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Apple Kills Aperture, Says New Photos App Will Replace It

timothy posted about a month ago | from the you-can-shop-outside-the-company-store dept.

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mpicpp (3454017) writes Apple told news website The Loop that it has decided to abandon Aperture, its professional photo-editing software application. "With the introduction of the new Photos app and iCloud Photo Library, enabling you to safely store all of your photos in iCloud and access them from anywhere, there will be no new development of Aperture," Apple said in a statement to The Loop. "When Photos for OS X ships next year, users will be able to migrate their existing Aperture libraries to Photos for OS." The new Photos app, which will debut with OS X Yosemite when it launches this fall, will also replace iPhoto. It promises to be more intuitive and user friendly, but as such, likely not as full featured as what Aperture currently offers.

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In addition... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343673)

Aperture won't run in Yosemite because Apple wants you to use the new app.

Re:In addition... (1, Interesting)

calzones (890942) | about a month ago | (#47343683)

From what I've read, you'd be wrong about that. Link your source or I have to call misinformation / FUD on that one.

Re:In addition... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343849)

If you had actually posted the sources _you_ have read. then your request would be fair. right now you are just as misinforming as the parent. (or you could have asked for sources without claiming to have read different- but calling for sources by saying you read something different without providing the link(s) is plain insulting)

Re:In addition... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343893)

But can you call FUD on Tim Cook being outed as a screaming bender with no more right to live on God's clean Earth than a weasel. http://www.buzzfeed.com/skarla... [buzzfeed.com]

How come Slashdot doesn't put that on the front page? It's more newsworthy than this pitiful puff-piece.

Re:In addition... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343913)

If God's Earth is clean then being a bender is clean. QED.

I watched Red State yesterday. Good film - not for the production values, but for the way it captures the essense of both pure ideological hatred and amoral government pragmatism. Bit like MIssissippi Burning, but with roles of fed and local LE reversed - since back then the feds were progressive, but today the feds are the ones most likely to cunt things up.

Re: In addition... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343927)

Homophobic assholes are yourself are most likely homosexual themselves but with a problem to admit it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8772014/

http://psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

Re: In addition... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344083)

Humourless twat.

https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]

Re: In addition... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344247)

OMG! Please shot me for not recognising BlackAdder.

HELP!!!!!

I'm really a twat.

Well, I have a cunning plan on how to correct my mistake. I will employ one million hamster in tiny wheels. And I will make run them real fast so that that time reverses and I can prevent myself from posting that posting.

(Author of http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5339333&cid=47343927 begs for forgiveness)

Re: In addition... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344197)

Anti-homo sexual assholes are likely just assholes ;)

Re:In addition... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343687)

Apple wants you to buy shower curtains. That's the only viable way for Aperture to grow an innovate.

Re:In addition... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344105)

Apple wants to dumb down the computer by replacing professional software with some cloud-based crap that "just works". Simple as that..

Re: In addition... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344223)

You think Apple is pushinh people to the cloud? What are you smoking?

Apple is always the last company to do anything with the cloud. The new Photos app will definitely function offline.

At WWDC they talked about storage limits for their cloud photo service, and there will not be a pricing tier with enough storage space for a typical aperture library. But there will be an import tool for aperture - that tells me this new app will need to support storing photos offline.

Re:In addition... (4, Informative)

itsdapead (734413) | about a month ago | (#47343699)

Aperture won't run in Yosemite because Apple wants you to use the new app.

Not according to this [techcrunch.com] which claims "an Apple spokesman told them" (distinct lack of "horse's mouth" links, unfortunately) that it would be updated to run on Yosemite.

Re: updated to run on Yosemite (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343833)

That's true and can be confirmed, but the real problem is that
OS/X doesn't fully support all of the advanced features of Yosemite,
many of which Aperture freely takes advantage.

So the consumer still loses.

Re: updated to run on Yosemite (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343871)

Your post makes no sense whatsoever. OSX Yosemite doesn't offer all features of OSX....What?

Re: In addition... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343749)

I'm currently enrolled in the Apple Dev program and Aperture is running in Yosemite. A few bugs, but nothing that is broken.

Re:In addition... (3, Informative)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | about a month ago | (#47343917)

Aperture won't currently run in Yosemite. Aperture will be updated to run under Yosemite but that's the last update it's going to get.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2... [arstechnica.com]

Aperture-specific plugins... (3, Insightful)

chrysalis (50680) | about a month ago | (#47343677)

Good news for people who spent money on plugins for Aperture.

Having to buy Imagenomic's plugins again for Lightroom makes me super happy. Not.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (-1, Flamebait)

mysidia (191772) | about a month ago | (#47343705)

Good news for people who spent money on plugins for Aperture.

I suspect their pain will be nothing compared to the pain of Final Cut Pro users, once Apple discontinues that product in the future in favor of "iMovie 4", and people need to soak a few grand to switch to Avid Composer.

I guess the idea is it just doesn't make sense to write software targeted at professionals anymore; the higher price tag no longer makes up for the low volume, and it's infinitely more sensible to use your resources developing apps that larger numbers of people will need and want to buy.....

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (3, Insightful)

jovius (974690) | about a month ago | (#47343723)

Well, Aperture doesn't stop functioning in an instant and plugins can still be developed for it. Plugin production will continue for some time because of the user base.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (5, Insightful)

BlackPignouf (1017012) | about a month ago | (#47343733)

What about RAW support for new cameras?
Every Aperture user will have to change after X months.
I'm lucky to be a Lightroom user, but I'd be really pissed if I had to change the software I use and love every day since 2007.
It would be like having to learn and use Emacs after 10 years of vim.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343759)

RAW support is independent from Aperture and is installed via mini-updates to the system.
No change whatsoever. Aperture uses won't have to switch.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (1)

MrL0G1C (867445) | about a month ago | (#47343885)

Every Aperture user will have to change after X months.

Is it going to stop working? I still use a version of paint shop pro from 1998!! (I'm not a graphics pro obviously) It still works fine on windows 7!

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343921)

It might on newer versions of OS X. Microsoft is spending a lot of effort on backwards compatibility (to the point that Windows recognizes applications depending on bugs that have since been fixed and emulates the buggy behavior), whereas Apple indiscriminately fixes APIs, updates them, and removes legacy APIs. This is in particular the case for internal APIs (which is why they hit hard for that on the app stores). Aperture being a 1st party app makes use of internal APIs, and is very vulnerable to this. It'll probably work on Yosemite and then break. This of course just doesn't mean it won't continue to work on Yosemite, which will run emulated for many, many years in the future.

TLDR: yes and no.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344101)

What about RAW support for new cameras?
Every Aperture user will have to change after X months.

RAW image format support is built into OS X, not Aperture.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (3, Informative)

BitZtream (692029) | about a month ago | (#47344137)

RAW support in Aperture is done via OS level filters, nothing Aperture specific. So there will be little effect on RAW support as RAW support is included in other apps which Apple is still supporting, like Preview a core application. You get RAW updates even without Aperture installed.

Abandon large user base for no reason!! (1)

catmistake (814204) | about a month ago | (#47343811)

Well, Ive was one of the most outstanding executive officers this company's ever produced. He was brave, outstanding in every way. And he was a good man, too, humanitarian man, a man of wit and humor. He joined the Software Engineering Group. After that, his... uh... ideas... methods... became... unsound... unsound.

Now he's crossed into California with this mountaineered army of his that... worship... the man... like a god, and follow every order, however ridiculous...

...very obviously, he has gone insane.

click for multimedia [tinyurl.com]

Your mission is to proceed down the San Francisco Bay in a Blue Navy petrol boat, pick up Sir Ive's path at Cupertino, follow it, learn what you can along the way. When you find the officer, infiltrate his team by (ahem-hem) whatever means available, and terminate the executive's position.

...terminate the executive...

...terminate with extreme prejudice.

Re:Abandon large user base for no reason!! (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a month ago | (#47344231)

If only someone had terminated Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344015)

Anyone who chose Aperture over Lightroom or any of the other competition (DxO, CaptureOne) deserves to learn a bit of a hard lesson for making a poor choice.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (5, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a month ago | (#47344139)

Anyone who chose Aperture over Lightroom or any of the other competition (DxO, CaptureOne) deserves to learn a bit of a hard lesson for making a poor choice.

Apple has a long and hallowed history of terminating products without warning in favor of inadequate replacements, or even no replacements at all — Hypercard, anyone? Anyone who chose Apple over any of the other competition (not for the OS itself, although they've certainly played fast and loose with backwards compatibility at times, at other times they've had it spot-on) deserves to learn a bit of a hard lesson for ignoring history.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344719)

Emmm.. You mean like Google?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Google_services

http://www.wordstream.com/articles/google-failures-google-flops

http://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2013/06/27/discontinued-google-products-services

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a month ago | (#47344727)

Emmm.. You mean like Google?

How much did you pay for those services?

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344111)

Apple. You need a clear defined road map for your products. This app although not used in many businesses is still a good example of the rug being pulled out from under people. At least Apple is starting to make some announcements ahead of time which is a slight improvement over features and functions just disappearing without notice.

Re:Aperture-specific plugins... (4, Informative)

phantomfive (622387) | about a month ago | (#47344519)

Rule of thumb: if you are using Apple products, be sure to budget extra for version changes and compatibility issues, because that is the Apple way. Also, it cn be dangerous to skip versions (for example, the latest version of Pages won't open documents from Pages '08. If you don't buy the intermediate version, you're screwed).

Final Cut? (1, Troll)

SumDog (466607) | about a month ago | (#47343689)

I stopped using iPhone years ago because of it's horrible UI and way of pulling everything into its ecosystem. I hated the fact that Lion removed both spaces and expose and replaces them with the mission control rubbish. And I really hated how Apple destroied their Final Cut product and told professional video editors to basically use their new iMovie pro.

And yet people will tell you all the above is better, because they love Apple and can't see past that. It's like being with a women who started smoking cigarettes and puts on an extra 20kg. You still love her for some arbritrary reason of a memory of what she once was.

Re:Final Cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343767)

.....I hope there's more than someone's weight that makes you enter a relationship with them.

Re:Final Cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344115)

Of course. The woman must be attractive (skinny is most guys' idea of attractive) as well as have a good personality, a good life, etc.

Anyone who dates fat women is either A) low income, B) low self-confidence/self-esteem, C) A chubby chaser (maybe 1% of this category)

Re:Final Cut? (2)

amiga3D (567632) | about a month ago | (#47344245)

Well obese is one thing but society's idea of thin is what I consider anorexic. Most of the supposed "beautiful" women on TV and Movies need to gain about 10 pounds or so, they look sickly. I don't want to be able to count every rib.

Re:Final Cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344383)

Elipses. ...why? The weight issue was clearly portrayed as occuring after the relation ensued. So the hope would be that he doesn't exit the relationship Or rather, who gets the MBP after the split.

Re:Final Cut? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344465)

.....I hope there's more than someone's weight that makes you enter a relationship with them.

Boobs.

Re:Final Cut? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343777)

>It's like being with a women who started smoking cigarettes and puts on an extra 20kg.

You must be the most shallow man ever. Very shortsighted. HINT : you won't be looking better with passing years either.
(and most people lose weight while smoking - due to inhibited appetite or due to cancer)

> because of it's horrible UI

As opposed to what? If you stopped using iOS years ago, you only know a years old GUI. Not the new one. At the time you stopped using iOS, there wasn't anything better. And don't say Android. Android GUI was a pile of shit years ago. It's much better now. But don't compare todays Android with a several year old iOS.

> pulling everything into its ecosystem.

That's how iOS works. It was a design choice.

>Lion removed both spaces and expose and replaces them with the mission control rubbish

Except that Mission control is both at the same time. No functionality lost.

>And I really hated how Apple destroied their Final Cut product and told professional video editors to basically use their new iMovie pro.

Yes, FCPX 1.0 was god awful. But over the course of several update iterations they added quite a lot back into FCPX. There are still some FCP7 features missing, granted. But it's not an iMovie Pro. It is used by pros.

Re:Final Cut? (1)

umafuckit (2980809) | about a month ago | (#47343799)

The removal of spaces was a totally idiotic move. The only reason I'm still using the new Apple OSes is because of TotalSpaces, which brings back the functionality.

Re:Final Cut? (1)

peragrin (659227) | about a month ago | (#47343925)

um apple didn't remove spaces it is still there. I am using it now.

The just merged the functionality into expose. I middle click my mouse up comes expose and I select the desktop I want. if you have an app running on one desktop and you are in another just click on the app in the dock it will take you right there.

Re:Final Cut? (1)

Balthisar (649688) | about a month ago | (#47344415)

And it still works well with a keyboard. The only thing missing is a two dimensional grid, though.

I love full screen and spaces, and my mind handles the layout perfectly. I want to be able to have left-right orientation of major apps, and up-down orientation of the apps I'm using the support. Thus a 2D grid instead of the currently 1D line we have.

For example: I like Parallels to be far off to the right of my desktop. XCode to the left of my Desktop. OneNote under XCode. PHPStorm to the left of XCode. Photoshop under PHPStorm. Chrome to the immediate right of the desktop. Safari under it (sometimes I need Safari). In 1D, these are all spread out and it's too far to move.

/. must allow moderating of TFA (5, Insightful)

CaptainOfSpray (1229754) | about a month ago | (#47343693)

"to safely store all of your photos in iCloud" Rated +5, Funny. I don't mean any specific criticism of iCloud, but ...for God's sake...the idea that anything at all is "safe" in the cloud...is hilariously wrong.

Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343787)

Not Happy here
I like to take photos, lots of photos, and I'm happy with the way iPhoto can update my photo libraries across all my devices (3 macs, an ipad and an iphone) up to the last 1000 images
This works for me although I wish it would also update the metadata like location and face etc much of which gets changed or updated after the photo is automatically uploaded to icloud.
However
I am not always in a position to access the internet
and every download to my phone or ipad comes at a cost (mobile download caps)
If every time i wanted to look at a picture or show someone a series of photos it was going to have to be downloaded, well i will transfer my whole picture library to another photo manager
In Australia, my cable internet service is uncapped and relatively fast
When I am in Thailand my ADSL internet service is less than ideal and can fluctuate wildly from acceptable speed to barely better than dial up
and caps and limits make downloading/uploading photos all the time an unacceptable option

Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343801)

That's exactly what the new Photos app is fixing. Instead of synchronizing the last 1000 photos, it keeps all photos in the cloud and synchronizes only the ones needed, much like iTunes match. You get thumbs of all and automatic download and caching of the ones you use. I don't know about meta-data, but using the reversed paradigm of the new app, it would make sense to have that info in the cloud as well.

Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA (1)

queazocotal (915608) | about a month ago | (#47343907)

Woo - apple fixes slow internet and data caps - magic!

Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA (1, Informative)

amiga3D (567632) | about a month ago | (#47344363)

Apple giveth and Apple taketh away. Blessed be the name of Apple.

Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343909)

"to safely store all of your photos in iCloud" Rated +5, Funny.

I don't mean any specific criticism of iCloud, but ...for God's sake...the idea that anything at all is "safe" in the cloud...is hilariously wrong.

Of course its safe, its watched over by the NSA, and fully sanctioned by the gov.

My plan is to wait and see (2)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a month ago | (#47343697)

I've been using Aperture since it first came out.I never liked how Lightroom worked - it certainly has powerful capabilities, but you have to do things exactly the way it wants you to do them. Aperture seemed better at getting out of my way.

If the new Photos app doesn't have all of Aperture's tools, though, I may not have a choice. And, with Aperture gone, I imagine Lightroom will quickly switch to the subscription model Adobe is trying to force down our throats with all their other titles. But I'm going to wait and see what the new app is like before committing, one way or the other. Adobe's "double down on Lightroom" statement can be seen two ways - and one of them is they may be worried about what's coming.

Re:My plan is to wait and see (1)

Going_Digital (1485615) | about a month ago | (#47343743)

This is why I won't be switching to Lightroom, there is no way I am going to rent software from Adobe. The worst thing about this is that although other packages are available it was Aperture that put price pressure on Adobe. With a major low cost competitor out of the frame we can guarantee that Adobe will increase prices and kick back and watch the money come in.

Re:My plan is to wait and see (3, Funny)

Drishmung (458368) | about a month ago | (#47343781)

"More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."

Woody Allen

Re:My plan is to wait and see (1)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about a month ago | (#47344001)

Or Apple will push out their zero cost competitor. What would really stop Apple from stripping the best features from Aperture and putting them into iPhoto? TFA suggests that Aperture is being replaced, not discontinued.

Re:My plan is to wait and see (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about a month ago | (#47344063)

This is why I won't be switching to Lightroom, there is no way I am going to rent software from Adobe.

Lightroom can be purchased as a stand-alone product, [adobe.com] and Adobe currently has no plans [dpreview.com] to move LR to CC.

Re:My plan is to wait and see (1)

amiga3D (567632) | about a month ago | (#47344251)

The point was that Adobe has no plans currently to change because of Aperture's availability as a competitor. That could well change in which case Adobe will of course switch to a more lucrative (for them) plan.

Re:My plan is to wait and see (2)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about a month ago | (#47344333)

The point was that Adobe has no plans currently to change because of Aperture's availability as a competitor.

According to this, [adobe.com] Adobe is "doubling down" on LR in response to Apple's decision.

Of course, their VP of Products/Digital Imaging could be lying...but then his post on the Photoshop Blog would be pretty foolish, wouldn't it?

Re:My plan is to wait and see (1)

catmistake (814204) | about a month ago | (#47343883)

And, with Aperture gone

Ok, its another terrible idea from Apple made with absolutely no regard to their very supportive and loyal user base, but you're exaggerating tremendously.

Let me remind you that, although most users seem to be compulsive in how they click "update" whenever there is one available, its is a really dumb thing to do blindly and unnecessary except for three reasons and only three reasons: 1) you have security concerns and the update patches security holes; 2) the update has bug fixes of bugs you keep bumping into 3) the update has new features that you want. If you update for any other reason, or for no reason, you should have your head examined.

Abandoning development on Aperture does not mean that you can't continue to use it until the end of time. If you're happy with how it works now, rest assured, it will continue to work that way forever.

So bash Apple when you get a chance, but ffs relax. Apple is not going to come into your computer and disable Aperture! Its going to keep working for you if its working for you now. And if you were hoping to use it, and are afraid it will disappear forever, well, again, relax, that is impossible. But if you'd like an alternative that has just as much functionality as Lightroom or Aperture, take a look at Darktable [darktable.org] , which is Open Source and is not going anywhere.

Re:My plan is to wait and see (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344041)

I'd agree if we were talking about any other ecosystem but Apple. Apple is perfectly willing to leave Aperture dependent on an obsolete OS, which is in turn dependent on an obsolete hardware revision. So as long as the hardware you own today still runs (and I would say it's also fair to add: still not absurdly slow), great. 10 years from now, you could easily find that the latest Mac hardware doesn't support any version of OSX that Aperture ran on, and then you're screwed.

Re: My plan is to wait and see (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344739)

If your plain requires any software to be still working in 10 years you should rethink your plan.

Re:My plan is to wait and see (4, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | about a month ago | (#47344055)

"and are afraid it will disappear forever, well, again, relax, that is impossible"

You are wrong. You see you cant buy a disc with aperture on it, only via the app store... and if they remove it from the app store you cant reinstall it when your hard drive crashes. Therefore they CAN make it disappear. All they have to do is wait a short few years for that hard drive to fail.

Re: My plan is to wait and see (3, Insightful)

Henriok (6762) | about a month ago | (#47344173)

Apple is not responsible for data you own. They have zero obligation to keep your version in the App Store after you purchased it. You have to keep backup of your own data. The version you bought will keep working on contemporary hardware and operating system indefinitely and Apple can't and won't change that. That's in stark contrast to the subscription models that Adobe and Microsoft are pushing at the moment. When you stop paying, the software will stop to work.

Re: My plan is to wait and see (1)

quetwo (1203948) | about a month ago | (#47344443)

Yes, but you can't GET a backup installer, if you bought from the App Store. Oh, and the most recent versions, you could ONLY buy from the App Store. As soon as Apple removes it from the store, you can't re-install. You are not only responsible for the data you own, but the installers you use -- and you can't get access to them in this case.

Re: My plan is to wait and see (1)

CBM (51233) | about a month ago | (#47344717)

So as long as I don't upgrade my computer or my operating system, I can continue to use Aperture? Sounds like a great gift from Apple.

... I need to filter out the apple posts... (0)

Karmashock (2415832) | about a month ago | (#47343731)

Look, I don't mind getting significant updates on the apple world. But getting told that apple is dumping its current camera app for a similar camera app is not something I care about. Just me... I'm sure someone else does care. But I'd like to filter out these sort of minor updates about an operating system I don't care a great deal about.

Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343775)

Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... (1)

Karmashock (2415832) | about a month ago | (#47343915)

thanks... how do I get to that page... besides your link of course. I can't seem to find it otherwise.

Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... (3, Informative)

pauljlucas (529435) | about a month ago | (#47344093)

Then why don't you just set your /. preferences so you don't get Apple stories and be done with it? Why are you telling us? Learn how to use your account preferences.

Come on, folks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343765)

Apple knows what's good for you. It's the Apple way. Who are you to question Steve's wisdom? (Apple isn't a cult. It's a religion. Religions live on after their founder dies.)

Re: Come on, folks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343889)

Yes. Heaven forbids anyone actually likes Apple stuff. You are only allowed to hate it - as per /. protocol.
Now on the other hand, if you love Google and hate Apple then and only then are you a good /.er. As we all know only people who unconditionally love Google and the prophets of Brother Footnibbler Stallman and Mon signore Fuck you Torvalds are the true intelligent, free thinkers. Let's all be the same in our non-conformistic opinion.

Obligatory... (0)

Pseudonym (62607) | about a month ago | (#47343835)

I punched those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

Microsoft did exactly the same thing (0)

evilsofa (947078) | about a month ago | (#47343869)

If you think that Apple is trailblazing the neuterization of an in-house picture editor into a slide-show presenter, look at how MS transitioned what was Microsoft Digital Image in 2006 to Windows Photo Gallery 2012.

I would guess that both Microsoft and Apple lost the ability to offer competent tech support for the complicated features of photo editors, and decided to let Adobe handle that.

Re:Microsoft did exactly the same thing (2)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about a month ago | (#47343975)

Yes, one of the two major professional tools in the market place being discontinued for a yet-to-be-detailed replacement intended to cover both the prior professional market and the consumer market is indeed the same as Microsoft killing a product hardly anyone had heard of.

It is a trend (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343933)

There is a trend in Apple about going mass market and streamlining software, and in their minds this means removing features for the sake of being 'family friendly'. This is happening at all levels from the OS itself (remember spaces?) to any Apple-brand apps (Final Cut, Aperture, iWorks). In some cases Apple will simply discontinue their software overnight and leave their users in the dust, but in other cases it is actually worse. The Pages desktop word processor was discontinued and substituted with a port of the iPhone version, which doesn't support any of the advanced features, with the whole operation was masqueraded as an 'upgrade'. The new app actively destroyed user documents it didn't understand (most of them), overwriting them by default (no 'save' operation required, simply opening a document would destroy it, keep in mind 'save' is regarded as an advanced operation now).

You would expect a big corporation to be slow, clumsy but conservative and safe, with extremely long lines of support for their products. As you may remember, 'nobody gets fired for choosing IBM'. Well, Apple is slow and clumsy, but unpredictable and extremely unsafe. Betting your business in any kind of Apple hardware or software is an extremely stupid move. You should, and will be fired for choosing Apple.

Killing Aperture? (2)

Chas (5144) | about a month ago | (#47343979)

My buddy GLaDOS would have some words with you.

*Pulls out a portal gun*

Re:Killing Aperture? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344021)

Wipe the cheeto crumbs from your beard fatty.

Re:Killing Aperture? (1)

Chas (5144) | about a month ago | (#47344673)

Wipe the cheeto crumbs from your beard fatty.

They're Doritos you insensitive clod!

App and Cloud (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47343993)

Two words that should send professional users running for cover.

Given the size of raw images, the only way a cloud-based "app" could work with any speed would be if you kept your raw image on your device and the cloud only stored your editing diffs, which would be quick to download and apply to your image each time you opened the app. Of course, that negates the idea that "all your data belong to us" and means you have to carry all your raw images on all your devices to be able to access and edit them at whim.

I can see the point of using a remote server to hold images that have been captured away from your workstationbut once they've been downloaded there, there's no reason why a remote server need be involved in any editing activity. Or that an editor should be called an "app".

Buggerem, that's what I say!

Re:App and Cloud (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344049)

If you are working with raw images you are no longer in the market Apple is interested in.

Re:App and Cloud (2)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about a month ago | (#47344163)

If you are working with raw images you are no longer in the market Apple is interested in.

Apparently.

opensource it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344013)

Aperture started as a stolen idea (if not source code). Rumour had it that Lighteoom was already into dev cycle when Apple bought at least a part of the team that was working in the project. Now could these two big corporations that were once great software development companies get their act together and donate a piece of software that they don't see any profit in? and no, I'm not planning to give 20y worth of photo memories to nobody's cloud!

Re: opensource it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344027)

>Aperture started as a stolen idea (if not source code).

Source?
Dox, pix or it didn't happen.

They are following the app store model.... (2)

Lumpy (12016) | about a month ago | (#47344047)

How do you get to charge your customers for the same program again? You kill the app and re-release it as a "new product". Apple is just now realizing that the app store model doesn't keep the customer paying for upgrades.

Re:They are following the app store model.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344309)

iPhoto is free and I suspect its replacement will be the same. Do you have a quote that the new Photos will be a paid app or is your comment just negative spin?

Re:They are following the app store model.... (0)

jo_ham (604554) | about a month ago | (#47344555)

Great and incisive commentary... except that iPhoto and the replacement app that will be bundled with Yosemite are free.

So, kill your pro app that costs money to force people buy a free app that comes with the OS (which is also free).

The level if genius in your analysis must be beyond me.

Check some Facts (5, Interesting)

molnarcs (675885) | about a month ago | (#47344065)

I'm a photographer - not really affected by the change, been using Lightroom for 3 years now. But before Aperture users panic, take a look at what Thom Hogan writes about the change (he's more or less an Apple insider when it comes to photography): http://www.dslrbodies.com/acce... [dslrbodies.com]

Re:Check some Facts (1)

SpankiMonki (3493987) | about a month ago | (#47344109)

That's an interesting read - thanks for the link. The author makes some compelling arguments, but there's little in the way of hard facts in that article.

I'd also note that the author seems to have a bias against Adobe, as evidenced by his dismissive comments regarding Adobe's response to the Aperture news. [adobe.com]

Re:Check some Facts (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a month ago | (#47344767)

Of course there are no 'hard facts' - nothing has happened yet and both Adobe and Apple are renown for not being especially forthcoming.

Yes, Hogan (along with half the planet) doesn't like Adobe. He's been pretty negative about the whole Creative Clown, er Cloud, thing. But his underlying premise is interesting - that this is the first step in Apple rationalizing a photography workflow. It's not 'the' photography workflow and may not fit many professional / prosumer goals - but that doesn't appear to be Apples audience. Perhaps. Hard to say since, again, Apple isn't terribly forthcoming.

But you have two big hitters in this space: Apple and Adobe. It will be interesting to see how this falls out. For my purposes, I've never liked Aperture / iPhoto. The workflow just doesn't fit with how I do things and isn't terribly flexible. I've actually enjoyed Creative Clown as I get to use After Effects and Illustrator for a perfectly reasonable price but YMMV, but I can't stand Lightroom. No matter, Adobe has recently started behaving better. You can now keep old versions running for as long as you like. You can download CS6 - forever. Yes, subscriptions are annoying but so is pretty much everything else these days.

Re:Check some Facts (2)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about a month ago | (#47344155)

Well, it's mostly opinion, but while this user thinks there are MANY reasons to be dismissive of Adobe and Lightroom, the fact that Lightroom is monolithic isn't one of them--that's a pro, not a con. If I shoot a 5 shot HDR that's 90GB of RAW files before the working TIFF is generated. I'm going to store and manipulate them by pulling and pushing every byte to the cloud? Who's the winner there? Apple with more people paying for iCloud storage? Comcast and the cell phone carriers with data overages?
This might be geared to a casual snapshotting, but the numbers don't add up to make it a substitute for a pro-level package. The serious/professional photographer is the loser here.

Re:Check some Facts (1)

dfghjk (711126) | about a month ago | (#47344419)

I'm curious, what camera produces 18GB RAW images? Also, The "serious/professional photographer" doesn't do 5 shot HDR's and neither does Lightroom.

Re:Check some Facts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344573)

Clearly you know nothing about "Serious" photography. 5 shot HDRs are pretty much the norm using exposure bracketing. And that's for a single frame picture. If you plan on stitching multiple frames for a larger HDR panorama (plenty of examples of "serious" photographers who do this on Flickr) you are looking at multiples of 5 shots!

Re:Check some Facts (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | about a month ago | (#47344783)

Stack 5 shots of a raw file from a D800 and you'll get to 2 GB, not quite 90 ... Still not what I'd like to push across my typical sucks-to-be-me broadband Internet connection.
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Re:Check some Facts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344397)

I'm fairly Apple neutral, but I found that article painful to read. It reads as a rabid fanboy trying to twist publicly made statements to support his hopes for what this new app will be and convince himself and everyone else that this is going to be all peaches and sunshine, but with no facts to actually back that up.

And as if that weren't enough, he then goes on to make snide remarks about Adobe based on a public statement they made, questioning the truth behind every sentence in the statement. The irony it seems is lost on him considering he takes the Apple statements as gospel and truths.

Sheer insanity (4, Insightful)

Rick Zeman (15628) | about a month ago | (#47344117)

"With the introduction of the new Photos app and iCloud Photo Library, enabling you to safely store all of your photos in iCloud and access them from anywhere"

I'm going to have my 70GB Aperture library in the cloud? I'm going to replicate a RAW workflow in the cloud? I've NEVER had a desire to access that on my iPhone, nor can I imagine anyone did. If one had the desire to export to iCloud they could; no one was forced to. There's got to be something else going on here that we're not privy to, but based on what I've heard they'd be better off selling the product to Nik/Google than letting it die (and trust me, that was hard to type).

Re:Sheer insanity (2)

quetwo (1203948) | about a month ago | (#47344461)

You only have a 70GB library? Hell, I usually shoot 30 - 90GB each and every shoot I do. And I'm probably on the low end in my studio...

Re:Sheer insanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344695)

Easy there, it's not the size of your library, but how you take pictures. ;)
Seriously, you're approaching the filesizes equivalent to video folks. I've been photographing for over 10 years, and started out with film. I've spent 5 years as a tech specialist for ad/fashion photogs. Unless you're shooting a combination of stills and video on a digital back, your workflow is umm... bloated?

When I shoot only one object - whether it' a keyboard or a human model ("talent") for packaging design - I capture around ~2.5 gb for 150-200 images. I delete all the test and bad images whenever I can on the set. Last thing I want is for me or someone else down the line to waste storage space on these images. Most of my time is spent setting up the light and directing the talent; if not, then I'm waiting for the MUA, stylists, casting agent, or art director to do their jobs. Actually taking photos consumes 15-30 minutes. I back up the photo session on 2 external HDs at the end of the day before leaving the set. Sure, HDs are inexpensive these days, but I leave previous jobs' images on them as a form of redundant backup for as long as possible.

Then I have bank safety deposit I rent for $10/year and just deposit my other HDs every 3-4 weeks for redundancy. Screw the cloud.

My previous life I shot for newspapers, but everything has .jpg back then and it didn't really matter since it was going to be printed on toilet paper at 4x8 inches @ 150dpi at most anyways.

But I'm curious to learn what kind of subjects you photograph and how you manage your images?

Cloud as a requrement (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about a month ago | (#47344221)

Sucks.. Cloud as an additional option, ok.

So i assume that this new 'version' will be geared towards the home market and not professional. That seems to be the trend for apple.

In Other News (2)

Greyfox (87712) | about a month ago | (#47344281)

Cave Johnson burns down Steve Jobs' house with lemons.

FREE app that doesn't exist MAY HAVE less features (1)

gavron (1300111) | about a month ago | (#47344347)

So a FREE app (#1) for a small subset of people will soon be replaced by another FREE app (#2) for a small subset of people and the author thinks that #2 will have less features than #`1 but of course it will only affect a small subset of people.

Well tea in China may get expensive next year too.

Don't be beholden to one company, be it Apple, ChinaTeaCo, or anyone. Then you don't have to whine when one app you didn't pay a dollar for FREE app (#1 or #2) you don't feel like wadding up tissues and crying. Man up. Or woman up. Either way quit whining.

Free market. Haven't heard about it? That's where you can go buy things not made by Apple. Then you're not beholden to their stupid movements, bowel or market.

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Still Alive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47344581)

Don't worry, I'm sure Aperture is "still alive" in certain virtual machines.

It's a pity they killed it, just becase it did what id could, because it could.

I heard they made a neat photo app, for the virtual machines that are still alive.

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