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Gamestop's Ludicrous Idea: Require Preorders To Unlock Custom Game Content

Soulskill posted about a month ago | from the preorder-now-to-unlock-moving-at-shooting-at-the-same-time dept.

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MojoKid writes: One of the great universal truths of modern gaming is that preorder bonuses suck. The term refers to the practice of ordering a title at some point before it actually ships in order to get access to a variety of minor outfit tweaks, a few starting weapons, or boosts to early gameplay. Today, some publishers take this practice to truly ridiculous levels; the recent game Watch Dogs has no fewer than nine pre-order options. GameStop, perhaps sensing that there's pressure building against the model, wants to turn the dial up to 11 — and create preorder-locked, GameStop-specific content. According to financial analyst Colin Sebastian, "[GameStop] indicates that software publishers are more enthusiastic about partnering with it. For example, by offering exclusive content on each major game release and longer term, future models may include GameStop offering exclusive gameplay." GameStop is enjoying something of a renaissance at the moment. The company has captured a greater share of the Xbox One and PS4 market than it held at this point in the console cycle last time around and it's clearly looking to increase the attractiveness of its own business. That's fine but this kind of arbitrary lopping off of content to boost sales at particular shops simply isn't going to sit well with most gamers.

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glad i stopped gaming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418573)

this is even more retarded that a photoshop subscription.

Re:glad i stopped gaming... (4, Insightful)

Onuma (947856) | about a month ago | (#47418751)

Don't worry. Pirates will make this right.

Re:glad i stopped gaming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420153)

Way ahead of you.

DLC, DRM, intentionally crippled PC version? Did ubisoft REALLY expect PC gamers to support this kind of abuse?

Re:glad i stopped gaming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47422017)

Ask a pirate "what is DRM" they'll tell you DR what? In fact pirates are lucky, they never have to deal with shitty DRM that only gives legit users lots and lots of problems.

Re:glad i stopped gaming... (1)

YoungManKlaus (2773165) | about a month ago | (#47422645)

douchey restriction management

Re:glad i stopped gaming... (1)

Clockwurk (577966) | about a month ago | (#47423929)

Almost every new PC game has DLC
Almost every new PC game has DRM

Yes, they expect you to react the same as you have to every other title.

Re:glad i stopped gaming... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47422785)

It's as if the piracy was turning down a notch for a while since it's glory days a tad less than a decade ago. Steam improved a lot, there were good alternatives for piracy forming quickly in responce to the calculated losses piracy caused. Now, though, it's as if once the pirates moved to legitimate channels they're being totally milked for every last drop of cash and respect towards game publishers.

Won't be long until piracy starts booming again. Although, instead of piracy, I'd like to see more high quality big indie projects, such as Wasteland 2, starting to form up and take give proper earings directly to the developers.

Or not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418585)

That's fine but this kind of arbitrary lopping off of content to boost sales at particular shops simply isn't going to sit well with most gamers.

Except that is exactly what DLC is, and gamers have sat well with it for most of the last console generation.

Or Nintendo (1)

gameboyhippo (827141) | about a month ago | (#47419771)

Not necessarily. Nintendo does DLC very differently in a consumer friendly manner. I don't see them ever doing crap like this.

Already Happened (1)

Joe Gillian (3683399) | about a month ago | (#47418625)

Deus Ex: Human Revolution came out a few years ago, with a "Mission Pack" that involved rescuing a character who appears in the original Deus Ex during the latter third of the game. That content was exclusive to GameStop pre-orders for a few years, but then Square-Enix decided to sell it as DLC on Steam. A lot of people condemned this practice, and there were some pretty hilarious reactions (look up "Deus Ex Unreal Revolution" on YouTube, I'm at work so I can't link it).

Publishers won't allow this to happen because they want to make the most money off pre-orders they can, and that means making content available on all platforms and ensuring everyone can pay extra for whatever content they've decided to lock away. I know that I won't buy any games that do this.

Re:Already Happened (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | about a month ago | (#47418969)

Yeah, I'm a bit confused because I thought this had become common practice. For a few years now, I've seen a bunch of games where you get some special content (a different outfit, or starting the game with some bonus or special gear) when you pre-order from a specific store. Since it's different "special content" for different stores, you'd have to buy multiple copies of the game to get all of the content. Then, after some period of time, the game releases all of the special gear as "DLC", and then it's also is included in the GoTY edition (or whatever they feel like calling the edition that includes all the updates and DLC).

Is there a difference between that and what we're talking about? I'm not sure I really see the problem. These bit of "special content" are usually kind of stupid, like maybe you start with a extra bit of body armor and some shotgun shells or something.

Plus, honestly, I usually wait until the "extra special edition" is on sale on Steam before I buy games these days. Not that I would expect everyone to wait, but it's kind of great. I avoid the hype machine and get to see what people think after the hype has died down, you get all the DLC, additional content, and bug fixes all at once, and you get it for 40% off or something.

Re:Already Happened (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419219)

+1, Like, favorite, retweet

Re: Already Happened (2)

alen (225700) | about a month ago | (#47420409)

You're obviously an idiot, moron and a troll for not buying a game a year before release date

Re:Already Happened (1)

praxis (19962) | about a month ago | (#47420615)

you'd have to buy multiple copies of the game to get all of the content.

It would appear that publishers are cashing in on people's fear of missing out, but I wonder what proportion of gamers actually shell out the price of a game multiple times just to have two different pre-order items. I also wonder what proportion of gamers just wait for the release then read the reviews or watch "Let's Play" videos before making a purchase decision and "miss out" on the (mostly pointless) pre-order items.

Re:Already Happened (1)

thejynxed (831517) | about a month ago | (#47433361)

What's apparently happening here (didn't RTFA) according to the summary, is that they are looking to have non-fluff, etc content added specifically to the Gamestop versions of titles - meaning an actual part of the game is exclusive for their version (imagine playing a version of The Witcher for instance, that was missing an entire chapter from your version because it wasn't the Gamestop one).

Re:Already Happened (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419063)

Daggerfall had custom content and that was 1996. (CompUSA edition had 16 extra quests)

Re:Already Happened (1)

thejynxed (831517) | about a month ago | (#47433267)

Yes, but as in all of the Elder Scrolls titles, you'd almost never hit all of the quests in the game even in 5 or 6 playthroughs (because funny things happen, like questgiver NPCs dying to randomly wandering monster spawns or overly zealous town guards), so those 16 quests were basically useless fluff.

Steam does this, no? (1)

Anathem (1983388) | about a month ago | (#47418643)

Doesn't this already happen on Steam? Then the extra content is released later as DLC?

The only pre-order bonus (2)

MRe_nl (306212) | about a month ago | (#47418649)

The only pre-order bonus you should ever give is a discount. I understand the will to preferably "sell-out" pre-order, but all you can really do is give a bigger pre-order discount. All other options are Pandora's boxes.
"Unlockables" should always be in-game content.
"Custom" should be reserved for skins/cosmetics, not content.

Just my 2 eurocent.

Re:The only pre-order bonus (1)

Onuma (947856) | about a month ago | (#47418857)

Plenty of studios understand this very well.

Subset Games, who created "FTL: Faster Than Light", recently released their port to iOS, including content that did not exist in the original game. To show that they still appreciated their original customers, they released all of this content for all platforms simultaneously.

That's business done well, for the sake of the devs and the gamers. Sure, Subset makes slightly less profit in the short run, considering they could have released the add'l content as DLC (which really would have been fine, in the end, as long as it was appropriately priced). This way they'll actually make more money over the long term, because customers remember when they're treated well and given quality products with a highly-perceived value.

Re:The only pre-order bonus (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about a month ago | (#47419041)

FTL. Never had any "iOS specific content". They had announced the new features well before any mention of an iOS port.

Re:The only pre-order bonus (1)

Onuma (947856) | about a month ago | (#47419567)

Fair enough. My misinterpretation then.

Still, it is good on Subset for releasing free additional content which many companies would charge extra to obtain.

Re:The only pre-order bonus (2)

The Rizz (1319) | about a month ago | (#47421859)

Actually, the pre-order bonuses should be something outside the game, like the ones Dishonored did. Tarot cards, a game-themed USB lamp, etc.

Give us something tangible, none of this "exclusive content" crap that's either pointless (different in-game clothing, a slightly-better starting weaon that you won't use past 15 minutes into the game, etc.), or is cool but will be available in DLC/GotY/etc. in six months.

Make it T-shirts, skinned USB sticks, or something else that we might still give a crap about by the time the next game comes around.

Re:The only pre-order bonus (1)

PTBarnum (233319) | about a month ago | (#47422507)

But Dishonored also had several different sets of in-game bonuses depending on which store you bought the game from.

Re:The only pre-order bonus (1)

The Rizz (1319) | about a month ago | (#47429493)

Yes, but none of them modified the game itself in any way, and were not implemented as one-time-use codes. You could easily get most of the items cheaply on eBay or Amazon Marketplace right after the game came out (and still can). Try to reliably get a one-time code (that most people put in right away), and if you do, trust that it's unused (and try to prove that you didn't use it if it's not).

This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (4, Interesting)

doctor woot (2779597) | about a month ago | (#47418651)

Gamestop is depending on a market with idiosyncratic practices. These practices may themselves seem strange or senseless, but if one is to take these as cultural shortcomings then the fault lies with the consumer, not Gamestop. This is an industry where the cozy relationship between critics and publishers is no secret, where being excited regarding an event consisting entirely of three days of advertisements is considered normal. If this idea seems exploitative, it's only because they're serving a demographic that wants to be exploited.

Re:This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a month ago | (#47418725)

Well said.

The only way for this kind of abusive marketing to be stopped would be for gamers to boycott the products and vendors, which would be like meth-heads boycotting meth.

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418811)

Funny how more and more people resort to downloading the ripped versions and not buying games legitimately. I'd say that is a fairly obvious slice of gamers that have voted to boycott. Have your "Meth" for free.

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419127)

Funny how more and more people resort to downloading the ripped versions and not buying games legitimately. I'd say that is a fairly obvious slice of gamers that have voted to boycott. Have your "Meth" for free.

Then you don't understand the concept of a boycott.

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419435)

Not doing business with a company who's practices you disagree with. Last I checked a pirate doesn't pay. I'd say I understand just fine.

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (1)

H0p313ss (811249) | about a month ago | (#47419719)

There's a difference between boycott and theft.

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419987)

So is theft and sharing. (Or piracy.)

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | about a month ago | (#47420075)

There is also a difference between rhetoric and propaganda.

Conflation of copyright infringement with theft is a case of the latter.

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420901)

Yeah, yeah, we all know, semantics aside the point is that piracy does not have the same effect as a boycott. The big publishers have a pretty decent ballpark estimate of how many people are pirating their games, the only lesson they take from it is 'we need more obtrusive DRM and then some of these people will buy'.

If you were to not play these consumer-unfriendly games at all and instead spend your money on games from studios that actually give a shit about their customers, THAT would send a message. But that would require having actual principles rather than just being a cheap bastard.

Re: This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (1)

Jameel Aboulhosn (3740015) | about a month ago | (#47419837)

Boycotting by obtaining somethign risk-free (other than the low risk of arrest) is not equivalent to boycotting by outright refusing to purchase AND partake in a product or service. That's like saying "I'm boycotting McDonalds" while your friend buys you McDoubles on their dime every day.

Re:This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (1)

praxis (19962) | about a month ago | (#47420841)

Well said.

The only way for this kind of abusive marketing to be stopped would be for gamers to boycott the products and vendors, which would be like meth-heads boycotting meth.

They need not even boycott the products. They could wait for the release of the game, study the game's reception, and then if still excited, buy it. If publishers saw that only a minority a game's sales happened during presale shenanigans, they might start putting that effort into more interesting things.

Re:This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419873)

I'll add to this: as long as they aren't restricting content that would already be available if not for exclusivity deals, then you should have no problem with this. Besides, as a former GS drone, I'd imagine this just involves a separate scratch off ticket when you pick up the game with a code on it. Just use the code and return the sealed game.

Re:This idea isn't ludicrous, it's sensible (1)

doctor woot (2779597) | about a month ago | (#47420433)

Exclusivity deals aren't a problem either. This strategy is not hidden from consumers, as in the case of, say, a manufacturer lowering the quality of the materials in their products while taking steps to maintain the appearance of the former product. In this case consumer consent is necessary, the opportunity to obfuscate facts is not presented from the idea in question. The information consumers use in assessing whether the product is worth the cost goes unaffected.

Just another sign of poor financial planning (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418663)

Development studios will do anything to ensure their bank accounts stay positive until they can release a game.

It won't be popular with gamers, but it is busines (1)

Sally Bowls (2952007) | about a month ago | (#47418677)

There are clothes lines and appliance lines that are exclusive to a particular retailer. There are even in-game bonuses you get that are different if you buy a game time/point card at Walmart versus Target versus Amazon. Gamestop using its market power to do this is no different than it using it to get a bigger discount or larger advertising budget from the developer.

Re:It won't be popular with gamers, but it is busi (1)

Cederic (9623) | about a month ago | (#47422485)

If I buy a washing machine at Target I don't have to buy it again at Walmart to get the 'cotton' wash cycle, and again at Amazon to get the 'drain water at the end of the cycle' feature.

Gamestop are intentionally causing game content fragmentation that diverts development resource and/or prevents customers cost-effectively acquiring the full game content.

It's stupid, it's malicious and it's why everybody over the age of 30 waits for a steam sale to buy the game and its DLC these days, rather than buying half a game upfront.

I love downloadable content! More please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418701)

The last several games I played, I downloaded the entire content using bittorrent.

Re: I love downloadable content! More please. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418739)

Exactly. This only gives additional reasons to use the "free" option that torrents offer and skip buying the drm laden/online hobbled version supplied by vendors.

16bit bliss (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about a month ago | (#47418747)

So, there are these consoles called the SNES (Super Famicom), and the Sega Genesis (Mega Drive). Back in those days, we didn't have any of that shit to deal with. Oh, except for the long lines of picking up our copies of Street Fighter and Mortal Combat. Oh the simple days of bliss. All you poor bastards, why do you even bother?

Re:16bit bliss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418841)

My SNES and Genesis both still work and I occasionally play games on them.

Re:16bit bliss (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about a month ago | (#47418995)

Mine don't, but I still play them (though rarely).

zsnes and the like, you know ;)

Re:16bit bliss (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418879)

In my day, we have to wait in line for 3 hours for the file servers to recognize our presence and let us start downloading a 7GB compressed game file. 2 hours later when it's downloaded, we get to wait through a 15 minute unpacking process, which is followed by the game double-checking with the same overloaded file servers to confirm that it was downloaded legally. Next up are the 15 day-0 hotfixes and possible a console OS patch. Once that's done, we get to watch a 24 minute unskippable sequence of animated logos of every organization mildly involved in producing the game. Then the game starts with a 2 hour long tutorial sequence randomly interjecting quick-time and FMV events into the sporadic action.
Then after all that, you know what we get? 15 minutes of pseudo-open gameplay before accidentally triggering a game-end event because it looked like a harmless side-quest instead of being the culmination of the core storyline!

Re:16bit bliss (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420799)

I'm assuming your day was the 90s to early 2000s and so I insta-flag your comment as BS. There was no game in all that time period that ever amounted to 7gb in size, even with all its patches - not even until last generation including Rome TW, Medieval 2, and other large games. But the cavilcade of unskippable cutscenes, good jesus. "EA, challenge your patience!" They were the worst and I don't miss that shit.

Re:16bit bliss (1)

pkinetics (549289) | about a month ago | (#47420277)

Time to dust off the Super Famicom and fire up Area 88

To what end? (3, Insightful)

tyggna (1405643) | about a month ago | (#47418759)

Is this supposed to get me to buy through gamestop? Is this their effort to claw at a dwindling physical-medium retail space?

No amount of douche-baggery will cause me to give up my preferred method of spending money. If I want the release-night environment and other anonymous gamers to talk to while waiting for my copy, then gamestop it is. If I want to forego putting on pants, I'll go with a digital distributor, and no amount of virtual clothing tweaks or outlet-specific items can make me put on my pants!

Well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418767)

You know who's not getting my money? Gamestop and every publishers who think this is a good idea.
Not that I've even shopped at gamestop in the last 10 years. PC gaming all the way.

Gamer Masochism vs Self Interest (0)

Crashmarik (635988) | about a month ago | (#47418853)

Be interesting to see what wins. So far masochism looks like it dominates every online game I have ever seen. I remember when City of Heroes launched going rogue, and had Gamestop only gear. I have to think that pissed off veteran players who didn't need to buy the game and people in other countries that didn't get access. Can't imagine that anyone who didn't like Gamestop but played the game was happy about this either.

Anyway look at any MMO's forums.

1 Comment the game is horribly buggy, Response all software has bugs you should learn to live with it.
2. Game breaking bugs are not being fixed in a timely fashion. Response: Programming is hard did you expect these people to do it right ?
3. Continual rebalancing of the game resulting in stranded non performing characters. Response: That's the life of an online gamer.
4. Developers shifting ever more content into layered methods of cash extraction, gets a non response.

I can certainly appreciate the feeling ardent players have to support their favorite online games, but you do have to wonder at what point they wake up and realize that the publishers see them as nothing but a bunch of greenbacks, and their best strategy is to view the publishers as people trying to do as little as possible to get maximum return. Think about it how many times do you see add on content that is essentially pay to win in one way or another going for a significant fraction of the initial game cost even though there is little to it ?

  It just make

Re:Gamer Masochism vs Self Interest (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418881)

It just make

I was sure I purchased the DLC to see the rest of your comment...

Re:Gamer Masochism vs Self Interest (1)

Crashmarik (635988) | about a month ago | (#47419125)

Sorry that's a seperate microtransaction. You need 500 slashdot points for that.

Re:Gamer Masochism vs Self Interest (1)

Cederic (9623) | about a month ago | (#47422501)

I knew I was earning karma for a reason

Re:Gamer Masochism vs Self Interest (1)

Phil Urich (841393) | about a month ago | (#47426447)

Dammit, I thought that was included in the season pass.

My gaming PC doesn't need retail stores (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a month ago | (#47418867)

There's one thing my gaming PC doesn't have: an optical drive. I haven't needed one for the past three years.

Check out the Cooler Master Elite 110. If you know of something even smaller that would still fit a Zotac GTX 750, please tell me. I don't use 3.5" HDDs either.

Re:My gaming PC doesn't need retail stores (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420147)

Recently I got a music CD. When I got home and wanted to rip it I realized my PC didn't actually have an optical drive.
It was the first time in several years that I actually had a use for one.

Re:My gaming PC doesn't need retail stores (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420189)

MINI-ITX Machines are pretty nice. I got the Bitfenix Prodigy with a pretty okay watercooling setup all inside the case.

Re:My gaming PC doesn't need retail stores (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a month ago | (#47423409)

The Bitfenix Prodigy is roughly 50% too big, even without the handles.

Re: My gaming PC doesn't need retail stores (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47421751)

I have an iPad. Angry Birds and farm something with bubbles to pop Scream!

Yoxu FAIL it!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418941)

are* 7000 users Came as a complete

Not ordering this crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47418983)

Forget it, I'm never preordering a game, nor am I ever paying to beta-test anything. If you are paying to test software, your priorities are backwards.

In the case of preordering games that may potentially suck or be ruined by crap like this, I'd just boycott the game entirely and wait for a steam sale or the inevitable "preowned" game in the bargain bin.

"Preorder your download now!" (1)

Animats (122034) | about a month ago | (#47419013)

This problem should solve itself as downloading and cloud-based games take over and game stores disappear. GameStop is closing 120 more locations. [ibtimes.com] Game retailers are going the way of record stores and video rental outlets.

Not just download (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a month ago | (#47419149)

But free-to-p[l]ay gaming is also becoming a serious contender. It solves the problem of gamers who won't buy a game without a demo, it solves the problem of having an adequate online player base, and it solves the problem of gamers who simply won't buy games but who might buy the occasional piece of DLC.

The truth is that Gamestop guaranteed their eventual nonexistence when they dropped games for old consoles. I get that they can't stock everything, but it eliminated my reasons to go in there. I can get all the same stuff cheaper somewhere else, and I can get a lot of stuff that they can't (or won't) get. Since I don't really need a $200+ headset, I'm not sure what I'd go in there for anyway.+

Re:Not just download (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420329)

The truth is that Gamestop guaranteed their eventual nonexistence when they dropped games for old consoles.

I don't remember a time when Gamestop didn't have old consoles. (They are a USED video game franchise.)

What will bring about the death of Gamestop is not supporting older systems, but the stupidity of trying to be like BestBuy.

In my opinion, they (Gamestop) is wasting their time (and money) by including the tablets and smartphone crap. [time.com] Newsflash: You don't make (real business-sustaining) money in tablets and smartphones by selling hardware and accessories. You make money by having your own proprietary appstore, and making money on app and in-app purchaces.
(Although I doubt Sony / Microsoft / Nintendo / Apple / etc. will willingly allow a company like Gamestop to sell on their platforms.)

As for TFA, I thought this was common place already. However, I don't like the idea. This is just another example of screwing over the players.

"Oh you want to experience everything the game has to offer? Well you'll need to buy the game (now on multiple platforms), all of the DLC (for each platform), and (in some cases, not as bad as it used to be) play the online sections to unlock sections of the single-player mode. Don't forget to get the assured-pwnage gear from the online shop so you'll be at the same level as other players in multiplayer mode. Also, be sure to rebuy it's rerelease on our new platforms in the future, for even more crap that we decided to add (or not add) to it."

We already have the above, now Gamestop wants to add "Preorder the game at each retailer (for each supported system)" to that list? Hopefully the publishers release the content from the preorders after release or you would miss out on whatever it was. (Considering ANY part of the game can be DLC, this would be bad.) Currently they do for the most part, but I would not put it past some publishers to try and keep the exclusivity.

Ten bucks says the industry would love to use this as a way of boosting preorder sales. (Why not? they can get the sales before the hype build up comes crashing down on release day.)

Gamestop needs to quit supporting this crap, it's doing nothing but destroying the industry as a whole.

Re:"Preorder your download now!" (1)

Seraphim_72 (622457) | about a month ago | (#47419421)

Game retailers are going the way of record stores and video rental outlets.

Yeah, now if I want to listen or watch something that isn't 6 months old or less my options are either buy it if it is even available or not hear/see it. Boy did we show those dinosaurs, AmIRight?

But it's simple (2)

Torp (199297) | about a month ago | (#47419249)

Any game that has launch day DLC, be it preorder bonus crap or not, I will only buy - IF i bother - when they release the "GOTY edition" with all the content included, at half the price. Or maybe I'll wait till said edition goes on sale at 75% off :)
If you're impatient and want to have a game at launch, your (monetary) loss.

Re:But it's simple (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a month ago | (#47420285)

If you are to patient, it's your (social) loss.

Like talking about last month's tv shows.

Re:But it's simple (1)

praxis (19962) | about a month ago | (#47420871)

If you are to patient, it's your (social) loss.

Like talking about last month's tv shows.

Do you feel that the only art worthwhile appreciating is art created in the last thirty days?

Re:But it's simple (1)

odie5533 (989896) | about a month ago | (#47425879)

He never said claimed anything of the sort. He simply observed that people like being able to talk about current tv shows and video games.

To answer you directly: sure, some art is worth appreciating more than 30 days after it's created. But this is unrelated to keeping up with current video game trends.

Re:But it's simple (1)

praxis (19962) | about a month ago | (#47425981)

I didn't claim that he claimed anything either. I asked him for his opinion.

Re:But it's simple (1)

Torp (199297) | about a month ago | (#47422303)

You should get a Brave New World quote, but I'm too lazy to look for an appropriate one.

preorders.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419261)

and the whole dlc bullshit need to go.

buy a game. it has content. play said content. if publishers skimp out or cheapen-out on development or try to extort extra money through dlc, nobody buys, publishers either learn their lesson and release actual complete games and people buy them.. or they dont, and they wont.

the days of buying a game only to have to buy more content to complete the storyline or whatever, through dlc, are over.. did it once, never ever again..

the worst offenders are those publishers that put important storylines in dlc only or include the extra-cost content on the fucking install discs for the base game (at launch even wtf?)

Gran Turismo 6 did this and it sucks (1)

tompaulco (629533) | about a month ago | (#47419351)

Not store specific, but there were pre-order bonuses of 15th anniversary cars. In order to play some of the seasonal events, you have to have one of these cars. Under no circumstances should one ever be forced to buy aftermarket (or premarket) content in order to play a game. If they want to sell content to make it easier, to add bonus missions, to put stupid costumes on your character or whatever, that is fine. But I bought the game and I should be able to play it to completion with spending an extra penny.

Re:Gran Turismo 6 did this and it sucks (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a month ago | (#47420295)

"But I bought the game and I should be able to play it to completion with spending an extra penny."
why?

Let's reword this a bit... (1)

subanark (937286) | about a month ago | (#47419877)

Game X is coming out soon.
Company Y is going to sell the game.
In order to provide incentive, they mod the game to provide some extra content.
Since moding is expensive for Company Y to do, they outsource it to the makers of Game X who know the game better,

So, what is evil in this scenario (select all that apply)?
A. Company Y shouldn't bundle stuff it sells.
B. Game X makers should provide the mod kit to everyone.
C. Game X makers should prohibit their product from being bundled.
D. Company Y should sell any mod it makes as a standalone option.
E. Company Y shouldn't outsource the mod to game X makers.

Where is the evil here?

Re:Let's reword this a bit... (1)

praxis (19962) | about a month ago | (#47420881)

There is no evil here, only uninformed consumers with a fear of missing out that give a company money for useless in-game items because they don't want to be the only kid on the block that has the blue gun and not the blue and gold gun.

Not all Preorder Benefits suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47419995)

I preordered Doom 3 and got a nice t-shirt.

Though I've stopped playing commercial games except for a couple ones (Artemis). As a programmer and modder, I prefer to work on games that appreciate me modding them compared to ones that attempt to fight me at every step and then try to profit off my work. I didn't have a bad experience preordering Doom 3, but I'll never preorder something again. Software, especially games, are way to buggy when first released and often don't live up to their promises. I hadn't noticed how bad the industry has gotten with preorder bullshit. Thanks for reaffirming my decision to stick with open games.

Why is this (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a month ago | (#47420263)

ridiculous?

Anti-Trust (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420293)

Anyone? No?

I Refuse To Buy From Gamestop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420393)

So, yes, further suckle at their teet. See how this affects game sales.

Old news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47420801)

Wasn't a pre-order the only way to get codes to unlock custom guns or vanity items, years ago? Just like one-time codes for initial customers for same. It's junk vanity items or balance-breaking items. If they offered grapes, they'd be sour. No one cares.

The Next Blockbuster Video. (1)

Jahoda (2715225) | about a month ago | (#47420959)

eom

Young Gamers (1)

Mike Frett (2811077) | about a month ago | (#47423239)

You young gamers have it rough i would say, back when I played Games, ALL the content came on the disk and the Game didn't require a patch every two days. We played a finished product that some company put love into because they themselves were Gamers and wanted to get it right "the first time".

I feel really sorry that you've all just gave up and accepted being ripped off and cheated. It's sad you don't what a good Game really is but I'll give you a hint: It's not Graphics. Multiplayer? We had that too, but nobody ever send messages threating our lives if we killed them in-game. Again, I feel sorry for you younglings and your loss of meaning for words like "Good" and "Fun".

Re:Young Gamers (1)

odie5533 (989896) | about a month ago | (#47425903)

the Game didn't require a patch every two days

They often did require a patch; the patches just weren't forthcoming.

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