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Malaysian Passenger Plane Reportedly Shot Down Over Ukraine

Unknown Lamer posted about two weeks ago | from the can't-we-all-get-along dept.

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An anonymous reader writes The Russian newswire service Interfax is reporting that a Malaysian passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down with a Buk ground-to-air missile over Ukraine near the Russian border. The Associated Press cites an adviser to Ukraine's Interior Minister as the source. First reports are that it was mistaken for a Ukrainian AN-26. Malaysia airlines confirms they lost contact with the plane (last known position), but there's no confirmation it was shot down (yet). The Ukrainian government accused Russia of shooting down a fighter jet in Ukrainian airspace last night. Reports indicate there are no survivors.

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Wait for it... (0)

djupedal (584558) | about two weeks ago | (#47475673)

We're now getting reports from the airline that there was an issue on board, so everything, including being shot down, is speculation at the moment.

Re:Wait for it... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475715)

Yeah, an issue on board caused by a freaking antiaircraft missile, right?

Actually as I heard it Russia actually shot down a Su-25 [telegraph.co.uk] the other day as well, so this may have been a result of an overzealous commander telling his subordinates to shoot down "everything that flies."

Re:Wait for it... (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about two weeks ago | (#47475743)

I share your hope but not your optimism. Disappearing over the Ukrainian/Russian border would be a remarkable coincidence. Then again, a remarkable coincidence started WWI, so...

Re:Wait for it... (2, Interesting)

KingOfBLASH (620432) | about two weeks ago | (#47475769)

I share your hope but not your optimism. Disappearing over the Ukrainian/Russian border would be a remarkable coincidence. Then again, a remarkable coincidence started WWI, so...

Well it is also a remarkable coincidence this happens to Malaysia air -- who lost another Boeing 777 in March.

It's entirely possible the reason both flights are lost is the same. But, all is speculation until we hear more news

Re:Wait for it... (5, Informative)

ShanghaiBill (739463) | about two weeks ago | (#47476281)

I share your hope but not your optimism.

Your optimism is misplaced. Photos of the crash [reuters.com] are on Reuters website, and reports of debris and body parts are coming in. The big question now is who shot it down. Most fingers are pointing at the pro-Russian rebels.

Re:Wait for it... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475773)

The only thing not speculative is the fact that this is all the fault of the 'fascist junta' that has taken over Ukraine.

The rest is details.

Re:Wait for it... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475865)

Russia hasn't taken over Ukraine yet. Unless you meant another fascist junta.

Re:Wait for it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475993)

He does. The US fascist junta. It appears the only people unaware of the US fascist junta are the Americans themselves. Americans will go down in history as the most gullible, deluded people ever to live.

Re:Wait for it... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476247)

Americans will go down in history as the most gullible, deluded people ever to live.

Yes, but we won't go down in history aboard a jet shot from the sky by some crazy fucking warmonger (Putin) and die like animals. We may live in ignorance, but it's a long and happy life. Enjoy your well-informed death.

Re:Wait for it... (5, Interesting)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about two weeks ago | (#47475791)

Too much of a coincidence for a plane to crash in a war zone where a fighter was shot down just the other day and a transport aircraft An-26 was shot down by a missile at 25,000ft couple of days ago. And by the way, why would a commercial airliner fly through such an airspace anyway?

Re:Wait for it... (5, Funny)

fustakrakich (1673220) | about two weeks ago | (#47475891)

And by the way, why would a commercial airliner fly through such an airspace anyway?

To get to the other side?

Re:Wait for it... (5, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about two weeks ago | (#47476063)

And by the way, why would a commercial airliner fly through such an airspace anyway?

Because the time & fuel savings were weighed to be more significant than any risks to commercial air traffic? Until today.

Re:Wait for it... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476305)

If civilian commercial aviation is becoming fair game for armies seeking to gain advantage, then the world has just gone to a very bad place.

Re:Wait for it... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about two weeks ago | (#47476343)

If civilian commercial aviation is becoming fair game

Dude, 350 million dead [hawaii.edu] in the last century alone. Every one is a tragedy, but one airplane hardly compares.

Re:Wait for it... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476213)

To answer your question...

The location tracking clearly indicated it is a normal flight path and at an altitude where only radar guided type missiles could hit. In other words, the weapons that could reach the altitude for it to hit should have known it was a passenger airplane. Unless they were rebels given equipment with very little training and no infrastructure to compare the flight paths with known flights.

Re:Wait for it... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476273)

And by the way, why would a commercial airliner fly through such an airspace anyway?

Each airline (and/or its regulatory overlords) will make its own decision as to where to (not) fly. The FAA told US based airlines to not fly over the region as a precaution. Apparently the Malaysian authorities came to a different risk evaluation. Or, they are still trying to figure out how to make a decision. Or they were ignored by the state flagged carrier.

"Issue on board" (4, Funny)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about two weeks ago | (#47475871)

>> issue on board

Like a missile poking up through the floorboards and then exploding?

Re:"Issue on board" (1)

geekoid (135745) | about two weeks ago | (#47475959)

The use of the word 'poking' in that sentence just cracks me up.

I imagine a cartoon missile polity peeking in 'Excuse me, mind if I explode?'

Re:Wait for it... (5, Interesting)

chaosdivine69 (1456649) | about two weeks ago | (#47475957)

Well then, to add to the speculation... On Reuters via Twitter, reporter Anne Applebaum tweeted this: Donetsk commander Strelkov, longtime Russian agent, claimed credit today for shooting plane he thought was Ukrainian http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsw... [twimg.com] Though I can not read Russian (could someone please translate?), I don't get the sense that it says anything too positive though.

Re:Wait for it... (2)

chaosdivine69 (1456649) | about two weeks ago | (#47476007)

Oh, and my source via Reuters is this live feed: http://live.reuters.com/Event/... [reuters.com] in case anyone else is interested.

Re:Wait for it... (5, Informative)

IgShaman81 (788693) | about two weeks ago | (#47476201)

Translating from russian... "Near Torez (city) an An-26 airplane was just shot down, it crashed somewhere beyond "Progress" mine site. We warned beforehand - do not fly over "our zone". Here's another video proof of the next "birdfall". A birdie crashed down beyond terricon (mine excavation site), missed living areas. Population not harmed. We also allegedly have info on another SU-25 shot down".

Re:Wait for it... (2)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476215)

I have a Russian coworker and he confirms thats basically what teh image is about; there is the usual spin about wrong plane etc but yes they shot it down.

what is your source? (5, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | about two weeks ago | (#47476005)

Citation required (seriously, you couldn't be bothered?)

I can't find anything to back your claim.

Re:what is your source? (4, Funny)

Herkum01 (592704) | about two weeks ago | (#47476267)

I did a search and I found it, http://news.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] , is that good enoug for you?

Re:Wait for it... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476161)

Mod parent down for being a dishonest twat. No such reports exist.

Re:Wait for it... (4, Informative)

IgShaman81 (788693) | about two weeks ago | (#47476223)

We're also now getting reports on numerous posters trying to white-wash this tragedy and make it look either as if this plane was not shot, or as if it was shot down by UA air forces. Clearly, Russian propaganda machinery is in full shit-on mode.

Re:Wait for it... (2)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about two weeks ago | (#47476347)

We're now getting reports from the airline that there was an issue on board, so everything, including being shot down, is speculation at the moment.

Reports on sceen are finding multiple wreckage sites. Suggesting it, in some way, blew up. So it's not looking good.

Wow. Terrble Turn. (5, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | about two weeks ago | (#47475705)

What a horrible tragedy, and one that changes the political climate considerably. Obama will face much less resistance from Europe if Russia turns out to be responsible. It also gives the Ukraine a reason to call in US "specialists" for help with the investigation.

Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475787)

Pro-russian separatist claimed it, wonder if they are still cheering:
http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_7256 [vk.com]

Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476009)

Is that one of those separatists who wears a Russian uniform, was delivered by Russian transports, and uses Russian military equipment?

Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (4, Funny)

Tailhook (98486) | about two weeks ago | (#47476203)

No no no. That's one of the oppressed freedom fighters struggling against the Ukrainian fascist junta.

Get your narrative right.

Re: Wow. Terrble Turn. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476113)

https://web.archive.org/web/20140717155720/https://vk.com/wall-57424472_7256

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717155906/http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_7256

Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475821)

Obama will face much less resistance from Europe if Russia turns out to be responsible. It also gives the Ukraine a reason to call in US "specialists" for help with the investigation.

cui bono?

Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (1)

MightyYar (622222) | about two weeks ago | (#47475909)

I'm not sure who it would benefit, but it is possible that dragging more parties into the conflict could be perceived as a benefit to the Ukraine.

Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (4, Informative)

HornWumpus (783565) | about two weeks ago | (#47476111)

US manufactured aircraft. So American crash investigators being involved is SOP by all the international conventions that apply.

As noted by sib posts. A Russian is claiming credit, for the wrong airplane. Must have gotten their Vodka ration.

Re:Wow. Terrble Turn. (1)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about two weeks ago | (#47476271)

What a horrible tragedy, and one that changes the political climate considerably. Obama will face much less resistance from Europe if Russia turns out to be responsible. It also gives the Ukraine a reason to call in US "specialists" for help with the investigation.

The majority of those on board were Chinese... Basically Russia's only ally in this whole mess. Things are about to get very interesting. My heart goes out to all those whos family was on board, but keep in mind, more people than that are dieing daily under where that plane was flying.

Strelkov (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475727)

Re: Strelkov (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476189)

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717155906/http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_7256

https://web.archive.org/web/20140717155720/https://vk.com/wall-57424472_7256

All we really know so far (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475735)

is that it isn't a very good idea to fly Malaysia Airlines.

Re:All we really know so far (1)

alen (225700) | about two weeks ago | (#47475803)

but i bet they are going to have one hell of a sale soon

Seems like old times (4, Informative)

wiredog (43288) | about two weeks ago | (#47475739)

For those of us old enough to remember The USS Vincennes [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Seems like old times (4, Interesting)

kevloral (786401) | about two weeks ago | (#47475805)

And those even older may remember Korean Air Lines Flight 007 and Korean Air Lines Flight 902 (both shot down by the Soviet Union). It seems they have done it again.

Re:Seems like old times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475855)

Only five years before Vincennes, yet somehow nonexistant in your mind or BBC reporting, is the most recent passenger shootdown by Russians.

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 [wikipedia.org]

Re:Seems like old times (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about two weeks ago | (#47476157)

Didn't they also accidently shoot down one of their own charters? Stated reason was 'war game accident'. Coming back from Israel IIRC.

Re:Seems like old times (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476321)

Ah yes, I was waiting eagerly for the first post blaming America.

Ah. (0)

Shoten (260439) | about two weeks ago | (#47475801)

Here's one of the problems with MANPADS (MAN-Portable Air Defense Systems). When you're holding one, your eyes are pretty much all you have to go on for determining friend from foe, and you are your own command chain. So if 90% of the people carrying those missiles around are calm of mind and sharp of eye, you still get 10% of them who may well shoot at anything with wings.

Re:Ah. (4, Informative)

Ryanrule (1657199) | about two weeks ago | (#47475829)

Manpad cant reach this high.

This was a deliberate radar guided attack.

Re:Ah. (2)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about two weeks ago | (#47475857)

From the reports, the plane was flying at a cruising altitude of ~30,000ft., way too high for a MANPAD. It would have to be a radar guided missile system like SA-11 (which both sides have) but still there is a question how they would identify the plane.

Re:Ah. (2)

Rhywden (1940872) | about two weeks ago | (#47475867)

I highly doubt that a shoulder-carried ground-air-missile is able to reach up to 10 km.

Re:Ah. (5, Interesting)

rahvin112 (446269) | about two weeks ago | (#47475877)

I don't think MANPADS can hit a plane at that altitude. Early reports said this plane was at nearly 30-50k altitude on it's way to Moscow and most MANPAD systems have fairly limited altitude ranges in the 2 mile range. This is the reason Ukraine accused Russia of shooting that other plane transport plane down, it was at an altitude that very very few MANPAD systems are capable of reaching.

Either Russia has given the insurgents some very high tech MANPADS or Russia shot the plane down using an air defense system like the S300. You need pretty advanced (and relatively large) missiles to reach the altitude that commercial airlines fly at.

Re:Ah. (1, Informative)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | about two weeks ago | (#47476033)

Either Russia has given the insurgents some very high tech MANPADS or Russia shot the plane down using an air defense system like the S300.
 
Those are not the only two possibilities. Ukraine was complaining about Russian planes intruding on it's airspace just yesterday and it possesses plenty of weapons capable of shooting down a plane at that altitude.

Re:Ah. (4, Insightful)

Rhywden (1940872) | about two weeks ago | (#47476235)

The separatists have control over a Ukrainian anti-air installation (A-1402). That installation contains BUKs, which are quite able to reach a plane at that height. Also, given the separatist's demonstrated willingness to shoot down airplanes and that they also lied about their capabilities, I dare say that it's not looking good for them at the moment.

Re:Ah. (1)

rahvin112 (446269) | about two weeks ago | (#47476313)

I highly doubt a Russian military plane would shoot down a commercial airliner flying into Moscow. Not only did this probably kill mostly Russian citizens, no Russian pilot is going to fire on a plane in a commercial flight corridor that's the same size and speed of a commercial airplane without visually confirming it's not a commercial plane.

You might remember the soviets did that once apparently intentionally and it didn't end well for them, and that plane didn't even have Russian citizens on it. I won't believe a Russian fighter jet shot that plane down without hard evidence.

Re:Ah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476101)

It was a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur (Malysia). A lot of Dutch people on that plane on their way to Australia and New Zealand. :(

Re:Ah. (1)

rahvin112 (446269) | about two weeks ago | (#47476359)

With a layover in Moscow from what I read. Admittedly it's all pretty preliminary and the information has changed a couple times already.

Re:Ah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476183)

Ummm, or Ukraine did it. Did that possibility slip your mind or are you braindead?

Re:Ah. (2)

IgShaman81 (788693) | about two weeks ago | (#47476287)

Well, the plane was shot down over territories controlled by pro-Russian terrorists. Just before noon, there was a few posts by them claiming that they have a powerful anti-aircraft missile system installed in this very area. There are videos of this, etc.. take a look -

https://twitter.com/kram_ua/status/489819473789333505/photo/1 [twitter.com]

It roughly says the following: "Anti-aircraft system BUK, on territory of anti-aircraft site PVO A1402 controlled by DNR (name of this pro-Russian terrorist organization)". Date: 29/06/2014.

Re:Ah. (1)

schwit1 (797399) | about two weeks ago | (#47475897)

Do we know it's a MANPAD and not an S-300? The plane was probably at ~40,000ft.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/... [globalsecurity.org]
max range=6000m. That's only half the distance to cruising altitude.

Re:Ah. (1)

halivar (535827) | about two weeks ago | (#47475923)

I think we can squeeze one more "way too high" reply. Any takers?

Re:Ah. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475981)

All the soldiers equipped with MANPADs were busy snorting coke at the time, and so were way too high to hit anything.

How's that?

Some more info: (2)

Zanadou (1043400) | about two weeks ago | (#47475825)

Recorded flight path: http://flightaware.com/live/fl... [flightaware.com]

Bubble and froth: http://www.airliners.net/aviat... [airliners.net]

Re:Some more info: (2)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | about two weeks ago | (#47476279)

Actually, that FlightAware tracking tells the tale on this I believe.

If you look at the other flights for that route, they travel further south by about 40-60 miles than the one that got shot down.

This plane was off course at least compared to the other flights. Whether that has anything to do with it, hard to tell....

Re:Some more info: (1)

NeverVotedBush (1041088) | about two weeks ago | (#47476349)

The flight that was shot down was fully north of the Sea of Azov. Compared with the other flights, it turns out they were more like 100 miles north of all the other flight tracks I looked at. All the other flights either go over the Sea of Azov or even just at the south edge. I didn't see any that flew as far to the north.

Again, not sure if that matters, but check the tracks for yourselves. I have a hunch it is going to matter and it is probably a contributor to why it got shot down.

Maybe it was weather that caused the flight to go that far north or possibly a mis-keyed waypoint. But it's obvious it was in a different area than those flights normally flew. And it might not be of any importance. Just noting what the tracks reveal...

Another Malaysian Air 777 (1, Interesting)

schwit1 (797399) | about two weeks ago | (#47475827)

If I were Malaysian Air I would not be surprised if passengers start asking for flights on some other model plane.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Another Malaysian Air 777 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475901)

At least this time they know where the plane is...

Re:Another Malaysian Air 777 (1)

Cutriss (262920) | about two weeks ago | (#47476109)

If I were Boeing I would not be surprised if passengers start asking for planes to be sold to another airline.

Re:Another Malaysian Air 777 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476363)

If I were Malaysian Air I would not be surprised if passengers start asking for flights on some other model plane.

We are still in speculation mode, but no commercial aircraft is designed to survive a missile strike.

Confused. (-1, Offtopic)

Last_Available_Usern (756093) | about two weeks ago | (#47475831)

This is a tragic story, but why is this on Slashdot? This is indeed stuff that matters, but news for nerds? Not so much.

Re:Confused. (1)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | about two weeks ago | (#47476019)

One of the most complex machines built and operated by man has allegedly been shot down from 40,000 feet by a sophisticated explosives-carrying rocket missile, and it's not 'news for nerds?'

Re:Confused. (1)

Albanach (527650) | about two weeks ago | (#47476089)

Indeed, I think the OP is suffering from miracle of flight [cc.com] syndrome.

Re:Confused. (-1, Flamebait)

Last_Available_Usern (756093) | about two weeks ago | (#47476251)

Two other airplanes (non-commercial with much lower loss of life and thus less interesting to news outlets I presume) were shot down within the week in similar airspace. Why aren't we discussing those? Go ahead and try to put a techie spin on it, but the point remains that we're only oogling over this because a bunch of people died, which not only seem distasteful, but again, has nothing to with the type of news this site represents.

Re:Confused. (2)

RavenLrD20k (311488) | about two weeks ago | (#47476199)

Karma to burn so at the risk of being offtopic to the article, but ontopic to you: We're antiquated relics from a time when the slogan still applied. The beginning of the end can be traced back to the fall of the WTC buildings, but the /. editors still tried their hardest to keep stories to the theme of the slogan for years after. However, ever since that event, Slashdot has slowly moved away from focusing solely on stories that fit the slogan and bringing in stories that have a possible historic and/or "climate" (whether this be political or otherwise) changing significance. The acquisition of /. by Dice just sped up this process. While it is still a large focus of the site you'll probably notice that the slogan "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters" has been removed from the main page*.

*Note: I just checked Beta, and noticed that the "News for Nerds" part of the slogan is part of the logo there... but who visits beta anyway?

Re:Confused. (4, Insightful)

gstoddart (321705) | about two weeks ago | (#47476217)

Right, because nerds don't give a rats ass about civilian casualties in war zones from commercial jets getting shot down.

Nosirree, none of us ever fly because we're always safely ensconced in our mom's basement. Doesn't affect us at all. And we certainly might not know people from the region.

Don't like these stories? Don't read 'em.

Re:Confused. (1)

Last_Available_Usern (756093) | about two weeks ago | (#47476331)

Why are you so hostile? Is this the website you come to for world and economic news? I bet it's not.

Those bloody sepratists! (2)

SpzToid (869795) | about two weeks ago | (#47475879)

That rag tag militia got lucky it seems, with a direct hit no less. Those light ammunitions gathered from round the house, what the odd Klashnikov and what have you.

Speculation at this point is this is what those rag-taggers managed to bring it down with: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new... [telegraph.co.uk]

another government crime against humanity (1, Troll)

roman_mir (125474) | about two weeks ago | (#47475899)

As always, doesn't even matter which government it is, but it is a government weapon that killed near 300 people by shooting down a civilian passenger plane.
These horrific crimes are perpetrated by government criminals will never stop as long as there are governments.

Re:another government crime against humanity (3, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | about two weeks ago | (#47476003)

you don't know what 'government' means, do you?

Re:another government crime against humanity (1, Troll)

roman_mir (125474) | about two weeks ago | (#47476073)

a group of criminals that are the political class within a system, regardless of how the political class is created in the first place. This group of criminals usurps power over the individuals, which includes power to dictate what money is, what the taxes are, what the laws are and it gives itself 'legal' power to steal from the individuals and murder them. A democratic government is one, where the criminal political group is difficult to get rid of since there is no one easily identifiable target, it is a criminal hydra.

Re:another government crime against humanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476055)

As always, doesn't even matter which government it is, but it is a government weapon that killed near 300 people by shooting down a civilian passenger plane.
These horrific crimes are perpetrated by government criminals will never stop as long as there are PEOPLE.

Fixed that for you.

Re:another government crime against humanity (2)

jsherma2 (549469) | about two weeks ago | (#47476127)

Cue Family Guy "let's get rid of government" reference: Now that we've freed ourselves from the terrible shackles of government, it's time to replace it with something better. The first thing we need is a system of rules that everyone must live by. ..Got to have rules. And since we can't spend all our time making rules, I think that we should elect some people to represent us, and they should make rules and choices on our behalf. ..That's probably a good idea. Now, this may be kind of expensive, so I got a plan: everyone should have to give some money from their salaries each year. Poor people will give a little bit of money and rich people will give a larger amount of money, and our representatives will use all that money to hire some people who will then provide us with social order and basic services. Now, it won't be perfect. Some of our representatives may end up being bastards. But you know what? That's okay 'cause later we're going to have more elections, and we can use those elections to get rid of the bad guys and replace 'em with good guys, and then the system will just keep going on and on just like that. So who's with me? Will you join me in trying this new crazy thing? Then let's do it. Yeah, and we did it all without government.

Re:another government crime against humanity (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476181)

Right, and eliminating every single government in the world will result in fewer people killing each other? Excellent hypothesis.

Re:another government crime against humanity (1)

0123456 (636235) | about two weeks ago | (#47476351)

Right, and eliminating every single government in the world will result in fewer people killing each other? Excellent hypothesis.

Governments murdered a couple of hundred million people in the last century, and threatened to murder billions on a few minutes' notice. Free market murderers would have to work pretty darn hard to keep up with that.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47475939)

Four and a half months is a long time to remain airborne. Something had to happen

Red October (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476001)

Wait ... you've lost another plane?

CNN (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476017)

CNN is already excitedly dusting off their airplane model.

Russian GRU officer Strelkov boasted about it (5, Informative)

kevloral (786401) | about two weeks ago | (#47476021)

This is a capture of the message in the VK network sent by Russian GRU officer Strelkov admitting that he ordered the missile strike against the Malaysian jet: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs... [twimg.com]

Local air traffic at time of event (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476071)

Local air traffic at time of event.

http://v-serv.com/MH17/MH17.jpg

Lots of commercial airlines in the area.

Squirrel event (0)

nurb432 (527695) | about two weeks ago | (#47476131)

Not saying this was planned, but you can be sure this will be used to distract the US from the current events here..

Flight 370 plance crashes in Ukraine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476197)

So, this is where the 777 of Flight 370 finally was crashed by whoever abducted it an flew it to Diego Garcia. As you know, it happened right after a major superpower screwed up with Ukraine (the same that operates Diego Garcia)

The real sad question is - where are all the people - the ones from the original Flight 370, and the ones from the plane that has landed right now in order for the flight 370 777 to take its place.

News, but ... (1)

RaccoonBandit (2597025) | about two weeks ago | (#47476207)

While the (possibly intentional) destruction of the aircraft is tragic, with potential political consequences, loss of human lives, and so on, and is undoubtedly news we all should be aware of, how does this fit into Slashdot's focus on news related to technology and science topics?

OMG (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476211)

WTF????

Possible factor (5, Interesting)

Kyogreex (2700775) | about two weeks ago | (#47476229)

Firstly, I'd like to note that I'm not placing blame with any particular party or saying that this was definitely an incident where the plane was shot down. With that said, the plane was in the older Malysia Airlines livery, which has the bottom of the fuselage and engine nacelles painted grey. Perhaps this could contribute to it being mistaken for a military transport by inexperienced or trigger-happy forces, as it would be a similar color to that used on those transports. I hope the truth of this incident can be found without politics getting in the way on every side. The crew and passengers deserve it.

Why fly over a war zone? (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about two weeks ago | (#47476237)

Is it really a good idea to continue flying your normal route when it now goes over a war zone? And one where planes and helis have already been downed? Its not like there aren't any number of safer alternatives.

Re: Why fly over a war zone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47476301)

I assume due to the fact the plane was way above the range of normal missles.

But I bet they will all be diverted now. Should make quite a mess.

Hopefully my flight ends better.

Re:Why fly over a war zone? (1)

SpzToid (869795) | about two weeks ago | (#47476303)

Up until this period of time, airspace at that altitude, over this region, wasn't in any way shape or form considered to be a war-zone, I can assure you. Or else that commercial flight would not have been there in the first place. I do not believe this particular international commercial flight up there was something like an isolated event either. Now your point in retrospect perhaps...

What, again??? (0)

savl (575296) | about two weeks ago | (#47476257)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 crashed over the Black Sea on 4 October 2001, en route from Tel Aviv, Israel to Novosibirsk, Russia. The plane, a Soviet-made Tupolev Tu-154, carried an estimated 66 passengers and 12 crew members. No one on board survived. The crash site is some 190 km west-southwest of the Black Sea resort of Sochi and 140 km north of the Turkish coastal town of Fatsa and 350 km east-southeast of Feodosiya, Ukraine. Ukraine admitted that the disaster was probably caused by an errant missile fired by its armed forces

is "developing" news appropriate? (-1, Offtopic)

jehan60188 (2535020) | about two weeks ago | (#47476309)

since when is slashdot about posting breaking headlines?
i thought this was news for nerds, stuff that matters. Not speculative, sensational headlines.

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