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KDE Releases Plasma 5

Unknown Lamer posted about two weeks ago | from the wobblier-windows dept.

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KDE Community (3396057) writes "KDE proudly announces the immediate availability of Plasma 5.0, providing a visually updated core desktop experience that is easy to use and familiar to the user. Plasma 5.0 introduces a new major version of KDE's workspace offering. The new Breeze artwork concept introduces cleaner visuals and improved readability. Central work-flows have been streamlined, while well-known overarching interaction patterns are left intact. Plasma 5.0 improves support for high-DPI displays and ships a converged shell, able to switch between user experiences for different target devices. Changes under the hood include the migration to a new, fully hardware-accelerated graphics stack centered around an OpenGL(ES) scenegraph. Plasma is built using Qt 5 and Frameworks 5." sfcrazy reviewed the new desktop experience. It would appear the semantic desktop search features finally work even if you don't have an 8-core machine with an SSD.

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What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466337)

Last time i tried it was called nepomuk. Did they rename the process? :)

Re:What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466393)

It would appear the semantic desktop search features finally work even if you don't have an 8-core machine with an SSD.

KDE is a fine desktp manager for retards (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467599)

try fluxbox retards

Re:What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468177)

Its called explorer.exe bitches

Re:What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468757)

NSA tracer, bitchez

Re:What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (1)

bumba2014 (3564161) | about two weeks ago | (#47468465)

they rewrote some kern part, called it baloo, now it's faster and still has mostly the same features... So just normal, if first try doesn't work, try it again....

Re: What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47470925)

Copy a few Gbs of data and watch baloo indexer choke. At least previously you could disable indexing. Don't get me wrong I think KDE is one of the best desktops ever, but baloo jeeds an off switch, or at least exceptions thqt it will honor.

Re:What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47470031)

Yes, exactly [freehackers.org]

Re:What takes 100% of the CPU in this release? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47471805)

FTA "Nepomuk is gone, Baloo is here"

Where are the Linux apps ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466471)

"All new desktop experience", "Smoother graphics". blah blah blah...

Where are the usable pro quality Linux apps ?

Every other week some doofus reinvents the UI for Linux boxes. And all the while there was a perfectly good, perfectly usable oen already there.. but with a few bugs nobody wants to fix. So the latest crop of neckbeards writes a whizzy new "desktop experience paradigm framework" er... thing. Iit's an endless circle jerk of craptitude.

Where are the usable pro quality Linux apps ?

In the year 3099 There will still be no pro quality Linux apps. But we will be the 9,99th itertaion of the KDE/Gnome/Whatever desktop.... with no usable pro quality apps....

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (4, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | about two weeks ago | (#47466527)

I thought a "pro" meant anyone who gets paid for his work. I was paid for my work [nintendoage.com] on Thwaite and RHDE: Furniture Fight [pineight.com] , two NES homebrew games that I developed using GIMP, Python, ca65, and other pro quality development tools for GNU/Linux.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468127)

How would you compare those tools to professional tools you have used on other platforms?

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (2)

tepples (727027) | about two weeks ago | (#47469557)

I'd have to say "just as good". Let me explain why: In my work, I try to minimize dependencies on third-party points of failure. This means I'm more likely to choose tools that are available on multiple platforms in the first place. GIMP provides substantially the same experience on Linux and Windows. So do Python and ca65, except that Python for Windows has to work around certain Win32 API gaps.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47470225)

hahahahahahahahaha hahaha ha ahhahahahahahahahahahahah

just one minute, the "postercomment" compression filter is whingeing about repetition.

hahahahaha

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (3, Informative)

amalcolm (1838434) | about two weeks ago | (#47466563)

From a embedded systems designer: FPGA development - Lattice Diamond runs on Linux - free to download, not open source KiCAD Schematic capture & PCB layout - free to download, open source VariCad Mech designer - licenced software MPLabX PIC microprocessor IDE - free to download Qt for cross platform apps Windows/Linux/Android/iOS With Libre office & other tools it's quite possible to run an engineering business from a Linux platform, which I do.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47469273)

Unfortunately I ended up using Lattice Diamond in a Windows VM anyway, because the convenient, integrated Aldec simulation part only works on Windows (unless that changed recently). I'm sure there are other options in Linux, but it was quicker and more convenient for someone doing simple, one-off projects to just use the Windows version.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (2)

armanox (826486) | about two weeks ago | (#47466669)

No Pro Quality Linux applications? I guess Maya and Matlab are junk then.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (0)

jones_supa (887896) | about two weeks ago | (#47466823)

The installation process is often junk. I've played around with Matlab and Quartus and they were both extremely finicky to install unless you were running precisely a certain version of certain distro.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467313)

Not sure what kind of distros you used but I spend the last three years installing Matlab on RHEL, CentOS, Debian and Ubuntu without that much trouble.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468797)

Linux is worse than I thought if it takes three years to install a freaking app...

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468289)

Really, what were you doing? I've been using it for over a decade, during which time I must have installed it dozens of times on multiple distros. Other than a problem with, IIRC the Ubuntu 13.x releases, it has always installed problem-free.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466799)

"All new desktop experience", "Smoother graphics". blah blah blah...

Where are the usable pro quality Linux apps ?

Indeed. It's funny how the Linux desktops spend time screwing around with small features but never talk about what kind of real world tasks you can perform. Now after a decade they finally fixed the search function in KDE. A couple of weeks ago there was news on Slashdot about some DE which touted the ability to change the login screen wallpaper as a highlighted new feature.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47471957)

A couple of weeks ago there was news on Slashdot about some DE which touted the ability to change the login screen wallpaper as a highlighted new feature.

Whereas Windows 8.1 still doesn't have that feature in the default lock screen for non-domain joined systems. From the day Windows 8 came out the user have had to be scared of what geometric or artistic annoyance will be forced to the lock-screen-using user next. Little things do matter.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466863)

Actually a very good point.

Most likely stems from the fact that 98.5% of Linux users do their "real work" from a terminal window with a bunch of 30 year old tools. That motivates them to redo the GUI every year, because when you get down to it, the GUI really doesn't matter to them.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about two weeks ago | (#47467433)

I want a terminal emulator that smoothly scrolls in the new text that appears. Some of the old real terminals had this feature, but I never have never seen it in a software terminal.

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (1)

fisted (2295862) | about two weeks ago | (#47469421)

what stops you from writing it? (except perhaps the fact that it seems like a dumb idea resulting in linux-KMS-framebuffer-console-like performance)

Re:Where are the Linux apps ? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about two weeks ago | (#47469597)

what stops you from writing it?

Nothing really. I have been toying with the idea of taking an existing terminal and patching it to do the trick. It's probably still too tasking project for my skill level. Generally I like the idea and would like to contribute either by providing code or making a donation.

(except perhaps the fact that it seems like a dumb idea resulting in linux-KMS-framebuffer-console-like performance)

Oh. I believe there's many ways to make it butter smooth and not consume much CPU or GPU power at all.

I for one, (5, Insightful)

cadeon (977561) | about two weeks ago | (#47466477)

Thank our KDE developers for their hard work. I'm really impressed by KDE and have used it a lot over the years.

Re:I for one, (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467083)

It kinda sucks that it get worse with every release though. (of cause, I use my computers as tools not toys so I might be biased)

Re:I for one, (4, Insightful)

Barsteward (969998) | about two weeks ago | (#47467845)

it kinda sucks that AC comments get worse, more full of shit, and post from no real experience of the topic at hand

Re:I for one, (1)

kbrannen (581293) | about two weeks ago | (#47468941)

I also really appreciate the work the KDE developers have done over the years. I'll go look at KDE5 to see what's coming.

However, I really Really REALLY hope they've found a way for you to install KDE and not have to have akonadi or nepomunk installed on my system. For the longest time, they've been force installed because of dependencies and I don't want them on my machine because I never use them and their daemons just suck up resources. Seems like there was something else like this, maybe amarok, but I'm having a hard time remembering. I like KDE in general, but I don't want all of it.

Re:I for one, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47470019)

Yes, exactly! nepomunk was someones bad idea of an implementation that somehow was seen as OK to force on the user. There should be an option where you can easily decide if you want a newfangled broken piece of , not just decide that you are now stuck with this broken software! Very annoying when decisions like these are done without oversight that ensures the dev's excitement over something new does not break things left, right, center.

It is showing an attitude which does not belong in an otherwise very high quality environment. I remember when Microsoft allowed the Word team to simply drop support for the file format they had been using up to that point. Massive screw up! One thing to say we are switching to this better format than simply remove support for the last version so that you have to install the previous (minor) version open the file and save it in some format supported by the newer version.

KMail did something about as bad which resulted in me leaving what was my favorite email client so far. I tried to fix it after the fateful update for a couple of days but had to throw it away as I needed to work. It looks like an attitude behind that careless upgrade that allowed something so broken and unreversable ship.

You look at a new implementation which has not been through the mill yet. Poorly tested and so on, relies on a new untried db design that sounds like it can become a great tool. You then give the option to use it or not, depending on my willingness and ability to use it. If I decide not to then I should be able to not be an alpha tester.

Re:I for one, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47471481)

I never use them and their daemons just suck up resources

If you have a 3GHz+ i7 with 16+ gigabytes of ram, a half-terabyte SSD, and a video card with more ram and GPU horsepower than the sum total of every computer that existed on this planet from the dawn of time until the mid/late-80s, do the resources they're consuming even *matter* much anymore?

Don't get me wrong... I've felt the pain of bloat on strained hardware just like everyone else. But when you finally get that new top of the line computer that compromises on basically nothing... fuck it. Render my windows with glasslike chrome and realtime 32-bit alpha-blended translucency with dropshadows. We're at the point now where if your computer isn't fast enough to take just about anything Aero Glass, KDE, or Gnome is able to throw at it without so much as breaking a sweat, it's your fault for being cheap and getting a slow computer, because the most expensive (while still non-exotic) desktop PC you can actually buy today costs less than the cheapest shit laptop from 1999.

Breeze! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466511)

The new "Breeze" theme alone is enough for me to want to try it. It looks much, much better than the old Oxygen theme.

Extended desktops... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466533)

Installed, but could only mirror my desktop, wanted to extend...

Love KDE!! (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about two weeks ago | (#47466543)

I love KDE, running it on all of my Linux systems, but WHO THE HELL comes up with these names? Nepomunk?? Baloo?? Silly names.. One thing: I see a PPA for Plasma 5 for KUbuntu.. umm.. how about for those of us who gave up Ubuntu and moved to the "mothership", namely Debian?? Would like to try Plasma 5 on my Debian Jessy laptop... but sure don't want to hoze up the current Plasma 4 install....

Re:Love KDE!! (4, Insightful)

c6gunner (950153) | about two weeks ago | (#47466599)

Would like to try Plasma 5 on my Debian Jessy laptop... but sure don't want to hoze up the current Plasma 4 install....

BTRFS snapshot. Install. Try out. If you don't like it, copy BTRFS snapshot back to active.

And if you're not using BTRFS ... why not?

Re:Love KDE!! (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about two weeks ago | (#47467271)

From what I've heard btrfs is the bomb!! I'd love to try it.. but theres only so many hours in the day... Next time I build a machine from scratch I'll give it a try.. Not gonna try to migrate ext4 over (if its even possible).. THAT really would be "working without a net", I'd guess..

Re:Love KDE!! (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about two weeks ago | (#47467463)

F2FS is also one quite sweet file system.

Re:Love KDE!! (2)

myrdos2 (989497) | about two weeks ago | (#47467783)

I'm waiting for a stable release.

Re:Love KDE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467953)

BTRFS snapshot. Install. Try out. If you don't like it, copy BTRFS snapshot back to active.

And if you're not using BTRFS ... why not?

(Posting anonymously so as not to undo mods) Last time I used BTRFS fulltime I hit a nasty bug that cause a race condition and prevented me from using my workstation (at work). I swore off it since then, but even at the time, it seemed to be a pretty rare bug. Would you say it's ready for primetime? I.e., do you use it on your work machine [if you use Linux at work]?

Re:Love KDE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47470307)

Because I rather believe developers saying THIS IS NOT STABLE, DO NOT USE FOR IMPORTANT PRODUCTION DATA instead of random slashdot commenter saying "why not?".

Re:Love KDE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467255)

but WHO THE HELL comes up with these names? Nepomunk?? Baloo??

I quite agree. There should be concerted effort to synchronise cross-project branding. To this end, I suggest capitalising on the most googled free software (based on results returned) and rename to "Gimpwear".

Re:Love KDE!! (5, Informative)

Daemonik (171801) | about two weeks ago | (#47467259)

The names are often from languages other than English, because Linux is developed internationally. Like how Wiki is Hawaiian and Ubuntu is Nguni Bantu.

Nepomuk is a town in the Czech Republic and the name of a Saint. Baloo comes from Rudyard Kipling Anglicizing the Hindi word bhalu.

So shut up with your whining. They're not hurting you.

Re:Love KDE!! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467961)

Wow, you really need to get up from the computer, take a step back, and go fuck yourself. There are plenty of names for brands and products from all over the world from different languages that sound good, but FOSS developers typically pick the gayest, stupidest, most asinine sounding names they can find. Naming a program after an existing city is fucking stupid, no matter where you live. Here's a typical Linux developer: "Ohh, I just put together yet another text editor. What should I call it? I know! "Ohhstapicolambaweibinstibo!" It's a great name and it's totally legit because my retarded uncle babbles something like this when he loses a poker hand! It's a great name! Anyone who doesn't like the name is an obviously troll because FOSS is so awesome and so must be the names! Yaaaaah!"

Again, FUCK YOU. Assholes like you that downplay an obvious problem are why we still have problems. No wonder you idiots can't get mainstream. You morons couldn't market clean drinking water to people surrounded by raw sewage.

Re:Love KDE!! (2)

Barsteward (969998) | about two weeks ago | (#47468125)

any AC who posts like you is an asshole who contributes fuck all to a conversation and is a waste of space. shove your head down the toilet and flush to get all the shit out of it, repeat until the water is clear

Re:Love KDE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468355)

That sarcasm of the AC is little too crude to detect. Commercial software and hardware companies always tend to use the very same naming practice the AC is "complaining" about.

Re:Love KDE!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47472523)

Oh! Look out everybody. We got an internet badass overe here. -_- Way to go dude. You totally showed him. So awesome you are.

Re:Love KDE!! (0)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | about two weeks ago | (#47468997)

In fact, choosing difficult to spell, much less to pronounce, obscure words from an unfamiliar language is problematic. It's great if you speak that language, but when your target audience is English speakers, it's just asking for trouble.

Moreover, I don't think anyone asked the citizens of Nepomuk if they wanted their name used, because now the search results for their town will be all fucked up. Using names from Africa smacks of colonialism. Who asked permission? Just take, take, take and never give anything back...typical whites.

Re:Love KDE!! (1)

vurian (645456) | about two weeks ago | (#47469997)

If you hadn't been such an ignorant fool... You would have known that the name 'Baloo' was chosen by Vishesh Handa, who is from India. I guess he can be allowed to chose a name from India in any spelling he likes, right? Or is that colonialism too?

Re:Love KDE!! (1)

bumba2014 (3564161) | about two weeks ago | (#47468483)

thank god they don't call it KNepomunk, and KBaloo

Finally looks good (1)

Skarjak (3492305) | about two weeks ago | (#47466549)

As vain as it may be, I like my computer's interface to look nice. Plasma 4 was so ugly, with strangely clashing styles for the panels and the windows. This new bit of design makes it much more appealing to look at. I'm more of an AwesomeWM guy but I might give this a try on my laptop, just to see.

No Wayland yet? (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about two weeks ago | (#47466577)

Gimp and firefox are the main programs that tie me to gtk+2/X11 but I'd be prepared to run those inside an a x-wayland container.

Re:No Wayland yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466779)

Altough their aim is different, I've abandoned gimp for krita.. awesome application! Well, and I don't know, but firefox in linux is slow than Chromium in my box.

Re:No Wayland yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468325)

> Gimp and firefox are the main programs that tie me to gtk

Depends what you want from your graphics software but I'm more and more impressed with Krita with every release.

Re:No Wayland yet? (1)

armanox (826486) | about two weeks ago | (#47469011)

Personally I don't care about Wayland, and I think the KDE developers share my sentiment - it's more important to work across platforms.

Hopefully the graphics for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466587)

...disabling desktop search have been improved. Seriously, who uses that?

Re:Hopefully the graphics for... (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about two weeks ago | (#47467291)

Surely not me... thats one of the first things that get turned off on a new KDE install.. It just sucks up cycles for something I don't use...

Re:Hopefully the graphics for... (1)

Teun (17872) | about two weeks ago | (#47468977)

Like me, I don't disable it but actually use the desktop search with great pleasure.

Yes Nepomuk was tempramental but at the same time it was easy to shoot down the process if it got out of hand.

What's the problem with icons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466613)

I prefer icons on the taskbar, dock, etc... I can fit more programs on it without squishing anything, it's quicker to find what you want if it's a picture, and it just looks nicer that way. I understand that people like information displayed, but I've always had way too many programs open, and the text gets cut off.

I do think that KDE looks much, much improved, however.

Re:What's the problem with icons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467119)

there's a plasma widget called icon-tasks (decribed in the widgets browser as Icons only task manager) which behaves like the Unity dock or the Win7 taskbar (depending on how you configure it).
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=144808

I think it's available by default in KDE-centric distros e.g Kubuntu or OpenSuse, and at worst you'll have to install an extra package (plasma-widgets-extra in Debian).
Just have to manually replace the default task manager with it.

iOS? (0)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about two weeks ago | (#47466629)

http://www.kde.org/announcemen... [kde.org]

I see Apple's flat style is continuing to be copied^H^H^H used as inspiration for UI developers.

Re:iOS? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47466813)

Seems fair to me.. Other Os copy the iOS look, and Apple copy the features here and there for their releases (whatsapp, android, linux..)

Re:iOS? (4, Insightful)

tlhIngan (30335) | about two weeks ago | (#47467017)

I see Apple's flat style is continuing to be copied^H^H^H used as inspiration for UI developers.

Geez, it's not Apple UI innovation - not by a long shot. It started with Microsoft first (flat tiles!), then moved to Android. iOS is actually the laggard here (mostly at the behest of a bunch of over bored journalists who see "new and shiny" as "innovative" rather than "if it works, don't fix it').

Apple only caved because (noisy) journalists were calling OS X and iOS "tired" and "dated" because they looked pretty much the same over the years, while Microsoft and Google were "innovating" in UI design by going all flat so it looks "fresh and different".

For the record, I preferred the old look, I like my faux 3D, and while skeumorphism was a bit over the top with stitched leather and green felt, it still felt a bit more casual than today's flat designs that give an air of formality.

Re:iOS? (1)

Daemonik (171801) | about two weeks ago | (#47467317)

Don't blame journalists. It was Apple's own anal retentive obsessive compulsive lifestyle douchetards who were freaking out over how skeuomorphism was so 2000's and getting their panties in a bunch over a numeral one being centered or not that made Apple cave in and join the flat UI look. You know the ones, they have heart palpitations and clutch their pearls when they see someone use Comic Sans.

Re:iOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467745)

It was that out and out TOSSER 'Jony Ive'. Who the fuck calls themself 'Jony', when their name is 'Jonathan'?

Re:iOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467321)

I have been using flat GTK and icon themes since... like forever?

Re:iOS? (1)

qzxcvbnm (3747645) | about two weeks ago | (#47468261)

I think, that current OS X (Yosemite) style has some problems. IMHO, to make panel and dock transparent is a good idea, but application style looks a little bit ugly. I think, they lost their good old elegance. In KDE5 both panel, widgets and windows are in the same flat style and looks good. Now I changed my mind and I think, that KDE5 looks better than KDE4 and, even, better than OS X.

Re:iOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47472303)

I don't see it. I watched the video, looked at the screenshots - this Plasma interface still looks like it was put together with a generic cross-platform toolkit. Everything is still plastered in the same shades of grey, with ugly buttons and form controls. It's all too plain and ugly. Still better than Windows. I still find that nothing beats OS X, and I suspect this will be the case for at least a few more years.

Re:iOS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47472331)

Same Anonymous as the parent. As a side note, I believe a large part of the Linux desktop problem stems from the widespread reliance on the GTK+ and QT frameworks, as well as the Java UI platform. So much effort has been put into developing cross-platform applications that there has been very little progress towards creating an actual "Linux UI", similar to what was accomplished with OS X. The focus needs to move away from generic interfaces and towards creating a clean *native* experience.

Keep it up! (3)

pak9rabid (1011935) | about two weeks ago | (#47466741)

Looks awesome guys. Keep up the great work!

Fixed what seem like fundamental GUI bugs? (3, Interesting)

N7DR (536428) | about two weeks ago | (#47466919)

Can someone who has tried this tell me whether two particular bugs that were present throughout the life of Plasma 4 have been fixed (OK, you may not think these are bugs, but I sure do: I can't imagine how they were ever allowed to persist, since to me they seem to violate pretty basic requirements of GUI behaviour):

1. If one has a menu present (for example, by pressing the K-Menu button), does an incoming notification still cause the menu to disappear, so you get the delightfully random experience of clicking on whatever happened to be under the item you were about to click on?

2. Can a single misbehaving plasmoid still cause the entire desktop to freeze? (This typically happens to me if the network connectivity is lost: poorly-written plasmoids that need network access can block and cause everything -- not just the plasmoid in question -- to freeze.)

Re:Fixed what seem like fundamental GUI bugs? (0)

Barsteward (969998) | about two weeks ago | (#47467891)

1. check the bug report you posted to see if its fixed. seems a bit of a whinge about nothing though. 2. again, check the bug report you posted to see ifs been fixed. this is a real bug if its real. not experienced it myself

Re:Fixed what seem like fundamental GUI bugs? (-1)

Kjella (173770) | about two weeks ago | (#47468843)

1. check the bug report you posted to see if its fixed. seems a bit of a whinge about nothing though.
2. again, check the bug report you posted to see ifs been fixed. this is a real bug if its real. not experienced it myself

Personally, I just applied the "Windows 7 Installation Disc" patch. It seemed to solve my problems and it lets people like you get back to drinking the kool-aid. I didn't need any criticism I made be turned into an attack on myself of why I haven't been arsed to report/debug/bisect/patch/test it. You even managed to throw in a little belittling and dismissal, all you lacked was a bit of snark about how you "got what you paid for". I tried Linux because so many people told me it was ready, not to be some unpaid QA/alpha tester for buggy crap. That's the kind of work you'd have to pay me to do, free is not worth it. Expect people to get angry when you pull a bait and switch on them, even if you didn't do the baiting. And even though all it costs me was time I actually value my time and despite those who waste it.

Re:Fixed what seem like fundamental GUI bugs? (1)

armanox (826486) | about two weeks ago | (#47469055)

The OP is complaining about something that most users probably don't see as an issue. I report bugs to Microsoft and VMware, so why shouldn't I report them back to an OSS project (actually, you probably report some issues back to Microsoft as well...the 'check for solution' button works much like ABRT does).

Re:Fixed what seem like fundamental GUI bugs? (1)

Teun (17872) | about two weeks ago | (#47469081)

Win7 is the best OS ever to come out of Microsoft, no challenge.

But then why do I always select Kubuntu on this multi-boot system, because it's even better.

KDE is a real pleasure to use, a major factor is totally unmatched configurability even if the default is already good.

Re:Fixed what seem like fundamental GUI bugs? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47469083)

Umm, is "N7DR" your sockpuppet? If not, why are you taking an exchange between him and barsteward so personally? Barsteward's response seemed fine to me...

"unpaid QA/alpha tester for buggy crap" (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | about two weeks ago | (#47471095)

I tried [software] because so many people told me it was ready, not to be some unpaid QA/alpha tester for buggy crap. That's the kind of work you'd have to pay me to do, free is not worth it. Expect people to get angry when you pull a bait and switch on them, even if you didn't do the baiting. And even though all it costs me was time I actually value my time and despite those who waste it.

Huh. You've just brilliantly described my experience as a user of high-end seven-figure Enterprise Ready! software. I can imagine the vendor's management team in conference: "QA? Testing? That's what the user base is for."

Sigh.

Review of Plasma 5 (2)

Peter H.S. (38077) | about two weeks ago | (#47467025)

There is a somewhat detailed review of Plasma 5 here:
http://www.themukt.com/2014/07... [themukt.com]

The released videos seems very impressive.

I really love KDE. I sometimes work on Mac OSX or MS Windows 7, and I must say KDE beats every other environment I have tried when it comes to flexible workflow and productivity.

Whenever I work on other peoples computers, their personal files are always in a mess with their "Document" and "Download" folders loaded with hundreds of various files. I think this is simply because 1 panel file organizers like "Finder" or "Explorer" are really inefficient and hard to use for organizing and moving files. So I long for a twin panel file manager like Krusader, every time I work on other peoples machines.

The way KDE functions are integrated is also a joy: right click on files for useful things as packing and unpacking, or attaching the files to an email etc. A really smart GUI for mass file renaming (in Krusader by krename) is incredible useful too.

Looking forward to Plasma 5, probably included in Fedora 21.

Re:Review of Plasma 5 (1)

Peter H.S. (38077) | about two weeks ago | (#47467443)

I just discovered that my link was already included in the TFS. Oh, well...

Classic Menu Style? (1)

supertall (1163993) | about two weeks ago | (#47467181)

Just installed and tried it. I don't see the "Switch to Classic Menu Style" option on the Application Launcher. I probably won't use it just for that.

Re:Classic Menu Style? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467503)

It's coming back in 5.1, in a different, more general form. [google.com]

For the time being there are two menu installed by default in Plasma 5: Kickoff [kde.org] a "modern" launcher, and Kicker [mageia.org] a more classic menu-style launcher.
For the time being you have to switch manually from one to the other.

Re:Classic Menu Style? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47468095)

I think you mean "I probably won't use it just BECAUSE OF that." - but then, you are American, aren't you...

What you have written makes it sound like you wouldn't use it ONLY FOR the "Switch to Classic Menu Style" option. You fucking idiot.

Re:Classic Menu Style? (1)

Teun (17872) | about two weeks ago | (#47469667)

Indeed, a rather serious ommision for people like me who do't want to search or type for an application but just 'point' at it.

Another little thing is the keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work but then maybe I should first reboot or log out and in again.

So many fails in one interface... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467483)

Who are the idiots who designed this crap? Why are they using obscure, 'flat' icons, which mean absolutely nothing? Can't their users READ?
As soon as I heard the irritating music, I knew it was going to be yet another fail...

Re:So many fails in one interface... (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about two weeks ago | (#47467905)

who are the idiots who post crap like this?

"Who are the idiots who designed this crap? Why are they using obscure, 'flat' icons, which mean absolutely nothing? Can't their users READ? As soon as I heard the irritating music, I knew it was going to be yet another fail..."

Haven't cared in 5 years, don't care now (0)

otis wildflower (4889) | about two weeks ago | (#47467563)

Meh, KDE really fucked me over in the 3.5->4 transition, getting rid of a bunch of features that I really liked.

Re:Haven't cared in 5 years, don't care now (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467693)

Meh. Still bitching about early 4.x stuff from 2009? We're better off without you; please stick with xmonad or whatever.

Re:Haven't cared in 5 years, don't care now (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467709)

Yes, I was an avid user until that, now you couldn't pay me to use it.

Re:Haven't cared in 5 years, don't care now (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about two weeks ago | (#47467921)

more fool you then

Re:Haven't cared in 5 years, don't care now (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about two weeks ago | (#47468141)

well, you should have stayed on 3.5 until 4 was feature complete for you.

Re:Haven't cared in 5 years, don't care now (2)

armanox (826486) | about two weeks ago | (#47469093)

I'm still using 3.5, in the form of Trinity Desktop.

Re:Haven't cared in 5 years, don't care now (1)

Jailbrekr (73837) | about two weeks ago | (#47469491)

We officially rolled out centOS6 earlier this year, and we were hit hard by the transition from KDE3 to KDE4. In the end all we could do was either recommend that users either go to gnome, or switch to Trinity (KDE3 fork). I expect that we'll have similar challenges when transitioning to CentOS7 in 2 years unless KDE4 was fixed in CentOS7, except then we'll have challenges with both KDE4 and Gnome3.

Will it clean up after canceled file copies yet? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47467617)

If I'm copying a file and click the cancel button, will it remove the file it's writing to (like Mac and Windows), or does it still leave the incomplete destination file?

Re:Will it clean up after canceled file copies yet (-1, Redundant)

Barsteward (969998) | about two weeks ago | (#47467929)

try it and see. did you file as it as bug or wish list item?

erm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47469181)

Get of off Rams' dick already!

I apologize for being tolerant (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47469893)

KDE these days is decent, certainly a lot less buggy than on the early 4.0 releases. I just don't have any use for a desktop that heavy. The good thing about linux is that you have lots of choice, so I can run dwm and whine about bloatiness while KDE fans can run their desktop while mocking mine for being cryptic and tough to use.

Re:I apologize for being tolerant (0)

vurian (645456) | about two weeks ago | (#47470033)

Your "desktop" isn't cryptic and touch to use: it just doesn't have the same feature set. The word "bloat" is the warning rattle that nature has given the incompetent to warn the rest of the world that their opinion has no technical basis and is, in fact, irrelevant.

Re:I apologize for being tolerant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47472439)

the K is for Krap, because any time I run a KDE program it has to load up the entire KDE desktop environment instead of just the one cute little library it actually uses.

ps. bloat bloat bloat

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