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Microsoft CEO To Slash 18,000 Jobs, 12,500 From Nokia To Go

Unknown Lamer posted about two weeks ago | from the burning-the-platform dept.

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DW100 (2227906) writes "Satya Nadella has taken an axe to Microsoft's 127,000-strong workforce by announcing a whopping 18,000 job cuts, including 12,500 from the recently integrated Nokia division. At least 13,000 jobs will go within the next six months." It's official, Ballmer's layoff record has been smashed. From the email sent to employees: "The first step to building the right organization for our ambitions is to realign our workforce. With this in mind, we will begin to reduce the size of our overall workforce by up to 18,000 jobs in the next year. Of that total, our work toward synergies and strategic alignment on Nokia Devices and Services is expected to account for about 12,500 jobs, comprising both professional and factory workers. We are moving now to start reducing the first 13,000 positions, and the vast majority of employees whose jobs will be eliminated will be notified over the next six months."

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383 comments

I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (5, Funny)

AbRASiON (589899) | about two weeks ago | (#47473881)

Right, right? No way would they need anyone from overseas for any upcoming jobs, no sirree. Won't see any work of any kind going to other countries, nope!

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47473929)

Yep, in fact with all these newly out of work American's they should be able to reduce their existing H1B's by replacing them with the now available America worker, i bet the majority of these layouts are H1B's anyway..

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47473963)

Can you say, "Satya is from Hyderabad."? Sure you can! [/misterrogers]

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (5, Insightful)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about two weeks ago | (#47474055)

"In order to ensure continued access to scarce skillsets that are key to our ability to innovate, we need to be able to draw flexibly from a global pool of professionals."

(Oh, and we also resent having to pay those scarce and valuable individuals more than $15 / hour. So we'll still need some foreign worker visas, thanks).

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (5, Informative)

beelsebob (529313) | about two weeks ago | (#47474191)

As a foreign worker in the US, I have no idea where you got that $15 an hour from. I can assure you, I'm paid substantially more than that.

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474261)

How much are you paid?

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (2)

beelsebob (529313) | about two weeks ago | (#47474335)

more than $140,000 a year, but less than $180,000 (plus various other things like stock etc)

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (2, Funny)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | about two weeks ago | (#47474291)

Satya, is that you?

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474361)

As a foreign worker in the US, I have no idea where you got that $15 an hour from. I can assure you, I'm paid substantially more than that.

Because you alone are representative of all foreign workers.

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (4, Insightful)

beelsebob (529313) | about two weeks ago | (#47474405)

And yet, somehow, a figure picked out of GP's ass to cause a stir... is?

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474383)

I hope you aren't working for MS. Otherwise, Have fun teaching your 50k/yr replacement.

Bottom line is they don't want to pay.

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (1)

Dins (2538550) | about two weeks ago | (#47474265)

"In order to ensure continued access to scarce skillsets that are key to our ability to innovate, we need to be able to draw flexibly from a global pool of professionals."

Wait a minute. Microsoft has the ability to innovate? Who knew!

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (5, Insightful)

Entropius (188861) | about two weeks ago | (#47474565)

They continually invent new and creative kinds of suck.

IBM (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474093)

That's what IBM does: lays off thousands here in the USA and just hires overseas.

And they still charge an obscene amount for their products and services.

It's all about cost arbitrage now: really cheap technical labor overseas and charge like you have 100% American or Western European labor.

Our country and economy is being bled dry by the multinationals.

While we are distracted by cheaper big screen TV and other electronic toys, the things that really matter are becoming more expensive while our pay is declining - and it's not just inflation. I see jobs here in Metro Atl that are paying $60K+ that once paid $80K+ back in the late 90s. If you include inflation, that's a hell of a pay cut.

But in the meantime, fuel, medical, education, food, housing (rents are going back up) and essentials to living are going up.

We are in a spiral to the bottom because multinational companies are importing poverty from the Third World.

Solution? I stopped buying shit. It helps that retailers are becoming more and more obnoxious. No more rip-off cable or other services like that. Smart phone? Shove it.

Food? I cook and it's all unprocessed - no packaged shit with shit additives.

Car? 20 years old and counting. And I do the maintenance: clutch, head gasket, brakes, you names it. Sorry for the local mechanic, but that's the new reality of our country.

There's an alterntive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474197)

Just let the government do it. It's so much less confusing. Damn straight on the brake job tho.

Re:IBM (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474409)

Nothing to do with IBM. The oligarchs have seized power over the last 20 years and now the screw is being turned. The more they turn, the more scared you become. All around the world, policy is dictated by the corporations and they're invariably directly working against the population.

Re:IBM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474423)

And when exactly do you have time to actually do some work for that reduced pay if you're spending it on just living?

Good Question! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474517)

And when exactly do you have time to actually do some work for that reduced pay if you're spending it on just living?

I'm not working on my car every day or even every month.

I only watch a few hours of TV per week - not hard since most TV is shit.

Cooking meals doesn't take that much time - Mark Bittman has a wonderful cookbook that covers just about anything you want to cook and there are MILLIONS of simple recipes on the net.

And you know what? The more electronic bullshit I cut out of my life the better and more time I have. And speaking of which, I'm coming up to my limit for Internet shit for the day. That's my next goal - cutting shit like this out of my life.

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (5, Funny)

cheesybagel (670288) | about two weeks ago | (#47474329)

At least one of these stupid companies finally got around to outsourcing their CEO from India as well. It has gone full circle.

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (4, Interesting)

clickety6 (141178) | about two weeks ago | (#47474349)

If 12,.500 layoffs are at Nokia, then weren't most of these jobs overseas anyway, from a US viewpoint?

Re:I guess they won't need any more foreign Visas? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474573)

Not from Finland anyway.

justice (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47473889)

revenge for the start button

synergies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47473905)

Don't you just love management speak? These people put ideas up the flagpole and bet them saluted thanks to their out of the box blue sky thinking.

I really really hate (5, Insightful)

bravecanadian (638315) | about two weeks ago | (#47473909)

CEO-speak.. "building the right organization" "work towards synergies and strategic alignment" gobbledygoop

I'm all for cutting out bureaucracy where it isn't needed but come on man..

Re:I really really hate (1)

gunner_von_diamond (3461783) | about two weeks ago | (#47474033)

I thought it was rather straight-forward and cold.

We are moving now to start reducing the first 13,000 positions, and the vast majority of employees whose jobs will be eliminated will be notified over the next six months.

Eliminated!

Re:I really really hate (5, Interesting)

Jason Levine (196982) | about two weeks ago | (#47474141)

You should listen to a song on the latest Weird Al album: Mission Statement. Sung in the style of Crosby, Stills, and Nash, it's a perfect parody of those managers who love to speak in "corporate talk." Next time you go to a meeting with one of those managers, recite some of the lyrics (spoken, not sung, of course) and see whether they nod their heads in agreement.

"We'll set a brand trajectory
Using management philosophy
Advance our market share vis-à-vis
Our proven methodology
With strong commitment to quality
Effectively enhancing corporate synergy"

Buzzword speak (5, Funny)

i ate my neighbour (1756816) | about two weeks ago | (#47473915)

The synergy will get you.

Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1Bs (2, Insightful)

sinij (911942) | about two weeks ago | (#47473917)

Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B visas.

Re:Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474097)

Right, because getting ah H-1B is /really/ easy!
No bureaucratic nonsense there!

And they are also a lot cheaper, because they can be lower than comparable US workers, right, right?

http://www.h1bwage.com/index.php
http://www.flcdatacenter.com/ /sarcasm

Can we skip this useless blabber?
You hire someone on H-1B because they possess quality you can't find in the country.
Hiring H-1B for cost-reduction is idiocy! (better just ship your production overseas)

Re:Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474177)

[Posting AC because I'm talking about my own employer.]

Bullshit. H1-Bs save employers more than enough to pay for the bureaucratic overhead of hiring them. That's a one-time cost that's easily amortized over the three or six years of the visa, and if you hire lots of H1-Bs, the process can be pretty well streamlined. You can even outsource the paperwork.

The last time I had to hire two code monkeys, the company hired an agency in India to find H1-B candidates. We interviewed over 20 candidates, and made offers to ten. Two of them turned out to have misrepresented their work histories, we finally hired two, and the rest ran screaming the other way when they saw what we offered. It was infuriating, but the bean-counters wouldn't budge. Get people who will take what we offer or do without.

This is what companies do. Their employees aren't their greatest asset, they're their greatest cost center. In the long term, it's stupid, but the suits don't care. They only care about this quarter's (or this week's) results. Why buy socks at Nordstrom when you can buy them at Walmart?

Re:Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B (2)

beelsebob (529313) | about two weeks ago | (#47474323)

And when you had to present evidence of how much a US citizen earned doing the same job, and why the salary you were paying these guys was at least as high, how did you prove that?

Re:Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B (3)

Raseri (812266) | about two weeks ago | (#47474483)

Present evidence to whom? There is no oversight of the H1-B program. What country are you from, if you don't mind my asking? (not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious)

Re:Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B (2)

beelsebob (529313) | about two weeks ago | (#47474499)

Bullshit, the forms you need to fill in when you submit your H1-B application require you to provide listings of similar jobs, and how much you pay them. I'm from the UK, but I live in the US, under an H1-B, hence knowing what you have to fill in on the forms ;).

Re:Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474471)

Did you throw the mandatory "Labor Certification" out of the window? Any H1B that is hired is hired at a market value for that position, and the market value is determined by the Labor Department, and it has been at par with the market "average" in my experience.

Re:Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1B (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474139)

Lets have them answer for it. Sign the petition.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/discuss-why-we-still-allow-h1b-visas-during-slow-economy/BxntX3JC

Re: Translation: Slash 18K jobs, apply for 18K H-1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474521)

Sounds like a waste of time. The response there will be somehow about innovation only foreign workers are capable of and global economy. Do you really think those web petitions mean shit?

Beware these muppets (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47473949)

Just another puppet inheriting the stink barge. Nothing will change at Microsoft. Cuts, layoffs, and generally contribution to economic stagnation is all these clowns are about. Pay no attention to what they ever say. Watch what they do... and it's always the same...

The cycle begins again (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47473971)

Just remember that companies like Valve were founded by ex-Microsoft software engineers.

Crap, Nokia were the ones making... (0)

sensationull (889870) | about two weeks ago | (#47473975)

the WP8 platform worthwhile, the slow ineffectual lot at MS has been messing about for ages now and still can't open their own stupid winmail.dat files on a WP8, they know to as they hide it rather than fixing it. Sack the MS staff and keep the nokia ones, I still can't just press play on my BT stereo and have it work if the app is not pre-loaded. It used to work then they broke it in WP8.1 and despite feedback have not fixed it. What the fuck is wrong with them, have they never owned a phone before.

I'm so happy! This is karma folks. Don't sell out. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47473983)

Microsoft is an evil f'ing corporation that deserves to die and so do those who support it. Don't enable it. Don't buy Microsoft-enabled products. Don't go to Apple either. There are choices. Use them.

The other 5500 jobs (2)

Joe Gillian (3683399) | about two weeks ago | (#47473987)

The article mentions where 12,500 of the 18,000 jobs to be cut are coming from, but doesn't account for the other 5,500 jobs. There was another article on this a few days ago that mentioned people being cut from marketing teams and people cut from the Xbox division, but I wish the article would go into more detail.

Dilbert words: Can anything be as demoralizing? (5, Insightful)

Squidlips (1206004) | about two weeks ago | (#47474015)

Words like "synergies and strategic alignment" and right sizing are right out of the Dilbert Mission Statement generator (which used to be on the Dilbert web site). Nothing can be as demoralizing as being managed by exec's so stupid that they have never read Dilbert.

Re:Dilbert words: Can anything be as demoralizing? (5, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about two weeks ago | (#47474047)

Nothing can be as demoralizing as being managed by exec's so stupid that they have never read Dilbert.

The problem in real life, as it is in Dilbert, is the things we cringe at are the things the executives think "now there's a damned fine idea".

There's a huge disconnect between how management people respond to those things versus what the rest of us do.

Unfortunately, they're the ones calling the shots -- and what we see as parody and satire, they see as an instruction manual.

I don't believe I've ever worked at a company where the management team didn't (on a semi regular basis) take a page straight out of the Dilbert playbook and begin to implement it.

It's like we experience an entirely different reality.

Re:Dilbert words: Can anything be as demoralizing? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474365)

It's like we experience an entirely different reality.

Well of course you do. Your reality is working on a project, shielded from higher-level concerns. Their reality is trying to shield you from higher-level concerns by managing them. You are no more equipped to understand their job than they are to understand yours. Dilbert does a great job lampooning the aspects that are visible to you, but a poor job of explaining the aspects that are not. You won't get this until you become a manager, I'm afraid.

Re:Dilbert words: Can anything be as demoralizing? (3, Insightful)

Casualposter (572489) | about two weeks ago | (#47474549)

Oh what utter rubbish! Management is mostly irrelevant - especially the over paid CEO types who can't seem to figure out what the company does - but they can sure "manage" it. Good, driven, visionary management can keep a company healthy and profitable for centuries, but most of these managers are about as useful as pot holes. What they are really good at is convincing themselves and their cronies on the board of directors that they deserve more pay, more bonuses, because well, they are paid millions so they must be worth millions more! In reality, the average manager is not any smarter than the guy running the project and certainly not better at predicting where the market it is headed, or what the economy is going to do, or what the sales for next quarter will be. AS for the higher level concerns . . . what higher level concerns? A business has all the same issues as a family - income, taxes, the crazy dude next door with the chainsaw and the lawyer...which church to go to for the tax breaks and legal loop holes. Please don't put any faith in management - they either understand the company because they've worked there (and can do an adequate job of keeping the place running) or they are just some rich dude in a suit with less clue about how to run a company than a chimpanzee has of running a zoo.

Re:Dilbert words: Can anything be as demoralizing? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474063)

I particularly like it how big companies use the same terms to get rid of a junk computer as they do to get rid of people. It is time to surplus or excess uneeded assets...

Re:Dilbert words: Can anything be as demoralizing? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about two weeks ago | (#47474289)

I particularly like it how big companies use the same terms to get rid of a junk computer as they do to get rid of people. It is time to surplus or excess uneeded assets...

And now you should understand why they call it the Human Resources department and not Human Relations.

Burning platforms (5, Insightful)

stoploss (2842505) | about two weeks ago | (#47474025)

I guess Nokia's platform really was burning after all. It's just that it was arson.

And in totally unrelated news.... (1)

Chordonblue (585047) | about two weeks ago | (#47474029)

MSFT stock goes up a few points...

Re:And in totally unrelated news.... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474079)

Wall Street is that free loader who somehow convinced you to let him into the house. Every time one of your family members dies, he celebrates because it means more food for him.

On a more serious note, the moment you compromise your mission statement as a company in order to make money a group of people who are using you as a racing horse, sometimes even betting against you, to make a betting number go up you've lost all sense of reality and its usually just a matter of time. If Microsoft was actually all about making good products that improve people's lives and not making money for shareholders then I imagine we'd have a much different opinion of them.

Re:And in totally unrelated news.... (3, Informative)

donscarletti (569232) | about two weeks ago | (#47474241)

Here's the thing.

We are moving now to start reducing the first 13,000 positions, and the vast majority of employees whose jobs will be eliminated will be notified over the next six months."

They are announcing layoffs that will not be implemented, in some cases for over 6 months in the future. That means, for over 6 months, Microsoft employees won't know for sure whether they will be laid off or kept. In management terms, that is going to result in dramatically lower morale and productivity for half a year for what? So that Microsoft can announce 5,000 more layoffs than they are actually capable of firing right now.

It really just shows how much more Microsoft cares about stock value than running a good company.

Re:And in totally unrelated news.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474333)

People will leave Microsoft over this.

posting anonymous, for undisclosed reasons.

Re:And in totally unrelated news.... (4, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | about two weeks ago | (#47474357)

Wait a minute. Microsoft has the ability to innovate? Who knew!

That's been true of most companies since the .com era.

Long term thinking is out the window in favor of short term increases to the stock, which increases the net worth of the CEO and makes them darlings of Wall Street.

That they might be actually harming the company long term is irrelevant.

Re:And in totally unrelated news.... (4, Insightful)

Aqualung812 (959532) | about two weeks ago | (#47474399)

That means, for over 6 months, Microsoft employees won't know for sure whether they will be laid off or kept.

Which means the most talented and valuable employees will find new jobs before there are layoffs, and Microsoft will end up keeping the ones that couldn't find a job elsewhere.

How does this make Microsoft better?

Re:And in totally unrelated news.... (4, Informative)

GNious (953874) | about two weeks ago | (#47474589)

In some (many?) countries, sizable lay-offs have to be announced well in advanced by law - they may just be trying to accommodate for this.

6 times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474031)

it's like they are going to fire 6 times everybody of my company !

Microsoft shrinking market? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474049)

Although Microsoft has actually expanded its product line, With devices like Surface tablet, buying Nokia phones and expanding product lines like Office and cloud services. Microsoft is now dramatically shrinking its work force. Meanwhile, Apple is doing deal with IBM for a foot in door attempt at Enterprise and with Office running on iPads now, Apple does have motive to do so. As much as I hate Apple, they have the bank account to push forward and Apple does seem to have smarter people then Google or Microsoft to make things work. Although, I have always seen Apple has having to spend a lot to get even small percentage gains in enterprise. Microsoft is not dead, but this recent news of worker shrinkage just proves that Microsoft has decided to re focus and move away from less successful markets.

h1b going first? (1)

Revek (133289) | about two weeks ago | (#47474067)

I can't even type that without laughing.

Re:h1b going first? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about two weeks ago | (#47474249)

Probably true. The H1Bs are easier to dispose of, so the ones they are letting go will be let go first.

There's a shortage!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474085)

Well, even if 12.5m jobs are at Nokia, MS is still purging 5500 jobs elsewhere, at the same time they're crying about a shortage of workers.

Re:There's a shortage!!! (2)

CheezburgerBrown . (3417019) | about two weeks ago | (#47474543)

shortage of workers that have skills that will make money for the company

Nokia sure has bad luck (1)

satuon (1822492) | about two weeks ago | (#47474095)

It's sad that they got bought just at the moment when Microsoft's CEO was going to change. I fully expect the new CEO to soon admit that the mobile market has been lost forever, and discard Nokia. In the end, all the Nokia saga would have been for nothing.

Re:Nokia sure has bad luck (5, Insightful)

Exitar (809068) | about two weeks ago | (#47474127)

Nokia can only blame itself for letting Elop become their CEO years ago.

Re:Nokia sure has bad luck (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474233)

Unfortunately, like most corporate fuck ups, the board made the decision and the everyday guy trying to grind out a living to support his or her family gets the consequences.

Re:Nokia sure has bad luck (4, Insightful)

jcdr (178250) | about two weeks ago | (#47474387)

Very true. How the board was misinformed to the point of doing a such clear suicide is still part of the hidden story. Even more strange is the constant support the board give to the CEO even after all the alarms was turning full red. The "No plan B" concept was the biggest mistake ever from a board.

Re:Nokia sure has bad luck (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about two weeks ago | (#47474411)

Nokia was just for getting the patents which are worth a lot of money. Everyone has figured their angle a long time ago. The smartphones, as Microsoft usually does, will just be outsourced to someone in China.

Lets cut the H1B's! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474101)

Sign the petition, lets get Obama to address why we still have H1B's
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/discuss-why-we-still-allow-h1b-visas-during-slow-economy/BxntX3JC

Re:Lets cut the H1B's! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474491)

I don't know about other companies, but the one I work for pay the exact same salary for the exact same job in the same geographic location, H1B or not. The only thing that comes into the equation is whether or not the candidate is qualified. So if a candidate is above the hiring bar, we try to hire him/her (hey, the candidate may decide to take another job) without any regard to country of citizenship. So by definition, yes, we need the H1B or we won't be able to grow as fast without lowering our quality bar. And we hire a LOT of people.

what this says (4, Interesting)

slashmydots (2189826) | about two weeks ago | (#47474113)

He might as well have written "Hey everyone, stop giving a shit about your job because you're probably fired." The same thing happened for the contracted/outsourced IT dept at the hospital where I worked. They told them 2 years in advance that they were not renewing their contract and were switching to a crew from IBM. So they stopped caring, didn't follow the dress code, outsourced internal support calls to Mexico, and their support response time rose to 3 months.

Stephen Elop (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474131)

It's amazing that this guy can run the company into the ground and still have a job. How badly do you have to screw up to get fired as a CEO?

Re:Stephen Elop (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about two weeks ago | (#47474301)

It's amazing that this guy can run the company into the ground and still have a job. How badly do you have to screw up to get fired as a CEO?

looks a Ballmer

Pretty bad, apparently...

Re:Stephen Elop (4, Interesting)

cheesybagel (670288) | about two weeks ago | (#47474439)

He ran Nokia into the ground so it could be acquired by Microsoft for peanuts. Now that he has done his job he gets the reward of a cushy job at Microsoft. I do not see anything strange here.

Surprised? More to come (1)

whiskeytangofox (3611897) | about two weeks ago | (#47474137)

"Synergies" is newspeak for layoffs and when there is M&A activity, layoffs inevitably follow. Looks like Nokia people are taking the lion's share of the cuts. With 127,000 employees there are probably a huge number of seat moisteners and business preventers who need to be dispatched. Perhaps some of them will go in the next waves.

Re:Surprised? More to come (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | about two weeks ago | (#47474463)

The Wikipedia page says Nokia has 91 K employees. This layoff number seems mostly arbitrary. It is the typical management rack em up tactic of firing 10% of employees when the company is losing ground.

Re:Surprised? More to come (1)

non0score (890022) | about two weeks ago | (#47474511)

Usually the "seat moisteners and business preventers" are the last to go. They are that because they have some ability to not get fired. The ones who tried to change the company for the better tend to be outcasts, and are usually the first ones to go.

Re:Surprised? More to come (1)

CheezburgerBrown . (3417019) | about two weeks ago | (#47474563)

M&A Activity? could you explain that plz. thx.

Anyone left at Nokia afterwards? (2)

sasparillascott (1267058) | about two weeks ago | (#47474169)

With 12,500 gone from the Nokia, is there going to be anyone left at (what was formerly known as Nokia) after this? Or did Microsoft just kill off their phone division?

They are also killing off their Android phones (1, Informative)

core (3330) | about two weeks ago | (#47474179)

Not exactly a surprise
http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/17/5911909/microsoft-kills-off-its-nokia-android-phones

Re:They are also killing off their Android phones (1)

Nyder (754090) | about two weeks ago | (#47474375)

Not exactly a surprise
http://www.theverge.com/2014/7... [theverge.com]

No way, MS kill a phone off after they just release it? They'd never do that, twice!!!!!

Freak out everyone for 6 months?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474201)

>the vast majority of employees whose jobs will be eliminated will be notified over the next six months.

Really? With that one half of a sentence, you've just killed morale for 6+ months. Layoffs need to be a surprise, like a ninja appearing out of nowhere, cutting off an arm, then disappearing into the darkness never to be seen again.

Why wouldn't anyone have thought of this? Take a fucking psychology class.

Re:Freak out everyone for 6 months?! (3, Interesting)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about two weeks ago | (#47474353)

>the vast majority of employees whose jobs will be eliminated will be notified over the next six months.

Really? With that one half of a sentence, you've just killed morale for 6+ months.

You're looking at it all wrong, from an employee mentality.

You need to look at it from a PHB mentality - telling people they *might* get fired in the next 6 months is incentive for them to work harder so that their job isn't the one that's cut (nevermind the fact that management decided who was to go a long, long time ago).

BINGO in the first paragraph alone (2)

darylb (10898) | about two weeks ago | (#47474205)

We have buzzword BINGO in the first paragraph. Holy cow.

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1994-02-22/

Re:BINGO in the first paragraph alone (2)

gstoddart (321705) | about two weeks ago | (#47474331)

We have buzzword BINGO in the first paragraph. Holy cow.

I have yet to hear a CEO speak without winning buzzword bingo in the first few sentences.

It's funny (and cringeworthy) because it's true.

I honestly can't decide if they know what they say sounds absurd, or if they really think they're saying intelligible things.

Years ago at another job, during the quarterly "Kool Aid/Rah Rah" speeches, if they were on a conference call ... people openly played buzzword bingo in the meeting room. With HR in the room.

Heck, we used to look at the semi annual roadmaps to see what unicorns and rainbows the CEO had cooked up now -- because invariably there were several entries which were gone in six months, and several entries which were so far outside of what the company did that nobody understood WTF they were about.

You can only hear a CEO be completely wrong about what we'll be doing in six months (let alone two years) before you come to the conclusion CEOs live in their own little bubble, and mostly company success happens without their help (or more accurately, despite their help).

But they still give themselves massive bonuses, even if not a single prediction they made in the last year actually came true.

Stephen Elop's email to the employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474211)

(edited)

We plan to right-size our manufacturing operations to align to the new strategy and take advantage of integration opportunities.

We plan that this would result in an estimated reduction of 12,500 factory direct and professional employees over the next year. These decisions are difficult for the team, and we plan to support departing team members’ with severance benefits.

We recognize these planned changes are broad and have very difficult implications for many of our team members. We will work to provide as much clarity and information as possible. Today and over the coming weeks leaders across the organization will hold town halls, host information sharing sessions and provide more details on the intranet.

The team transferring from Nokia and the teams that have been part of Microsoft have each experienced a number of remarkable changes these last few years. We operate in a competitive industry that moves rapidly, and change is necessary. As difficult as some of our changes are today, this direction deliberately aligns our work with the cross company efforts that Satya has described in his recent emails. Collectively, the clarity, focus and alignment across the company, and the opportunity to deliver the results of that work into the hands of people, will allow us to increase our success in the future.

Regards,

Stephen

My thought:

Burn in hell Elop - your greed and seemingly-deliberate mismanagement of Nokia has screwed with the lives of tens of thousands of people.

Favorite buzzword used 3 times in her email (1)

DaveM753 (844913) | about two weeks ago | (#47474225)

Ballmer: "Developers! Developers! Developers!"

Nadella: "Synergies! Synergies! Synergies!"

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474237)

Microsoft just issued a statement saying all 18,000 can transfer by sending their children to China.

Re: Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474427)

Only male children.

I predict that these layoffs will not prevent (2, Insightful)

Presto Vivace (882157) | about two weeks ago | (#47474281)

Microsoft from going to congress and crying that they need more H1-B's because they can't find workers with the skills that they need.

Re:I predict that these layoffs will not prevent (1)

Shados (741919) | about two weeks ago | (#47474487)

You can be pretty sure they're not going to lay off senior engineers, unless they're closing down certain offices and said engineers don't want to relocate, and its those they have issues finding. The junior mobile app devs and the HR people? Tough luck for them.

I guess they won't be hiring in the near future! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474325)

Anyone who has recently applied for a job or is preparing to apply for a job at Microsoft can pretty much forget about it and move on to something else at this point.

Oh, and if you currently work in the HR department at Microsoft, in the near future you'll be needed to process all the exit interviews but after that's done, you'll be out of a job as well. The HR department will remain small for a long time. Sorry about the reality shock.

The IT professionals currently at Microsoft will be very busy locking out users as they laid off and collecting their computers, but there won't be much need for so many IT people after the dust settles. And of course it always sucks that IT is classified as an expense department since it doesn't **directly** generate income. But try to generate income when you only have a handful of sleep-deprived IT professionals working under a 24/7 on-call status.

Things that make you go hmmmm (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474343)

3 steps to making your company great:
Step 1) Recognize your company has a problem and need help MS -"We are incapable of breaching the mobile phone market on our own"
Step 2) Buy a company that has success in the area your current employees are having trouble with MS -"Lets buys Nokia"
Step 3) Fire employees of the successful acquisition and keep on your incompetent ones to manage the downfall of the tech your just acquired MS - "Lets be the right size"

You'll be the right size in no time MS.

Keep up the good work

Just when you thought morale could not go lower (4, Insightful)

Squidlips (1206004) | about two weeks ago | (#47474351)

MS already has a hideous management technique called "stack ranking" that killed morale (http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/07/03/the-terrible-management-technique-that-cost-microsoft-its-creativity/). Now some idiot in management decides to float the story about 5K jobs going away in 6 months and couch it in Dilbert weasel words. So everyone who is not demoralized enough by stack ranking will be terrified by this announcement.

Synergy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474367)

Yeah, right.
http://stedy.tripod.com/dilbert/synergy.jpg

This is the beginning of the end for M$ (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474381)

This news isn't surprising at all with the string of failues M$ has faced. From Windoze Vista on every release has been a dismal failues. Once Vista 9 is released it too will fail much like the M$ Xbone. Even Vista Phone is failing and with Nokia's addiction to Vista phone is it any wonder they too are failing. Soon, M$ and Nokia will be distant memories as will non-free software as people will be flocking to free software in droves.

--
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Friends do assist M$ addicted friends in committing suicide.

Dead Sea effect looming? (2)

Squidlips (1206004) | about two weeks ago | (#47474385)

The management is so bad at MS that I wonder if they have a Dead Sea effect. First there was "Stack Ranking", then the stifling of innovation, loss of market share, and now the looming huge layoffs in the next 6 months. You have to believe that all the best people have left or will leave shortly leaving just the salt. This will further stifle innovation...

Awesome news (1)

gelfling (6534) | about two weeks ago | (#47474431)

Another company eats its own buzzwords and kills over tons more jobs.

18000 jobs cut because (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474479)

Synergies! Yeah, uh, Synergies!

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474503)

you layoff company.

Windows 8 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47474555)

Yea with OS like that good luck bitchez!

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