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Sexual Harassment Is Common In Scientific Fieldwork

Soulskill posted about 5 months ago | from the communities-that-needs-fixing dept.

Science 362

sciencehabit writes: Universities and other workplaces have codes of conduct guarding against sexual harassment. But what about the more casual venue of scientific fieldwork—which is also a workplace? A new survey finds that sexual harassment and assaults occur frequently in the field, with little consequence for the perpetrators or explicit prohibitions against such conduct. The study reveals that the primary targets were young women who were harassed, assaulted, and even raped by men who were usually senior to them in rank, although men also reported harassment.

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Some people are jerks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47470953)

Some jerks are in fact high ranking/importance jerks, and unfortunately not companies can appropriately deal with them.

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47470959)

That should be "not all companies"

Re:Some people are jerks (5, Insightful)

stephanruby (542433) | about 5 months ago | (#47471035)

A new survey finds that sexual harassment and assaults occur frequently in the field, with little consequence for the perpetrators or explicit prohibitions against such conduct.

Do we really need explicit prohibitions against sexual harassment and sexual assaults for field work? What about murder or violent assaults? Do we need to explicitly prohibit those as well? Or are those implicitly permitted because they're not mentioned somewhere in a field manual?

Re:Some people are jerks (0)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 5 months ago | (#47471127)

Do we need to explicitly spell things out for Slashdotters who seem to have a chronic inability to get the point?

Re:Some people are jerks (4, Insightful)

XanC (644172) | about 5 months ago | (#47471151)

I suppose you might. Because I don't see how, if something is already illegal, it also needs to be against "policy". Do all company/university policies have to comb through the entire legal code and duplicate it in policy?

Re:Some people are jerks (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 5 months ago | (#47471169)

The policy manual where I work spells out all kinds of things; like not doing illegal things on company computers, not stealing, not sexually harassing or bullying people. What the hell is your problem with that? The whole point of policies, whether they cover unwanted illegal activities or unwanted and yet legal activities, is to make clear the organization's priorities and desires for the workplace.

Re:Some people hook up (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471221)

Back in the day, when I did a lot of field work, it was not at all uncommon for co-workers to hook up
There was no rape, no arm twisting, no roofies or alcohol
Just horny people in the field having a (discrete) good time

Re:Some people are jerks (4, Informative)

XanC (644172) | about 5 months ago | (#47471225)

It's just stupid to blame a lack of policy for somebody doing something illegal. The absence of a policy in no way means the entity endorses an activity.

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 months ago | (#47471507)

Not all Sexual harassment isn't illegal.

Re:Some people are jerks (2)

lgw (121541) | about 5 months ago | (#47471587)

I didn't quite not fail to understand what you weren't not saying there.

It's seems like the problem here wasn't the BS "his wall calender offend me" kind, but the genuine rapey kind - quite illegal. Well, in this country. Maybe the field work was in a country where the victim is presumed guilty unless she has the testimony of 4 men not related to her?

Re:Some people are jerks (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471617)

It's also stupid for people to not understand what is and isn't illegal, but here we are. Sexual harassment is one of those things that is *still* being taught in the workplace with special seminars and courses to teach people about it because such a very small percentage of the populace actually even understands what is and isn't harassment and who to report the harassment to, particularly when it's their boss or someone even higher in the organization being harassing.

A lot of sexual harassment is downplayed as men being men, jokes that aren't hurting anyone, that the harasser and the harassed are the same gender, or that the person reporting the harassment shouldn't be reporting it because the victim isn't going to report it. And yet it's still harassment. Anyone can agree that telling a woman at work to go to the kitchen and make you a sandwich is harassment. What's more ambiguous is when a whole group is laughing it off because the person that made the comment calls it a joke and the rest suddenly see the comment as a joke as well (by the way, if you didn't get it this is still harassment).

However, all the teaching in the world won't stop a criminal from committing/trying to commit a crime. Groping and rape should be reported to police immediately even before talking to your HR department, but unless there are signs that it's going to happen (maybe all the sexual harassment that wasn't being reported before) there isn't going to be much ability to prevent the crime, only to report it afterward.

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471259)

The policy manual where I work spells out all kinds of things; like not doing illegal things on company computers, not stealing, not sexually harassing or bullying people. What the hell is your problem with that? The whole point of policies, whether they cover unwanted illegal activities or unwanted and yet legal activities, is to make clear the organization's precautions against liability.

fixed

Re:Some people are jerks (2)

Obfuscant (592200) | about 5 months ago | (#47471449)

The policy manual where I work spells out all kinds of things; like not doing illegal things on company computers, not stealing, not sexually harassing or bullying people. What the hell is your problem with that?

What's my problem with your policy manual? Well, for YOUR manual, nothing, because I don't care about how they treat you. If it were a policy manual I was subject to, I'd have a problem with a manual that includes so much stuff that it doesn't need to that it hides the stuff it does need to include.

For example: not stealing. Do'h. By putting that stuff into a company policy manual, they're treating you like a child. The closest any policy manual I've seen comes is when it tells people that certain things that would be legal using a regular company's resources is illegal because this is a state university and then leaves it to the intelligence of the user to know that they aren't supposed to do those things BECAUSE THEY ARE ILLEGAL.

Any policy manual that hides actual company policies between such obvious things as "don't steal", "play well with others", "don't rape your co-workers", etc, is just a waste of time.

The whole point of policies, whether they cover unwanted illegal activities or unwanted and yet legal activities, is to make clear the organization's priorities and desires for the workplace.

I don't know that I'd want to work at a company that has to say explicitly that it desires that I not do illegal things on company time, and that it has a priority that I stick to legal stuff.

Re:Some people are jerks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471489)

You forgot to add that your company's policies probably include 'not thinking the wrong thoughts', 'not thinking for yourself', 'not questioning anything the television says', and 'bowing to Jews at all times...' - oh, and 'supporting the genocide of your own race through FORCED mass immigration of millions of non-whites into your once all white country'. But I guess you don't want to talk about genocide, what with you being so 'rational'. Idiot.

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

jklovanc (1603149) | about 5 months ago | (#47471521)

I think what the OP was trying to say was that most Universities already have a policy against sexual harassment as is stated in the summary.

Universities and other workplaces have codes of conduct guarding against sexual harassment.

What the summary suggests is there is no explicit policy for fieldwork. Why is there a need for an explicit policy for fieldwork when it is already covered by the University's general policy?

Re:Some people are jerks (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | about 5 months ago | (#47471675)

The policy manual where I work spells out all kinds of things

And all to shield the company from liability.

It must be understood that these "policies" prohibiting already illegal activity are not for the benefit of the employees, but for the benefit of shareholders and management. If they thought it would boost he bottom line to have rampant sexual harassment, they'd be spiking the water cooler with viagra and giving roofies to the receptionist.

Re:Some people are jerks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471417)

Mass murder is against school policy. Sanctions include punishment up to and including dismissal. Are these people the 'scientists' we keep hearing about in the news-media? You know the caring compassionate 'scientists' who are above politics and don't care for money?

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

taustin (171655) | about 5 months ago | (#47471547)

Having a formal policy reduces legal liability (somewhat) for the employer.

Of course, enforcing the policy reduces it even more.

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 5 months ago | (#47471227)

Do we need to explicitly spell things out for Slashdotters who seem to have a chronic inability to get the point?

Yes, because I, for one, don't see the point. Sexual harassment occurs whenever men and women are together. Unless there is some evidence that it is specifically more prevalent during scientific field work, just reporting that "it occurs" is meaningless. I occurs everywhere. It is always inexcusable, and as a society and as individuals we need to do more to prevent it, and be more supportive of the victims. But I see no reason that these efforts should specifically focus on "scientific field work".

Re:Some people are jerks (4, Interesting)

techno-vampire (666512) | about 5 months ago | (#47471419)

Sexual harassment occurs whenever men and women are together.

It doesn't even need to have both genders present. We all know that there are men hitting on younger men or boys and women sometimes abuse a position of authority to get a man (or boy) into the sack. For that matter, I'm sure that there are at least occasional cases where a lesbian tries to seduce another woman that isn't interested in experimenting, although these almost never get into the news.

Re:Some people are jerks (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471469)

For that matter, I'm sure that there are at least occasional cases where a lesbian tries to seduce another woman that isn't interested in experimenting, although these almost never get into the news.

What are you talking about? I have watch multiple documentaries about that on the internet.

Re:Some people are jerks (3, Interesting)

qwak23 (1862090) | about 5 months ago | (#47471789)

Maybe they almost never get into the news, but there is a fairly high profile one going on right now: http://money.cnn.com/2014/07/1... [cnn.com]

oblig. Chris Rock (1)

OutOnARock (935713) | about 5 months ago | (#47471559)


If my father didn't harass my mother I wouldn't even be here....

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

stephanruby (542433) | about 5 months ago | (#47471399)

You don't seem to be getting my point either.

If the headline had read xx% of field manuals/field web sites do not include a phone number for reporting sexual harassment/sexual assaults to an independent party. Or if it had said yy% of the phone numbers to report such incidents only seem to lead to an anonymous internal university voice mail black hole.

Then, that would be a more constructive news story altogether.

Re:Some people are jerks (1)

tehlinux (896034) | about 5 months ago | (#47471241)

That makes me a saaaaaaaaaaaad panda.

Re:Some people are jerks (3, Funny)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 months ago | (#47471249)

And very unfortunately, such jerks are more likely to be able to grub funding for their research labs from government offices.

Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47470961)

If you have males and females working together, the males will harass the females. Period. Irregardless of the type of work, what color their skin is, what language they speak. It's how things work.

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47470975)

Clever troll against men and bonus points for using the meaningless letter soup "irregardless".

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (1, Informative)

E++99 (880734) | about 5 months ago | (#47471049)

I think it actually means the same thing as "regardless".

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471079)

No, it means "I'm a fucking retard who can't into English."

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471219)

http://www.merriam-webster.com... [merriam-webster.com] - like it or not, it's a word

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471251)

Yes its part of your bastardized version of our language

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (-1, Offtopic)

skaag (206358) | about 5 months ago | (#47471317)

Go eat a soggy fry you English snotty

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471729)

Assuming you're English, it is utilized in your language too - http://www.oxforddictionaries.... [oxforddictionaries.com]

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (3, Informative)

Some_Llama (763766) | about 5 months ago | (#47471387)

from the link you provided:

" Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead."

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471695)

From the link I provided:
"The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however."

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (1)

lgw (121541) | about 5 months ago | (#47471601)

Dictionaries (in English) catalog every grunt people make. They ain't style guides. You can be sure that the meaning likely to be understood from the use of "irregardless" is, in fact, "I'm an idiot who can't write for shit". If that's not your intended meaning, perhaps choose another word?

Re: Sexual Harassment Is Common In ... Everything (2)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 5 months ago | (#47471473)

It's halfwit for "irrespective."

Such harassment (5, Insightful)

WarSpiteX (98591) | about 5 months ago | (#47470965)

"jokes about physical beauty and cognitive sex differences"

It's so hard to take these reports seriously when they include the most trifling transgressions along with the truly egregious ones.

http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/spacemoose/polisci.gif

Re:Such harassment (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471069)

Yes, because "you're ugly" or "you're stupid because you're a woman" certainly contribute to a healthy work environment.

Re:Such harassment (0)

sumdumass (711423) | about 5 months ago | (#47471157)

Whether it does or doe not contribute to a healthy work environment, is it sexual harassment?

I say no.

Re:Such harassment (2)

Garfong (1815272) | about 5 months ago | (#47471193)

Is it repeated, unwanted, attention of a sexual nature? Then it's sexual harassment.

Re:Such harassment (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about 5 months ago | (#47471255)

So no.. it is not unless you are some weirdo looking for an excuse to claim sexual harassment.

Re:Such harassment (1)

taustin (171655) | about 5 months ago | (#47471553)

Sexual or not, it's certainly harassment, and therefore, illegal in the US. More so in some states than others, but illegal everywhere.

I'd guess you've only been on one side of bullying, to take such a position.

Re:Such harassment (1)

sumdumass (711423) | about 5 months ago | (#47471595)

Why do people have conversations with themselves and impose the results onto others as if they actually participated in them?

I mean seriously, the topic is sexual harassment, the parent post complained about the illegitimacy of the inclusion as sexual harassment, I made a comment about how it was not sexual so should not be included as sexual harassment and now all the sudden you know all about my life while taking the position that it doesn't matter if it is sexual or not to be included as sexual harassment.

Please, go back on your meds.

Re:Such harassment (5, Insightful)

Iamthecheese (1264298) | about 5 months ago | (#47471179)

The point is, they're not the same, shouldn't be treated the same, and lumping them together makes the data less useful. The only benefit to lumping them together is that it makes the problem look worse than it is. Publishing less useful data for political points? Evil.

Re:Such harassment (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 5 months ago | (#47471217)

They're not the same. Raping a coworker will get you thrown in jail. Sexually harassing a coworker will get you fired, possibly have you end up with a large legal bill, and find yourself all but unemployable in the sector in which you work.

Re:Such harassment (2)

danlip (737336) | about 5 months ago | (#47471187)

GP is not saying that such things aren't bad, they're saying that when you lump those things in the same category as rape and just give a statistic for the overall category that it is not very meaningful.

Re:Such harassment (4, Informative)

bobbied (2522392) | about 5 months ago | (#47471363)

Not to mention that it cheapens the really serious offenses like rape and repeated harassment when they are grouped in with telling a suggestive joke once or forwarding a suggestive E-mail.

Offending someone is one thing (and should be avoided) but doing actual harm is quite another. Let's not group them together.

Re:Such harassment (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 5 months ago | (#47471689)

Agreed, the only thing they all have in common is bad taste. Ironic how a sex offended was the head cheerleader for the sex-offenders list in the US congress (until he was caught). I always found it suspicious when a male habitually goes into impromptu rants against sexual offenders, he who shouts loudest and all that....

Re:Such harassment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471339)

I'm gonna start suing for sexual harassment every time someone says I'm a nerd or I'm too shy or whatever too.
I get women at work asking me if I'm single, or if I've ever had sex and things.
I don't get all pissed of at them.

Re:Such harassment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471383)

I'm gonna start suing for sexual harassment every time someone says I'm a nerd or I'm too shy or whatever too.
I get women at work asking me if I'm single, or if I've ever had sex and things.
I don't get all pissed of at them.

Maybe you should.

Re:Such harassment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471485)

Why? I don't care.
As long as they don't touch me in any way I really don't give a shit.

Re:Such harassment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471511)

If you don't give a shit, then why are you wasting time commenting on it on slashdot?

Re: Such harassment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471713)

Why don't go ahead and ask the ladies at work if they'll touch you LOL

Re:Such harassment (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471159)

Note: to see the comic referenced in the parent post, be sure to go to http://www.hackcanada.com [hackcanada.com] before going to the referenced
http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/spacemoose/polisci.gif
because HackCanada.com has anti-hotlinking measures in place; probably check the referrer's URL.

Re:Such harassment (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 months ago | (#47471269)

It's hard to take your point seriously when the only link you provide is to a webcomic.

Re:Such harassment (3, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | about 5 months ago | (#47471271)

The thing is that the people that write these "reports" think the trifling transgressions are just as bad as rape. Many are what can only be described as "female supremacists" that will us any and all real, perceived and fabricated instances of "sexual harassment" to fight men wherever they can be found. I do not think it is a good idea to take these characters seriously at all, because their agenda is far more despicable and repulsive than what they claim to fight against.

Re:Such harassment (3, Insightful)

seebs (15766) | about 5 months ago | (#47471305)

I don't think they think the "trifling" transgressions are "just as bad". I've never heard anyone say, or even suggest, that they are "just as bad".

On the other hand, I've seen very good evidence presented that the "trifling" transgressions tend to correlate strongly with environments in which people are a lot more comfortable pushing things a lot harder. which means that there is at least some reason to believe that they may contribute to an environment where people will think they can get away with rape. That, and "trifling" transgressions can have a significant cumulative effect over time.

Re:Such harassment (3, Insightful)

gweihir (88907) | about 5 months ago | (#47471385)

Oh? When they make statics that count them the same, that is not claiming they are of a similar nature? Well then, maybe they just have not even a basic grasp of statistics. On second though, it may also be use of a well established manipulation technique, where a high number is claimed by lumping in everything and the kitchen sink, and then pretending the worst thing in there is representative. Like in "99% of women have experienced gender-related events, such as rape". See the problem here? This is nothing anybody with the slightest shred of honor would say. It is something only people that want to crush their (perceived or real) enemy, no matter the cost to the truth.

Re:Such harassment (3, Insightful)

Some_Llama (763766) | about 5 months ago | (#47471411)

"I don't think they think the "trifling" transgressions are "just as bad". I've never heard anyone say, or even suggest, that they are "just as bad"."

well you don't know what they think, but you can infer from their actions, and when they lump together rape with an off color joke, then use the combination of two separate and disparate incidents to use as a factor in the proposed statistic, then yes they are statistically equating the two as "just as bad".

maybe you're just not seeing the radical motivations behind what is portrayed as ethical objections?

Re:Such harassment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471519)

Yep! A whole organization filled with soft, liberal Democrat types are rapacious sexists and un-caged cretins!

Re:Such harassment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471367)

"female supremacists"

AKA "feminists"

Re:Such harassment (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471283)

Homosexuals are really bad with this. They often try and find people to "convert" into homosexuality. NAMBLA types go for the kids.

Lesbian chinks go for the other chink girls.

Female executive at Yahoo sued for alleged sexual harassment

The Yahoo logo is shown at the company's headquarters in Sunnyvale, California in this April 16, 2013 file photo. REUTERS/Robert Galbraith/Files

Yet another technology executive is being accused of sexual harassment.

But these allegations are a little different from the recent tales of inappropriate behavior among male founders and high-tech execs. Last week, Yahoo software engineer Nan Shi filed a lawsuit that named Maria Zhang, a female engineering executive at the company, alleging sexual harassment.

The suit claims that Zhang coerced Shi to have "oral and digital sex," warning "she could take away everything from her including her job, stocks and future if she did not do what she wanted." It alleges that Zhang later retaliated against Shi when she refused her advances, downgrading her performance reviews, removing her as the lead on projects, and promoting others to supervise her.

The suit also alleges that the company's human resources personnel "refused to conduct a proper investigation" and that Shi was wrongfully terminated. In an e-mailed statement, a Yahoo spokeswoman said, "there is absolutely no basis or truth to the allegations against Maria Zhang. Maria is an exemplary Yahoo executive, and we intend to fight vigorously to clear her name."

The suit follows a series of recent headlines about accusations of misconduct by technology executives. While other sectors are hardly immune to such charges, they come amid a time when the industry is already grappling with how to attract and retain more women to its ranks.

Last week, the CEO of mobile marketing company Urban Airship announced he was taking an "extended leave of absence" amid allegations of sexual assault. Earlier this month, a former executive of Tinder, the mobile dating app, filed a suit alleging sexual harassment and discrimination.

In April, RadiumOne CEO Gurbaksh Chahal was terminated following a misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence. And earlier this year, after complaints by a female employee at the programming network GitHub, a co-founder resigned due to "mistakes and errors of judgment," according to a company blog post. An internal investigation "found no evidence of gender-based discrimination, harassment, retaliation, or abuse."

The homosexual plague is spreading.

Re:Such harassment (3, Informative)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | about 5 months ago | (#47471491)

And don't forget they almost always use operational definitions which tailor the statistics to suit their needs, like the NISVS refusing to count female-on-male rape as "Rape" and recording it instead as "Other".

Re:Such harassment (1, Offtopic)

fightinfilipino (1449273) | about 5 months ago | (#47471667)

"jokes about physical beauty and cognitive sex differences"

It's so hard to take these reports seriously when they include the most trifling transgressions along with the truly egregious ones.

http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/spacemoose/polisci.gif

it's hard to take such posts seriously when they fail to recognize that "trifling transgressions" are actually terrible in their own right. comments about physical beauty and cognitive differences are part of the power play that IS sexual harassment. it is wrong and it has to stop.

Re:Such harassment (1, Informative)

Lehk228 (705449) | about 5 months ago | (#47471761)

you seem lost, tumblr is that way ----->

Re:Such harassment (1)

linuxrocks123 (905424) | about 5 months ago | (#47471809)

Whether such such trifling "transgressions" are bad or not really depends on the intent and the circumstances. If someone goes up to a female coworker every day and makes jokes about how women are stupid, then, yeah, that's pretty bad, and it needs to stop. The guy is being a jerk. It's not as bad as rape. It is bullying.

To me, it's not especially heinous because it's "sexual". It's on the level of going over to the system administrator's desk every day and making jokes about nerds playing sports poorly. It's harassment. It's bullying. There's something wrong with you if you're doing that to people, but no one is getting raped.

If it's people making jokes with each other because they're teasing each other because they're friends, then that's totally different and it's completely okay. But if someone doesn't like being teased, and makes that known, it will stop on its own in that case without outside intervention. But if it's really that horrible for you to be teased a little by someone with no ill intent toward you, you're extremely thin-skinned and there's something wrong with you (though not nearly as much as with the bullies in the previous paragraph).

So, basically, it all boils down to intent, and, for this stuff, in the case where something bad is going on, the "harassment" part is much more important than the "sexual" part. The only reason anyone cares about the sexual part at all is because lawyers and thin-skinned feminazis who want to be offended about something.

Now, for the more serious stuff: if people are getting raped in the workplace, then that's absurdly horrible, I can't imagine /HOW/ that's even happening because aren't there other people around?, and people need to go to jail. But I can't imagine people actually raping each other in the workplace often because in most workplaces I'm familiar with it would be pretty hard to have /consensual/ sex without getting caught and fired. But, I've never been on an archeological dig, so maybe I'm missing something.

Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47470979)

Newsflash: Sexual harassment is common everywhere there are men as their genetics don't change from one career to another.

Now please send your $50,000 worth of research grant funding to my bitcoin address: FJi2seXY2jf9eYEDoit4ScienCEFiJSfj82jfiffj

Thanks!

Re:Newsflash! (1)

maliqua (1316471) | about 5 months ago | (#47471043)

did you mean to say anywhere there are men and women working together?

or were you intending to be ignorant and sexist?

Re:Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471139)

Notice he didn't mention women as the targets. He was being homosexist.

Re:Newsflash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471439)

You win the Internets for today!

Re:Newsflash! (5, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 5 months ago | (#47471153)

Fuck you, mate. I've worked with women (and in some cases under female bosses) for my entire working life. I've always been able to restrain myself from sexual humor, from making advances or indeed, from any kind of sexual behavior. I was raised to be a gentleman, and more to the point, I believed from the beginning of my working life that "coming on" to coworkers is a recipe for workplace malfunction.

Or, perhaps, because you don't have the wits to overcome your hormones, I could simply say "Grow the fuck up and quit believing permanent adolescent behavior is natural."

Re:Newsflash! (0)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about 5 months ago | (#47471279)

Fuck you, mate. ... Grow the fuck up"

Many feminists believe that casual and pervasive use of profanity contributes to a hostile and sexist work environment, and some court rulings have agreed with them. So you may not be as enlightened as you think you are.

Re:Newsflash! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471463)

Not agreeing or disagreeing with your statement, but I just have to point out that for the past 3 months or so the cubicle across from mine has been occupied by a woman who chats with cube visitors or talks on the phone for hours every day, and swears all the fucking time. It's a software related federal government office, swearing is certainly not unheard of, but I would probably hear 0-5 swear words a week on average, before. It's pretty funny, really. She's kind of like a more gossipy version of my dad (he was in construction).

Re:Newsflash! (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about 5 months ago | (#47471499)

Many feminists believe that casual and pervasive use of profanity contributes to a hostile and sexist work environment,

Not just feminists. Many people think mindless profanity is simply mindless and demonstrates a lack of respect for others, which is a sign of a hostile work environment. Even when it is as simple as saying "merde" on a regular basis to a French colleague.

Re:Newsflash! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471549)

fuck. you.

Re:Newsflash! (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 5 months ago | (#47471231)

Now please send your $50,000 worth of research grant funding to my bitcoin address: FJi2seXY2jf9eYEDoit4ScienCEFiJSfj82jfiffj

You could at least use a real BTC address, in case someone accidentally you some coin. That's not even a Grøstlcoin address (they start with an F).

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Re:Newsflash! (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 months ago | (#47471527)

I'll be sending -1000 bitcoins straight away!

Re:Newsflash! (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | about 5 months ago | (#47471303)

I think this is less about genetics and more about how "Evolutionary Biology" and "biological anthropology" are entire disciplines founded on the notion that present day sexual prejudices can inform the study of extinct mammals.

Re:Newsflash! (1)

geekoid (135745) | about 5 months ago | (#47471533)

It's social. If it was hard wired through some manner, then we wold still be treating women the same way we did 10,000 years ago.

The definition of sexual harassment is broad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47470993)

And I think you'll find that most, if not all, research institutions have codes of conduct in place.

if any of my workmates sexual harras me (0)

ozduo (2043408) | about 5 months ago | (#47470999)

I'll stop giving them blow jobs!

THIS Is GOAlTSEX (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471059)

product, bSD's [goat.cx]

Because of porn (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471067)

Nerds think how people act in Internet porn is how real human interaction happens.

onsite tech workers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471107)

the pizza boy of the 21st century.

Requisite- (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471181)

>

Water, fire, air and dirt (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471183)

Fucking magnets, how do they work?
And I don’t wanna talk to a scientist
Y’all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed.

Boobies (5, Funny)

Prien715 (251944) | about 5 months ago | (#47471189)

Scientist A: Show me pictures of your boobies!
Scientist B: They're really big [wikipedia.org]

My hobby: Making clean jokes.

Required (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471201)

::Inappropriate Ghostbusters movie reference::

Let me see if I can explain. (0)

argStyopa (232550) | about 5 months ago | (#47471215)

Let's say, for example, you're walking around with a $100,000 in a briefcase that says "MONEY".

You decide to carry this briefcase with you into some remote wilderness, far from civilization, the law, and witnesses. You travel alone, or with people you don't know.

When you do this, most people will not steal from you. Most people are decent.
However, there are bad people in the world. They will want to steal this money from you.

This should not happen, and it is horrible if it does. They are criminals, and all decent people believe they should be punished severely. But even if they are put to death, that doesn't change the fact that they took your money.

The world doesn't conform to our wishes. Sometimes we just have to recognize that certain things are true and either avoid them or accept that sometimes bad things happen. The obviously sad bit is that women - in this analogy - can't really set the briefcase down.

Re:Let me see if I can explain. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471589)

The obviously sad bit is that women - in this analogy - can't really set the briefcase down.

No, perhaps not, but they can be careful about things and try to not make the "MONEY" sticker on the briefcase not as obvious. Sadly, I don't think some women "get it" sometimes and they misunderstand why what clothes they choose are not getting the kind of attention they really want. Now, I'm NOT saying that a woman being assaulted or harassed is at fault, she's not, but there some practical things women can do and not standing out as a target is a good place to start.

For example... I worked with a woman who insisted on wearing what I considered *very* suggestive clothes to work just about every day. Personally I found her attire unprofessional and demeaning to women in general (and I'm a man), but to each their own. I know she got lots of attention from the males in the area who would often ask "Who is she?" and make it clear that they noticed her. The really sad part of this story is that she had HR on speed dial because she was always filing sexual harassment complaints. One guy told me that she made a cottage industry of sorts out of it. Using the treat of filing the complaint to try and get her way. But I ask you what did she expect to happen when she dressed like that? Ladies, dress modestly and professionally, It may be your right to wear what you want, but why put a spot light on the target or invite trouble. There ARE guys out there who are messed up, so stick with the heard the best you can, blend in as much as possible.

The Second thing women should do is BE CAREFUL where you go and with who. Be mindful of your surroundings and stick to public places where there are people around. Don't put yourself in positions where you have to be alone with a man, especially one you don't know well. Stay IN the heard and in public as much as possible.

The third thing women should do is BE READY to protect yourself and firmly object. Get some training, get pepper spray, a handgun and training, whatever, but be prepared. Many times it only takes a little bit of a defense and yelling to set an attacker off to easier prey.

Finally, women should not be afraid to REPORT incidents that do happen. Don't mess around thinking that you might offend somebody or hurt his feelings by reporting an incident or continued unwanted advances. If they don't stop after one firm "NO" report his sorry ass.

The ugly truth here is that this behavior will not go away, despite all of our efforts. Sexual harassment will still happen because people out there do bad things. The best we can do is to be aware and sensitive to recognizing when it is going on and hopefully discourage it, but when it happens it needs to be properly and quickly dealt with.

Sadly it seems that Men now need to be doing many of the same things..... And my advice is the same to them... Dress appropriately, be careful, be ready to defend and report when something happens.

Dirty! (1)

Nexion (1064) | about 5 months ago | (#47471235)

Those dirty filthy paleontologist types... I swear! They are giving us all a bad name!

Not my fault, Sir. (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about 5 months ago | (#47471243)

but, but, she blinded me with science! [youtube.com]

the comments here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47471273)

do not inspire confidence. if you dont think harassment is a problem in the work place, you either havent worked with very many women, or you are in denial.

In other news, new survey finds that (1)

theora55 (257778) | about 5 months ago | (#47471323)

water is wet.

Good enough for the President (1)

Dragon Bait (997809) | about 5 months ago | (#47471493)

<sarcasm=on>

If it's good enough for the President, it's good enough for the common man.
</sarcasm>

Seriously, if we're going to excuse it at the highest levels when because we like what the person does otherwise, what do you expect?

I don't get it (5, Insightful)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 5 months ago | (#47471697)

My wife was the victim of sexual harassment - closer to assault.

what she did was go after the guy full bore, no holds barred, and not one thing made not perfectly clear.. Reported it to the employer, letting him know that he (the employer)had a choice. Do something about it before the day was over, or face the legal consequences of both himself and the asswipe being served the next morning. She outlined exactly what she was going to do. Which included sexual assault charges, and charges against the employer for having such a person in their employ., with a whole lot of publicity.

Her harasser got to not only go through a long list of reparations and counseling, he ended up being her employee.

This was in the home construction industry which if no one has noticed, is a whole lot less amenable to sexual equality that a university environment.

Which is all to say that if there is harassment, if there is assault. Then fucking do something about it. Otherwise, it's just an anecdote. This crap of just saying men are pigs, look what they do - is grade A bullshit. Press charges, dammit!

Fieldwork in particular? (5, Funny)

Krishnoid (984597) | about 5 months ago | (#47471699)

SKINNER: Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, twenty-two minutes declination... no sighting.

BART: Mm-hm.

SKINNER: Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, twenty-three minutes declination... no sighting.

BART: Mm-hm.

...

SKINNER: (excitedly) Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, fifty-eight minutes declination! ...no sighting. Did you get that one Bart?

BART: Hell no.

I can't imagine why scientific fieldwork in particular could provide an environment that promotes inappropriate behavior.

The sad part (2)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 5 months ago | (#47471725)

of this all, is that normal, prudent men will end up avoiding all of the women they work with, while the creeps wont change a thing.

I saw this happen in the late 80's, when the heavy handed sexual harassment efforts first started.

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