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The Simultaneous Rise and Decline of Battlefield

Soulskill posted about 3 months ago | from the profit-motive dept.

First Person Shooters (Games) 208

An anonymous reader writes: Ben Kuchera at Polygon recommends against buying the upcoming Battlefield Hardline first-person shooter. Not because it's bad — in fact, he doesn't really offer an opinion on how good the game is — but because it's time to stop incentivizing poor behavior from Electronic Arts and its Digital Illusions CE development studio. After EA acquired DICE, Battlefield game launches accelerated, and launch issues with each game were hand-waved away as unpredictable. The studio's principled stand against paid DLC evaporated in order to feed the ever-hungry beast of shareholder value. Kuchera says, "EA continues this because the Battlefield franchise is profitable; we as players have taught them that we'll buy anyway, and continue to support games that don't work at launch." He suggests avoiding pre-orders, and only buying the game if and when it's in a playable (and fun) state. "Every dollar that's spent on Hardline before the game comes out is a vote for things continuing down an anti-consumer path. If the game is a hit before its launch, that sends a message that we're OK with business as usual, and business as usual has become pretty terrible."

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Haha, nobody will do this. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309403)

They'll keep buying the games as fast as EA pushes them out.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (4, Interesting)

ZahrGnosis (66741) | about 3 months ago | (#47309625)

I did it. I loved BF3, but I didn't pick up 4 and I won't be picking up Hardline because of EA. In addition to everything the original article mentions, most of which I agree with, one thing not mentioned in the original article is the pay-to-have-everything (which is not "Pay-to-win" only in a very strict sense, but that doesn't make it right).

I don't mind these companies making money, but they do it at the expense of loyal customers, rather than in support of them... I don't think it's a good long-term practice, but that's just me. But it's definitely not nobody.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (1)

Mephistophocles (930357) | about 3 months ago | (#47309733)

Roger, same here. I just don't "need" new games bad enough to eat their bullshit, and regardless there are other studios out there who don't practice this screw-the-customer-at-every-turn routine. It's typical corporate greed - yes, they can do everything just short of actually sending a goon to your house to rape you and your dog, and there will still be plenty of people who buy their crap and they'll still make a profit. But I don't have to be one of them.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (2)

dow (7718) | about 3 months ago | (#47310191)

I also decided not to buy BF4, and have been playing Battlefield as part of a clan since BF2 was popular, every game and every expansion pack. I joked to my friends that I would be back for Battlefield 5 in around 12 months time. When Hardline was revealed, I realised I would probably never return to Battlefield.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310293)

I played a lot of BF1942, BF:V, BF2, and BF3, but by the time BF3 hit, it was clear that Battlefield was heading down the Call of Duty yearly-release-with-day-one-DLC road, and I'm just not alright with that. To wit, I have yet to buy (and will never buy) any of BF3's five(!) DLC packages.

Multiplayer ends (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#47310567)

I just don't "need" new games bad enough to eat their bullshit

You do if your machine can't find other machines running the same game because the matchmaking servers have been permanently shut down [slashdot.org] .

Re:Multiplayer ends (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310767)

You have a point, but it still doesn't rise to the level of "need".

Another lost customer (3, Interesting)

melting_clock (659274) | about 3 months ago | (#47309931)

I have bought pretty much every PC release of Battlefield. BF3 was the low point for me, with regular connectivity issues ruining the game, include a long period of EA blaming a DDoS attack. It is painful to be kicked off of server part way through a round because the DRM lost connection to EA servers... There were more in game bugs than an previous release. Origin is an added annoyance. The fact that I had spent $1000 upgrading my gaming PC for BF3 didn't help.

BF4 seems to be been rushed out well before it should have been and was full of in game bugs, like invisible objects, constant crashes under a range of conditions, more connectivity issues. It is only fairly recently that most of these have been fixed.

No release has been immune to aimbots and other hacks but the inclusion of a kill cam did give some amusing views of them in action. I remember being killed by someone shooting from one end of the map to the other in BF3, with their shots needing to go through several walls and floors to get me. This happened many times in several rounds and the useless cheater detection never picked them up. The number of glitches that allowed players to get outside the map to either sneak around or kill those inside the map was amazing.

After two releases I regret wasting my time and money on, I've decided to blacklist EA and DICE on all platforms. The positive side is that it got me to buy several games on Steam, including a few nice cross platform games that I play on Linux. I am not going to miss EA or their Origin crap.

The other DICE (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#47310577)

I've decided to blacklist EA and DICE on all platforms.

Are you also planning to blacklist DICE on the web [diceholdingsinc.com] ?

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (4, Insightful)

Algae_94 (2017070) | about 3 months ago | (#47310745)

I don't mind these companies making money, but they do it at the expense of loyal customers, rather than in support of them... I don't think it's a good long-term practice, but that's just me.

Funny thing is your average hard drug dealer does the same thing. They make money at the detriment of their loyal customers. They know they'll keep coming back because they are horribly addicted and have nothing else to do. If they eventually do lose a customer, they find a new crowd of young customers that haven't gone through the cycle as many times to get jaded.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (1)

Penguinisto (415985) | about 3 months ago | (#47309801)

They'll keep buying the games as fast as EA pushes them out.

Only for so long. Crap on your customers long enough with shoddy products, and eventually they avoid all of your products. See also Microsoft Windows in the mobile realm; where once they had a huge chunk of mobile device OS marketshare (viz. WinCE), they now have a share that is barely larger than statistical noise (2.1% by the most charitable metric I could find on short notice).

I can see EA losing their grip in a couple of years. After all, you can only crap out so many iterations of "Madden", no?

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (1)

un1nsp1red (2503532) | about 3 months ago | (#47310601)

You can shit out infinite iterations when you have exclusive locks on sports leagues (re: Madden) [nbcsports.com] .

War-themed first-person shooters, however, are a different story.

You'll need to shut down the NFL first (1)

tepples (727027) | about 3 months ago | (#47310619)

After all, you can only crap out so many iterations of "Madden", no?

As long as NFL players keep being drafted and retiring, and as long as players want to play as the home team as it exists this year, EA will be able to get away with issuing annually updated versions of Madden NFL. If you want to shut down Madden, you'll have to first shut down college football long enough that the NFL loses its farm system. You could try the CTE (chronic traumatic encephalopathy) angle.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 3 months ago | (#47310625)

OT, but you didn't look very hard at all, then. The very first links on Google for "Smartphone Market Share" show WP with 3.2-3.3% for Q1 2014, and on a rising trajectory. (https://www.comscore.com/Insights/Market-Rankings/comScore-Reports-March-2014-US-Smartphone-Subscriber-Market-Share). The top (non-Wikipedia) link on Bing for the same search is less precise but says 3%. (http://www.cio.com/article/751867/U.S._Smartphone_Market_Share_Numbers_for_Q1_2014). Those are US numbers; the European numbers are significantly higher. It's still the third-place platform, but it *is* third place behind the two giants.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (1)

OakDragon (885217) | about 3 months ago | (#47310325)

If the game is "good enough" (i.e., the consumer weighs the good vs. bad and the good comes out on top), it will be bought. No need to punish EA if you're fine with what they're doing.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310679)

Nope, I opted out after my experience with BF3. Still haven't bought BF4 and don't plan to. Definitely won't bother with Hardline.

The problem with all the paid map packs is that it fractures the player base and massively lowers the server populations. Even if you can afford everything, not everyone can. So the game quickly segments because not everyone is running the same maps. If you have the vanilla maps and back to karkand, you can play on vanilla servers and b2k servers. But you can't play on servers running the other map packs. And people who don't own B2K can't play with you when you're on a server that runs B2K maps. So no matter where you go, you don't have as many choices as if everyone was part of the same map-owning population.

One other bad idea was introducing such an intense equipment/weapon grind in BF3, because even though it got me to play BF3 a lot more, it also soured me on the entire idea of playing the game going forward. Most of my memories of BF3 are of grinding out weapons on high ticket Metro Meatgrinder servers. In my memory, most of the game was dominated by grinding instead of playing. There was grinding in BF2, but it was a grand total of half a dozen weapons and everyone had them all pretty quickly. There weren't 20 different attachments for each weapon and 30 different subtly different assault rifles, etc. Maybe it made the gameplay less varied, but in BF2 people mostly just focused on playing the game instead of grinding unlocks. The medal grinding in BF2 didn't seem as big an annoyance.

Re:Haha, nobody will do this. (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about 3 months ago | (#47310821)

This cant be 5 insightful is its 100% wrong. and you are. I haven't bought a battlefield game extra pack at all. They took away the people who not only pay for the games but pay for the servers to play the games ability to make user made mods it was a great time. Not only that but the game is getting away from its roots wit the next one a crime fighting battlefield??? HAHAHAHHA they just might as well just have aliens invade the earth. I would love to see them make or even remake the older WW2 battlefields that would be badass with the technology we have now as apposed to what it was at the beginning. But at any rate your hah nobody will do this is wrong.

Or Be an Adult (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309407)

And stop playing games.

Re:Or Be an Adult (4, Insightful)

war4peace (1628283) | about 3 months ago | (#47309563)

Adults don't stop playing games. As a matter of fact, humans never stop playing games throughout their entire lives. Haven't you seen old men playing chess or backgammon? Football, soccer, even courting are all games. Even haggling is a game in a certain sense.

Re:Or Be an Adult (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310015)

I guess you are right after all. I cancel my comment.

Re:Or Be an Adult (4, Interesting)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about 3 months ago | (#47309891)

"We don't stop playing because we grow old, we grow old when we stop playing"

"Inciting" (0)

XanC (644172) | about 3 months ago | (#47309417)

Not "incentivizing". "Inciting".

Re:"Inciting" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309461)

Um, incentivising is probably exactly the word they meant to use, and it makes sense.

Re:"Inciting" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309551)

Only because we believe "incentivize" is a verb, when "incentive" is a noun from the original verb, "incite". This is similar to the word "burglarized", a verb from the noun "burglar", which is from the original verb "burgle". Just as you can always properly use "burgle" when someone uses "burglarize", you can also use "incite" whenever someone uses "incentivize". You'll be "more" proper using the original verb, but you'll be less recognized...

Re:"Inciting" (4, Informative)

Stormy Dragon (800799) | about 3 months ago | (#47309871)

This isn't true.

Etymology of "incentive" [merriam-webster.com] :

Middle English, from Late Latin incentivum, from neuter of incentivus stimulating, from Latin, setting the tune, from incentus, past participle of incinere to play (a tune), from in- + canere to sing

Etymology of "incite" [merriam-webster.com] :

Middle French inciter, from Latin incitare, from in- + citare to put in motion

The two words come from completely different Latin roots and arrived in English from completely different sources.

Re:"Inciting" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309879)

Semantic drift renders "incite" and "incentivize" to have two different meanings. e.g. You incite someone with emotion, but you incentivize them with cash.

"Burgle" and "burglarize" haven't met the same fate, though.

Re:"Inciting" (1)

istartedi (132515) | about 3 months ago | (#47310013)

In common usage, "incentivize" is somewhat neutral, wheras "incite" has connotations of hatred and/or violence. Just googling around a bit, I even pulled up an example of somebody using the distinction in a title [linkedin.com] .

Re:"Inciting" (1)

EvilSS (557649) | about 3 months ago | (#47310779)

Only because we believe "incentivize" is a verb, when "incentive" is a noun from the original verb, "incite".

We believe it's a verb because it is a verb. What do you believe it is, a suspension bridge? It's in the OED so I'm pretty much OK with it.

VERB
[WITH OBJECT]
Provide (someone) with an incentive for doing something:
this is likely to incentivize management to find savings

Re:"Inciting" (1)

pushing-robot (1037830) | about 3 months ago | (#47309553)

Perhaps, but we can't incentivize the use of 'incentivizing'.

In other words, Don't Pay for Promises. (5, Insightful)

Thatto (258697) | about 3 months ago | (#47309423)

Pay for Value.

Re:In other words, Don't Pay for Promises. (1)

sixshot (878181) | about 3 months ago | (#47309739)

I have been avoiding the Battlefield franchises ever since 4 has been announced. So far, I have been happy with the result. So the money I saved from not buying that (and any future Battlefield game in general), it all went to fancy extras in Guild Wars 2 [guildwars2.com] . Satisfied with what I got since that's virtually all I play nowadays. That's my value.

I have seen the decline for a while. But BF3 was definitely the last straw. Until EA and DICE straighten up and start making quality games that supports the community rather than themselves, I won't be bothering with any of the Battlefield games.

Re:In other words, Don't Pay for Promises. (1)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about 3 months ago | (#47309787)

And everyone's concept of value is different.

If enough people want to give EA their money, then they will keep doing what they're doing- and not give a rats ass about what every single person on this site thinks.

If enough people stop giving EA their money, for whatever reason, then their games and sales model will change immediately.

Re:In other words, Don't Pay for Promises. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310449)

What about Kickstarter? Early-access games on Steam? Alpha-funding? etc?

Re:In other words, Don't Pay for Promises. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310687)

Pay for Valve.

FTFY

EA? Launch issues? Unpredictable? (0)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 3 months ago | (#47309455)

Ha ha.

Holy shit, this IS news for nerds (5, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 3 months ago | (#47309457)

You say EA pumps out crap games and people buy them in droves anyways? Do tell.

Re:Holy shit, this IS news for nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309597)

You say EA pumps out crap games and people buy them in droves anyways?

If they keep selling, then they must not be as crappy as a vocal minority makes them out to be.

Re:Holy shit, this IS news for nerds (1)

Mephistophocles (930357) | about 3 months ago | (#47309759)

Riiiiight. 'Cause a hundred billion flies eating shit can't be wrong.

Re:Holy shit, this IS news for nerds (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309837)

Riiiiight. 'Cause a hundred billion flies eating shit can't be wrong.

That's correct. Fly's are not wrong for liking to eat shit.

Just as people are not wrong for liking things you don't.

Re:Holy shit, this IS news for nerds (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309913)

You eat the shit out of faggot assholes. What's the difference?

Re:Holy shit, this IS news for nerds (1)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | about 3 months ago | (#47309797)

You misunderstand. Our opinions are correct, and everyone who disagrees is stupid.

Re:Holy shit, this IS news for nerds (1)

shoor (33382) | about 3 months ago | (#47310543)

IANAG (I am not a gamer). Also, I did not RTFA, but I did read the summary, where it explicitly didn't comment on the game itself, but on 'poor behavior'. I think there's a difference.

Warriors, unite! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309463)

I've been pirating their games for years. According to industry numbers, I've done millions of dollars in damage. If we all band together, we can bankrupt the company.

Unless they're wholly full of shit about the piracy issue, and we all know that EA wouldn't lie to us.

Re:Warriors, unite! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309977)

The main problem is that so many people confuse not gaining something with losing something.

Came to read about the decline, was disappointed (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309501)

I was excited because I thought there would be metrics on how Battlefield and (more importantly) EA has been on the fiscal decline but it turns out to just be a link to some guy's butt-hurt rant. EA has been shit for a long time and "gamers" still haven't learned.

Re: Came to read about the decline, was disappoint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309855)

I haven't picked up bf4 but my biggest issue is the hacks. Punk buster is a complete joke and EA won't touch the issue with a 10 foot pole.

Doesn't matter... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309511)

... the majority of the first person shooter buying gamers are morons. When Call of duty type first person games displace the Quake, unreal and the very first few battlefield games in terms of quality. The gaming masses are just too moronic. Once graphics got good enough the non-nerds invaded on mass, hence the rise of all the military porn shooters. There are so many shooters its sick. FPS was a tired genre back when Quake and unreal were milking it in their 3rd plus releases. If you grew up during the 90's you had so many first person shooters you didn't know what to do with them all, but at least there was variety. Almost all modern FPS are military shooters with no creativity to save their lives.

It's all down to that realistic graphics that the retarded gun culture of america loves. The success of battlefield and Call of duty over better first person shooters tells us a lot about the demographic modern battlefields and call of duties cater too.

Re:Doesn't matter... (4, Funny)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 3 months ago | (#47309611)

The non modern warfare game's you mention did not get a hi score in game informer. You say your a gamer and u have better first person shooter's... proof it

I bet your not playing it on a xbox 360 which is 3 times more powerful then the current pc so you're argument is invalid.

[/eternalseptember00]

Re:Doesn't matter... (2)

rgbscan (321794) | about 3 months ago | (#47309661)

"I bet your not playing it on a xbox 360 which is 3 times more powerful then the current pc so you're argument is invalid."

Thanks. I needed a good laugh to end my day :-)

Re:Doesn't matter... (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about 3 months ago | (#47309703)

I'm confused about whether that is a serious post or a troll. It has to be a troll. 3 apostrophes used, all incorrectly. 3 uses of your/you're, all incorrect. And the assertion that a console built on PC hardware is more powerful than "the current PC". There's no way that can be a serious post.

Re:Doesn't matter... (1)

Hsien-Ko (1090623) | about 3 months ago | (#47309795)

It isn't, but sadly this kind of attitude is still reality, especially after those crappy Titanfall/WAtch_Dogs ports which only amplifies this fanboyism further.

Re:Doesn't matter... (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | about 3 months ago | (#47310121)

My faith in humanity is so low these days.

Re:Doesn't matter... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309817)

It's a joke.

The EternalSeptember00, which I guess is the Xbox live release date, is a reference to the other Eternal September - where AOL unleashed the unwashed masses to the internet.

Re:Doesn't matter... (1)

cbhacking (979169) | about 3 months ago | (#47310663)

The Xbox 360 isn't built on PC hardware, actually - PowerPC instruction set, a slightly weird 3-core hyperthreaded CPU. Admittedly it has a good clock speed, even today (3.2GHz IIRC) but that's no PC part and you can easily get laptops more powerful than that now (my desktop, which was admittedly built for gaming, blows it away - 8 cores at 4GHz, plus 32GB of RAM vs. 0.5GB). The graphics chip isn't PC-standard either, although it's made by a company that makes PC GPUs too...

Are you thinking of the Xbox One? That is much closer, performance-wise, to a typical PC and is indeed built on near-commodity PC hardware.

Re:Doesn't matter... (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 3 months ago | (#47309851)

>I bet your not playing it on a xbox 360 which is 3 times more powerful then the current pc so you're argument is invalid.

top kek.

I really don't care (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309513)

I don't care how many millions of people spend their money to support these shit games; there are still publishers and studios making quality products, and they're not going away.

When you look at the vast library available of indie games, or games from smaller studios, we've probably never had a richer available gaming environment. There may be a few abandoned genres (see city making games. SimCity 5 is an abortion, and Cities XL is garbage. There are some promising indie games coming up though), but by avoiding the major publishers, you can probably find games to scratch any itch. And to be quite honest, indie games of today can surpass the AAA experience of last decade, so they're not all 8-bit retro style.

Re:I really don't care (1)

mlts (1038732) | about 3 months ago | (#47309785)

I would love a spiritual successor to NWN, or a NWN-like RPG that one can fairly easily build player-written modules and other content, with characters that can persist between modules.

This was the nice thing about NWN1 and NWN2. Both had long tails, and had not just single player campaigns, but player-written content that was just as good if not better, as well as persistent worlds which has the long-lost roleplay feel of MUDs gone by.

So far, I've dropped a little bit of cash on a failed Kickstarter, but there just isn't anything in this genre [1]. I would love a spiritual successor to NWN.

[1]: I'm not meaning F2P MMOs like Neverwinter, but a game that focuses on the RPG aspect as well as the player creation tools, as opposed to just buying the latest DLC.

"After EA acquired DICE" (1)

Culture20 (968837) | about 3 months ago | (#47309521)

Is this the same Dice Holdings Inc. that owns /.?

Re:"After EA acquired DICE" (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309555)

No, one is EA Digital Illusions CE [wikipedia.org] . The other is Dice Holdings, Inc. [wikipedia.org] (I had to look it up. I guess I am not the only one who saw a connection.)

Re:"After EA acquired DICE" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309559)

I dunno. Is Dice Holdings Inc. the same company as Digital Illusions CE?

Can you think before you type?

Re:"After EA acquired DICE" (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 3 months ago | (#47309583)

No.

DICE [wikipedia.org] = Swedish Digital Illusions CE

Dice [wikipedia.org] = American Dice Holdings

There's a new battlefiled coming out?! (1)

darkwing_bmf (178021) | about 3 months ago | (#47309541)

I better get my pre-order in now!

More general rule (1)

istartedi (132515) | about 3 months ago | (#47309565)

A more general rule is simply to never buy a pig in a poke. The origin of that expression is literally from Medieval times!

Re:More general rule (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309777)

No one gives a fuck, dildo. They're going to buy their little game and you're still going to be a sweaty neckbeard faggot.
 
And so it goes...

Re:More general rule (1)

Threni (635302) | about 3 months ago | (#47310385)

> For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question,
> "who cares"?

Intensive purposes?

Simultaneous Rising & Falling ? (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 3 months ago | (#47309643)

So is BF rising or falling? Which is it? Rising in popularity? Falling in quality?

Re:Simultaneous Rising & Falling ? (2)

desdinova 216 (2000908) | about 3 months ago | (#47309925)

it's doing both at the same time, it's Schrodinger's Franchise.

Good luck with this (2)

Crashmarik (635988) | about 3 months ago | (#47309663)

Gamers have always been willing to accept virtually non existent levels of software quality and never seem willing to hold the developers feet to the fire over the issues. If you look at most MMOs they seem to use design flaws as content these days balance problems and re-balancing combat/roles seem to be top design failures with very little legitimate cause.

Re:Good luck with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309825)

Gamers have always been willing to accept virtually non existent levels of software quality and never seem willing to hold the developers feet to the fire over the issues. If you look at most MMOs they seem to use design flaws as content these days balance problems and re-balancing combat/roles seem to be top design failures with very little legitimate cause.

I'm just waiting for Diablo 3 to hit the newstands again. I think we're do for another trash article on the destruction of prepaid games.

Re:Good luck with this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309831)

And you've always been willing to take a half dozen cocks up your ass in an evening but we're not bitching about it, are we? No. So shut the fuck up and shove off.

No thanks... (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 3 months ago | (#47309731)

BF4 was completely unplayable. It was early alpha quality that they pushed out. I am NEVER buying another game from that franchise again. EA can stuff it in their rear end.

I'm in the beta and... (2)

Redbehrend (3654433) | about 3 months ago | (#47309743)

I'm in the beta and I can see people enjoying it that enjoy games like cs:go, payday, etc... I don't see why people hate, just don't buy it if you don't want to play it. I agree not to pre-order most games since they drop in price usually a couple weeks later. I enjoy the frostbyte engine over most fps, engines. I'm sure it will have its click of players if they support it right.

Meh (2)

ScienceofSpock (637158) | about 3 months ago | (#47309895)

The only GOOD Battlefield was BF 1942 and its expansions. When BF:Vietnam came out and allowed picking any primary class with any secondary class, it just ruined the game, killed cooperation and turned it into a free-for-all.

Just make your own shit list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309901)

Dont let others dictate what you should or should not do, just make your own shit list if you fell it is nessesarry

Sony - Destructive money garbing fucktards, dlc
Ubisoft - root kit distributors and like to shut down there server for games that need always on, dlc
EA - Massivly destructive, uncreative, buys up everything and grinds it in to dust, dlc and so on....
Sega - DLC and the destruction of totalwar.

and on and on...

Re:Just make your own shit list (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309915)

p.s. buy plauge inc and surgeon 2013 on steam summer sales. both are cheap and hilarious

I'm getting sick of these stories that single out (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47309935)

the gaming community. that sends a message that we're OK with business as usual, and business as usual has become pretty terrible. That has nothing to do with the gaming community, and everything to do with the way humans are raised in the United States. Capitalistic whores who only consume is the problem, so deal with it at it's source, don't put a band aid on a symptom.

Games for gamers, versus numbers for shareholders (1)

Onuma (947856) | about 3 months ago | (#47309937)

So long as big, publicly-owned companies are churning out games they are generally only going to consider profit and perception by shareholders as the end goal.

Companies who create a good game for the sake of the game itself can often see profits as a result of their dedication -- the end goal is always putting out a game which is as good as that studio can feasibly put out. $$$ is welcome, but secondary. For this reason, I am an advocate for game developers to stay privately owned. If I hear about a producer/publisher's IPO I will absolutely scrutinize every reason to even consider their products from that point, forward. Can anyone name a publicly-traded gaming company who isn't all jacked up?

I have not purchased or pre-purchased a AAA-produced game since the awful release of Diablo 3. While it did turn out to be a fun game, Blizzard proved to me that they really don't have a clue as to what captured the essence of the first 2 games in the series, nor do they actually give a crap about the people who are ensuring their paychecks. If anything, I will wait for a Steam Summer Sale, Humble Bundle, GoG sale, or something comparably discounted. I end up missing out on the early days of fun where a whole bunch of friends and other players are online all at once, but I save a ton of money and I don't regret my $5 purchases...as opposed to those $50-60 mistakes.

I don't really game but... (1)

RevWaldo (1186281) | about 3 months ago | (#47310031)

...I feel the same way about Ticketmaster.

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This is good (1)

StarBar (549337) | about 3 months ago | (#47310071)

the bean counters will never understand how software is developed and I am not talking about inhibiting profitability but how to increase profitability. Instead they compare software development with factories and wants square blocks of 'workload' outlining a project and when that is not working they just add more blocks or extend overtime reducing profitability even more. They hate hearing that software development is an art or like a green house where some pots needs more water than other and some needs fertilizers and other just need a dark corner for a long time to develop loads of flowers. It makes me sad. I say we sack the bean counters!

EA Boycott (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 3 months ago | (#47310073)

Join the EA boycott!

What about the good games, you ask?

Look at all the money you would have saved by not buying these pieces of shit:

Battlefield 3 - "You'll have to buy this, or else nobody will be around to play with you" DLC
The new Sim City
The new Sim City - "Expansion pack that adds nothing players wanted and a ton of stuff nobody cares about" Expansion pack
The Sims 3 - "You already bought this expansion twice before" Expansion Pack
Battlefield 4(ever ridden with bugs)

And in the future:

Battlefield 4 DLC - "We promised we'd fix the game first, and with luck, it's now possible to play a whole match without game-breaking bugs, so it's technically fixed"
The new Battlefield which shares nothing with Battlefield other than the name
The Sims 4 - Bend over and buy the expansions you already bough three times before once more!

don't care (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310091)

i just wanted to put my 2 cents in and say that I don't care. I don't even care enough to read the article or finish writing this important

Been "Battlefield Free" since Battlefield 2 (1)

OSULugan (3529543) | about 3 months ago | (#47310137)

I spent countless hours playing Battlefield 1942 and its expansions. That game was a favorite at many LAN parties back 10+ years ago, and for good reason. I found Battlefield: Vietnam a little less engaging, but quite interesting for the time period and the addition of Helicopters to the fray.

I pre-ordered Battlefield 2, but when I installed it, I found that the game wouldn't run longer than 5 minutes without freezing my system. I never returned to the franchise.

Re:Been "Battlefield Free" since Battlefield 2 (1)

Threni (635302) | about 3 months ago | (#47310395)

Shame - you missed a good one. Although there was more variety in 1942 and Vietnam.

Me, I recommend that you stop reading Polygon... (1)

DHalcyon (804389) | about 3 months ago | (#47310139)

...because it's time to stop incentivizing poor behavior from Ben Kuchera. No, seriously.

Payday (1)

ZeroSerenity (923363) | about 3 months ago | (#47310157)

Just buy this. Currently on sale and probably way more enjoyable than Battlefield: Hardline will ever be.

A bit late (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310173)

I haven't bought an EA game since C&C generals.

Here is what I don't get.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310185)

Why do people constantly bitch about how shitty a game is and how EA sucks, and how they never plan to buy another EA game.... while they are playing the game.

If it's so horrible, WTF are you playing it?

Stop playing the game and ask for your money back (you won't get it, but that's another story). Eventually they'll see a problem and either fix it or die.

You're sending the wrong message if you buy the game, HATE IT, but still continue to play it. As far as EA is concerned the game is doing very well because the servers are full and no one wanted their money back. When they see that, why would they change?

I guess people love to bitch for the sake of bitching...Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go play some BF4.

Fool you six times... (1)

Sarusa (104047) | about 3 months ago | (#47310235)

"he doesn't really offer an opinion on how good the game is"

The game's not out yet. But odds are, based on every other entry in the franchise, it will be terribly broken and buggy at launch and the servers won't stay up. That's the point of the article.

Better Reason not to Buy Hardline (1)

nealric (3647765) | about 3 months ago | (#47310259)

As someone who has played the beta, I would recommend not buying Hardline unless it experiences serious revisions. It is, in fact, bad. The new game modes are half-baked king of the hill and capture the flag variations which do little to encourage rewarding team play. The basic mechanics and graphics are exactly the same as BF4, complete with the same bugs and dodgy netcode. Even if they add more maps, there's no more content than was added by any of the BF3 DLCs.

Gamers and their children (1)

dave562 (969951) | about 3 months ago | (#47310265)

The only way that the studios will ever get the message is if parents refuse to buy this garbage for their children. Older gamers are a minority of the market. There are plenty of gamers in the 18-30 age bracket who will continue to buy this garbage. The only way out is for parents who game, to make wise choices for their children.

It will take a generation to change things, but it can happen.

I finally learned my lesson, but I am guilty of pre-ordering way too many crap releases from EA. BF4 was the last one I will buy. Between the broken at release model, the DLC, and the rapid release cycle that guarantees a game will be dead 12-18 months after it comes out, I am over it.

I think the best that we, as a community, can hope for is that enough people exercise impulse control and wait to buy the game until the price is reduced once or twice. Doing that would communicate two messages. One, we are tired of buggy beta (at best) releases and refuse to tolerate them. Two, the release prices are way too high and we are not going to pay $60+ for crappy code.

Maybe it's my age . . . (1)

nehumanuscrede (624750) | about 3 months ago | (#47310287)

but it's more likely my experience.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D<br><br>I don't buy ANY game at full price anymore. It's not that I'm cheap, I can easily afford them, it's that I'm fed up with games that are effectively Beta II at launch date. Been burned too many times I guess. Within a month of launch, most games will have a Gigabyte sized patch to fix all the crap that should have been fixed prior to release. The world certainly won't end if I don't get to play ( insert AAA title here ) on launch day. Considering the login server issues, DRM and just an overall shitty job ( is there such a thing as Quality Assurance these days ? ) I can wait.<br><br>Usually takes at least six months before I would consider the game stable.<br><br>By that time, all the bugs have been ironed out, the reviews are in either supporting or negating the pre-launch hype and the experience is more pleasant overall.<br><br>If everyone did this, companies would either release a finished and polished product as they are supposed to, or go bankrupt. Simple choice really. I choose to spend my money only on that which is worth it.

Re:Maybe it's my age . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310425)

I agree with you, I don't buy games on release anymore (for full price). Its because I just don't "need" the game RIGHT NOW. I'll wait a few months, maybe a year or more, for it to do on sale for $15 or on Steam for cheap. By then I'll have the most up-to-date version hopefully with all the kinks worked out, plus DLC that will be included ("Gold Package", "Collectors Edition" etc) or cheap to download. I've been buying games like this for years now.

Re:Maybe it's my age . . . (2)

vux984 (928602) | about 3 months ago | (#47310509)

By then I'll have the most up-to-date version hopefully with all the kinks worked out, plus DLC that will be included ("Gold Package", "Collectors Edition" etc) or cheap to download. I've been buying games like this for years now.

Without the release day buyers, there's not going to be a collectors edition at 50% off a year later.

So you should thank the early adopters / launch day lemmings, because your buying habits are only sustainable on their backs.

No alternative (1)

dirtyapenz (2160030) | about 3 months ago | (#47310351)

Until there is an alternative franchise people will keep swallowing EA's bs. Arma III is close, but it misses the target audience by a long shot due to focusing on realism over fun. If there was a real alternative to BF4 I'd switch in a heartbeat.

Doesn't seem to matter (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310365)

My wife plays the Sims series from EA. It's been pretty obvious that they have been the worst about this for quite a while now. What is she going to do though? Quit playing her favorite game because the company that makes it sucks?

Tell people to stop doing something that they enjoy so that they can prove a point? I don't think that goes over very well very often.

I've owned every BF Game (1)

puppetman (131489) | about 3 months ago | (#47310465)

I've played a lot of BF, since owning 1942 on release day. I can't think of a version I've missed (though I've stopped buying expansion packs).

That said, I stopped buying on release day a while ago. My gaming time is maybe 2% of what it was a decade or so ago, so it's valuable and not to be wasted on buggy releases and bad games.

Played since 1942 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47310633)

I've played the franchise on PC since 1942. I skipped BF3 and then got BF4 for PS4, my first console purchase in forever. It's been great. I waited until January to play it so I guess I missed out on most of the bugs. I've found a few but none too terrible. I've had a pretty good time playing but I think I'll skip hardline.

Except it's not... (1)

gabereiser (1662967) | about 3 months ago | (#47310637)

...developed by DICE this time. If the article poster in question actually knew anything about BF:HL he/she would know this...

Season pass holder (1)

BrookHarty (9119) | about 3 months ago | (#47310685)

As a season pass holder, I stopped playing a long time ago, what a waste of money. I avoid EA games as far as can, the only one that kept me coming back was BF series. Meh, burned their bridge.

Works fine for me (1)

zorro6 (836387) | about 3 months ago | (#47310711)

I am not supporting the release of crappy software and I didn't buy BF4 on day one. But I did buy it fairly early on and honestly I have never experienced any game or enjoyment destroying issues. Yes there were bugs and yes the servers were down sometimes but I have been playing for many months now with no significant issues at all. As far as I can tell just about everyone else is as bad as EA and yes we as the consumer seem to be willing to accept pretty shoddy product. And I do think the answer is simply to not buy until there is some level of stability.
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