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Giant Crater Appears In Northern Siberia

Soulskill posted about a month ago | from the when-earth-attacks dept.

Earth 122

New submitter DavidMZ writes: The Siberian Times reports on a large crater of unknown origin that has appeared in the Yamal Peninsula in northern Siberia. The Russian government has dispatched a group of scientists to investigate the 80-meter-wide crater. Anna Kurchatova from Siberia's Sub-Arctic Scientific Research Center believes the crater was a result of an explosion when a mixture of water, salt, and natural gas exploded underground. The Yamai Peninsula is known to hold Russia's biggest natural gas reserve."

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Where are the giant hands of Goatse? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469529)

Hmmm?

Re:Where are the giant hands of Goatse? (4, Informative)

SQLGuru (980662) | about a month ago | (#47469641)

And yet again, the Internet has lived up to my expectations.

Re:Where are the giant hands of Goatse? (5, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about a month ago | (#47469991)

They are invisible, haven't you read Adam Smith?

Re:Where are the giant hands of Goatse? (4, Funny)

rolfwind (528248) | about a month ago | (#47471125)

Ah, the economy makes a lot more sense now.

Re:Where are the giant hands of Goatse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47472557)

Your post is +6 Funny (in my mind)

Wasn't that a movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469533)

Wasn't there a movie about 10 or 20 years ago about a large crater appearing in the barren Eastern part of the USSR?

Re:Wasn't that a movie? (2)

Z00L00K (682162) | about a month ago | (#47469665)

Possibly, but what I find more surprising is that someone was able to discover such a small crater. 80m isn't big relative to how big Siberia is. It must have been in someone's backyard.

Maybe it was just Ivan's still or meth lab that exploded.

Re:Wasn't that a movie? (0)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a month ago | (#47469723)

In Russia, its all krokodil these days. These fuckers can't seem to kill themselves fast enough.

Re:Wasn't that a movie? (4, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | about a month ago | (#47469773)

Sadly I have to agree. Doing fieldwork among Russian villagers, I had long been used to the appalling prevalance of alcoholism among the male population, but the rise in heroin use (or heroin substitute use like krokodil) is yet another nail in the demographic suicide coffin.

That said, the Yamal Peninsula is Nenets country, and while alcoholism is known among that population, I'd be surprised if hard drug were common there yet, as it is probably off the supply chain.

Re:Wasn't that a movie? (3, Insightful)

parkinglot777 (2563877) | about a month ago | (#47469845)

what I find more surprising is that someone was able to discover such a small crater. 80m isn't big relative to how big Siberia is.

True that it is not that big. But would you consider monitoring area + taking images from satellite(s) as the reason? Why would they monitor the whole area? I don't know. But images from satellite nowadays are much much higher resolution (compared to 15~20 years ago when I was using them on my study) and could easily be analysed using a computer software. So any changes in the area would alert those who are monitoring.

Re:Wasn't that a movie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469941)

Where is 9M-MRO?

Re:Wasn't that a movie? (1)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about a month ago | (#47470645)

The summary says "giant". So there you have it.

Global warming (0)

Gothmolly (148874) | about a month ago | (#47469535)

Melting permafrost.

Global warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470653)

Yeah, totally obvious.

Sequel? (1)

B33rNinj4 (666756) | about a month ago | (#47469545)

Is this some "found footage" for a Core sequel or reboot?

Y E T I !!! (0)

Bob_Who (926234) | about a month ago | (#47469547)

Its the Yeti !

Re:Y E T I !!! (0)

azav (469988) | about a month ago | (#47470095)

It's* the Yeti it's = it is Learn this.

Re:Y E T I !!! (3, Funny)

Bob_Who (926234) | about a month ago | (#47470133)

It's* the Yeti it's = it is Learn this.

Your rite. I cun't tipe gooder for ewe.

Re:Y E T I !!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470161)

Lern 2 suck mah cawk byotch!

Re:Y E T I !!! (1)

Grog6 (85859) | about a month ago | (#47471883)

I read it as IT was the Yeti, implying an imminent attack by a hoard of Pennywise the Clowns Appearing as Yeti.

I'm very happy to see this is not the case.

Carry on with the pedantry.

Oh shit... it's Silurians! (4, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | about a month ago | (#47469549)

Where is the Doctor when we need him?

Re:Oh shit... it's Silurians! (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a month ago | (#47469689)

Not The Doctor, this looks like a job for Superman! Because it's gotta' be the Molemen beginning the invasion...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEVNS3hWBwY

Re:Oh shit... it's Silurians! (1)

SternisheFan (2529412) | about a month ago | (#47469833)

Meant to paste this link... www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0jAYRJJAiA

Re:Oh shit... it's Silurians! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47471053)

You're right.
That Audio - must be cybermen.

As Always ... (5, Funny)

Baby Duck (176251) | about a month ago | (#47469593)

Let me guess. The explosion was caught on a Russian dashcam, amirite?

Re:As Always ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47471185)

Great Uncle Ivan wasn't on the road when he tried his new recipe for borst vindaloo in a vodka and beans sauce.

Headline has the wrong tense (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469631)

"it is believed to have been formed around two years ago"

Crater dimensions (1)

Snufu (1049644) | about a month ago | (#47469647)

1:4:9?

Not as big as... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469649)

The worlds biggest natural gas reserve in D.C.

Re:Not as big as... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469887)

Harry Reid?

Re:Not as big as... (0)

azav (469988) | about a month ago | (#47470103)

world's*

nothing new (5, Informative)

darkob (634931) | about a month ago | (#47469655)

There are thousends upon thousends of similar holes (all filled with water) on Yamal peninsula. Many are few kilometers in diameter, most are smaller. This one may be new, but quite common in the area. Obviously it's due to gas eruptions of some kind. Landscape is like from the LOTR.

How deep? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469799)

It looks pretty deep in the video. Do these holes go down to where the gas is? When they open up, does that whole part of the gas field empty into the atmosphere?

Re:How deep? (1)

Thud457 (234763) | about a month ago | (#47470277)

They probably hook up to those sinkholes in Guatemala.

Re:nothing new (3, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | about a month ago | (#47470107)

and even more in Blackburn Lancashire.

Re:nothing new (4, Informative)

alvinrod (889928) | about a month ago | (#47470855)

But those holes were rather small. This one is reported to by 80 meters wide, which coincidentally is rather similar to the dimensions of the (Royal) Albert Hall which is oval-shaped with a length and width of 83 and 72 meters according to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] .

Re:nothing new (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47472141)

But those holes were rather small....

Though the holes were rather small, they still had to count them all.

Re:nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470367)

Does Black Mesa have an installation set up out there somewhere?

nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470695)

As someone said above, itÃs just permafrost melting. Yep, global Warming.

Re:nothing new (1)

Smask (665604) | about a month ago | (#47470723)

Those lakes are formed by permafrost. There are similar lakes in the northernmost part of Alaska and Canada. Don't know if they are the result of gas seeping out of the upper layers of the tundra or some chemical process like karst lake formation.

Re:nothing new (1)

azav (469988) | about a month ago | (#47472481)

thousands*

Re:nothing new (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47472631)

Agreed and anyone with a clue can see for themselves, http://goo.gl/maps/gTyKf

The media are idiots, or they think we are.

Fracking Orifice? (2)

Bob_Who (926234) | about a month ago | (#47469659)

Explosive frackulence

Re:Fracking Orifice? (4, Funny)

war4peace (1628283) | about a month ago | (#47469823)

They just found the asshole of the Earth.

Re: Fracking Orifice? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469855)

I'm pretty sure the US found him a while ago when they voted him in for a second term.

Re: Fracking Orifice? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469891)

You mean Bush jr., right?

Re: Fracking Orifice? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469913)

I left it vague, tends to tweak people biases like a pair of sore nipples.

Re: Fracking Orifice? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470297)

President Obama walked into the bank to cash a check. As he approached the cashier he said, "Good morning Ma'am, could you please cash this check for me?"

Cashier: "It would be my pleasure sir. Would you please show me your ID?"

Obama: "Truthfully, I did not bring my ID with me as I didn't think there was any need to. I am Barack Hussein Obama, the President of the United States of AMERICA!!!!"

Cashier: "Yes sir, I know who you are, but with all the regulations and monitoring of the banks because of impostors and forgers and requirements of the Dodd-Frank legislation, etc., I must insist on seeing your ID.

Obama: "Just ask anyone here at the bank who I am and they will tell you. Everybody knows who I am."..

Cashier: "I am sorry Mr. President but these are the bank rules and I must follow them."

Obama: "I order you to cash this check!"

Cashier: "Look Mr. President, here is an example of what we can do. One day, Tiger Woods came into the bank without ID. To prove he was Tiger Woods he pulled out his putter and made a beautiful shot across the bank into a cup. With that shot we knew him to be Tiger Woods and cashed his check.

Another time, Andre Agassi came in without ID. He pulled out his tennis racquet and made a fabulous shot whereas the tennis ball landed in my cup. With that shot we cashed his check.

So, Mr. President, what can you do to prove that it is you, and only you, as the President of the United States?"

Obama stands there thinking, and thinking, and finally says, "Honestly, I can't think of a single thing I am good at. I don't have a clue what to do."

Cashier: "Will that be large or small bills, Mr. President?

Re: Fracking Orifice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47471891)

Bush forgot his ID so he cleared some brush then invaded a country. He still needed a note from Cheney.

Just you watch. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469671)

Jesus will come out of that hole. The Second Coming is upon us.

Re:Just you watch. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469707)

What does Jesus and postmen have in common?

Re: Just you watch. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469729)

And kaabala will fly into the third

Hmmmm indeed (1)

djupedal (584558) | about a month ago | (#47469673)

That giant hole shows burn marks, people.... BURN MARKS!!!!

black hole caused by a black hole (1, Insightful)

shitner (3750557) | about a month ago | (#47469685)

scary thought, but what if it is an entry point of a miniature black hole?

Re:black hole caused by a black hole (4, Funny)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a month ago | (#47470193)

Then it's gonna suck.

Re:black hole caused by a black hole (4, Informative)

mbone (558574) | about a month ago | (#47471783)

It would be more likely to be the exit point of a miniature black hole. The entry point would likely be a very small hole.*

I call these exit wounds; the physics is that the exiting hypervelocity thing sets up a shock wave moving matter out of the way, and it's the shock wave excavates the material in the hole. (Even a black hole does this; a decent sized one (say 10^10 kg) is very small, so not much matter would be eaten during a transit of the Earth. It does, however, pull matter towards it and its wake sets up an explosive shock wave that fractures and evacuates material.)

* A black hole the mass of the Sun would have a radius of ~ 3 km, so one the mass of the Earth is a few mm, and a likely primordial black hole, with a mass of maybe 10^10 kg, would have a radius of 10^-17 m, or well below the size of an atomic nucleus. Such a small black hole would not "eat" much in its passage through the Earth, which might take 20 - 40 seconds or so, because not much would actually hit it. It's gravitational wake, however, would be another matter. Such a primordial black hole would leave a tiny entrance wound, but a large exit wound.

Re: black hole caused by a black hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47472781)

Unlikely to be one since this 'exit hole' seems perpendicular to the ground surface. A black hole passing through would be likely more tangential than perpendicular.

Could it be ALIENS? (1)

jzarling (600712) | about a month ago | (#47469693)

Giorgio A. Tsoukalos wants to know.

Re:Could it be ALIENS? (1)

Joe Gillian (3683399) | about a month ago | (#47469813)

I'm not saying the hole is the impact crater left from an alien landing.. but it was. It was aliens.

Re:Could it be ALIENS? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a month ago | (#47470203)

You completely destroyed the punchline...

"I'm not saying the hole is the impact crater left from an alien landing... but it was aliens."

Putin's new deterrent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469711)

This will be great for throwing dissidents in.

Re:Putin's new deterrent. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469793)

because nigga's IRS told you so?

Oh you think natural gas is your ally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469731)

"Your precious moose...gratefully accepted!"

What peninsula? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469743)

Is it "Yamal" or "Yamai"? I know the keys for these letters are near to each other on the keyboard, but surely you can pay someone to spend a few minutes proof-reading the copy before you post it?

Re:What peninsula? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about a month ago | (#47470213)

I bIame sans-serif fonts.

Please dont toss a match in (4, Interesting)

Justpin (2974855) | about a month ago | (#47469745)

Derweze they found large gas deposits, a crane collapsed on-site and caused a rush of natural gas to the surface. USSR scientists thought it was best to burn it to reduce the environmental impact. That was in 1971, it is still burning.

Re:Please dont toss a match in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470065)

Well, they weren't wrong. The CO2 from burning is much less harmful than methane.

Re:Please dont toss a match in (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a month ago | (#47470181)

They were wrong. They could have capped it off, albeit at great expense. Now, they can't.

Re:Please dont toss a match in (1)

geekoid (135745) | about a month ago | (#47470407)

What do you base that on?
What makes you think they would have capped it properly? They clearly didn't know how much gas was there.

Re:Please dont toss a match in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470853)

Even an improper cap, would not necessarily have been a fire that's been burning for four decades.

Re:Please dont toss a match in (4, Informative)

SailorSpork (1080153) | about a month ago | (#47470163)

They call it "The Door to Hell." Video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Re:Please dont toss a match in (2)

jbmartin6 (1232050) | about a month ago | (#47470717)

They should start a Burning Man style festival there.

Re:Please dont toss a match in (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47472039)

They should have tossed all of Burning Man into that flaming pit 20 years ago.

Warn Tokyo (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47469763)

It hatched.

Ooh ooh! I know what it is...! (1)

Irate Engineer (2814313) | about a month ago | (#47469827)

..it's an Exogorth Lair!

Gopher Overlords! (1)

MonkeyBob (904999) | about a month ago | (#47469909)

All Hail our Gopher Overlords!

Some thoughts (4, Interesting)

mbone (558574) | about a month ago | (#47469915)

First, if this is 80 meters in diameter, or 40 meters in radius, and say at a minimum 40 meters deep, that’ s not quite 10^9 kg of soil moved up order 40 meters, requiring (very roughly) the equivalent of 60 tons of TNT, at a minimum, and thus an equivalent magnitude of ~ 3.2 (again, roughly). Such an explosion should be detectable on seismological networks, such as the ones looking for nuclear testing.

Second, there is another mystery crater in Siberia - the Patomskiy crater [siberiantimes.com] . This one is in rock, not sediment, is about 160 meters in diameter, and is maybe 300 years old, but I have to wonder if they have a similar cause.

Third, I am interested in quark nuggets and other types of condensed matter, such as Q-Balls, generically called Compact UltraDense Objects [uj.edu.pl] (CUDOs) by Jan Rafelski of U. Arizona. If these things exist in the appropriate masses, they could cause holes such as this and the Patomskiy crater. Even better, if this were to be caused by transiting CUDO, it would cause a "linear earthquake [arxiv.org] , which should be easily recognizable in the seismic record.

Re:Some thoughts (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470035)

Second, there is another mystery crater in Siberia - the Patomskiy crater [siberiantimes.com]. This one is in rock, not sediment, is about 160 meters in diameter, and is maybe 300 years old, but I have to wonder if they have a similar cause

Interesting link, but nothing at all seems similar to this new hole in the ground.

Re:Some thoughts (4, Interesting)

mbone (558574) | about a month ago | (#47470175)

Patomskiy Crater is in solid rock, this new one is in soft sediment. Solid rock requires energy to fracture, and it is thus less likely to be removed from an excavation. By the way, these sorts of holes (assuming that they are explosive in origin) are similar to "bench-blasting" in explosives work; there is a huge literature on this.

Re:Some thoughts (2)

Commontwist (2452418) | about a month ago | (#47471901)

I wonder if the scientists who go out there will bring along some drones to check out that monster hole and display some mad drone skillz. It would be neat if they did it similar to how some engineers used a drone to check out a Corevette car museum [youtube.com] that got noshed upon by a sinkhole.

Re:Some thoughts (2)

Solandri (704621) | about a month ago | (#47470379)

First, if this is 80 meters in diameter, or 40 meters in radius

That's one big-ass sandworm. (Look at the pic - it's not a crater, it's just a hole in the ground.)

Re:Some thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47472831)

Such an explosion should be detectable on seismological networks

Maybe it was detected, and perhaps even reported. Since this was supposedly formed a couple of years ago, maybe there exists a record of seismic activity originating from this region.

Galactus Hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470023)

Area locals reported what appeared to be a very shiny guy riding a very shiny flying surfboard in the vicinity.

The ancient aliens finally decided to leave. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470173)

Good bye I say. :)

Further towards the tipping point... (5, Informative)

Misagon (1135) | about a month ago | (#47470233)

There are lots of gas pockets in Siberian and under the polar seas that are locked by cold temperatures only. As warming increases, more and more of these will burst, accelerating climate change.

Scientists have been warning of these for many years. There has been lots of talks about a "tipping point" after which no reduction in man's greenhouse gas emissions would have any effect, when carbon levels in the atmosphere could increase because of cascading natural gas eruptions alone.
This is why it is so important to reduce carbon emissions.

Re:Further towards the tipping point... (3, Interesting)

gaiageek (1070870) | about a month ago | (#47471211)

Informative, and I wish I had mod points to mod this up. Relevant article here: http://www.news.cornell.edu/st... [cornell.edu]

unnatural (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about a month ago | (#47470517)

I'm pretty sure this new crater is just Nikola Tesla playing with his time machine again. After what he did to Tunguska, you'd think Russia would just ask him nicely to stay away or do his experiments in Canada or something.

Hell, he could do them in Alberta and nobody would notice if the whole province was sent 50 years back in time. Except the hockey players wouldn't be wearing helmets. They'd notice that right away.

Sandworm (2)

riverat1 (1048260) | about a month ago | (#47470535)

The hole is about the right size for one of Dune's sandworms.

Mystery crater (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47470539)

Maybe the meteor that hit last year, or another one we did not see, it could be Cthulhu but since there has not been a noticeable up tick in everyone is dead, I'm going with not

Move along, nothing to see here... (2)

hAckz0r (989977) | about a month ago | (#47470679)

Maxwel Smart agent 86 just prevented KAOS from turning their Super-laser on to the US Capital building last year. Unfortunately, as usual, he tripped over the power cord and spun the lazer around and blew a 40 meter hole in the USSR Siberian outback before his food tangled and pulled out the power cord. That incident of course caused a fair amount of damage and eventually forced the KAOS spaceship to perform an emergancy landing right behind the CONTROL building parking lot. Furtunatly 99 prevented Hyimie from repairing the craft which would have allowed the KAOS agents to excape. The Chief is in protracted negotiations with the Kremlin over the loss of the summer vacation home that was said to be on that property.

I'm guessing that less than 2% of you know probably what the heck I'm talking about here.

Re:Move along, nothing to see here... (1)

El_Oscuro (1022477) | about a month ago | (#47471335)

I'm guessing that less than 2% of you know probably what the heck I'm talking about here.

Missed it by THAT much? Agent 86 once said that after he almost shot his dick off. I wonder if he ever screwed Agent 99? Man, I used to think she was hot. And the Cone of Silence? I saw a real one in action while on jury duty once. The judge lowered this stupid contraption when he was talking with the lawyers. It made this white noise which gave everyone headaches but I had no problem hearing their entire conversation from the other side of the room...

Ow, my ears! (1)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a month ago | (#47470821)

As if the loud (and completely unnecessary)noise of the helicopter on the video wasn't enough, did you have to keep it on the slowed down part of the video so that it sounds like the belching roar of Satan himself?

Re:Ow, my ears! (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about a month ago | (#47471829)

As if the loud (and completely unnecessary)noise of the helicopter on the video wasn't enough, did you have to keep it on the slowed down part of the video so that it sounds like the belching roar of Satan himself?

It wasn't belching you heard.

Like Florida (1)

Jim Sadler (3430529) | about a month ago | (#47471395)

We have large craters opening all the time in certain parts of Florida. Suddenly forming sink holes swallow people and homes in a single gulp. It seems that we have sucked so much water out of the ground that collapses occur suddenly. One poor guy went under with half of his home and it was deep enough that his body could not be retrieved. In effect the man fell into hell on his own bed.

Re:Like Florida (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47471707)

I don't think it is like a Florida sinkhole. Sinkholes don't have soil piled up around the rim of the hole. It also looks like maybe the land under the disturbed soil is uplifted too.

Re:Like Florida (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47471715)

Well, at least he got a proper funeral, pharao-style with all the earthly belongings.

wow (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a month ago | (#47472265)

"large enough for several Mi-8 helicopters to fly into it - not that they have."
"the dark colour of the crater indicates 'some temperature processes', without explaining more what they may mean"
" it could be caused by a space object - perhaps a meteorite...We can definitely say that it is not a meteorite. No details yet,"
"one web claim suggested - evidence 'of the arrival of a UFO craft' to the planet."
That's some quality journalism right there.

Sorry (1)

Neil Boekend (1854906) | about a month ago | (#47472899)

It was a joke that got out of hand.

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