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Google Kills Orkut To Focus On YouTube, Blogger and Google+

samzenpus posted about a month ago | from the so-long-farewell dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Bad news for Brazillians. Google's first social network, Orkut, will be shut down at the end of September. A farewell message on the Orkut blog reads in part: "Ten years ago, Orkut was Google's first foray into social networking. Built as a '20 percent' project, Orkut communities started conversations, and forged connections, that had never existed before. Orkut helped shape life online before people really knew what "social networking" was. Over the past decade, YouTube, Blogger and Google+ have taken off, with communities springing up in every corner of the world. Because the growth of these communities has outpaced Orkut's growth, we've decided to bid Orkut farewell (or, tchau). We'll be focusing our energy and resources on making these other social platforms as amazing as possible for everyone who uses them."

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But I thought it was already dead? (2)

Megane (129182) | about a month ago | (#47351105)

I thought Orkut was already scrapped a couple of years ago in the normal progression of Google abandoning old stuff. This is like hearing about a celebrity dying and your first thought is "he was still alive?"

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351171)

Not as dead as Google+. When will Google accept reality and let it die? I thought they were supposed to be smart?

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month ago | (#47351231)

Not as long as Facebook is getting some of peoples' personal information, and their data mines aren't fully loaded.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

GNious (953874) | about a month ago | (#47353253)

The 20-to-50-odd daily (non-spam) posts from various parties I get on Google+ tells me it is not dead.

Just because your friend and your mom doesn't use it, and therefore it is useless to you, doesn't mean it is dead.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351201)

I think in general it's best to assume any Google service is dead: you're probably right, or else you will be in a few years (except possibly for mail, maps, and google.com).

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

Urkki (668283) | about a month ago | (#47351543)

(except possibly for mail, maps, and google.com).

Don't jinx it!

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351699)

Why not? The only thing that Google really does better than anyone else is search (and maybe free machine translation). For everything else, there's a better or at least equivalent option.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (2)

cpghost (719344) | about a month ago | (#47351913)

Why not? The only thing that Google really does better than anyone else is search (and maybe free machine translation). For everything else, there's a better or at least equivalent option.

Gmail is actually doing quite a good job as well. What other mail provider does probably BCC every mail you receive and send to the NSA cloud for safekeeping and backup?

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 1 month ago | (#47358563)

The interface in Gmail has been getting more and more obnoxious. In the name of simplicity if I write a reply it does not even bother showing me the subject field anymore. WTF.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

Urkki (668283) | about a month ago | (#47352083)

Why not?

Spreading a new email address would be total PITA. Street view of Google Maps is kinda unique and useful. Bing sucks compared to Google.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (2)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about a month ago | (#47351223)

Not dead, it was actually pretty big in Brazil (therefore the tchau reference, which is how they say "ciao" in Brazilian Portuguese). Big in Brazil, not so much anywhere else.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

dafradu (868234) | about a month ago | (#47351741)

No! Brazilians don't use Orkut anymore, for a long time. Young kids probably never heard of it. They just say "I'll put that on face - i saw it in your face" etc. That or "whats", for WhatsApp. Yeah, i don't know why but they like to make things shorter.. kids, you know. Cheers from Brazil!

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (0)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about a month ago | (#47352121)

I guess this is why it's going away... if even Brasil is not using Orkut anymore, then no one is.

A side conversation.... and Apple really isn't even in the conversation at this point. At least Google has a social network or two to shut down. Apple had what, Ping? Because of lawsuits iMessage isn't going to spread much past iOS/MacOSX. Though I don't like the explosion of places im supposed to lose my privacy to... it's like Oprah Winfrey "You get a social network! You get a social network!..." the big guys need one.

Boa tarde....

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351363)

That'd be because nobody uses it... except just about every Brazilian. So you just don't know very many Brazilians, do you?

Me, I'm not into "social" anything, so have no accounts with any such service. I still think it's less than smart for google to up and dump something widely used in Brazil just because it isn't popular in their home town.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351539)

If Google kills unpopular services, why is Google+ not dead yet?

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | about a month ago | (#47351579)

If Google kills unpopular services, why is Google+ not dead yet?

Because Google tends to spam you to set up an account if you use any of their other services. If you define active as making more than 3 posts a month then over 99% of Google+ account's aren't active.*

* I made those numbers up, but they're probably reasonably close to true.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351785)

normal progression of Google abandoning old stuff. LOL

Progression, that's rich! No the normal thing for Google to do is to start something by having everyone else do it for practically nothing, and then when it comes time to put money into it they bail out. All this talk about Android and it was literally something they got for free, talk about Google Fiber and I have yet to get any conformation from Kansas as to if they installed it or had one of the other monopolies do it then took credit for making it happen. I could go on, but I will refrain.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (2)

TheRaven64 (641858) | about a month ago | (#47353531)

Part of the reason for Orkut's decline in the US was that it was overrun by Portuguese speakers (mostly Brazilian) who posted (in Portuguese) in every English-language discussion, making the system unusable by anyone who didn't speak Portuguese. For the same reason, it remained popular where Portuguese was the national language or commonly spoken.

Anyway, you've got to love the message from Google: Use social networks, you're giving a third party the ability to kill your online presence and the identity that you use for communicating with your friends on a whim!

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | about 1 month ago | (#47358071)

Anyway, you've got to love the message from Google: Use social networks, you're giving a third party the ability to kill your online presence and the identity that you use for communicating with your friends on a whim!

It's not the first time they send out this message. Didn't you hear about them dropping gtalk, and with it, XMPP support?

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about 1 month ago | (#47358581)

Google Talk was fine. Sure I use the service most often from inside a browser but if I wanted to use it all the time, as I do on occasion, a standalone client is a lot more energy efficient and convenient to use than running something inside a browser.

Re:But I thought it was already dead? (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | about a month ago | (#47390615)

I fail to see the correlation between dropping XMPP support and standalone clients being more efficient. There's plenty of standalone clients for XMPP, and there have been for many years.

Google, the enemy of Web preservation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351109)

They're into it until they get bored. So long, suckers.

Nobody used it anymore (2)

rbprbp (2731083) | about a month ago | (#47351137)

Orkut already was a wasteland 2~3 years ago as everyone in Brazil moved to Facebook. Not much will be lost.

Did I switch to slashdot archives by mistake? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351151)

I had exactly the same reaction when I read that Peter O'Toole died.

Re:Did I switch to slashdot archives by mistake? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351471)

OMG nooooo he is died? :-(

Re:Did I switch to slashdot archives by mistake? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351825)

Yeah he am dieded.

Alternate universe. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351169)

Google kills Youtube, Blogger and Google+ to focus on Orkut.

Bad news for Brazillians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351181)

That's a lot of people facing bad news :(

Re:Bad news for Brazillians (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351227)

That's a lot of people facing bad news :(

There is no Brazil. It is just a hologram projected by the Lizard People's satellite network.

I still use it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351185)

It's been very active lately with the world cup being here this year. not surprising they are scraping it, but still, if they think people will go to google plus over facebook, they're nuts...

Teh Google. Like Texas. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351241)

Likes to kill with impunity.

I went to check this blog post (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about a month ago | (#47351263)

and found that the nannyware at my office blocks Orkut. FB and Twitter work fine, so it looks like Orkut was sabotaged by the nannyware clowns at WatchGuard.

Come on Google (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351269)

I get why Google is getting rid of the service, but two months notice is the best that they can do?

For the random people that use Orkut like others use Facebook, it really is not a lot of time to figure out what to do with potentially gigabytes of information. That holds particularly true for anyone that is not technically savvy.

Seeing as they own Google+, it would seem like it would make more sense to have a single click to transition accounts over to Google+ rather than simply kill this for the people that use it. It's no wonder that people cannot trust Google to properly host their content.

How long before Blogger gets replaced and then defuncted?

Re:Come on Google (1)

Urkki (668283) | about a month ago | (#47351613)

it really is not a lot of time to figure out what to do with potentially gigabytes of information.

Anybody who stores (instead of just sharing, with actual storage elsewhere) gigabytes of information at any social service deserves what's coming to them.

Re:Come on Google (1)

Safety Cap (253500) | about a month ago | (#47363865)

For the random people that use Orkut like others use Facebook, it really is not a lot of time to figure out what to do with potentially gigabytes of information. That holds particularly true for anyone that is not technically savvy.

How long does it take to slide over to Google Takeout [google.com] and download all of your data?

A few minutes? An hour?

When Goog crushed Wave, I downloaded all my stuff in a matter of minutes. Couldn't really do much with it, but it lowered my White Hot Rage down to Red.

Google+ has taken off? (1)

gte275e (91656) | about a month ago | (#47351337)

Really? Google+ has taken off? That is news to me and anyone working outside of Google.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (4, Informative)

Grishnakh (216268) | about a month ago | (#47351395)

Really? Google+ has taken off? That is news to me and anyone working outside of Google.

It's their attempt at a Big Lie: a lie repeated over and over until everyone believes it's true.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351449)

G+ is awesome. The smart techy type people do use it. If you aren't on it, that says a lot more about you than about it.

Re: Google+ has taken off? (3, Insightful)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about a month ago | (#47351567)

Marketing a special social network for smart people is like marketing a special vanilla-creme filled chocolate cheesecake to health fanatics.

Which is to say, the moment they take the bait is the moment they demonstrate they're not whom you thought they were...

Re:Google+ has taken off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351745)

The only people I know who are on it are pretty much tech journalists, and they use it for the same reason they use dozens of other social media outlets: because they have to. Literally nobody I know of uses Google+ as their main social media page, much less to the exclusion of other sites like Facebook. Which is to say that even for the "techy" people using it, it's an also-ran.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about a month ago | (#47353913)

G+ doesn't have to be your main social anything.

...but it is fantastic for specialized groups, and its sharing and permissions model is still way ahead of Facebook.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47354081)

Of course it doesn't have to be your main social anything. It also doesn't have to exist. The point is it's not important even to most of the relatively small number of people who use it. They don't rely on it for anything, it's more like a checkbox on their list of social media outlets to spam.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (2)

mythosaz (572040) | about a month ago | (#47355171)

It's easy to say when you're not using it.

It has a good number of active users, myself included, who use it to communicate with people in specialized niches (Android developers, Ingress players, brewers, poker players, blah blah blah).

Re:Google+ has taken off? (1)

rtb61 (674572) | about 1 month ago | (#47356047)

G+, yep lots and lots of smart techy types certainly are on it, how much they use it, is another question all together. It must be the social app with the greatest number of registered members who never use the social app.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (1)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | about a month ago | (#47351459)

It's taken off in the sense that it gets shoven down your throat every time you sign up for a Google service.

Of all the Google+ accounts (basically all Google accounts), how many actually log into that specific service?

Re:Google+ has taken off? (2)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about a month ago | (#47351619)

Not only that, but its tied into the search engine as well - you can only establish canonical authorship on your own website of something by linking it with your Google+ account. Which means that not having a Google+ account can affect your page rank.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351789)

It's used pretty heavily by certain communities. According to our web proxy that blocks it and all other social networks we know about, Google+ has about 1% of the attempted traffic as Facebook. That is pretty big. Of course our numbers are biased because we're doing a project in Google Dart, and the developers need, but are not allowed, to access Google+ for Dart announcements.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (0)

jetkust (596906) | about a month ago | (#47351865)

Don't you basically have to sign up for Google+ when you get an Android phone just to get to the Play Store and download apps? I'd suspect most people have google+ accounts and are actively using it, so it HAS taken off. It's just not the same as a Facebook account. It's used differently.

Re:Google+ has taken off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352337)

It's gaining more traction everyday.

Thanks Facebook!

Re:Google+ has taken off? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352753)

They meant it was taken off of Google's search results page.

"Google+ has taken off" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351371)

Yeah, ok.

Google Kills Google+ to Focus on Killing Stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351495)

Google announced today that it is killing Google+ in order to have more time to kill other products. Integrating Google+ into things was actually taking engineers away from their primary task of killing products.

Obligatory Orkut joke (4, Funny)

ribuck (943217) | about a month ago | (#47351551)

Larry Page says to Sergey Brin: "Hey Sergey, did you know that Orkut has ten million Brazillian users?"

Sergey looks puzzled, then says "Larry, remind me again how many is a brazillion..."

Re:Obligatory Orkut joke (1)

Extremus (1043274) | about a month ago | (#47351967)

how many is a brazillion...

= the number of Brazilians queued at passport control in Miami Airport?

Long and drawn-out death but will be missed (3, Informative)

vivaoporto (1064484) | about a month ago | (#47351711)

Orkut is dead a long time ago but it was not always this cesspool of spam, chain letters and filth. Once upon a time it was a cool project.....

In the best of my recollection, once upon a time, in 2004, Orkut (the site) was nothing but a 20% project of some Orkut Buyukkokten dude on Google. It had a simple goal: to connect Orkut (the dude) with his close friend and to map the whole six degrees of separation thing. In an era of the web development when breadcrumbs where not in vogue Orkut (the site) had it, even two: one with the degrees of separation between you and whoever profile you were viewing (through your common friends network) and the other with the degrees of separation between you and Orkut (the dude).

And in the very beginning it worked because it was invite only and that made the invitees to be more or less part of the same socioeconomic and cultural background (even among countries). Orkut (the dude) invited his pals on Google Campus and on Stanford. Some Stanford dude invited some Brazilian dude on a federal university (UFRGS), who invited his pals on campus, who invited some pals on other federal universities (UTMG, UFV, UFRJ) and, in the invite only degrees of separation phase, everything was good and beautiful.

Everybody knew everybody else, connections were forged, Adam Rifkin gamed the system, some robot put people in jail, baby animals got lasers and everybody partied hard.

The it died, the cool kids moved away either to Facebook or completely away from public social networks. Now get off my lawn!

Don't depend on a social network (1)

cpghost (719344) | about a month ago | (#47351819)

Google suspending Orkut is but a tiny example of why you better communicate with people by using e-mail directly. Or, if you must, go the old fashioned way (*cough* Usenet *cough*). But rely on a specific social network run by a single company, and you're sure that it will be shut down sometimes down the road. Even Facebook, not to mention Google+ will someday go the way of Geocities.

Focus on Blogger \o/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47351833)

Focusing on blogger would be excellent. This is one of few places an activist can write something, get DDoSed, and Google will treat the activist who's publishing something others don't like as the victim of the DDoS rather than the perpetrator like every other ISP. They will take a multi-gigabit syn flood for you for $0. It's an amazing position to start from.

It's also an important thing for the Internet. Writing long screeds of text seems like a great idea in this short-attention-span world. For geeks, it's also a useful way to document technical things, better than Stack Overflow and stupid chatty videos. I don't have a learning disability, thanks, and would like my information in searchable, organized written form.

but the product has become boring, limited compared to competing blogs to start out with and no new features have been added aside from pestering you to join G+, and all the noticeable changes they've made are worse than nothing: fancy glitzy Javascript crappo and trendy design-fascist scrollbars that don't work. If they hype it up as something they're "focusing" on, maybe some senior programmers will get to work on it and mentor the guys doing all this pointless tinkering.

Re:Focus on Blogger \o/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352177)

tl;dr

Now we just need to kill the rest of 'social' (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47352149)

I keep wondering when the world will wake up and realize that 'social networking' is a scam. How many times in how many ways does Facebook have to ream its user base before people realize that they are being abused there? How many times in how many ways do people's personal information (posts, contacts, emails, etc) have to be mined, analyzed and resold/abused before people realize that they are the 'product' with these free 'social' services? What do you think happens with everything you do with Gmail (your contacts, the emails, etc)? Using Google Docs for business documents, really?

I mean, really, people get into a tizzy over the NSA gathering phone numbers and then blithely post all sorts of confidential information on social networks that, in many cases explicitly, mine and resell that information (or simply republish that info the internet at large where everyone, including the NSA, can see it)?

Social networking is just playing a bunch of narcissists for stooges. Still mystified that it is taking people so long to realize it.

I like how they worked in a little humor (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a month ago | (#47352179)

So Google+ has apparently taken off! I must have missed the memo!

Well, I suppose if the frame of reference was Orkut, then yes it has. Sure, Google+ has tens of millions of members... who aren't actually aware they are members of Google+.

Google+ has taken off? (1)

houghi (78078) | about a month ago | (#47352189)

If it has taken off, it means that anoying everybody into pulp works.

And nothing of value was lost (1)

slashdice (3722985) | about a month ago | (#47352443)

Maybe next they'll pull the plug on google+ try giving a shit about search results sucking Malda's sweaty asshole.

XKCD: my turn to make the obligatory link (1)

bargainsale (1038112) | about a month ago | (#47353311)

What, nobody make the XKCD reference yet? Too proud?

http://xkcd.com/1361/ [xkcd.com]

Brazil killed it (1)

kuzb (724081) | about a month ago | (#47353401)

Page after page after page of retarded HEUAHEUAHEUA. When brazillians invade a service they crap on it to the point nobody else wants to use it.

Re:Brazil killed it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47354655)

HEUAHEUAHEUA

Re:Brazil killed it (1)

fabioalcor (1663783) | about 1 month ago | (#47356573)

True. We Brazilians even coined a term in Portuguese: "orkutizar" ("orkutize"), that is, invade and ruin with crappy stuff a service that was good once.
For the record, many of us are not proud of it though.

Little death (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about a month ago | (#47354265)

"Orkut" is Finnish slang for orgasms (the singular is "orkku").

Google originally stole Orkut Code (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47354367)

Albeit from another company that Orkut the human worked at. Marvelous to time travel back to the days where Google was about to IPO, Friendster was in play, and Facebook had yet to flourish.

From: http://archive.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2004/06/64046

Lawsuit: Google Stole Orkut Code
Daniel Terdiman Email 06.30.04
A small social-networking software company has filed suit against Google, claiming that much of the source code behind orkut.com, the search engine's popular social service, was stolen by a former engineer.

In its lawsuit, Affinity Engines, based in Palo Alto, California, said engineer Orkut Buyukkokten illegally took the code that he had written for the company -- which he co-founded -- with him when he joined Google. Affinity Engines also claimed that Buyukkokten promised Affinity Engines that he wouldn't develop a competing social-network service for Google. Affinity Engines, which filed the claim on May 25 in Santa Clara Superior Court, is seeking unspecified damages and royalties.
In addition to nearly identical text found in similar features in orkut.com and Affinity Engine's social-networking products, the suit cited several identical software problems in each company's service.

"In its initial investigation, AEI (Affinity Engines) uncovered a total of nine unique software bugs ... in AEI's inCircle product that were also present in orkut.com," according to the lawsuit. "The presence of these bugs in both products is highly indicative of a common source code.... orkut.com contains software and source code copied, developed or derived from AEI's inCircle software or source code."

After graduating from Stanford in 2001, Buyukkokten and fellow graduate Tyler Ziemann built a social-networking service called Club Nexus, which they sold to Stanford for use by the university's undergraduates, according to the lawsuit. Club Nexus was a success, and Buyukkokten and Ziemann subsequently decided to form Affinity Engines and design a product for the Stanford Alumni Association called inCircle.

As a developer of social-networking software for university students and alumni, Affinity Engines was among the first players in what has become a very crowded field. Today, social-networking services like Friendster, Tribe, LinkedIn and orkut attract millions of users by giving them a way to easily connect to friends and friends' networks of friends.

Meanwhile, for Google, the suit comes at an awkward time. The company is currently in the process of an initial public offering, which is expected to be one of the biggest ever. But Affinity Engines isn't the only company suing Google. Among others, the company faces a patent-infringement suit from Overture regarding auctioning placement in search-engine results.

For its part, Google shrugged off Affinity Engines' allegations.
"Affinity Engines has not provided any evidence to Google that their source code was used in the development of orkut.com," wrote David Krane, the company's director of corporate communications, in a statement to Wired News. "We have repeatedly offered to allow a neutral expert to compare the codes in the two programs and evaluate Affinity's claims, but Affinity has rejected that offer. We have investigated the claims ... thoroughly and concluded that the allegations are without merit."

The origins of the orkut code dispute arose, the lawsuit claimed, when Buyukkokten, a Turkish citizen, decided to take a job with Google to solve his visa problems. He continued to work on inCircle, however, and signed agreements in 2002 and 2003 stating that any social-networking technology he created belonged to Affinity Engines, the company said.

But, the suit alleged, Google soon became interested in owning a social-networking service. When its $30 million offer to buy Friendster was spurned, it turned to Buyukkokten.

"In July 2003, based on oral statements and written assurances from ... Buyukkokten, AEI was led to believe that Buyukkokten was not involved in any software development efforts related to social networking at Google," the company claimed in the lawsuit. "Buyukkokten copied and otherwise used inCircle source code still in his possession," Affinity Engines claims. "At no time during his communications with AEI prior to Jan. 22, 2004, did Buyukkokten reveal that he was developing ... orkut.com."

The suit also provided anecdotal detail about why it believes Buyukkokten broke his agreement. On Jan. 24, Google threw a launch party for orkut.com. As the party was going on, Ziemann, who didn't know about the new site, called Buyukkokten on his cell phone. "Apparently assuming that Ziemann had just learned of the website, Buyukkokten's first comment to Ziemann was, 'I hope you aren't mad at me,' to which Ziemann replied, 'Why would I be mad at you?'" the lawsuit said.
Affinity Engines chief executive Brian Samuels said that just days later, his company let Google know there was a problem. After several months of little or no relief from Google, Affinity Engines decided to file its suit. But it decided to lay low in hopes that it wouldn't "inflame Google," said Samuels.

Regardless, Affinity Engines said in the filing that it hopes for compensatory and punitive damages from Google, as well as royalties for revenue earned by orkut. It argued that Google's access to the intellectual property Buyukkokten brought from Affinity Engines helped get orkut quickly and unfairly to market.

S--L--O--W (1)

shameless (100182) | about a month ago | (#47354553)

I abandoned Orkut well before the Brazilian invasion due to hideously slow performance. Back then it was because I thought that Google had simply badly under-provisioned a "20%" project. Then I remembered another early social network, Friendster, that also collapsed due to hideously slow performance. Basically, the first social networks failed to take into account the issue of scaling to massive numbers of users... and you *need* massive numbers of users to make the site interesting and to accommodate everyone's six-degrees-of-friends. Facebook figured that out with its fuzzy updates and randomized newsfeeds that hide the fact that an individual's view of the database is almost never consistent.

Death of Orkut (1)

karkalim (1486051) | about 1 month ago | (#47356791)

I thought this was long gone. I tried using it early on but and it never gained any traction. I don't think folks in the US took it seriously. It was way early as a social media platform, but when Twitter came along, it blew it away.
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