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Google Is Offering Free Coding Lessons To Women and Minorities

Soulskill posted about 4 months ago | from the building-a-strong-base-of-coders dept.

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redletterdave writes: According to a blog post from Gregg Pollack, CEO of the Code School, Google is paying for three free months for any women and minorities interested in tech to expand their skills. The offer is part of Google's $50 million "Made With Code" initiative, which aims to help close the gender gap in tech. While Google is also offering the same vouchers to the women in attendance at its annual I/O developers conference this week, the search giant has released an online application that's available to women everywhere. Google says its available vouchers for women number in the "thousands."

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Hrmmmm.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336721)

Might be time to play up my 12.5% Cherokee blood.

Hahaha...captcha is "colored." Wow!

Re:Hrmmmm.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336795)

The summary mentions only women, African-Americans, and hispanics, while the blog post only mentions women and African-Americans. The Google page itself only mentions women. This is reasonable. Geeks want more pussy around the office for them, and inviting a bunch of niggers over frankly just seems like a lose-lose on this front.

The long and the short of it (lol) is that you're probably out of luck for now. Maybe they'll have a program for recruiting more alcoholics soon?

Re: Hrmmmm.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337131)

Fuck you racist asshole prick bitch. I'll fuck you up hiding behind your computer screen.

Re:Hrmmmm.. (1)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 4 months ago | (#47336825)

I know in Canada any tiny percent native american is enough for status. Any idea what percentage you need for the minority tag?

Re:Hrmmmm.. (1)

retchdog (1319261) | about 4 months ago | (#47336889)

iirc, a friend of mine got a native american scholarship (forgot if it was federal or state) for being 1/8, which was the cutoff. in his case it was total bullshit, but it's a fair cop i suppose.

Re: Hrmmmm.. (0)

johnsnails (1715452) | about 4 months ago | (#47336961)

Or what percentage women u have to be to get free coding lessons.

Re: Hrmmmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337067)

My mother is a woman. Is that enough for status?

Re: Hrmmmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337219)

One X of the XX chromosome should do it.

Re: Hrmmmm.. (1)

zlives (2009072) | about 4 months ago | (#47337197)

1/8th, i think think that's the cutoff.

Can I dress like a women and.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336735)

Get free c0d1ng l3550n5? I mean like, how do they know Im not a woman if I dress like 1> R they gunna check or summit?

Welcome to the world of political correctness and human rights.

Re:Can I dress like a women and.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336831)

Alternatively, how much does it cost for a temporary 3-month sex change?

Re:Can I dress like a women and.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337113)

Just tuck it under and tape it there. If it's good enough for Buffalo Bill, it's good enough for you. Just try not to demand people to put lotion in a basket...

Captcha: presence

Asian (4, Funny)

wisnoskij (1206448) | about 4 months ago | (#47336759)

So basically everyone who is not an Asian?

Google = tool of the NSA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336761)

who still trusts google? lololololol

Need doublethink training (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336769)

I'd still like someone to rationally explain to me how giving such free benefits to women and the ever-so-indistinct category of "minority," specifically because of their gender and/or "race," (and for which those not in those categories are excluded) is not sexism and racism.

I'd love some free Google classes (4, Insightful)

MetalliQaZ (539913) | about 4 months ago | (#47336781)

But I'm a white male. I have nothing Google wants. :(

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about 4 months ago | (#47336833)

...uh, money?

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336835)

you just have to tell them that you gender identify as a women and that should get you free lessons

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (3, Insightful)

retchdog (1319261) | about 4 months ago | (#47336843)

Google wants employees with above-average skills in their areas of interest, and so they hire plenty of white males since they tend to have them. If you're not in that group, well, it sucks to be you, I guess.

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337365)

Yes. When you're applying for a job, if you don't have the skills the employer is looking for, it sucks to be you.

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336845)

There's a fix for that.

And the fix is cheaper than college loans.

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 4 months ago | (#47337369)

No it's not.....well maybe if you use one of those cut-rate docs in Thailand and do the recovery in a hotel. Even in the US you spend a day or so at a hospital, then you go to a "recovery clinic" or hotel. Though I've heard the more expensive docs in Thailand are starting to do the US model.

This doesn't include any breast augmentation or FFS (facial feminization surgery) or electrolysis or laser (which can cost MORE than the actual surgery)

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336881)

But I'm a white male. I have nothing Google wants. :(

You have your soul.

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (1)

chispito (1870390) | about 4 months ago | (#47336897)

But I'm a white male. I have nothing Google wants. :(

Actually, if you would kindly run all of your personal and financial information through our marketing algorithms--er, "free cloud tools and services," that would be fantastic. Thanks.

-Google

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336913)

Stop right there, cis-gender scum!

Check your privilege. Don't you know that white males emerge from the womb fully endowed with innate knowledge of all programming, from basic rudiments to syntax of languages that have yet to be invented?

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about 4 months ago | (#47336937)

I'd love some free Google classes

Everybody wants free Google glasses. I mean, what do those thing cost anyway? Like 1500 bucks or somethin?

But let's be realistic - only women & black men can pull off that look.

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337243)

Well that does it. I will be switching all my default searches off of Google until the stop this blatant discrimination.

We can only do so much to put a halt to discrimination, but it has to start somewhere.

Re:I'd love some free Google classes (1)

Severus Snape (2376318) | about 4 months ago | (#47337429)

But I'm a white male. I have nothing Google wants. :(

Modded parent funny, assuming sarcasm now I'm not so sure..

Makes Teh Google out to be racist, sexists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336801)

swine. Hund.

Minority = Caucasion? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336807)

I feel like a minority

Re:Minority = Caucasion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337227)

and i feel like smacking you upside the head

Re:Minority = Caucasion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337299)

Liberals downfall will be when they treat caucasians like a minority or black people...voters in 2008 and 2016 made "HARD CHOICES" will be made obvious soon...

Sure I am a troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336809)

I feel like this is the same posts over and over again for these kinds of news posts. Does anyone have anything new to add?

How do they know? (1)

Rich0 (548339) | about 4 months ago | (#47336877)

So, how exactly does Google know if an applicant is a woman or not? Are they going to do background checks?

The form that is linked doesn't even contain a declaration that somebody is a woman or minority in the first place, or a definition of what constitutes either.

Re:How do they know? (1)

Krishnoid (984597) | about 4 months ago | (#47336953)

Minimum requirements:

  • At least attempt to consistently fake representing oneself as a woman
  • Must attend class in drag
  • 90% or greater attendance rate
  • Must attend all three months of classes

If you meet the above requirements, we'll assume you want the training badly enough and will be eligible for attendance and reimbursement of deposit upon completion.

Isn't this discriminatory? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336893)

So by me not being a female or minority I am not included, I am feeling discriminated against. Of course people are going to say but women and minorities need it more because they are discriminated against in hiring practices but trying to fix a wrong with a wrong isn't going to help.

Re:Isn't this discriminatory? (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 4 months ago | (#47337261)

OK, I'm a white male, but I might be able to qualify because I belong to several minority groups. I'm a veteran. Not only that, I'm a 'Nam vet. Not only that, I have a (minor) service-connected disability. And, of course, I'm a senior citizen. Add all of those together, and Google might be willing to hire me simply because I can be counted as part of four different minority groups. There's only one problem: I'm retired and have no interest in working for them.

I don't know about this one... (5, Insightful)

Alex Vulpes (2836855) | about 4 months ago | (#47336899)

I get what they're trying to do, but this seems like the wrong approach. You don't fix discrimination with more discrimination, even if it's in the opposite direction.

Seems like it would be better to find out why the industry is so racial/gender imbalanced, and try to solve that problem (whatever it turns out to be) rather than covering up the symptoms.

Re:I don't know about this one... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337081)

If the problem is a monoculture, what better cure than an injection of other cultures?

Re:I don't know about this one... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337199)

This doesn't inject other cultures. It sends a clear message that the time and energy which white guys invested into learning isn't appreciated because they're not the right gender or race. You know we didn't get into tech because someone bribed us, don't you? Would you want your kids to work in an industry where the boys are seen as the problem and the girls aren't interested without external motivation? I wouldn't be surprised if this put off more boys than it attracts girls.

Re:I don't know about this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337509)

If finding white guys willing to program becomes a problem, you will see a fast correction. You won't see a fast correction.

Re:I don't know about this one... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337629)

You think there are enough white guys to do the jobs? Why the fuck do you think is Google trying to get women and minorities interested in programming? No, I won't see a fast correction. Programming has been looking increasingly unattractive for a while now: Not only is it difficult and heavy on on theory, it's also easily offshored. And now all this "sexist work environment" talk doesn't just deter women, it turns men away too: What man wants to work in a field where women are either not present or need and get preferential treatment, and the men are constantly reminded that it's all their fault?

Re:I don't know about this one... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337097)

Actually - that is how you do it. Discrimination tends to be a self-replicating part of human nature. It's is based on "what I am familiar and comfortable with." If you don't see women/minorities in the workforce then the assumption is that they are not qualified - therefore less likely to be hired - thus less likely you will see them in the workforce - etc.

This is why integration and diversity were/are so important. It's to raise children not thinking of different people as "others" but instead to realize that there are no differences.

But of course *you* are perfect and would never do such things. At least not consciously. It's those dirty "other people" who do all this.

Re:I don't know about this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337567)

The reason that it's familiar and comfortable is that most tech companies were started by white guys. If women and minorities want to be in the tech industry why don't they start their own fucking companies? Or can't they accomplish anything without YT handing it to them on a silver platter?

Re:I don't know about this one... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337247)

First prove that it is a problem. Trying to fix a problem that does not exist is futile.

Re:I don't know about this one... (1)

Carnivore (103106) | about 4 months ago | (#47337319)

Many industries spend decades hand-wringing about "finding out why" and end up doing nothing. This isn't covering up symptoms, it's reaching out to people who are underrepresented in the field.

Make a course that's much less likely to be full of brogrammers and you'll likely get more talented women and other minorities. This is a good thing.

Re:I don't know about this one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337563)

Perhaps this is difficult to understand for the political types, but these "efforts to level the playing field" are an insult to the people who got into tech by learning everything from the ground up, simply because they were interested. And now you're telling me that I have my privilege to thank for that? Fuck you! I had to convince people all along the way that computer science and programming was important and worthwhile and that it is what I want to do. But now apparently I'm the problem. My mere presence in a course deters women. Like I haven't been insulted enough in high school. I guess it's time to get out of this field and leave the programming to the women and minorities who needed to be bribed with free no-white-males three month courses. Probably best to use the free time to work on reducing the reliance on technology. (ooooh, brogrammer talk... yeah right)

Re:I don't know about this one... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337579)

Why is it a "good thing"?

Let me venture a fact: It isn't.

There are a million ways to make up categories that are "underrepresented." Why categories gender and race specifically?

"A good thing" is to have precisely the most qualified people hold each an every slot in the company, and for all to have the same opportunities to get there.

Exactly the ratio of genders and races that are there, is the ratio that made use of the opportunities there are to get there. Are we supposed to seriously contemplate that one's, say, next Enterprise Application Architect or Network Security Engineer should be someone who needs to be so coddled on social irrelevancies and feelings that if there are too many "brogrammers" in the room, they will throw up their hands and abandon the whole idea of their chosen future, along with the commitment of fulfilling the technical challenges required?

Re:I don't know about this one... (2)

jader3rd (2222716) | about 4 months ago | (#47337435)

I get what they're trying to do, but this seems like the wrong approach. You don't fix discrimination with more discrimination, even if it's in the opposite direction.

Until the 'problem' is correct that's exactly what you do; unless hiring assassins to thin out the existing 'problem' is an option.

Re:I don't know about this one... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337465)

Ok, let me tell you why.

Because society as a whole, at least insofar as Google's employment pool is concerned, is unbalanced and inequal.

Thanks for asking, now please tell us how much more money you want to spend on this investigation? Who are you going to pay to find out?

Being a white male (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336901)

...another reason why not to be a white male.

Politics and Marketing as usual (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336931)

Keep everybody divided up. Tell them that you alone are their sole protector. You get elected. It's time to work towards a post-racial America instead of carving up market share and votes.

Racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336933)

Sexist and heterophobic too.

Do something else, boys. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336947)

You're not wanted here. All kinds of engineers are still in demand, if you foolishly insist on creating something. I just wonder what the software industry is going to do when the girls aren't coming and the boys aren't staying.

Re:Do something else, boys. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337347)

This is just another sign of a dying civilization. Frankly, I've gone Galt, and I interact with my own country -- and indeed, Western Civilization -- only to the extent needed to not die just yet.

I've been told over and over through most of my life that I'm horrible, rotten, and evil because I'm a white male. Fine. I've checked out, and now I'm just having fun watching it fall apart.

...and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No.”

Think Global (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336959)

On a global scale, whites are a minority. Isn't Google a global company?

Canceling out the problem (2)

neurosine (549673) | about 4 months ago | (#47336965)

Because everyone knows the only way to beat discrimination is by discriminating.

Re:Canceling out the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337241)

Inequality redistribution.

Re:Canceling out the problem (0, Troll)

Carnivore (103106) | about 4 months ago | (#47337407)

I don't even know what you're trying to say. How do you propose to fix the obvious and real problem of underrepresentation of over half of our population? Is it to have more classes dominated by white guy brogrammers? Get the one token girl in there, right?

Your attitude is the problem. I'm going to make some assumptions, here: you're a mid- to late-twenties white guy. You've never been in an office full of people who are different than you are. You've never spent any time in a work environment in which you have no peers of your gender. You have _not the slightest clue_ how much privilege you have had and continue to have.

I _am_ a white guy who had a very large amount of privilege globally-speaking, but through various life experiences I have developed the ability to recognize that. You should, too.

People who espouse this attitude are scared that they won't be able to get a job because they're the white guy who showed up. That some woman who is better than they are is going to be allowed to show that she is good, and it's not so easy for you to walk into a job.

I find your dismissive attitude repulsive.

Re: Canceling out the problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337589)

Fuck you.

Re:Canceling out the problem (4, Insightful)

russotto (537200) | about 4 months ago | (#47337673)

I don't even know what you're trying to say. How do you propose to fix the obvious and real problem of underrepresentation of over half of our population?

I agree that underrepresentation is real and obvious; I do not agree that it is obvious that this is a problem, and I certainly don't think it's the sort of problem which is so dire that the ends justify nearly any means.

Is it to have more classes dominated by white guy brogrammers?

Please. You know brogramming was a hoax, right? That the reason the hoax was funny is because the stereotype of geeks is so far from the stereotype of nerds that the juxtaposition is funny. There may be a few brogrammers out there in a life-imitates-art kind of way. But it isn't and never was any sort of norm.

You've never been in an office full of people who are different than you are.

That's sort of amusing, as I'm the only white American on my team right now.

I _am_ a white guy who had a very large amount of privilege globally-speaking, but through various life experiences I have developed the ability to recognize that. You should, too.

I'm supposed to believe that I had and continue to have it easy because I'm a white man, and that this justifies any amount of discrimination against me? That any (e.g.) white woman has had it infinitely more difficult than me? No, I do not subscribe to your philosophy.

how do they get away with this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336969)

Google Is Offering Free Coding Lessons To Non-Male Non-White People

this is racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47336987)

it is suggesting that black women aren't as good as people of other races/genders.

So that's the problem! (3, Insightful)

quietwalker (969769) | about 4 months ago | (#47337021)

I didn't realize that the gender and minority gaps in the software development industry was simply due to availability of lessons! It's proper, and not at all ironic that we can fix this entirely obvious case of discrimination by making sure to treat certain groups differently than others based on those differences they have no control over, as opposed to merit-based evaluations that judge the worth of an individual regardless of their gender or skin color.

Boy, whew, is that good news though.

I mean, if it was something like self-selective behavior that arose largely from fundamental differences in behavior and temperament due to genetic predisposition, coupled with cultural bias a would-be/could-be programmer brings with them, it'd be really hard to overcome. That'd be a real problem, no doubt. How to make certain groups want to be a programmer, outside of all the opportunities they already have, literally thousands of hours of videos and lectures, hundreds of thousands of tutorials, and millions of step-by-step examples available from libraries, public schools, and for free on the internet - that's a very tough job. It'd be like trying to get kids to like broccoli and lima beans.

But gosh, wow, thankfully we really figured it out this time.

This will certainly solve everything, and we'll make sure that we have nearly-matching statistical matches between the greater population and these careers, just like every other career path or employment opportunity out there, from the military, to civic service, from elementary education to nursing and construction workers, we'll have finally caught up with the other trades.

Thank goodness too, that this didn't morph a naturally arising statistical evaluation into a minority rights issue, where even discussion of the problem is verboten to the perceived majority, and failure to blindly throw money at it while artificially inflating your employee base through heavy handed discrimination would single one out as racist, sexist, or simply an unethical organization.

We really dodged a bullet there, and I can only applaud this important step towards real equality.

Re:So that's the problem! (-1, Troll)

Carnivore (103106) | about 4 months ago | (#47337459)

You're a jerk and you're the problem. You are why this program needs to exist. Having you in a programming class is driving interested minorities away. You. You and the very large number of people like you. You are holding society back.

How could you possibly have a problem with this? It's not affecting you. You already have yours. Let someone else get hers.

Re:So that's the problem! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337643)

So where's my training as a white male? I am already in the tech field, my employer does nothing for training: even when they drop tech in my lap that I have never seen/used. I am expected to teach myself 20 years of a specific ancient technology overnight and set it up the next morning. If I nationalize to mexico or Canada can I come back as an illegal minority and get all the benefits that come with being here unawfully? Would it qualify me for this?

Asians need not apply (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337025)

Google's got plenty of 'em.

Racist Much? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337041)

"We'll give you free stuff if you're of the appropriate race and/or gender" If someone offered something like that for white males only, they'd be sued out of the world. I don't see why this is different.

Re:Racist Much? (1, Troll)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 4 months ago | (#47337413)

If someone offered something like that for white males only,

They essentially did, the fallout from that is why we have the problems they're trying to fix.

Re:Racist Much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337621)

Fixing racism with racism can't work. Hopefully you understand why.

Raising Interest (2, Insightful)

Bigbutt (65939) | about 4 months ago | (#47337083)

Honestly folks. I learned to program because I wanted to. Years and years ago. I continue to code and learn to code because I wanted to get better. I was still interested. When Microsoft came out with Windows 3.0 and 3.1, I tried to learn to code using Windows' API but it was annoying and I really didn't have an interest. I was interested in OS/2 but at $2,000 for the API, I was out of luck.

I code because I like it and want to. I muck with computers because it's interesting and challenging at times. I admin systems because there's a bit of coding involved, challenging tasks, and troubleshooting. It's fun.

In this case, Google is simply trying to jump-start the interest in women and minorities. I got interested because of Dungeons and Dragons and Car Wars. In other words, I had an idea and needed to learn to program to implement the idea, and I did. And it was cool.

People complain that they're keeping guys from coding. Hell, there are guys who code and nothing can stop them.

We (humans) have access to a world of information at our fingertips. If you want to code, freaking code. Don't wait for some corporation or person to give you incentive to code. To me, that feels like cheating. I personally don't want to say "Google gave me money and free lessons to learn how to code". Heck, I would be embarrassed to say that in an interview. Someone had to interest me into coding so without that, I wouldn't have been interested in the first place? Doesn't sound much like motivation to me. If I were interviewing someone for a coding job, I might knock a point or two off for that. My girlfriend says she has done some programming but can't think of anything to code up to help her learn. Someone in a forum said pretty much the same thing. They wanted to be a DBA but didn't have any ideas on how to start.

Write a simple inventory program. Start off with the idea that you want to identify and store all the stuff in your room, apartment, or house. Write one to manage your music collection. Then expand it to add stars or figure out how to normalize the database. Sure, there are lots of programs out there that'll help you inventory your gear. Heck, there are programs that'll read in your UPC bar code and give you all the details you'd ever want.

But you don't learn to code by using someone else's program.

[John]

Re:Raising Interest (1)

vux984 (928602) | about 4 months ago | (#47337249)

Write a simple inventory program. Start off with the idea that you want to identify and store all the stuff in your room, apartment, or house.

I inevitably get horribly stuck in the data modelling phase of this project. Sure I could hack something together, but I always try to come up with something that's better than what I've used before gets around the problems I've encountered with those before... and it gets hopelessly complicated. It needs to have tags, and someway of grouping things together... so the headphones adapter is linked to the headphones record, and how to handle multiples of things, multiples of things with different serial numbers, or in different conditions.

Hell, even a much smaller problem domain... I thought I had figured out my Magic the Gathering card collection datamodel at one point several years ago, and then they came out with split cards and broke the whole thing. What's the converted mana cost of a split card? two values?... bastards :p

Then expand it to add stars or figure out how to normalize the database.

Ah well, I guess that's one solution to getting stuck trying to figure out the best way to do the data modelling: just don't bother. done. :p

Re:Raising Interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337337)

Welcome to being a librarian :)

I'm not one, but work closely with them. While they don't have the tech skills, I'm amazed by their level of organization and structures in place. For example, following Library of Congress controlled vocabulary.

It is not to say their system can't be improved. But our (tech) system of organized things can also be improved. Together, we're doing some pretty neat stuff.

Re:Raising Interest (1)

gTsiros (205624) | about 4 months ago | (#47337295)

is the busa comfortable for long trips?

Re:Raising Interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337355)

" Google is simply trying to jump-start the interest in women and minorities."

Another way of saying this is that Google is offering help to anyone but white males. Hopefully you see the problem with that.

Re:Raising Interest (4, Interesting)

Darinbob (1142669) | about 4 months ago | (#47337437)

Maybe you grew up in an environment where no one said "you don't want to program, boys don't do that sort of thing".

And I didn't start programming because I wanted to write a program that did something specific, I started programming because I wanted to know how computers work. The same sort of thinking that caused me to take my toys apart to see what made them work, open up watches and make them never work again, and so on. Boys do that and parents may frown a bit, but often when girls do that (or did at my age) then parents are much quicker to step in and direct them to other activities that were approved for girls.

How many boys growing up were told "don't study so much, or you'll never find a good wife" or "girls don't like bookish boys"?

Re: Raising Interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337611)

Girls are to be the wife of man. Yes girls (of the girls not brides!!! type). Your feminist global religion must be defeated. Faggot.

Coding is good, but so is Documentation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337091)

How about documenting your APIs and services a little better.

A lot of people could use Google Apps Script for getting their feet wet, except that the interface changes frequently, is only very generally documented, the scripting language itself is based on javascript 1.5 (with some features from 1.6 and 1.7, please see MDN for documentation of those features, you're on your own as to which ones are actually implemented, though. It's different from what's in chrome, too. Not behind, just different.), and the bug tracker is apparently a google group that seven google employes (or at-one-time google employees) might be subscribed to.

Rather than just doing anything to get people into the coding class, how about making coding tools available and discoverable so that anyone can try stuff out for their own and discover they like it. We don't need to glut the market with a bunch of poor quality programmers who are miserable doing it.

You still won't get a job in my field (1, Flamebait)

CQDX (2720013) | about 4 months ago | (#47337105)

If you are woman or minority that got into tech through Codeschool and the like, you won't be working in my shop. We only hire people with real CS and engineering degrees that have done their time learning more than the web language|framework flavor or the month.

Re:You still won't get a job in my field (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337167)

What about other people who get into tech though Codeschool and the like (ie: most /.ers)?

Re:You still won't get a job in my field (1)

CQDX (2720013) | about 4 months ago | (#47337343)

Race and gender don't matter. Only skill set, experience, soft skills, etc. We do, however, discriminate a little, mainly on what school you graduated from, or for those with graduate degrees, who was your advisor.

Re:You still won't get a job in my field (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337651)

Should give us the company company name so that those of us with common sense can avoid you.

I couldn't give a pigs arse what school a candidate went to, much less who their advisor was.

Minorities are H1B's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337133)

H1B's

Haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337153)

You tech nerds are ALL faggots. Living in your bubble.

Hmmm...... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337175)

I thought gender and racial discrimination was illegal....

Sexism and racism (5, Insightful)

msobkow (48369) | about 4 months ago | (#47337205)

Sexism and racism are perfectly acceptable if you're against men and whites.

Re:Sexism and racism (-1)

Carnivore (103106) | about 4 months ago | (#47337527)

Yeah, we white guys have it so hard. So, so hard. Cry more. Cry into that gigantic pillow that your white male privilege gave you.

It really would behoove you to look out of your insulated bubble and try to understand the pervasive pressure that's exerted against people who aren't like you. Just try. It's hard, I know. But we can be better than you are being right now. That's not that hard, because you are being a real dick. But we can get even better than that and be pretty good and inclusive. And we can listen and do better when we make mistakes.

I hope you will.

Re:Sexism and racism (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337581)

"Pervasive pressure" is exerted on some subset of white males all the time (specifically, the subset that lives in poverty).

I'm not about to blame someone for giving out free education, but perhaps there might be a broader audience than women/minorities that is just as deserving?

Re:Sexism and racism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337559)

> Sexism and racism are perfectly acceptable if you're against men and whites.

The day racism and sexism for men and whties is eliminated is the day your point will have meaning.

Cue all the people who say "you can't fix racism with more racism" - which is a view that really only gets traction among those who are already on top of the heap. Anyone else can see that if racism has tilted the scales in one direction, racism on the other side is all that will balance it out. The day we get to something approaching balance is the day we can start talking about making sure that no one acts on racism.

On second thought (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337251)

Instead of condemning this, I will apply online. Are they going to come to my house and conduct a vagina check?

Interesting Explanation - What do you think? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337265)

I found this article very interesting:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_... [slate.com]

And feminist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337305)

And then feminist haters call us sexists. I mean come on when a white male is not gonna be discriminated anymore cause really I don't see any plan of paid lessons for where white males are minority. When the laws are not gonna be biased toward women? They don't want equality they are happy with inequality when disfavors men. I have no respect for hipocrits. And this Is probably nothing but disgusting politics to satisfy feminist groups.

A lot of ugly little comments (-1)

whistlingtony (691548) | about 4 months ago | (#47337311)

There's a lot of ugly little comments here from ugly little Assholes. Naturally, most of them are anonymous. Cowards....

Reading the replies here should be enough proof that there IS a gender and race issue in tech. Reading the petty little comments in here should be proof enough that we need more women and minorities in tech, just so these petty little !@#$s can get some exposure and empathy to real people....

Some of you disgust me quite a bit.

Re:A lot of ugly little comments (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337475)

making only available to special groups of people is discriminatory in this case against Whites and Asians. Then you are surprised that you get a negative response when an unfair system is being set up?

You disgust me thoroughly.

Re:A lot of ugly little comments (-1, Flamebait)

CronoCloud (590650) | about 4 months ago | (#47337483)

Look, I understand how you feel, and posted similar things in the other recent discussions on this...but all you'll get is a bunch of overprivileged twats working together to flame you to oblivion and pulling out various "it isn't a problem" "It's not my problem" or "citation needed" on you.

They simply don't understand that they've been privileged, they don't see their lives as that way. They have no experience dealing with people who aren't like them. It's like how Google and Facebook is full of ivy leaguers, or how there seems to be a fairly significatn number of aspie-ish guys with beards in open source. They hire/work with others like themselves. To them it's not discrimination it's just that "These other people whose backgrounds are like mine and who look like me are the best for the job.."

It's bigotry wearing a respectable suit and tie, the hardest kind to fight.

Re:A lot of ugly little comments (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337503)

You forgot to tip your Trilby that you've confused as a Fedora before riding off into the sunset, good Sir WhiteKnight.

Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337373)

So basically... FUCK ME.

This thread... (2, Insightful)

rpgamer28 (1099971) | about 4 months ago | (#47337491)

Is part of the reason why there aren't more women and minorities in tech. Only a few comments in, and it turns into a circlejerk about how women and minorities are genetically inferior, and white males are so horribly oppressed by this move which takes nothing from them. As a minority, if this is what the tech community is like, I want no part of it.

"Minorities" - LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47337523)

Whites are less than 10% of the population of the world, but apparently Indians, Africans and Chinese become 'minorities' when they invade OUR countries.

Who are these non-white losers, and why are they here? Why don't they want to live in their own countries? Oh, wait... they can't stand living around their own kind, and want to TAKE what white people have made.

Any questions?

Generous effort but... (2)

lq_x_pl (822011) | about 4 months ago | (#47337537)

[TLDR: Bravo Google, but I think we're attacking the issue on the wrong side]
offering a free pass into code school for underrepresented groups is touching the problem too late.
If Google were genuinely interested in generating a more diverse, technically sharp population, they'd be looking at elementary, middle, and high schools (notice the AND). Education is an iterative process, adults that love to code and code well are either savants, or have had a decent education growing up. This doesn't mean we need One Laptop Per Kindergartener, but it would help if there were learning materials and dedicated staff in elementary schools. It would help if there were rudimentary computer labs in middle schools that did more than surf a subset of the internet. It would help if math was as celebrated as sports in high schools.
Many of the people who will be taking these coding classes will not have had the background in math that strengthens critical, algorithmic thinking - it doesn't mean they can't develop that thinking, but so long as their background is limited to the 'last step' (learning to code), they will continue to be hired on as quota-fillers.
I do applaud Google for doing something. Giving these underrepresented groups easier access to some kind of technical education should have a positive effect on the observed hiring-disparities. However, addressing the issue at this 'last step' level will not be nearly as powerful as improving the limping-machine that is our public education system.
I do think we are overly concerned with the racial make-up of [company x]. Most companies are going to hire the candidate that will help them make the most money. The lack of diversity in [company x] is likely reflecting the lack of a skillset in population subsets y and z. The lack of diversity is a symptom, not the problem. It's just easier to point an angry finger at [big faceless corporation] than at our own communities.
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