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Australian Government Moving Forward With Anti-Piracy Mandate For ISPs

timothy posted about 4 months ago | from the sniff-it-sniff-all-of-it dept.

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angry tapir (1463043) writes Australia is moving closer to a regime under which ISPs will be forced to block access to websites whose "dominant purpose" is to facilitate copyright violations. A secret government discussion paper (PDF) has been leaked and proposes a system of website blocking and expanded liability for ISPs when it comes to "reasonable steps that can be taken ... to discourage or reduce online copyright infringement."

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Australia Deserves it. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536895)

Spineless citizenry deserves an oppressive government. Don't worry they'll keep you safe in your digital cage.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (5, Funny)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 4 months ago | (#47536937)

Good thing the government took their guns away first.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536991)

Good point. In the US, Republicans use any excuse to start murdering people. Streets flooded with guns is the reason that country is such a dangerous place to live. The Republicans that rule there love violence, especially when it is minority on minority. That is why they give so many guns to blacks.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537025)

You're confused, it is Progressives that love the violence. It gives them an excuse to call for more state intervention and programs, and less freedom. Why do you think they put programs in place to break up minority families?

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

Wootery (1087023) | about 4 months ago | (#47537425)

Why do you think they put programs in place to break up minority families?

What?

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 4 months ago | (#47537553)

I read a lot of right-wing websites, and yet I still can't figure out what he means. Some sort of criticism of social security, I would guess.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47539357)

Read my comment above. Stop acting like you don't understand what's going on in this country. You must be white, and probably republican.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47539345)

It's simple. Breaking apart the family unit is what causes a lot of the adult misbahavior. If that's not true, then why do the whites complain about the Jews doing this to "our country"?

The comment makes perfect sense.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47539571)

Oops. This was obviously meant for the comments beneath me :/

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537671)

What cartoon are you from? One with some parallel universe? Sounds like you live in T.V. Land.( probably Australia, where they obviously believe any crap fed them on the tube)

Re:Australia Deserves it. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537051)

Good thing the government took their guns away first

Like all the gun-totin' cowboys in the US of A have made a difference.

Your corporates have stolen your economic future and sold it to themselves, your governement is all over you like a rash, your brothers, sisters, sons and daughters are sent to fake wars just to siphon a few trillion taxpayer dollars to corrupt military contractors, Every so-called security agency spies and blackmails you NSA, FBI, TSA, Police, Whatever, they're all out of your control. Lobbyists buy politicians to bring in SOPA/CISPA or whatever you're calling it this month etc etc,..

...and how many shots have you fired to defend your liberty?

Thing is, all you chubby gun nuts spouting the second amendment and claiming you needed automatic weapons to protect yourselves from government abuses have just proved you're all intestine and no fortitude.

Weak.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537083)

Is what your smoking for sale?

Or are you just mainlining the fevered bollocks from the local Leftist wanker's weekly while wearing an asshat that is too tight? .

Re:Australia Deserves it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537109)

They should change your handle from "Anonymous Coward" to "Typical American Gun Nut", 'cos it's basically the same thing.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537217)

And that would leave you as a fevered (anti-gun) nutter.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537525)

And that would leave you as a fevered (anti-gun) nutter.

So?

Every morning I can look myself in the mirror and say "At least I'm not as hypocritical and cowardly as those American 2nd amendment gun nuts". It's surprisingly comforting.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537669)

Agreed,
Nothing says "man am i stupid" like walking into target with a gun. I know last time i was in target it was just full of "terrorists" and the gun nuts sure made me feel safe.
Actually, on second thought they made me worry, how many "accidental gun deaths" happen each year? Not sure why some feel a need to show their "2nd amendment" rights in a family store. Even other Americans don't want you doing it and they have started collecting petitions, but of course "your dead son doesnt trump my 2nd amendment rights".

GUN NUTS
Please list an actual incident of "good guy with gun saves the day" vs headlines like "Family mourns man killed while trying to stop shooting spree"
Bonus points if you can give an example of your ilk "raising up against an unjust government".

Re: Australia Deserves it. (3, Informative)

rfuilrez (1213562) | about 4 months ago | (#47537757)

http://mobile.philly.com/news/... [philly.com]

Here ya go. Happened a couple days ago. Patiant came into a hospital and started shooting. It was a gun-free zone but one of the doctors had his gun anyway and killed the guy.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki... [wikipedia.org]

And also there you go. A group of people stood up against a branch of the federal government for something they believe in. No shots were fired, but they were prepared to. The BLM backed off.

Obviously these aren't the only ones. But they should satisfy your criteria.

Re: Australia Deserves it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47538335)

Nice.
Example one involves people breaking the rules/law (gun free zone but he had his gun anyway because the rules clearly didn't apply to him). It also shows how effective "gun control" is when the convicted felon just went to another state and got his gun? Good thing they did the background checks?

Example two is a guy who was ordered to remove has cattle because he didn't pay his fees. They opted to release the cattle rather then an armed standoff so this is a "win" for gun nuts?
What did they "believe in"? Grazing their cattle on government land without the appropriate approvals which he probably declined when he didnt want to pay?

Re: Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47540023)

So even doctors in a hospital need to be armed to defend patients. What a fucked up society you've become.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537241)

What he tried to explain, and allow me to drive it home bluntly so it gets through some thick skulls: A right is pointless if you neither exercise it nor defend it. A right is never self serving. And whether you have it or not is not even being tested until you try to exercise it.

Essentially you can have any right, as long as you don't test it, you don't even know whether you'll really have it or not. Take the 3rd. Yes, the 3rd amendment. You know, the one where you needn't house soldiers. It's a bit silly today, ain't it? I mean, let's be reasonable here, if the country can't house its soldiers anymore... but let's take it as an example since it's one of the amendment nobody really gives a shit about anymore. As much as the Quartering Act (where the Brits forced the colonies to house soldiers whenever they pleased) was one of the reasons for the rebellion, there really is not any use for that particular amendment anymore.

But do you know whether it really applies? Or are there just no soldiers kicking you out of their bed and proclaiming it theirs 'cause the state currently has enough barracks? Sure, it's not the best example considering how easily the state could avoid infringing in this constitutional law, all it takes is build some kind of shelter for its soldiers.

But let's take a step back and look at the second. Do you have it? Or do you have it as long as you're not really a nuisance, much akin to the first where you're allowed to practice your free speech today mostly where you cannot be heard? The funny (or not so funny) thing is that the first WAS tested. And now we have "free speech zones".

I guess should anyone ever test the second, we'll get "free shooting zones".

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537371)

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

So, it's okay in time of war as long as it's in a manner prescribed by law?

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

Wootery (1087023) | about 4 months ago | (#47537437)

I think the idea is to make it clear the military doesn't get to just run amok and do as they please.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537607)

By "run amok" are you thinking about things like the My Lai Massacre?

Nothing says "we are hear to help" like raping women and murdering babies.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537565)

Considering we're currently pretty much constantly at war, it should be trivial to get around that amendment.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

flyneye (84093) | about 4 months ago | (#47537747)

Yeah, the war powers act has been in constant effect since Korea, since we never actually have NOT been at war with them since the 50s. No treaty has ever been signed. The government uses THIS to justify any and all things unconstitutional, like homeland security, spying on the people, or anything else that has made you say; "how can they do that?", since then. Now you know.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (2)

flyneye (84093) | about 4 months ago | (#47537739)

A right would be pointless if there were never an occasion to use it. So far the existence of the right has made an environment where its exercise has not yet been necessary.It serves the people well.

The 3rd is reflective of the times during the Revolutionary War in which the Kings troops were billeted in houses of common people who were forced to feed and shelter their oppressors. This of course will also apply to domestic troops, police, NSA, or anyone in government. It was a concern once, who is to say it couldn't be in the future as well. Like I say, the right creates an environment.

I personally like living in a place where I can say what I choose, right or wrong, to anyone, anytime without fear of repercussions based on their office, class, religion, ethnicity and if there is; I can sue the pants off them in court and make a public spectacle of them. I notice this right gets plenty of exercise.

Open carry of weapons has always been around, but seldom used. Rural places have farmers that will carry a pistol on their hip, now and then,(like an old uncle or two of mine, and my grandfather as well) to ward off rattlesnakes, skunks, badgers or the neighbors illegal Mexican farmhands burgling outbuildings, neighbors dog raiding the chickenhouse,( all of which actually occurred) etc. I can recall seeing one walk into the bank to do business, without raising anyones eyebrows, with a revolver on his hip. Today, with concealed carry and the training that accompanies it, I hear many MORE tales of those defending their selves, family and property, successfully. Occasionally I will hear of misadventures, but then, if you license a nation to drive, you will occasionally have collisions, so what?

If you actually use logic on the situation, the nuts are those who would deny people the right to defend themselves and their families. There is NO defense for this stance that doesn't arise from selfish fear placed in their heads by the ignorant. The state is incapable of providing police protection around the clock to everyone. Notice the police show up AFTER a crime has been commited, not before. Guns are an important part of a life in pursuit of happiness like a set of wrenches is an important part of doing maintenance on your car. Further, the intention of the right exists, should the people ever need to take back control of their Constitutional government, no matter what government licensed lawyers my lie about. THAT, is the reason the issue gets ANY attention at all in D.C.

Re: Australia Deserves it. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537899)

Police tried showing up before the crime, but then slashdotters complained about "police state" and "thought crime". Also, what you're describing is called vigilantism.

Re: Australia Deserves it. (0)

sillybilly (668960) | about 4 months ago | (#47538157)

Thought crime? I just had a job where the military-maffiozos infected my gloves with some kind of fungus cancer to rot my hands down to showcase Obamacare and importance of health insurance, the new bio-implants and robotic, mind-controlled appendages. They have a big selection of IED amputees coming home from our stupid wars in the middle east, and they'd love to have ergonomic titanium limbs that work better than your arms. My hands hurt like a biatch, and I don't usually give a crap about carpal tunnel syndrome, but this was no carpal tunnel, because carpal tunnel hurts in specific ways, such as, if you shake your hands and the blood flow constriction temporarily releases, you feel a sudden warmth everywhere it was numbly tingling from oxygen degradation. This was localized to a specific area, it did not tingle/feel numb just hurt like something is digesting my meat, and in areas that were not overworked muscles - at the base of the ring finger for instance. I had to use a roach killer/bleach combo as a chemotherapy soak every time I woke up at night (boric acid plus sodium hypochlorite, gives a little perborate too, and perborate is devastating to almost all fungi, this includes most meat cancer - hey it's cheaper than a hospital chemo that makes your hair fall out, plus you don't even get it right away, first they take you to the nuthouse and hold you down and shoot you up for Haldol for hallucinating pain in your hand when they can't detect anything.) Also diaper rash ointment, 40% zinc oxide in vaseline, nonstop, all over my face that keeps getting infected by "coldsore virus herpes simples" fungi against which zinc oxide and other antifungals work great, every time I wake up something new on my face, like i get gassed with anesthetics while I'm sleeping, and that's why the floor behind my toilet is ripped up because I used to not predictably stay asleep, and that's my windows are so fucking small), and diaper rash ointment, all over my hands too. Sometimes I forgot to put it on my hands before I stuck it in the gloves (btw, they left some perfectly good but used gloves laying around, just in case they have to blame it on where I caught the infection from, it's from some other guy for whom it was a symbiotic fungus but it was infectious to me, or some explanation like that.) Zinc chloride is one of the most environmentally friendly wood preservatives against fungal attacks, invented around 1905, much better than the copper arsenate antifungals even as recently as 1990's that can kill a whole family with arsenic fumes if burnt in a wood stove. So zinc oxide, diaper rash ointment, is a meat fungus, meat cancer killer. You have to be careful when you kill off all fungi you become vulnerable to attack, as having a symbiotic resident fungi that protects you, as its turf from other fungi, protects you from catching cancer, and that's how cancer is not infectious, because most healthy people have good defensive fungi in them, even if these fungi rebel as pimples when hit with brominated vegetable oil in mountain dew, or dioxin from agent orange -like things, so antifungals should be used only when necessary, and then go lay on the ground in some public park to inhale/catch some healthy soil fungi.

Da Man, such as the Microsoft chiefs, and hospital chiefs, and even military chiefs, would love to entice my interest in mind control robotic appendages, as they are running out of good ways to make money, and they need something radical that improves lives, where you cut your good arms off to get titanium arms and legs that can lift 500-800 lbs compared to a mere 120 with your regular muscles. Imagine the awesome new breed of soldiers with tatoos, body piercings, blue punk mohawks, and titanium legs and arms who can jump unto the roof like a cat from standing still. And the most important part is mind control, and in that, mind reading, so that intellectual property rights can be properly policed. As in dude, I have the dumb today, cannot think, or more like cannot afford to think about anything, because the intellectual property royalty fees on all these thoughts are too expensive, and I'm fucking broke, and Da Man claimed intellectual property ownership to all possible thoughts in the world. Freedom of speech? Haha. How about freedom of thought, and keeping quiet about it. Enjoy it while you can because the days of freedom of thought are numbered. When they can read them. It starts with these fuckin mind control gaming devices, then mind control robotic arms and legs, then mind policing mandatory chip implants. The future is organic? Maybe not so sure. You are gonna be borg, half human, half machine, with a borg-like interconnected brain, and the megabrain will gradually be more and more silicon and less and less human, but that's ok, because this artificial intelligence thing is you, you are Da Megabrain machine eating up all silicon in the solar system, or more like you are a part of it. I say fuck Da Megabrain. Fuck Da Machine. Fuck Da Man and fuck mind control. In fact fuck Obamacare too while we're at it. Couple more days and I'm fully insurance free. In fact that's like my new motto - live insurance free or die. And fuck Monsanto too, and their bioengineered intellectual property crap. They claim intellectual property in a phosphorescing monkey that glows like a firefly at night. They can do that with the same technology that makes seeds roundup ready, in fact the monkey is roundup ready, and all the fish in the oceans, and all the humans are gonna have to be roundup ready, because the whole world is gonna be sprayed with roundup version 59.1.43-beta2, that kills every lifeform except roundup ready ones. And then they claim intellectual property in phosphorescing people. Why should you carry a flashlight in the dark when you can glow like a firefly? Or focus a beam out of your hand when you're looking into dark crevices while repairing your car. At will, turn it on and off with your mind. You think they are just gonna let phosphorescing color-of the rainbow chameleon skin camouflage people just be for free, without paying an intellectual property existence fee to Monsanto? Slavery is illegal, but slavery is only related to humans, and once we legally redefine what a human is, these artificial biotech phosphorescing titanium legged soldier grandchildren of yours are not gonna fall in that category in the eyes of the law. Monsanto's motto is that no food in the world shall be grown that we don't own, intellectually speaking. That's for now. The real goal is that there shall be no lifeform on the planet that we don't own, I mean there will be still some native white or black people, kept on some reservation, and because they are not roundup ready, their days are numbered when accidental releases get into the reservations and kill a bunch of them. You know what? Fuck Monsanto. Fuck technology.

I wanna keep my real fingers to jack off with. A super powerful titanium finger or tool like Jack the ripper had as a hook, metal fingers like that might crush my sensitive little dick in the heat of the moment. I love my short little stumpy fingers with the chewed nails on it just the way they are. How am I gonna bite my nails if they get replaced by titanium fingers? Or they're gonna create and add-on, an accessory that grows nail like things that are edible so you don't even have to spit it out? As long as the customer is willing to pay for it.

Re: Australia Deserves it. (0)

sillybilly (668960) | about 4 months ago | (#47538271)

And in the days of mandatory chip implants to police intellectual property violating thoughts, or at least measure the accruing royalty fees taxi-cab-meter-style, there will be no need for uttered words, because everyone will conversate telepathically, globally, through short-wave radio reflecting off the ionosphere. Only the Amish will retain spoken Dutch or English, dictionaries, regular muscle legs and arms, and horses and dogs. But they might succumb to some bioengineered cat-horse interbred hybrid contraption from Monsanto, that cleans up after itself and grooms itself, so you don't have to shovel the horseshit, the horse does it like a cat, and buries it somewhere, and grooms itself too.

Re: Australia Deserves it. (0)

sillybilly (668960) | about 4 months ago | (#47538435)

I'm I'm not buying no car insurance, health insurance, business insurance, life insurance, etc. Insurance is for retards who buy lottery tickets. It's a horrible gamble, the house always wins. In fact I'm gonna make a living like the stock brokers on wall street, become a professional gambler, let other people do the hard work, I derive my income from betting. And for that all you need to do is be lucky, as in be born in the correct "chosen" group of people who were born lucky and luck follows them around in life. In the stock market there is one rule: you agree that your investment is at risk and you could lose the whole thing. That's all the sharks need to figure out a way to get your money. You agreed. The house always wins, or the house does not exist. Ira, traditional and roth, and all that good stuff. 401K. Give it all to the sharks. Why should they have to do any work when they can have other people do the work and they can sit back and collect? That's what smart people do, right? They let other people do the work, and they "own" Da Game, and sit back in the armchair and collect. That's what we call an economy, but the whole thing falls apart when the ratio of actual middle class producers and creators to the upper class stock market sharks and lower class always dick and booty on the mind welfare free riding collectors gets too strained. And while we're at it, when I say "we" should build space stations, I don't mean "we" as in USA, because those days are over, Obama wants to cut what his thinks is this NASA bullshit of going to the stars budget completely, and instead give the money to more relevant, real life topic, such as all the welfare suckers fucking out of control and popping babies left and right, they have real life needs. I mean "we" as people, and most likely somebody like China or India will have the economic resources to put a space station up and have isolated life safe from biotech weapons killing everybody down here. See I don't care if I die, but knowing that somebody up there is safe from the Monsanto lab mad scientist devising glowing monkeys and biotech weapons that devour all life down here, that would make me sleep good at night, not so worried. And I don't really care if they are Chinese, as long as they are people, and hopefully they take a zoo up too, with plants and animals, because I know I don't live forever, but I'd like life from Earth to live, at least securely a little longer than a few more decades.

Re: Australia Deserves it. (0)

sillybilly (668960) | about 4 months ago | (#47539435)

As far as piracy and intellectual property goes, it simply shouldn't apply to some things, like prostitution material. Like this stuff (the traditional slashdot goatse warning, though this one is not may gale, but very feminine) http://www.xvideos.com/video13... [xvideos.com] . And that brings up the topic of same sex marriage. People are just too fucking horny. Traditionally marriage has been between a man and a woman, and the bible prescribes proper sex as only into the vagina, and ejaculating into the vagina, and other forms or sex, including fellatio (blowjobs), cunnilingus(pussylicking), sodomizing(anal sex, also oral sex technically) are improper. So, in a sense, same sex couples are free and have been free to practice their craft or creed, and nobody really cares, as long as you love each other, and you don't hurt kids, and you don't kill each other or send each other into the hospital with stuck objects and whatnot - and all hospitals have a long roster of such stuck object incidents - where we, the outsiders have to get involved. Also keep it to yourself, don't hang it out in the public in the face of kids, like the Teletubbies Tinkie Winkie is gay, and now we got a big discrimination topic, and everybody has to walk on eggshells because he's gay, and not to offend him, or he'll file a discrimination lawsuit. Ma, what does it mean he's gay? Shut up son, that's not for you to know. But I want to know. You'll know when you turn 14. Same sex marriage? Come on now. They should pass laws where discrimination against gays is illegal, with the understanding that it's not gonna be a constant open topic. Such as when people are working together. Just like working with the opposite sex, don't get your meat where you get your bread, in that don't get your piece of ass meat where you earn your daily bread income, because when things don't work out, it will be hell to the point of unable to sustain an income. And somebody being married, or a bachelor or bachelorette, or gay or lesbian, that's their business and none of the coworker's business, at least not as far as working together is concerned, I mean people know anyway if someone's like that, but it's not an open in your face topic, hey I came out of the closet, yeah, I'm a woman and I like to lick pussy, or wear strapons and fondle my bitch, or I'm a guy and I love sucking dick - dude, if you're gay, don't openly trumpet you're gay. It's ok, we just don't wanna talk about it. And if someone assumes you like the opposite sex, and talks to you about it as if you actually did, play along, pretend you do, for the sake of peace and harmony. Because as far as I know it still takes a woman and a man to create a child, and a child is a very important thing to the point where we should ask the gay people to be more flexible and tolerant and play along in their behavior as opposed to the straight ones, and child is a bond stronger than a marriage vow, or a ring on the finger, or at least should be. Same sex couples can adopt kids, but they could adopt them as individuals, and not brainwash the children into their own mentality, their own culture and lifestyle of gayness, because they are influencing the reproductive rights of the child. If anything, they should act as if they were bachelors or bachelorettes, with close friends, and even if the kids find out from walking in on them or from the noises, it's okay, they'd know anyway, but it would be like a taboo, not an open "we're a same sex married couple and we adopted you" topic at the dinner table, and this way they can still decide for themselves if they wanna follow the beaten path and have their own children, or wanna wander off into the same sex couple territory where they can only adopt.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (2)

KeensMustard (655606) | about 4 months ago | (#47538229)

A right would be pointless if there were never an occasion to use it. So far the existence of the right has made an environment where its exercise has not yet been necessary.It serves the people well.

Sounds like someone sold you a rock that keeps bears away, and consequently you are sure that there can be no bears regardless of people pointing out bears on the street, in your garden, rifling through your trash.

I personally like living in a place where I can say what I choose, right or wrong, to anyone, anytime without fear of repercussions based on their office, class, religion, ethnicity and if there is; I can sue the pants off them in court and make a public spectacle of them. I notice this right gets plenty of exercise.

You can't say what you like, to anyone at anytime. You probably never had that right, you certainly don't now. You just choose a subset of topics to discuss, to a subset of people, in a subset of times and places. Your own personal 'Free Speech Zone'. You are deluding yourself. Wake Up!

And lastly can I just point out how useless your firearm is for defending your rights: If you point your firearm at an official or member of law enforcement, you will be arrested and thrown into prison. Most likely, you will go to prison for longer that *I* would, were I to do the same thing in Australia, because despite other insanities, our sentencing laws are sane and our judicial system relatively free from corruption, whereas yours is utterly insane and utterly corrupt, and if you go to prison in the US you will stay there, stuck in the system for the rest of your life. So - what's the use of your firearm? Who are you going to point it at - tyrannical rabbits?

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47539957)

I personally like living in a place where I can say what I choose, right or wrong, to anyone, anytime without fear of repercussions based on their office, class, religion, ethnicity and if there is

> ... though don't ever talk about Gender, lest you get a creeper card. Worse than a felony!

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

currently_awake (1248758) | about 4 months ago | (#47538265)

The second amendment is already gone. All they have to do is make a secret law banning guns, then they convict every gun owner of that, then take away your guns because you're all convicted criminals. The second doesn't apply to anyone convicted of crime, and the government can ban anything it likes.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537675)

Is that some T.V. drama they play over there? No idea what you're talking about.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 4 months ago | (#47537679)

Thing is, all you chubby gun nuts spouting the second amendment and claiming you needed automatic weapons to protect yourselves from government abuses have just proved you're all intestine and no fortitude.

Weak.

Ammosexuals, the lot of 'em.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537201)

Now why would that matter? Seriously. Why would it?

If you planned to overthrow government with armed forces, I somehow don't think "gee, I'm not allowed to have a gun, let's forget about it" is the train of thought you'd follow...

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

Panoptes (1041206) | about 4 months ago | (#47536973)

It's good to see that the spirit of Sir Les Patterson lives on. Looks like Ozzy politicians are even more short-sighted and dumber than the sorry bunch of venal no-hopers currently running Westminster.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536979)

It's good to see that the spirit of Sir Les Patterson lives on. Looks like Ozzy politicians are even more short-sighted and dumber than the sorry bunch of venal no-hopers currently running Westminster.

The Queen runs us all!! Muwahahahaha!

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

whoever57 (658626) | about 4 months ago | (#47537031)

Looks like Ozzy politicians are even more short-sighted and dumber than the sorry bunch of venal no-hopers currently running Westminster.

I wouldn't be too sure of that: Tory MP says astrology is good for the health [telegraph.co.uk] "David Tredinnick, a member of Commons committees on health and science, says Britain should look to the stars to improve the nation's health"

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537263)

I can only agree. Swindling idiots out of their money is easy work with little stress and guaranteed to not result in burn out.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (2)

jeIIomizer (3670945) | about 4 months ago | (#47536989)

Spineless citizenry deserves an oppressive government.

Well, then most of my fellow citizens in the US definitely deserve the oppressive government we have. But what about the ones who are actually trying to change things? The problem is, you often get stuck with the government that other people deserve.

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537053)

Given that both major political parties in Australia have been skirting this legislation it's going to happen eventually.

And before people start singing the: "There's more than two parties..." line... I know. I didn't vote for either. Sadly though, while we can't 'waste' a vote ( http://chickennation.com/website_stuff/cant-waste-vote/web-700-cant-waste-vote-SINGLE-IMAGE.png ), you don't always get what you want :/

Re:Australia Deserves it. (1)

Dutch Gun (899105) | about 4 months ago | (#47537319)

Yeah, being repressed sucks [youtube.com] .

A nation of cowards deserves no rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537129)

Couldn't agree more.

Aussies have never stood up to government, and the media is fawning and complicit.

Most Australians vote either Liberal Party of Labor Party and never change their vote, despite what they do to them.

No one stands up for their rights. The cowardice and apathy of my fellow Australians is depressing. The government deserves to screw them all over. People who won't speak up for their rights don't deserve any.

Re:A nation of cowards deserves no rights (1)

JonathanR (852748) | about 4 months ago | (#47537629)

I was born on the great antipodean continent, I live there also. I don't, however, consider myself Australian. Being an Australian implies membership of a body-politic, which implies supplicating to politicians and their sycophants. I don't do that.

Re: A nation of cowards deserves no rights (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537777)

Fellow Australian here. What rights would they be and in what founding document can I find them?

Re: A nation of cowards deserves no rights (1)

quenda (644621) | about 4 months ago | (#47538637)

Fellow Australian here. What rights would they be and in what founding document can I find them?

Those rights mostly existed before the founding of the colonies, let alone the federation of the nation.
The documents are many, starting with the Magna Carta. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Australia Deserves it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537627)

Similar to how your government does a full body scan to keep you safe on your next flight?
In other countries only fully qualified medical Doctors can scan children, lest it be considered child pornography.

After things like snowden, TSA, the 100 mile Fourth Amendment exclusion zone I see a lot of spined citizens protesting (with guns too).

Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536901)

When will you learn that this kind of law will not work? Just have a look at what is being done in the UK. They tried this, realised that blocking sites is pretty much trying like trying to empty the oceans using a bucket full of holes and changed their methods to posting letters to the users if they are accused of pirating in the hope of getting the parents involved.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

bigfinger76 (2923613) | about 4 months ago | (#47536925)

Why would they be interested in contrasting themselves with the U.K.? God save the Queen!

Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536931)

Lol such a small population to be concerned about.
Futile? Yes.
Done to just appease commercial interests? Probably.
Futile? Yes.
Repeat.

Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537013)

Lol such a small population to be concerned about.
Futile? Yes.
Done to just appease commercial interests? Probably.
Futile? Yes.
Repeat.

It is futile but it does mean that in the meantime I will have to start using proxies to access websites (giving copyright owners the ability to block websites citing copyright infringement does not end at blocking torrent sites) and having to deal with potential issues while downloading legitimate content. It also means that ISPs here might turn to hobbling bittorrents and the likes to help themselves stay within the laws...

Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537015)

It is futile but it does mean that in the meantime I will have to start using proxies to access websites (giving copyright owners the ability to block websites citing copyright infringement does not end at blocking torrent sites) and having to deal with potential issues while downloading legitimate content. It also means that ISPs here might turn to hobbling bittorrents and the likes to help themselves stay within the laws...

It is relatively trivial to prevent ISPs from interfering with torrents.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536947)

Ah, but you forget. Tony Abbott doesn't learn. He's an insane corrupt sociopathic fucker that Australians have made a horrible horrible mistake by electing.

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Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537007)

Ah, but you forget. Tony Abbott doesn't learn. He's an insane corrupt sociopathic fucker that Australians have made a horrible horrible mistake by electing.

Captcha: snuffer

Tony Abbot is a wonderful man. I love him. Stop saying such terrible things about him!

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537171)

Hello Tony, already awake I see?

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537277)

I guess with the right sauce and wine he might be bearable...

Re: Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47538017)

Agreed. We should all vote for Jaquie "My Son Has a Big Cock" Lambley. Or perhaps Clive "I Eat $100 Notes For Breakfast" Palmer. No? How about Julia "There Will Be No Carbon Tax btw Here's A Carbon Tax" Gillard, Kevin "Make Air Stewardesses & Hairdressers Cry" Rudd, or even Bill "We're Sick Of Liberal Scaremongering But Abbott Is Evil And Eats Babies" Shorten? Still doesn't tickle your fancy? Don't forget about Sarah "No Limits, No Background Checks, Free Benefits For Asylum Seekers" Hanson-Young or Christine "I Should Have Retired With Bob Brown" Milne.
Those sound like great choices! Anything but Abbott because... because... Liberals! And The Age told me he was bad!

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (5, Informative)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | about 4 months ago | (#47536959)

Uncle Rupert owns the content. Uncle Rupert owns our pay tv network. Uncle Rupert discourages FTTH.

Follow the money.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536981)

Uncle Rupert owns the content. Uncle Rupert owns our pay tv network. Uncle Rupert discourages FTTH.

Follow the money.

Stop calling him that.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (4, Interesting)

AHuxley (892839) | about 4 months ago | (#47537063)

How will it work? A national block on a huge set of p2p index sites? A national block on a huge set of download link index sites?
What more can an isp be commanded do? Deep packet inspection for rar files as downloaded?
The long term logging of all users by isp to be automatically cross referenced with p2p tracking industry groups?
Issue a decree that Australian banks and related credit card products are not to pay for VPN or other encrypted services that hide users from their Australian isp?
Then have laws ready to send end users identified by the tame isp after the 2nd letter for state-mandated copyright awareness counseling?
A ban on the internet for users caught again? Or users kept away from the internet for a few months or years?
After all that hard legal work why not just allow other US or UK streaming media services into Australia? Let Australians buy access to any US or UK show, movie as in US or UK? Let them pay per show or per season from any US media provider they like.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537101)

All of the above...

You forgot the part though where they're giving ASIO the lawful right to break the law and hack into remote systems to gather information.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (2)

AHuxley (892839) | about 4 months ago | (#47537143)

I thought ASIO malware was only going to be reserved for the "suspected terrorists and other security interests" and only "...used in extremely limited circumstances and only when explicitly approved by the Attorney-General through a warrant."
One Australia wide warrant for all p2p users then?
Be fun to see how the mass use of state sanction zero day malware interacts with average consumer grade heuristic analysis in your average consumer antivirus program?
Will all the AV brands selling in Australia be expected to whitelist for ASIO?

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537279)

So... then you'll need pirated AV from abroad to defend against the governmental spying?

It's worse than in the US, actually...

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537291)

Be fun to see how the mass use of state sanction zero day malware interacts with average consumer grade heuristic analysis in your average consumer antivirus program?

Given that the average consumer antivirus program doesn't raise any alarms over the fact the user is running windows.....

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537113)

"After all that hard legal work why not just allow other US or UK streaming media services into Australia? Let Australians buy access to any US or UK show, movie as in US or UK? Let them pay per show or per season from any US media provider they like."

You misunderstand what this is really about, and why your suggestion will never happen.

This is about repaying Rupert Murdoch for his extremely biased (but favourable) media coverage that probably won the last election for the LNP. Murdoch owns the majority of newspapers and media in Australia. So expect a lot of pandering. There's currently ongoing attacks against the ABC (the national, balanced, broadcaster). (Australia only really has 3 news sources. News Corp (The largest), Fairfax Media (propped up by mining interests, ie: favourable to LNP) and the ABC). Attacks on ISPs (under the guise of copyright) in order to prop up Foxtel's (cable company) profits. I believe they're also watering down the media ownership laws.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537177)

I forgot to add, attacks and weakening of the National Broadband Network (NBN)

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (1)

dbIII (701233) | about 4 months ago | (#47537239)

How will it work? A national block on a huge set of p2p index sites? A national block on a huge set of download link index sites?

Of course not but it doesn't matter. They just want an excuse to put figarative heads on pikes of those caught to show that something is being done.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537285)

Just wait 'til the P2P index page gets public. Then it doubles as a "where to go for content" list.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537313)

you mean like chillingeffects is now for search engine takedowns?.. hell, google even links to them on pages with missing results as part of their 'transparency' efforts.

Re:Goddammit Tony Abbott (1)

felixrising (1135205) | about 4 months ago | (#47537457)

What you're getting at is, provide them access, and the problem will reduce substantially... the idea of geoblocking certain content on the internet is totally against the idea of the internet.. which is global access.

TheBiggestOffender (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47536993)

They are going to block google search and youtube? The two largest offenders..

Re:TheBiggestOffender (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537287)

If we can somehow throw in Facebook I bet that should piss off the NSA enough to label Aussieland some axis of evil candidate.

Re:TheBiggestOffender (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 4 months ago | (#47537579)

They'll only block sites that don't have the money to put up a fight.

AU needs an occupy movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537017)

That would help to put a stop to this kind of crap just as it did in the USA. When I was in NYC, it was amazing the energy the movement had. They've lost some inertia, but their actions have had a lasting effect.

Re:AU needs an occupy movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537111)

That would help to put a stop to this kind of crap just as it did in the USA. When I was in NYC, it was amazing the energy the movement had. They've lost some inertia, but their actions have had a lasting effect.

Uh.. What lasting effect would that be?

Re:AU needs an occupy movement (2)

Opportunist (166417) | about 4 months ago | (#47537289)

We learned that it's pointless to protest peacefully.

Re:AU needs an occupy movement (1)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 4 months ago | (#47537577)

Non-peaceful protest would have been no more effective. The US has settled into a state where the people are given an effective illusion of influence, and some real power over minor issues, but kept away from interfering with those who actually run the country. The tea party movement was no more effective, and for the same reason.

Re:AU needs an occupy movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47538137)

There is no lasting effect of one singular protest. The protesting must be constant and vigilant. Education campaigns need to happen year after year for protests to have effect. The truth must always be clear and be presented with evidence and be presented with as little bias as possible. A peaceful protest is not a sprint, it's a lifelong marathon.

Re:AU needs an occupy movement (1)

AHuxley (892839) | about 4 months ago | (#47537181)

All that happened in the USA was the protest leaders where identified, set up or turned. The rest is just busy work.
COINTELPRO has never worked so well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
As for Australia, watching all law reform groups is trivial for the police and security services.
The traction the anti Vietnam war draft movement had in Australia will never be allowed to build for any issue.

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Do note (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537225)

the wording on this is interesting. "Expanded Safe Harbour" is the way they spell "more liability" for ISPs.

Much in the way the British porn filtering law introduced "opt out" (to nannying) but spelled it "opt in" (to unfiltered* access, now requiring identification along with an implicit admission of being a pervert).

* Mostly. The IWF censorship is still there, of course.

Like this will ever work. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537297)

Bring on Tor....

VPN (1)

hozozco (856621) | about 4 months ago | (#47537311)

As an Australian, my biggest objection to this is the huge waste of money to set this up, maintain it and enforce it.

Personally, I've got a $4.00 per month VPN. Let's see, what country shall my computer be in today... :-)

RED TAPE (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537513)

New RED TAPE!
There is zero green tape in this.
Smart Australian Companies competing on a level playing field. Nope - ISP's now become Regulated ISP (RISP's).
There is no tangible benefit in Australia's National Interest here.
Lowers productivity (tick)
Increases business overheads (tick)
Angers voters (tick)
Looses votes (tick)
Looses Australian jobs (tick).
Taxpayers picking up the tab for CIVIL matters (tick)

Tis a steaming pile of crap. I want to see 'Uptake of VPN and projected current account invisible losses' charts and projections.
Once Australians all have VPN's, local IT will have a similar life expectancy as the local car manufacturing 'Industry'.

Re:VPN (1)

johanw (1001493) | about 4 months ago | (#47537823)

"As an Australian, my biggest objection to this is the huge waste of money to set this up, maintain it and enforce it."

And the amount of money to a\work around it. Like in France, where people are massively shifting to VPN.

Re:VPN (2)

currently_awake (1248758) | about 4 months ago | (#47538307)

The NSA spends a lot of time and money "Defending America" by spying on everyone. But if the Copyright cartels drive everyone to use VPN's and crypto it will directly undermine all that hard work and money spent. As a matter of national security, the government of the USA needs to block the copyright enforcers from this path.

Control (1)

Wowsers (1151731) | about 4 months ago | (#47537339)

"Tackling Piracy" is the cover story, but it's just for the government to grab control of the free internet. A little bit at the time, they come up with reasons to censor this, ban that, people too stupid to see what is happening. Until one day, you have nothing left of the internet as we know it today.

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47538525)

Until one day, you have nothing left of the internet as we know it today.

Too late. There is already nothing left of the internet as we knew it in the 1980's.

huh (1)

gTsiros (205624) | about 4 months ago | (#47537351)

Did anyone notice that *they* used the correct term "copyright infringement" while the story submitter used the incorrect term "piracy" ? It's usually the opposite happening.

Re:huh (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 4 months ago | (#47537423)

What's incorrect about the term "piracy"? Its been used to refer to copyright infringement for hundreds of years.

Re:huh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47538205)

Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

The fact that it's been in lexicon for all this time doesn't make the implicit allegations any more correct today as it was in the past. If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”

Leave piracy to the pirates and the ships and the seas. Let's keep the term of piracy distinct to idea of copyright infringement.

Re:huh (2)

SuricouRaven (1897204) | about 4 months ago | (#47537563)

Correct, incorrect... language changes. Better to reclaim the word as a symbol of pride, as The Pirate Bay does.

I've given up most hope of ever reclaiming 'hacker' now, though.

Re:huh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537639)

Did anyone notice that *they* used the correct term "copyright infringement" while the story submitter used the incorrect term "piracy" ? It's usually the opposite happening.

They need to be a little careful how they phrase it because of the legitimate Australian political party Pirate Party of Australia [wikipedia.org] ; the US industry lobbyist who probably wrote this paper don't want to remind people of it. It may also be somebody from IP Australia [wikipedia.org] - a classic example of regulatory capture who don't appear to represent the interests of the general population at all.

Who decides (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537389)

... "reasonable steps that can be taken ... to discourage or reduce online copyright infringement."

Who decides what is reasonable? Remember the i-net case where the copyright protection organisation sued an ISP for not terminating its service contract with a known IP pirate?

Australians fight quite hard for continued protection of principles like 'a fair go', 'job security' and other nation-building ideals but actual freedom not so much. The problem is that the Aussie government isn't limited by a bill of rights and doesn't promise its citizens any rights to freedom. Since the 'war on terror', the government has been busy writing laws to ensure the few freedoms Aussie people have inherited can be deliberately withheld at any time without due process.

Awesome that'll save me tonnes of money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537419)

If this gets pushed through most aussies will just cut the cord as the cost for digital content is beyond insanity in Aus.

Treasurer for sale! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47537499)

Only took a 6 figure donation from village roadshow.

They can't stop boats... (1)

JonathanR (852748) | about 4 months ago | (#47537647)

...let alone packets.

yeh (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 4 months ago | (#47539799)

At least we still have access to websites and freedom of the digital world unlike you sissies who just lost everything but aol and Yahoo have fun reading what your government wants you to and not what the world is discussing. Oh wait y'all never used internet anyways right? Y'all are the outbacks alway outback.

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