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Verizon's Offer: Let Us Track You, Get Free Stuff

samzenpus posted about 5 months ago | from the do-your-worst dept.

Verizon 75

mpicpp points out a new program from Verizon that is perfect if you don't mind being tracked. Are you comfortable having your location and Web browsing tracked for marketing purposes? If so, Verizon's got a deal for you. The wireless giant announced a new program this week called 'Smart Rewards' that offers customers credit card-style perks like discounts for shopping, travel and dining. You accrue points through the program by doing things like signing onto the Verizon website, paying your bill online and participating in the company's trade-in program. Verizon emphasizes that the data it collects is anonymized before it's shared with third parties. The program is novel in that offers Verizon users some compensation for the collection of their data, which has become big business for telecom and tech companies. Some privacy advocates have pushed data-collecting companies to reward customers for their personal information in the interest of transparency.

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So It's Come to This (5, Funny)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 5 months ago | (#47519683)

It sounds like the Google business plan being explained to me like I was five-years-old.

Re:So It's Come to This (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519895)

Where are your parents?

Re:So It's Come to This (1)

Cryacin (657549) | about 5 months ago | (#47520495)

I really don't care if they track my device but give me free stuff. My hamster has nothing to hide.

Re:So It's Come to This (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about 5 months ago | (#47520821)

I really don't care if they track my device but give me free stuff. My hamster has nothing to hide.

Sure, that's fine until GPS is refined enough to determine if it is in fact an ass hamster... if so, then your advertising content is going to undergo a transformation. Also, PETA may call... The "ethical treatment of animals" ones, not the "eating tasty animals" ones... hamsters are not considered tasty... ass hamsters even less so... NOT saying yours is in fact an ass hamster... but is his phone on vibrate?

Re:So It's Come to This (1)

flyneye (84093) | about 5 months ago | (#47521421)

They can keep their bullshit debit card, I want a blowjob from time to time if they want to track me. It seems that I have the merchandise, therefore I get to set the price and reject their offer. Tracking= 1 blowjob a week; firm, take it or leave it. No negotiation.

Re: So It's Come to This (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47521605)

Pathetic

Re: So It's Come to This (1)

flyneye (84093) | about 5 months ago | (#47529733)

Yeah, think so? This highlights the value of privacy and places an appropriate cost on it for me. If you want my details bad enough to meet the value of my privacy, you will give up some dignity, do a good job and swallow, once a week for as long as you sell MY details. No negotiation, this is final. Don't like it? Don't use my details.

Re: So It's Come to This (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520729)

Probably getting it on. Dad's putting his big dick in momma's wet cunt and pounding her while she screams his name. And then he blows his warm load all over her face and she licks it up and begs for more. And then you walk in and ask what they are doing, and daddy says mommy just finished eating a glazed donut.

Re:So It's Come to This (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519943)

Except it isn't Google's business plan. Google sells advertising targeting to ad companies. Verizon is selling your data to data mining companies. Google would never sell your data because it's their core business to be the keepers of that data so they can sell targeted ads. Not that Google is altruistic, just that they are themselves the data miners so they are not going to share.

Google offers free services to compensate. Services people tend to find pretty valuable such as Android, Gmail and Search.

Verizon is going to offer "discounts for shopping, travel and dining" read: coupons (ie more advertising).
Verizon is going to "anonymize" your data and sell it to anyone and everyone willing to pay.

I see the exchange of value in one business plan, and not the other.

Google Points? Verizon Points? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520433)

I can get free email anywhere and all web searching is free.

Google, however, doesn't give me a free dinner in return for them getting information about me and what I do.

Where are my "Google Points" that I can redeem for anything that I want?
Including if I choose not to use their other "free" services?

Google's free services have that value - $0 - to me because I can get them anywhere else for the same price.
Verizon's free services that they get to track me give me discounts on real money things.

I know which one of those two has value and which one does not.

Re:So It's Come to This (1)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about 5 months ago | (#47521125)

I see the exchange of value in one business plan, and not the other.

And there's another big difference. Google gives you services for free (which many people find useful) in exchange for exploiting your info. Verizon is going to give you discounts for third party services that will still cost money in exchange for exploiting your info while overcharging you money for using their services.

Re:So It's Come to This (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47521593)

Is this a Googler posting?

The reason I ask is that Google's services that it provides for free have a value of, yes, nothing.
Gmail? A free service that competes with other free services like hotmail. Value of internet based webmail? $0
Search? A free service that competes with other free searches like bing. Value of internet based search? $0

Android? I don't get that for free. I buy that with my phone/tablet. Anyone that thinks Android is free is kidding themselves.

Google's free services have no intrinsic value or else Google could charge for them.

Verizon is offering cash in return for your data, something Google does not ever offer you. Google just offers you free services in order for them to keep making money off of you. Verizon's gives you back something that has real value when it comes to "shopping."

Let me know when Google offers me coupons that work at Safeway in lieu of free gmail in return for search.

Re:So It's Come to This (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 5 months ago | (#47522049)

Except it isn't Google's business plan. Google sells advertising targeting to ad companies. Verizon is selling your data to data mining companies. Google would never sell your data because it's their core business to be the keepers of that data so they can sell targeted ads. Not that Google is altruistic, just that they are themselves the data miners so they are not going to share.

Google offers free services to compensate. Services people tend to find pretty valuable such as Android, Gmail and Search.

Verizon is going to offer "discounts for shopping, travel and dining" read: coupons (ie more advertising). Verizon is going to "anonymize" your data and sell it to anyone and everyone willing to pay.

I see the exchange of value in one business plan, and not the other.

Verizon is offering more than just the points. Your asymmetrical FIOS connection gets upgraded to symmetrical based on your download speed if you sign up. My 150/65 got upgraded to 150/150 and speedtest.net shows it is actually hitting 152/164 consistently. I'll take it, especially considering they could probably have sold the data with no compensation.

Re:So It's Come to This (1)

Curunir_wolf (588405) | about 5 months ago | (#47523405)

Except it isn't Google's business plan. Google sells advertising targeting to ad companies. Verizon is selling your data to data mining companies. Google would never sell your data because it's their core business to be the keepers of that data so they can sell targeted ads. Not that Google is altruistic, just that they are themselves the data miners so they are not going to share.

Google offers free services to compensate. Services people tend to find pretty valuable such as Android, Gmail and Search.

Verizon is going to offer "discounts for shopping, travel and dining" read: coupons (ie more advertising). Verizon is going to "anonymize" your data and sell it to anyone and everyone willing to pay.

I see the exchange of value in one business plan, and not the other.

Verizon is offering more than just the points. Your asymmetrical FIOS connection gets upgraded to symmetrical based on your download speed if you sign up. My 150/65 got upgraded to 150/150 and speedtest.net shows it is actually hitting 152/164 consistently. I'll take it, especially considering they could probably have sold the data with no compensation.

Yes, I took it, too. I read all through their terms-of-service fine print, too, and there is nothing there granting them any access to, or additional rights to use, any data or tracking information about me. That is, there was no change in privacy policy stuff for signing up for the Rewards+ program. So whatever data they are selling, they are not collecting / selling more of it than they were before.

I suspect that what they are selling is eyeballs to advertisers or merchants that want access to Verizon's customers. And you get "points" for actually becoming a patron with one of their partners / advertisers.

NSA and FBI and local cops already do (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 5 months ago | (#47519709)

There are specific holes designed into all iPhones and iPads that show up in iOS allowing them to bypass any locking.

They're not "published" per se, but they're there and many suppliers of law enforcement software provide them, which work either over wireless or the data/power connection ports.

What warrants? They're already quartering troops in your pocket and purse.

I mention the iPhone and iPad angle, since more than 60 percent of all adult US citizens use those. You'd think Droids would be more popular, but that's not showing up in the government metrics.

Nice that Verison informs people about it. (1)

ron_ivi (607351) | about 5 months ago | (#47519741)

This way people will be much more aware of the kind of tracking possible (merging of locations from the phone ; with interestests from what websites you browser; with associates that you call).

I can see a new service coming up similar to a Taxi for your phone..... have someone drive your phone to where you're supposed to be, while you go to where you want to be. And perhaps they can loan you a loaner phone and forward the calls to it.

Re:Nice that Verison informs people about it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520005)

Even better- write an app that fakes locations and journeys to those places with the highest rewards.
Then
1. Collect swag/dumb stuff
2. sell it on line for real value
3. sell off the business after a few months/years
4. laugh all the way to bank/grave/wherever makes you happy.

NSA and FBI and local cops already do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519859)

And yet people keep going on over a false sense of security when it comes to Assholes products.

""Some privacy advocates have pushed data-collecting companies to reward customers for their personal information in the interest of transparency."" I find this to be more bothersome, that privacy advocates are trying to get companies to give incentives.

Considering how much money all parties involved make which is clearly in the millions if not billions people should be getting paid a generous amount for their privacy being invaded then sold off.

If I did this to someone I would be in prison. I think its time to start using the defunct CFAA on companies that are clearly violating every part of this very law. It only shows me politicians and prosecutors are bough and paid for, in order to ignore the laws/rules that would land me or you easily behind bars.

Re:NSA and FBI and local cops already do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519993)

Wow, conspiracy nut..... whats next, the pin prick they give each child at birth for blood typing etc is actually inserting a miniature tracing beacon.

Re:NSA and FBI and local cops already do (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520171)

Who told you about that?!

Re:NSA and FBI and local cops already do (4, Funny)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 5 months ago | (#47520215)

Wow, conspiracy nut..... whats next, the pin prick they give each child at birth for blood typing etc is actually inserting a miniature tracing beacon.

They start even sooner than that. Those sonograms expectant mothers get are actually hypnotoc coded instructions to the fetus that will turn them into jack booted thugs when they hear the keyword "Limbaugh" pronounced backwards. Then the Illuminati and Beyonce will implement the final portions of the new world order.

The clue is in the rainbows we can now see because of the essential fluid weakening chemicals and flourine they have been putting in our water.

Here is the incontrovertble proof. Stop those damn liberals NOW!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Wake UP America!!

Re:NSA and FBI and local cops already do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520923)

They start even sooner than that! They want to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids [youtube.com] !

Re:NSA and FBI and local cops already do (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 5 months ago | (#47522075)

They start even sooner than that! They want to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids [youtube.com] !

I have a lady friend in charge of that.

Awesome Strangelove tie in!

Re:NSA and FBI and local cops already do (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520359)

Wow, conspiracy nut

What he's saying is not in any way unrealistic, especially (and even far before for those who were paying attention) after the Snowden leaks. The notion that backdoors could be inserted into code that you can't even look at at the request of a government that has shown it does not care about the constitution or people's rights is completely, absolutely realistic.

then it aint free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519713)

simple as that

Re:then it aint free (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47521111)

Actually it is. If you opt in, you get stuff and they sell your data. If you don't opt in, they sell your data. There is no additional cost to get stuff, hence it's free.

The saddest part (1)

MikeRT (947531) | about 5 months ago | (#47519727)

Is that Verizon probably knows there's a market for this from market research...

After what's come out about corporations having to feed the surveillance beast, anyone who opts in should be subjected to having their house and cars wiretapped in perpetuity by the NSA with a direct feed to the FBI as the price for their nonchalance toward surveillance.

Re:The saddest part (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520057)

Verizon conveniently opts you in.

Re:The saddest part (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520675)

It's called being Optimus Primed, they optimize their bank accounts while priming us to become slaves to the system, it's win-win, well for them at least. I could have made it really dirty when it came to being primed, but I'll behave.

Re:The saddest part (1)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about 5 months ago | (#47521129)

After what's come out about corporations having to feed the surveillance beast, anyone who opts in should be subjected to having their house and cars wiretapped in perpetuity by the NSA with a direct feed to the FBI as the price for their nonchalance toward surveillance.

This is already a service being provided to everyone, no need to opt-in. Plus, we only have to pay the subscription fee once a year on April 15.

So, like all other rewards programmes? (3, Interesting)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 5 months ago | (#47519753)

In New Zealand we've got Flybuys.
For a retailer to be part of the programme, their POS system needs to send every item on your receipt to Flybuys. They don't just get "customer A spent $X at retailer Y". They get each product you bought, how much you paid for it, if it was on sale and what the payment method was.

It lets them do things like see the last time you bought a pregnancy test and a few months later, start putting specials for baby products in the next email you get sent by them on behalf of your local supermarket. Or if you buy a particular brand of razor, they might tell you about specials for blade refills.

In exchange for all that information, you get to spend reward points on selected products.

Re:So, like all other rewards programmes? (4, Insightful)

postbigbang (761081) | about 5 months ago | (#47520055)

Your dignity sold. What every ad man wants. Everyone has their price, and the price is frighteningly small.

Verizon already gets LBS, GPS, WiFi, and other info from most phones unless users go to fiendish depth with Snoopwall and other products to stanch the data flow. I'm wondering WHY they're asking for permission. Seems ludicrous to do so when everyone's already giving it up for free. Making it legit?

Legit like net neutrality? Legit like stonewalling their clientele? Doesn't make sense.

Re:So, like all other rewards programmes? (2)

evilviper (135110) | about 5 months ago | (#47520833)

I'm wondering WHY they're asking for permission. Seems ludicrous to do so when everyone's already giving it up for free. Making it legit?

They're collecting all that information, but they have to keep it under wraps. They have to get permission, like this, to be able to release (sell) all your vital information to 3rd parties.

The public and our representatives don't care about privacy, much. But after the free-for-all is on for a while, one case will break-through in the media... Something about a violent criminal buying the information from Verizon, using it to figure out exactly when little Jill comes home from school every day, and how long she's there by herself before her parents get home. When cases like that get publicized, then in a sudden tidal wave of popular think-of-the-children support, we get a bunch of privacy laws passed.

Re:So, like all other rewards programmes? (2)

Krishnoid (984597) | about 5 months ago | (#47520439)

It lets them do things like see the last time you bought a pregnancy test and a few months later, start putting specials for baby products in the next email you get sent by them on behalf of your local supermarket.

Amateurs. [forbes.com]

Re:So, like all other rewards programmes? (1)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 5 months ago | (#47520475)

I heard about that

Except Target is only Target.
Flybuys is in one store in pretty much every market, from food, petrol, appliances, banking, insurance, DIY, ISP's, travel and accomodation.

Imagine what you could do with all that data...

This is old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519763)

I've been getting snail mail about this for months now. Nothing like junk mail...

Re:This is old news (1)

Z00L00K (682162) | about 5 months ago | (#47520799)

At least snail mail can serve as fuel for heating during the long winter nights.

Loyalty card (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519779)

So its just like every other loyalty card?

Allow us to track you... (1)

MrKaos (858439) | about 5 months ago | (#47519783)

and get Free dumb.

For everyone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519809)

so, free stuff for everyone then.

It's like a family member that beats you every day asks,
"Good news! You get some free stuff if you let me beat you."

Words changing meaning (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519825)

The setting: A kitchen, circa 2070. A woman is preparing the evening meal. Two children enter.

Child 1: Tommy called me a dirty word!

Mother: What did he call you.

Child 1: I... I... don't want to say it.

Mother: It's OK. Whisper it in my ear. (she bends down).

Child 1: (whispering) "smart".

Mother: (Face red, glares at Child 2). Did you really say that?

Child 2: (face down, says nothing).

Mother: I know that look. Go to your room. You're eating alone tonight, and NO DESERT.

Child 1: You're lucky. Jane said that in church and the father made her say 50 Fuck Mary's and a Hell Jesus.

Repost (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519841)

Old news

Hahaha! No. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519843)

Really?

Continuing a trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47519863)

I already pass on the gasoline discount at my grocery store and the affinity discount at the pet food shop. I can treat Verizon the same way (except I already don't let them near my television, computer, phone, or life).

Let me get this straight... (5, Insightful)

newcastlejon (1483695) | about 5 months ago | (#47519891)

They're offering me discounts on stuff I probably don't need if I make it easier for people to try and sell me shit I don't want?
Anonymised? Pull the other one.

Re:Let me get this straight... (3, Funny)

nukenerd (172703) | about 5 months ago | (#47521221)

They're offering me discounts on stuff I probably don't need

My daughter (aged 10 at the time) filled in a paper-based marketing survey on the promise that you would get rewarded with 1000 GBP (but I'll use $$) in vouchers. Seemed too good to be true, but they were true to their word! A thick wad of vouchers came. The vouchers were something like :

.. $100 off a new Rolls Royce
.. $100 off a new house
.. $50 off recarpeting my whole house
.. $50 off having a swimming pool installed
...$50 off a world cruise
.. $5 off some hotel in Singapore
.. $5 off at some restaurant in the North of Scotland
.. $1 off beauty treatment at some place in Northern Ireland
.. $1 off a life subscription to a church magazine
.. One penny off budgerigar food
.. and so on

I had the last laugh though. Everything my daughter put down was a joke, like saying (in my name) I kept weasels (some people do). I got free copies of a quarterly Weasel magazine for the next two years

Just rebate my bill you fuckheads. (1)

gelfling (6534) | about 5 months ago | (#47519975)

I want money not your carney game bullshit. Money.

They were probably doing it anyay (2)

hacker (14635) | about 5 months ago | (#47520003)

(posting from my uber-low ID)

They were probably doing it anyway, and now want everyone to opt-in, so they can cover their arses before they got caught for tracking everyone without their consent.

Re:They were probably doing it anyay (1)

dltaylor (7510) | about 5 months ago | (#47520177)

It's not illegal, except, maybe, in California, and not tested all the way up there, AFAIK.

It's sleazy, but Verizon is a US telecom provider, so that is almost (exception , anyone?) a given.

Thanks, but no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520149)

This is getting ridiculous.

Too Good To Be True (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520183)

Hay Verizon !

Count me in dudes.

I'll butt fuck the CEO and CFO wives and daughters 10 times a week each.

Just provide a suite and booze at the Hilton too ass wipes.

NetZero? (2)

certain death (947081) | about 5 months ago | (#47520331)

Should Verizon change their name? NetZero did this back in the day, but with far less technology or "Big Data".

Charging extra if you don't drink the Kool-Aide (3, Interesting)

Moof123 (1292134) | about 5 months ago | (#47520385)

Just saying...

Verizon customers are screwed (1)

Required Snark (1702878) | about 5 months ago | (#47520419)

Not matter what they claim, they will be tracking everyone, whether they sign up or not. I'm sure they already have some slimy lawyer bullshit in the existing terms of service that they can use to justify the practice.

It's not like users will ever know what they are doing. It could be going on right now and no one would be the wiser. Maybe the are rolling this out now because they have been keeping (and possibly using) this data, and they figure that pretending that there is an option available will give them plausible denyability. It would be consistent with their otther behavior.

The (pretend) government oversight agencies are a pathetic joke. The recent "net neutrality" clusterfuck shows that they don't even have to pretend that customers are stake holders or have any say in the matter. The FCC is now a fully owned subsidiary of the telecom industry. The only open question is how the monopolistic spoils are going to be divided. It's no different then gangs controlling their turf so they get all the profit from the various rackets that they run.

So what are you going to do, switch to TimeWarner or Comcast? The difference is the same as paying protection money to the Mafia, the Bloods, or the Crips or ...

Nothing to see here, move along. No capitalism, no democracy, no competition.

Re:Verizon customers are screwed (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47520469)

Yep. They are. They will be tracked. I will eventually be helping Verizon do this. I tried to be part of the solution to ending NSA / government surveillance, but I've come to understand that the people love their holy wars, violence, and most of all... their oil (even if they call it something else... all modern energy is derived from this, so broad category).

I'm not going to continue putting myself at risk for future generations that obviously don't give a shit about what freedom means. I will live out the rest of my life in comfort while you face total tyranny. I tried. Hope you have some semblance of respect for my efforts. Freedom still remains an intriguing idea none the less.

Re:Verizon customers are screwed (2)

NoKaOi (1415755) | about 5 months ago | (#47521145)

I think you're missing the point. It's not that this gives them permission to track you, like you said that's probably already in your service contract. The point is that it gives explicit permission to sell that data to somebody else, thus legitimizing it and making it more valuable by decreasing legal and PR risk.

Voluntary choice (1)

kajla00007 (3757539) | about 5 months ago | (#47520767)

It seem like a good business idea to me. Moreover, they are keeping your identity hidden and and it's a voluntary service.

Verizon, "Let Us Track You, Get Free Stuff?" No... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47521023)

No....

Greekgeek :-)

Pass (1)

Vermonter (2683811) | about 5 months ago | (#47521637)

Let me know when I can get a discount in my service. I might let Verizon track me if it meant a direct discount. Until then, I'll pass.

Re:Pass (1)

BUL2294 (1081735) | about 5 months ago | (#47522283)

Save money on Verizon or save money on things marketers want you to buy? What's the difference--if you're still saving $$$?

Imagine a brave new world where you walk into a Whole Foods and the "VZWAds" app pops-up a coupon for $0.50 off a $4.99 gallon of "365" brand milk, $0.30 off some couscous, and $1 off the pre-made food bar (minimum $15 purchase) for lunch? You needed milk, have no idea how to cook couscous, and you were getting hungry for lunch--but $15 worth of pre-made food is a lot, even at Whole Foods... After using that coupon, and scarfing down your huge lunch, you get another popup that gives you $0.50 off a Starbucks "mocho-choco-latte-cremo-supremo" venti-sized drink--but, HURRY, only if you buy one within the next 30 minutes at the Starbucks right next to Whole Foods! You've never had that type of drink, but the discounted price makes it worth trying! Then, the cloud concludes that you're probably low on cat food, since you last bought 36 cans a few weeks ago, so the app pops up yet another $0.50 coupon, this time for cat food at PetSmart! And all of these places are in the same strip mall...

Just thing of the possibilities!

Re: Pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47523149)

I'm pretty sure if people don't harshly voice concerns against it, everything will be tied to either the retina, facial recognition, or finger print scan.

You walk into the store and are instantly recognized, either as you walk around the store the stuff you fit the demographic for will light up and perhaps video ads run personalized to you.

OR, a smart robot comes up to you when you enter the store with coupons and ads for stuff you'd likely be interested in.

It's going to be the worst for pregnant women (although based off of the targeting and tracking done by Target, it already is).

I adamantly refuse to use any loyalty cards or anything where the sole purpose is basically to track my buying habits, etc. Call me old-fashioned but if I want something I'll buy it, if not, eff off.

Anyway, I hope people DONT want a future like that and I hope people boycott this stuff in the future or it really will be too late eventually.

Those of you whos mom or wife (1)

Stan92057 (737634) | about 5 months ago | (#47521659)

Those of you whos mom or wife does your groceries shopping, This is nothing new but expected. Everyone fills out a shopper card it would be stupid not too if you didn't grow up with the silver spoon. So after all theses years of collecting data on what people buy what has it done for the stores except for product placement>

Well, that sounds fair (1)

sabbede (2678435) | about 5 months ago | (#47521675)

Though perhaps it would be more fair if, in exchange for being allowed to sell data about you, Verizon provided your cell service for free. Or at least reduced so that FinalBill = BaseFee - ValueOfYourData

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1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

---

* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] )

Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

APK

P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

...apk

Re: No Thanks, & took care of that myself... a (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47523179)

APK and his hosts file is the real deal gentlemen. I've been using it for 30 days and I already have more sex, a bigger dick, and I'm beginning to show signs of 6-pack abs!

Have you done better than apk did? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47524755)

Show us you have. Prove apk's points wrong too. You're an advertiser shill/troll and you can't.

Optional (1)

sociocapitalist (2471722) | about 5 months ago | (#47522125)

At least it's still opt-in which is better than a site that states 'Use of this site implies acceptance of our policy' and your only choice is to use the site or not.

And before you reply 'Just don't use the site' that isn't always an option - i.e. sites that are needed to support one's work.

This is discrimination, per the dictionary. (1)

tollrunner (3750221) | about 5 months ago | (#47522319)

Do not forget PRISM and your CLUE score. Being forced to submit to tracking or be treated differently with "discounts" and "free stuff". discrimination: a distinction, as in treatment; esp.Ã, an unfair or injurious distinction. specif.Ã, arbitrary imposition of unequal tariffs for substantially the same service; a difference in treatment made between persons, localities, or classes of traffic, in respect to substantially the same service. A difference in rates, not based upon any corresponding difference in cost, constitutes a case of discrimination. A. T. Hadley.

sudo vi /etc/hosts (1)

mrflash818 (226638) | about 5 months ago | (#47522891)

sudo vi /etc/hosts

127.0.0.1 <tab> verizon.com

:w
:q

This just *might* interest you also (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47524873)

For your Windows machines (build it there, use in *NIX too) http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

* :)

(It's a "little less radical" than YOURS is, that is for sure... lol!)

APK

P.S.=> However - it IS "radical enough" to shear off BOTH IP Address based tracking (firewall rule table for /. & other sites also vs. trackers of that type) & Host-Domain Name "meson shear" (lol) vs. that type of tracker (as well as other bandwidth hogs stealing your speed YOU PAID FOR, & security threats in adbanners) giving you more:

1.) Speed (Adbanners blocked + your favorite sites hardcoded for local in RAM speed of resolution & reliability vs. remote DNS servers & their Kaminsky redirect poisoning flaws or being "downed" also)

2.) Security (vs. malicious threats of ALL TYPES including spam/phish/trackers + malware serving sites in script or executables, & MOST OF ALL the most advanced type of botnets in FastFlux + Dynamic DNS utilizing types),

3.) Reliability (vs. downed or redirect poisoned DNS servers)

4.) Anonymity (vs. DNSBL or dns request logs)

Enjoy: It's 100% free, no strings attached (like tracking), & recommended as "best of breed" by Malwarebytes' hpHosts site @ the top of their page -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... [hosts-file.net] who also verified it as 100% safe & clean of threats of any kind...

... apk

One day (1)

sjames (1099) | about 5 months ago | (#47523333)

One fine day, perhaps years from now, there'll be a screwup in the rewards program. We'll have a bunch of seals and sea lions getting great deals when they go shopping and a bunch of Verizon customers getting dead fish in the mail.

Why Not? (1)

allquixotic (1659805) | about 5 months ago | (#47523349)

I'm a Verizon Wireless customer, and I'm probably going to sign up for this. Why? Because I very strongly suspect that, even if I choose to "opt out", they are still going to harvest the same data, or very close to the same type of data, and use it for marketing purposes. So now that they've graciously offered to provide me some financial incentive for it, I'm likely to eat it up. I will make a point not to go out of my way to do things I wouldn't normally do, or buy things I don't really need, but if a coupon or discount code comes up for something that I need anyway, that's money in my pocket.

This is a rather interesting business model that has only been exploited a few times thus far. I remember getting in-game credit (which is basically cash, since you'd have to pay money for that credit otherwise) in Star Trek Online by taking surveys. Most of the surveys wanted personal info. If it got TOO personal, I closed the survey. That excluded me from some "high-value" surveys, obviously, but a few were fairly benign or just wanted me to click through and read some webpages, and I got compensated in return.

When you think about it, the vast majority of advertising and market research trades privacy for a direct service. For instance, Google advertisements trade some privacy for the service of having free email with a ton of storage, and the best search engine in the world. But this new Verizon campaign is more or less trading privacy ... for money. Money in the consumer's pocket. That's pretty new to me.

I guess I don't have a real beef with my "privacy" being "invaded" as long as the data doesn't wind up singling me out as an individual. If they just want to observe trends, then whatever -- go for it. If I start getting an elevated level of text messages, pop-ups on my phone, knocks on the door, phone calls or emails with solicitations that I did not request, then I will fight that tooth and nail until the people doing it are class-actioned out of business.

Misleading Article (1)

kelemvor4 (1980226) | about 5 months ago | (#47523831)

It does sound kind of lame if you read the article. Fortunately for me, I'm a customer who read the offer and took it. You don't just get membership in yet another rewards program. Your internet service gets upgraded to symmetrical at no additional charge if you sign up.

I went from 150/65 to 150/150 instantly. It tests on speedtest.net as 152/164. I'd say that's a pretty solid "payment" for joining. Better than I have ever seen from any other rewards program.

No Thanks, & took care of that myself... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 5 months ago | (#47524715)

Two ways (firewall vs. IP based trackers -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org] ) & of course, this program by "yours truly", gratis, vs. host-domain name based trackers:

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

(Details of benefits in link)

Summary:

---

A.) Hosts do more than:

1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default)
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse"
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome redirects on sites, /. beta as an example).

C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less added "moving parts" complexity/room 4 breakdown,

D.) Hosts files yield more:

1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs Fastflux + dynamic dns botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

---

* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in message passing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray is destroying Adblock.

* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption too + hugely excessive cpu use (4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] )

Work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts files (An integrated part of the ip stack)

APK

P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

...apk

This is Slashdot (1)

Theodore Wirth (3040559) | about 5 months ago | (#47525969)

home to enlightened techies. That said, this knowledgeable tech consumer says feck Verizon and the baby bell that they rode in on.
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