization meets in London next week. 'I think this is a meeting where the ICANN community has to deal with the fact, the good fact, that its relationship with the U.S. government, which characterized its birth, its existence and growth, has now run its course,' Chehadé said.

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Internet growing up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290305)

n/t

Re: Internet growing up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290313)

NSA was the final straw

Landlord that peeks through the keyhole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290351)

The relationship between the United States of America and Internet is like those of a landlord and property renter

What NSA did was akin to the landlord peeking through the keyhole, spying on the privacy on those who stay inside

Re:Landlord that peeks through the keyhole (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290709)

And this does NOTHING to stop the problem, just gives them less transparency.

TLD's like Namecoin's ".bit" are the main solution so you don't rely on single points of failure.

Re:Landlord that peeks through the keyhole (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a month ago | (#47293213)

Right, something distributed and secure is badly needed.

Namecoin didn't solve the domain squatting issue though. I'm not sure it's solvable.

Re:Landlord that peeks through the keyhole (2)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about a month ago | (#47291187)

The relationship between the United States of America and Internet is like those of a landlord and property renter

true true... one of the most insightful comments I read on slashdot after the snowden thing was that we should all act as if the internet were a military installation and we were guests.

Re:Landlord that peeks through the keyhole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47292645)

Governments of the Industrial World, you weary giants of flesh and steel...

You have no moral right to rule us nor do you possess any methods of enforcement we have true reason to fear.

Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. You have neither solicited nor received ours. We did not invite you. You do not know us, nor do you know our world. Cyberspace does not lie within your borders. Do not think that you can build it, as though it were a public construction project. You cannot. It is an act of nature and it grows itself through our collective actions.

You have not engaged in our great and gathering conversation, nor did you create the wealth of our marketplaces. You do not know our culture, our ethics, or the unwritten codes that already provide our society more order than could be obtained by any of your impositions.

You claim there are problems among us that you need to solve. You use this claim as an excuse to invade our precincts. Many of these problems don't exist. Where there are real conflicts, where there are wrongs, we will identify them and address them by our means. We are forming our own Social Contract . This governance will arise according to the conditions of our world, not yours. Our world is different. ...

Our identities have no bodies, so, unlike you, we cannot obtain order by physical coercion. We believe that from ethics, enlightened self-interest, and the commonweal, our governance will emerge . Our identities may be distributed across many of your jurisdictions. The only law that all our constituent cultures would generally recognize is the Golden Rule. We hope we will be able to build our particular solutions on that basis. But we cannot accept the solutions you are attempting to impose. ...

You are terrified of your own children, since they are natives in a world where you will always be immigrants. Because you fear them, you entrust your bureaucracies with the parental responsibilities you are too cowardly to confront yourselves. In our world, all the sentiments and expressions of humanity, from the debasing to the angelic, are parts of a seamless whole, the global conversation of bits. We cannot separate the air that chokes from the air upon which wings beat. ...

We will spread ourselves across the Planet so that no one can arrest our thoughts.

We will create a civilization of the Mind in Cyberspace. May it be more humane and fair than the world your governments have made before.
Davos, Switzerland
February 8, 1996

Be careful on swapping landlords though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291695)

Right now, the US is beholden to popularity. If they do something unpopular, there is always the club over their heads about the control of the Net moving to the UN.

However, lets think a moment about this. Yes, the NSA might peep through the keyhole (and got caught), but what about a landlord who doesn't like your race, religion, sexual preference, or the fact that you have an "I love DOS" bumper sticker, and the landlord kicking you out without warning, taking your rent, and telling you to blow him or sue him?

If control of the Internet moves to the UN, instead of the US, your Internet presence will live or die to fall to the whims of the loudest and most belligerent, extreme, and brutal parties who make the most noise. They can shut your site down because it doesn't confirm to other country's religious beliefs, and there is no way to ever appeal it. Right now, if the US shut down a Russian site, it would be considered an act of war [1].

Now, if the UN does this, there is nothing any country can do. They are completely and utterly fucked, other than maybe having their own, separate Internet structure like Iran has. The only recourse is banging a shoe in a UN meeting and making some type of political trade to get access restored.

So, don't wish for something unless you know the ramifications. Your favorite sites might be labelled as violating some religion's tenants or laws in some other country and pulled off the Internet without any form of recourse.

[1]: Want to know why SOPA/PIPA got shelved? Various countries made it clear that dropping their sites will be treated the exact same way as a naval blockade, and would be responded as such.

Re:Landlord that peeks through the keyhole (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a month ago | (#47293203)

That's understating it. What the NSA did was more like setting up spy camera's in every room.

Re: Internet growing up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290377)

Wow! Another NSA post, that's so original. Where were you in the 1990s when the Communications Decency Act outlawed porn? Right, not born yet. You were conceived while your parents were frantically downloading porn during the Great Cyberporn Panic of 1995. You owe your existence to Internet censorship.

Re: Internet growing up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290417)

Yeah the 90ies. Where people believed they could regulate internet.

Re: Internet growing up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291743)

Um...

You can regulate the Internet.

China is doing a damn good job of doing so. Try using a VPN, and it gets blocked within minutes.

Lets be real here... the CDA was going to be a lot worse than it was when it passed (and struck down.) In its original incarnation, if packets -passed through- a computer, it meant that every single person from the sender to the receiver would go to prison for a long time... for saying the word "fuck". It also had an amendment that if one sent encrypted communication, the parties would have to prove the message did not have anything obscene in it, or go to prison (good luck proving a negative.)

Be happy that we had judges (and a SCOTUS) that saw through the bullshit, or else we would all be looking at an AOL-like login before being able to access anything on the Web.

just cut the cables (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290311)

Cut all the cables connecting the US to the Internet. It'll be fun to see what breaks, eh.

Re:just cut the cables (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290333)

Underestimating the bandwidth of a cargo container full of backup tapes....

Re:just cut the cables (-1)

NotInHere (3654617) | about a month ago | (#47290465)

How much is that in Library of Congress?

Re:just cut the cables (1)

LazyBoot (756150) | about a month ago | (#47292875)

Bandwidth would probably be ok, but the ping times would be horrible...

Re:just cut the cables (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47292105)

Not much of anything of any value that people in the rest of the world cant fix , American 'culture; isnt worth anything.

The submitter is on crack. RTFA. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290321)

The article is NOT about the DNS, although it is certainly about something extremely important: IANA.

NTIA (US gov agency) *asked* ICANN to provide a plan for the *stewardship* of IANA to move to ICANN.

ICANN is already the IANA *functions* contractor (i.e. it takes care of the operational arm of IANA), _and_ the global DNS coordinator.

That's it.

Re:The submitter is on crack. RTFA. (5, Informative)

manu0601 (2221348) | about a month ago | (#47290813)

Please mod parent up.. From TFA:

those who want to replace the U.S. government with new oversight structure, an idea that [ICANN CEO] vehemently opposes

However, IF it were about DNS? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291259)

Here's a FREE way to secure vs. DNS' redirect issues (w/ something you natively already have per points "B" & "C" below):

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than:

1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected DNS (& even allow you to overcome redirects on sites like /. beta as an example thereof, here on THIS site, easily).

+

Secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more:

1.) Speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote DNS)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable DNS, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ ISP level + weak vs FastFlux + DynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + DNSBL's).

---

* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ OS, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

** Addons are more complex + slowup browsers & in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) & are EASILY detected by native browser methods - which is why CLARITYRAY is destroying AdBlock.

*** Addons slowdown SLOWER usermode browsers layering on MORE - & bloating memory consumption too + hugely excessive CPU usage (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] )

Work w/ what you natively have in kernelmode via hosts (A tightly integrated PART of the IP stack itself)

APK

P.S.=> Enjoy...

...apk

Re: However, IF it were about DNS? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47293507)

You should try plugging your hosts file using a different marketing copy on here. I think this one is a little too ADHDish.

Maybe something more classic like:

- Computer problems got you down? Tired of spyware and annoying ads? I've got a solution that doesn't require any software, it's simply a file that is already natively on your computer, only I've improved it!

You've got it, & me, wrong... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47293643)

Not selling anything: It's free, & it works (better by FAR than any inferior "so-called 'competition'" I listed in fact on MULTIPLE levels in added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity + far more efficiently as well, again on multiple levels (RAM usage, CPU usage, electrical power usage, & also the ring of privelege it operates from... undetectable (almost) vs. browser addons, which are EASY to detect using native browser methods... it's part of how/why ClarityRay is DESTROYING "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" - & yes, I call it that because it is massively inferior, & 'souled-out' as well, crippled by default)).

* You can make your snide insinuations all you like (the ADHD bit) - that only makes you another effete illogical off-topic troll... nothing more, & nothing I + facts I use, can't EASILY handle.

  I'm only giving folks what they want (& need, especially in today's online world) - it's doing the RIGHT thing, gratis, since I have the ability to do so sharing my good work with others...

APK

P.S.=> So - *IF* doing what's decent on my part is "wrong" according to trolls around here, regarding what goes on in today's online world, I guess that's why they call me 'crazy' etc. - et al... I don't see it that way @ all: I'm the sane one in a crazy world, they're the scum threatened by my CLEARLY SUPERIOR methods is all, & they tip their hands every single time they troll/harass me (revealing themselves as malware-makers/botnet-masters, advertisers, webmasters (whom I held off releasing the app for mind you, until the "malware explosion" got to be TOO much & INSIDE ADBANNERS no less, negligence abounds), & yes - inferior competitors)...

... apk

Re: You've got it, & me, wrong... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47293803)

AC from above here.

I wasn't trying to belittle what you are promoting.

I haven't actually used your hosts file but if that is the solution you are toting then I agree 100% that it is a superior method than software and browser add-ons.

All I was saying was that the bold on and off is a quite flashy ("ADHDish") in some of your posts and may dissuade people from trying your creation.

That's all. If you still think I'm being snide towards you then you can gfy. But if not, carry on. Was merely offering a suggestion.

Fair enough, & why... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47294197)

Let's assume (ordinarily I won't, but will in YOUR case) you aren't being snide/wise etc. - et al: You feel I am overusing the "bold" parts... ok - I'll take that suggestion & amend it for my next time(s) I post this then.

That's easy enough & I *do* try to give folks what they want IF it doesn't conflict with my intentions (which ARE good).

"I haven't actually used your hosts file but if that is the solution you are toting then I agree 100% that it is a superior method than software and browser add-ons." - by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 22, 2014 @01:42PM (#47293803)

Well... it's NOT really "my hostsfile" - it's composition is derived from a dozen sources in the security community & they're ABSOLUTELY current vs. malicious threats of ALL KINDS out there (including advertisers with their adbanners that rob your speed/bandwidth but have also been CAUGHT RED-HANDED with "loaded" adbanners - perhaps NOT intentionally, but caught so nonetheless (I have literally DOZENS of examples thereof since 2004 in fact, documented)).

I am GLAD to see you see the superior value inherent in custom hosts files though... "great minds, think alike".

On my reaction?

Heh - ask anyone here how often I am outright attacked, facts I use notwithstanding, on said posts of mine... it's nigh constant, but I am certain of which "parties" are behind it, & stated it to you here earlier.

APK

P.S.=> Thanks (if you're being sincere, & I think you are - with good intentions) - I truly WILL 'tone down' on the bolding then - that doesn't harm me in the least to cater to such a demand... apk

Amended version (less bold): Opinion? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47294293)

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A. ) Hosts do more than:

1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B. ) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected dns (& even allow you to overcome redirects on sites like /. beta as an example thereof).

+

Secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

C. ) Hosts files yield more:

1.) Speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

---

* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

** Addons are more complex + slowup browsers & in message passing (use a few concurrently - you'll see) & are easily detected + nullified by native browser methods - which is part of how/why Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

*** Addons slowdown slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloating memory consumption too + hugely excessive cpu usage (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] )

Instead - Work w/ what you natively have in kernelmode via custom hosts files (A tightly integrated PART of the ip stack itself)

APK

P.S.=> "The premise is, quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body, rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

...apk

You've got it, & me, wrong... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47336045)

Not selling anything: It's free, & it works (better by FAR than any inferior "so-called 'competition'" I listed in fact on MULTIPLE levels in added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity + far more efficiently as well, again on multiple levels (RAM usage, CPU usage, electrical power usage, & also the ring of privelege it operates from... undetectable (almost) vs. browser addons, which are EASY to detect using native browser methods... it's part of how/why ClarityRay is DESTROYING "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" - & yes, I call it that because it is massively inferior, & 'souled-out' as well, crippled by default)).

* You can make your snide insinuations all you like (the ADHD bit) - that only makes you another effete illogical off-topic troll... nothing more, & nothing I + facts I use, can't EASILY handle.

Me?

Hey - I'm only giving folks what they want (& need, especially in today's online world), for free - it's doing the RIGHT thing, gratis, since I have the ability to do so sharing my good work with others...

APK

P.S.=> So - *IF* doing what's decent on my part is "wrong" according to trolls around here, regarding what goes on in today's online world, I guess that's why they call me 'crazy' etc. - et al... I don't see it that way @ all: I'm the sane one in a crazy world, & IF I AM WRONG? I don't WANT to be "right"...

No. My detractors are the scum threatened by my CLEARLY SUPERIOR methods is all, & they tip their hands every single time they troll/harass me & they're the 'crazy' ones if they think they can make me cancel even 1/2 a step in the process of enlightening others to the power inherent in hosts files.

(Revealing themselves as malware-makers/botnet-masters, advertisers, webmasters (whom I held off releasing the app for mind you, until the "malware explosion" got to be TOO much & INSIDE ADBANNERS no less, negligence abounds), & yes - inferior competitors))...

... apk

IANA? (1)

rossdee (243626) | about a month ago | (#47291511)

IANA ?

I Am Not A what?

Re:IANA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47303015)

Smart man

Re:The submitter is on crack. RTFA. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47293503)

This isn't about DNS, but ICANN is in charge and the whole system sucks and they have done absolutely nothing to fix it in 30+ years.
Doesn't it seem like ICANN are a bunch of greedy assholes who has sold off all the internets realestate and then magically invented more TLDs for everyone to get familiar with. They are desperately trying to keep their hands clean of all responsibility by fleeing jurisdiction.
Why is it that I have to build a brand name, hire a lawyer for $10,000, and get a court order in order to procure an unused domain name? It should be just as easy to dispute a domain name as it is to buy one.

IF it were about DNS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47294861)

This secures DNS' redirect issues per B & C below:

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of hosts' benefits enumerated in link)

Summary:

---

A.) Hosts do more than:

1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed or redirected dns (& allow you to overcome redirects on sites ala /. beta as an example thereof).

C.) Hosts secure vs. known malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity + room 4 breakdown,

D.) Hosts files yield more:

1.) Speed (blocks ads & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving mal-content + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

---

* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ a faster level (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient browser addons (slowing up slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons are more complex + slowup browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are easily nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

* Addons slowdown slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloating memory consumption too + hugely excessive cpu usage (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] )

Work w/ what you natively have in kernelmode via custom hosts files (A tightly integrated PART of the ip stack itself)

APK

P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

...apk

ICANN has changed (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290323)

ICANN, when it was started, touted itself as an organization for everyone

They even issue "membership cards" to those who registered --- I did, and still have that membership card with me

But then it changed --- changed into a bureaucracy that only listen to the power-that-be, be it the government or the corporations

Re:ICANN has changed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290519)

and that is why they should remain beholden to an organization that believes in free speech. Give you a hint,no corporations believe in it, and very few western governments do. If you don't believe me, ask the question: Is hate speech free speech?

Re:ICANN has changed (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | about a month ago | (#47292133)

If you don't believe me, ask the question: Is hate speech free speech?

"Hate Speech" doesn't exist.

Hate Speech = Whaaaaa me no like what you say......

Re:ICANN has changed (1, Insightful)

aurizon (122550) | about a month ago | (#47290539)

If the UN is any example, an independent ICAAN will turn into the corrupt instrument of the nations that compose it and will control the new ICANN and then a new regime will levy taxes on the users - and these taxes, which they will call fees, will be spent uncoltrollably to creat an edifice like the UN, 200% corrupt. THE US congress is similarly corrupt, as we see by the FVV and Internet lobbyists.

I do not know how this can be prevented, apart by not letting it fall into the control of these crooks.

That said, ICANN is already a little crooked...

Why not already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290345)

I mean, why aren't there more DNS listings? We could have ten of every domain. Chose your domain list! I mean, it's really not that tough.

Take a page from the multinationals. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290347)

Have it everywhere - follow no one county's law. Just try to do it in less a spirit of screwing everyone, everywhere.

Good initiative (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290371)

It's a good initiative that will move things to the better. The U.S can't be trusted in this position any more.

Leaving US control (0)

RPOHara (3708709) | about a month ago | (#47290381)

I predict we will look back on this transition as the end of the open Internet.

Re:Leaving US control (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a month ago | (#47293253)

The NSA was then end of the open Internet. What we really need is a distributed DNS system that can't be screwed by IANA, ICANN, the UN, or any world government. And encryption everywhere.

NSA tapped all cables (2, Troll)

Greg666NYC (3665779) | about a month ago | (#47290413)

The move is rather symbolic. Economic espionage is too important. US economy is failing, jobs are only created in financial sector and military.
Dissidents are put in jail. No wonder US has the largest number of its own population in Gitmo style jails.

Re:NSA tapped all cables (3, Informative)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a month ago | (#47290497)

The US economy is doing a damn sight better than the EU's, and most job growth is in sectors like hospitality, mining, retail, business services, etc. I don't know where you got your facts but they aren't. Aren't facts that is.

Re:NSA tapped all cables (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290563)

The US doesn't have job growth in the way you think. The majority of jobs that are created, as you said, are [low wage service sector jobs] while higher wage jobs are sent to other countries. Meanwhile the middle class and overall quality of life are in decline.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/28-signs-middle-class-heading-towards-extinction

Re:NSA tapped all cables (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | about a month ago | (#47290603)

I didn't say things are good, I said that his citing of where job growth was is flawed, as well as his overall assessment of the economy. The middle class is shrinking, this is true.

Re:NSA tapped all cables (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291267)

That must be the most biased article I have read in a while.

Re:NSA tapped all cables (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291729)

That's a load of crap. Americans are still doing better than people almost anywhere, both in absolute terms and in terms of growth. It's the low-paying jobs that are sent elsewhere.

Re:NSA tapped all cables (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a month ago | (#47293287)

The Americans I know always complain about having little or no disposable income. The Europeans I know seem to have enough disposable income to live comfortable lives. Both groups are mostly educated professional types.

Americans often repeat that they have the most freedom and the best of everything but that's not my experience. It's just different stuff, not better stuff.

A Death In The Family (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290473)

The shelf life of ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadé is measured by hours.

No even his family connection and bank accounts, THANK YOU, can save his soul.

Tough.

Re: A Death In The Family (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290499)

Infosys will save him :)

ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board members (2)

Teancum (67324) | about a month ago | (#47290535)

ICANN had the chance to really address this issue when they had the at-large members of its governing board. It would have had representatives from every continent and major group of people from the Earth, but now it is run by major corporations and a joke of an organization.

Just look up how Karl Auerbach was treated by ICANN (when he was a legal member of the board asking basic questions about its governance and finances), where he had to sue in state courts of California simply to get basic information like when meetings were being held and how its finances were being spent.

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290851)

ICANN screwed up when they started adding superfluous TLD's.

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (4, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | about a month ago | (#47291161)

The whole thing doesn't make any sense at all. Let each country do it's own DNS as it sees fit and via treaty and alliances align those DNS records as they see fit. As long as the IP address work the DNS is nothing more than simplifying address entry with a gross corporatised delusion of economic value (marketing, marketing and more marketing, brand names, squatters, sex sells, hell it even sells domain names). At the end of the day it is still up to the individual user where the hell they point the browser in domain name lookup and the major ISPs haven't even started playing the DNS name game by forcefully pointing their customers at internal DNS servers with a new for sale yet again Domain name.

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (2, Interesting)

Teancum (67324) | about a month ago | (#47291405)

Each country could.... which is sort of the reason for the country TLD code. There is even a ".us" domain for American addresses (not that it is used much, but it does exist). I suppose a country could have its DNS servers ignore .com or .mil TLD codes in favor of stuff done in its own borders, but then it wouldn't really be the internet either, would it? One way to accomplish that is to redirect .com to .com.us as is sometimes done with some other countries like .co.uk as the top level domain for UK-based businesses. It would make things confusing if it was unevenly implemented, but that is sort of the nature of the internet in the first place.

Besides, this whole thing isn't about domain names, but rather the allocation of IPv4 addresses and the big issue of IPv6 allocation. The USA got the lion share of IPV4 addresses because many American companies got them first, and back when nobody thought that there could possibly be more than four billion computers and devices on the internet, they were a whole lot more free with the allocation of the address space (like the local university where I live has a full Class-B IP block allocation... although I'm sure they've "given" a few Class-C blocks back to ICANN over the years). They don't even refer to them as Class-A, B, or C blocks any more either but rather in how many bits are in the "header", as in a /16 or a /24 block. IPv6 does the same thing.

If IP address allocation was done on a country by country basis, it would be pure confusion when computers try to connect to each other (also confusion if countries each implemented DNS records differently, but I digress on that point). The crazy thing is that the U.S. government was originally responsible for allocating both the IP addresses as well as domain names, which is how ICANN inherited the job.... as an organ of the U.S. federal government and later a California-based non-profit corporation. Other countries could invent their own version of the internet, but they wouldn't be participating on this particular network you are currently using to read this message.

If your country (presumably not the USA) wants to change that relationship, have its diplomats and political leaders negotiate something different with the U.S. government. It really is that simple, and I guess what this guy wants to do in this case too. America could give up the control it currently has in this regard, but when have you ever heard of a politician giving up political control over somebody else?

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about a month ago | (#47291725)

You kind of missed that whole treaties and alliances bit, didn't you ;). Those countries that work together will make it work, those that don't wont get to play. All the central body needs to do is register and acknowledge those treaties and alliances. The US really screwed the pooch when they nabbed .gov and .mil and so supremely arrogantly pretend like .gov.us and .mil.us don't exist to the point of not even redirecting them, as they as they are concerned they are the global government and the global military. Which is exactly why other countries need to take over .gov and .mil and locally redirect them to their own government and military. So another centralised control to be run from behind by US corporations, nah, not liking that idea much at all.

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (1)

Teancum (67324) | about a month ago | (#47294483)

You kind of missed that whole treaties and alliances bit, didn't you ;).

No, I didn't miss that. What you missed is that it is already under the control of the U.S. government, which makes such international treaties a total joke that can be thrown out the door at any time by the USA. It is up to other countries to try and negotiate through diplomatic pressure or however else to get the USA to give it up.

This includes the .mil and .gov stuff. Then again they could throw the internet protocols and standards out the window and start their own damn network too. Good luck with that.

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about a month ago | (#47295497)

It is nothing at all to do with the US, it is quite simply up to countries to legislate to local ISPs to point to local DNS servers by default and how those local DNS servers are run is up to those government. Nothing more and nothing less, so the imperialist US government can basically bugger off with it servers until such time as they come to agreement with other countries. Otherwise all those companies that invested in international but seized by US imperialist domains can complain to the US about their lost investment.

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a month ago | (#47293309)

You know the top level domains are generic don't you? The US is domain squatting ".mil" and ".gov".

".us" is the correct domain for country specific domains in the US.

Re:ICANN screwed up with the "at-large" board memb (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291665)

Ah, I don't think that's a good idea. If we had "Let each country do it's own DNS as it sees fit" then DNS itself would never have arisen. And if we permitted that now, I feel relatively certain that DNS would eventually split into mutually incompatible implementations.

If all we're talking about is the sales of DNS entries then that's no problem. However once you allow the structure of DNS, the very rules that govern the system to have multiple bosses, one per country, that's bad news. In short order the political differences between jurisdictions like Iran, Iraq, the US, Russia, China, Brazil, North Korea, and all the others will cause a splintering of the underpinnings of the internet.

There is far more benefit to having single points of regulatory and standards control (with consultation), than not. The success of the internet is all the proof we need of that.

Remember, what you're doing is something the... (2, Insightful)

Jason Goatcher (3498937) | about a month ago | (#47290713)

US government doesn't want, so don't even involve them unless you're simply telling them what you're about to do. US citizens tend to be nice people, but our government is a big gigantic predator. So do what you're gonna do, but realize the US government will only pretend to be negotiating, it's a delaying tactic.

I'm barely familiar with the facts at all, but I gaurantee I'm correct.

Be honest about the US, world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47290987)

The United States is the reason that Australia doesn't have an army. It's the reason that Israel has not preemptively attacked its neighbors.

And as much as people would like to pretend that having China (the land of censorship) and Russia (the land of oligarchs) vote on international decisions in the security council is just, most people around the world feel reassured that the strings of the world are in America's hands.

Even in France, where the phrase "Sarkozy the American" was used in 2006 to malign the presidential candidate, and where people habitually mock America for being trigger-happy and acultural, people find assurance in the fact that if something really bad happened, the Americans would come to the rescue, again.

Having the US control the central DNS servers is not perfect, but the best solution given the balance of power in the world.

Re:Be honest about the US, world (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291351)

Having the US control the central DNS servers is not perfect, but the best solution given the balance of power in the world.

I get idea that what the "Free-ICANN" rabble-rousers are trying to do is to get rid of even the last vestiges of oversight. If you're looking for corruption, ICANN management is where to look.

Captcha: sickroom

Re:Be honest about the US, world (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a month ago | (#47293337)

The United States is the reason that Australia doesn't have an army. It's the reason that Israel has not preemptively attacked its neighbors.

Australia has an Army. I've seen them.

Israel would not be in a position to preemptively attack its neighbors if the UK/US alliance didn't create that country in the first place.

uh the usa designed and built the internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291131)

uhhh... as a taxpayer in america since our govt built and designed the internet. i feel that its mine and every other taxpayers investment.

Re:uh the usa designed and built the internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47292117)

No you didnt , you built the part of the infrastructure that is in your back yard , so that is what you should control.

Re:uh the usa designed and built the internet (1)

1s44c (552956) | about a month ago | (#47293351)

So if I buy hardware from China and use an open source OS created worldwide somehow you own that?

If DARPA didn't develop IP someone else would have. Your argument makes no sense.

Monopoly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291229)

ICANN has shown itself irresponsible in looking after public interest. Instead they squeeze every buck they can out of their monopoly. Would Chehadé prefer it if ICANN was answerable to no one?

losing control over the Internet is a bad idea (1)

jsepeta (412566) | about a month ago | (#47291485)

if other nations want to limit google searches to only "favorable" found sets, then HELL NO do not give away control over the internet.

Re:losing control over the Internet is a bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47291981)

Well, the USA, that beacon of Freedom and Liberty and Stuff, already showed us how much they're worth the title: Not at all. So much so that the current situation rapidly became untenable.

So that part of the problem is that neither the US can retain it nor anyone else can have it. It's their going "NOOOOOO I DUN WANNA GIVE UP TEH INTARWEBZ" that has already cost them plenty further credibility. Now is more or less ICANN's last chance to get out before it'll be irretrievably seen as a US puppet, making balkanisation that much more likely.

I say they're already very late with this, as ICANN itself has proven to be unreliable and unfixable. They're not fit for standalone operation, but that doesn't change that no single government can be allowed to have "control over the global internet". The US should've seen this coming much, much earlier (around when Postel tried to do it, and was thwarted by the US government) as that would've given them a much surer chance to ensure that if they didn't have it, nobody would. Now? It is certainly going to smart like a global bitch, and may well be too late.

The US government is so stupid... (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | about a month ago | (#47291617)

They had such a good deal here... all they had to do was not abuse it... and the fucktards in the US federal government just couldn't help themselves.

At this point, I'd welcome the dissolution of the republic. Let all the states go off and be 50 little countries. They can reform after the fact into larger conglomerates or federations if they want. But the US fed is consuming itself with a malignant belief in its own superiority.

They're endlessly arrogant. They think no rules apply to them because they make the rules. Even when the rules say whatever they're doing is outright illegal all they do is say something to the effect of "what are you going to do about it?"... And the answer of course is nothing... no one can slap cuffs on these people because they're the ones with the cuffs. No one watches the watch men as they say.

So I'm done. I'm not pushing for anarchy or whatever... but the US federal government is cesspit... De-authorize it and start over.

And because I'm paranoid enough to assume some government spider has flagged this as possibly seditious commentary. I'm not advocating violence which would be the only justification for your heavy handed abuses of power. I'm advocating passive resistance, any and all legal challenges that can slow you down, and if all else fails "going galt"... The machine is corrupt. Wipe the drive and reinstall from the factory discs. Short of that... I'll comply as required nothing more. American patriotism is increasingly difficult to justify especially if it involves loyalty to these criminals.

Re:The US government is so stupid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47293701)

I think you are the "fucktard" because this article that you seem to think proves that federal government needs to be dissolved actually accuses the US of absolutely nothing. The article is actually about a proposal for ICANN to takeover control of IANA from the US government, and it was the US government that requested the proposal. If you read the proposal, you'll see that IANA is already a de facto part of ICANN since ICANN is the contractor that runs all IANA operations on behalf of the federal government.

Re:The US government is so stupid... (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | about a month ago | (#47293821)

Your inability to string two thoughts together in your mind and draw a line between them isn't doing you any credit here. Further, insulting me just gives me license to rip you apart with impunity... so be it.

1. The US government only lost its role due to international pressure.

Process that point please. Take your time. You're stupid so I need to be patient with you.

2. This pressure was ongoing for many years but was overwhelmed by a general feeling internationally that for all the US government's sins it was a defender of a free and open internet. It would stand as an opposition to various forces that want to limit free speech.

3. What could have possibly changed that tipped the scales?

Please think about this and feel free to make some guesses. Again, you're clearly an asshat so this will probably take some time on your part.

4. If you guessed Snowden and the NSA situation then you've guessed correctly. Good job. That issue has tipped the scales and forced the US government out of its position as arbitrator of the international DNS registries.

Now I'm sure you have more ego then integrity, I doubt you'll admit your error and will instead make a pathetic attempt to cover your mistakes by doubling down.

Its okay... really stupid people and small children do this all the time. A child with a face full of chocolate will swear he didn't touch the chocolate cake. He's just too young and stupid to know his lie is obvious and unbelievable.

Sadly, the child unlike you will probably grow up to be a competent liar while I suspect you will forever be that sad creature that just doesn't know any better.

Its not your fault... your parents are probably stupid too.

Did you enjoy that as much as I did? Don't flame people on the internet. Some of us are packing napalm.

Good day, sir.

Give it a try.. (1)

0dugo0 (735093) | about a month ago | (#47291787)

..and you'll probably die from a hearth attack shortly after.

MESHNETS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47293285)

Meshnets are the future of a free and open internet. A network created and maintained by it's users. A network whos hardware and ability is owned by individuals. The seeds have been planted and some are starting to germinate. When the current infrastructure turns into the massive pile of shit that we all see coming, people will seek an alternative. There is an alternative and it's progressing even now.

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