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In France, Most Comments on Gaza Conflict Yanked From Mainstream News Sites

timothy posted about 3 months ago | from the national-brotherhood-week dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with an unpleasant statistic from France, quoting David Corchia, who heads a service employed by large French news organizations to sift through and moderate comments made on their sites. Quoting YNet News: Corchia says that as an online moderator, generally 25% to 40% of comments are banned. Moderators are assigned with the task of filtering comments in accordance with France's legal system, including those that are racist, anti-Semitic or discriminatory. Regarding the war between the Israelis and Hamas, however, Corchia notes that some 95% of online comments made by French users are removed. "There are three times as many comments than normal, all linked to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict," added Jeremie Mani, head of another moderation company Netino. "We see racist or anti-Semitic messages, very violent, that also take aim at politicians and the media, sometimes by giving journalists' contact details," he added. "This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments."

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Da Juice (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542545)

"This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments."

That's because there are no Jews in Syria, and a metric fuck'ton of Snackbars in France.

The proofs (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543153)

" ... We see racist or anti-Semitic messages, very violent ... This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict"

That is because the Muslims are getting very bold in Europe
 
Proofs below -

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ima... [hoax-slayer.com]

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ima... [hoax-slayer.com]

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ima... [hoax-slayer.com]

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/ima... [hoax-slayer.com]

And if any of you in Europe think that you are safe, may God have mercy on you !

Like China och USSR (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542547)

So, we have discovered that the whole western world is pretty much the same as any other dictatorship with regards to censorship in sensitive questions. Sure, we can write whatever we want about unimportant stuff, but what good does that make? This is so sad.

Captcha: repress

Re: Like China och USSR (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542631)

Unless, I'm mistaken, the article indicates that the news sites are choosing to remove the comments on their own (they have hired some company to do this)...they aren't being forced by the government. That would be the difference if I'm right...

Re: Like China och USSR (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542913)

They are being forced to filter "illegal" eg hate/racist/defamatory comments.

The not-so-ironic thing is that a French media moderator is moderating comments on a conflict that is hate-based.

My personal opinion on the entire thing is "there will never be peace in the middle east", Not till those petrodollars run out. Like the thing that I find stupid is the sheer amount of waste Burj Khalifa (Dubai,UAE) and the Mile-high tower (Kingdom Tower,Jeddah, Saudi Arabia) are to their local economy. They build these enormous wealth-measuring buildings, but have none of the support infrastructure (The Burj, has all it's sewage, trucked out) for it to be functional. For the same price, they can build an entire city of smaller, efficient buildings, with all the support infrastructure to make Manhattan look like a dump.)

So all these conflicts in the middle east, are just proxy wars between the uneducated "have-not"'s. The entire Gaza thing is the middle eastern states playing a high-stakes form of chicken with Israel. Nobody wants to be caught funding the terrorists, but "looking a blind eye away" while things are allowed to happen, over and over again, it's getting old. I'd sooner believe Iran is building a peaceful nuclear plant, than there ever being peace between Israel and any of it's neighbors. At some point this is all going to boil over and the "holy land" gets nuked by someone playing the "if I can't have it, you can't have it either" card.

Re:Like China och USSR (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542709)

So, we have discovered that the whole western world is pretty much the same as any other dictatorship with regards to censorship in sensitive questions. Sure, we can write whatever we want about unimportant stuff, but what good does that make? This is so sad.

Captcha: repress

There have been pro-Hamas SPAM campaigns hitting all the major news websites these last few weeks. Don't be so quick to call it censorship.

maybe (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542549)

Maybe, if you could say the word Israel... without being called an anti-semite....

This entire conflict is Evil... it doesn't matter, if one side is Jewish and the other side is Islam...

It has nothing to do with that...

Having said that... the Israeli apartheid state needs a wake up call... because they are doing what the south african's did before them.

And, yes I am going there... and what the Nazis did before that.

Re: maybe (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542563)

Say anything negative about Israel and you are LITERALLY HITLER, know what I mean?

Or maybe you're not so good at math (5, Insightful)

popo (107611) | about 3 months ago | (#47542867)

The problem is that in terms of mathematical relativity, the fighting in Gaza is not a terribly important ongoing conflict.

There are an *exponentially* larger number of ongoing casualties in Syria. Where is the outrage?

There are more ongoing casualties in Sudan, Pakistan and other non-reported conflicts as well. Where are the street protests?

Selective outrage is inherently indicative of a motivation *other* than humanitarian concern.

Great stats here: http://notquant.com/the-israel... [notquant.com]

We must care about civilian casualties. But we must not care more about some casualties over others.

Re:Or maybe you're not so good at math (0, Flamebait)

Clsid (564627) | about 3 months ago | (#47542905)

The main difference is that there while in Syria we are talking about a guy who just wants to stay in power, in the case of Israel, it is just a case of them pushing people away to take their lands. But hey, if you support the genocide that is taking place in Palestine by using the genocide in Syria as an excuse, there is no point in a discussion.

Re:Or maybe you're not so good at math (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542967)

Your argument fails absolutely in moral terms. You are attempting to value civilian casualties differently based on the motivation of the killers.

And your summation of the Syrian conflict is grossly ignorant. It is not just a "guy who wants to stay in power". It's a proxy war between the US and Russia.

There is *real* genocide happening in Syria. There is a relatively minor conflict (mathematically speaking) in Gaza.

Keep on hating.

Re:Or maybe you're not so good at math (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542997)

The problem is that in terms of mathematical relativity, the fighting in Gaza is not a terribly important ongoing conflict.

The reason why we care more about Israel is that Israel is supposed to be a civilized Western country, so we identify with them and want to support them. Unfortunately it is very hard when they behave just like the other religious extremists in the Middle East, using their power to displace other people. This makes people almost as angry as they would be if their own leaders were doing it.

Re:Or maybe you're not so good at math (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543039)

So atrocity on your planet is not measured in human life, but in the disappointment caused when political reality doesn't live up to expectation?

Nice moral platform.

How many civilians died in Iraq? Or do you even care?

Re:Or maybe you're not so good at math (1)

tommeke100 (755660) | about 3 months ago | (#47543035)

Selective, maybe. However the chart is a bit outdated, as there are over 800 casualties already, and that was 2 days ago.
So, in that given chart, the Palestina conflict just climbed 6 places.

Re:maybe (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 3 months ago | (#47542627)

The "fun" part is that being anti-Israel currently is less antisemitic than it is antifascist...

Re:maybe (1, Funny)

Ateocinico (32734) | about 3 months ago | (#47542799)

The "fun" part is that being anti-Israel currently is less antisemitic than it is antifascist...

Please explain why Israel or Jews are fascist. As someone whose family was victimized by fascism, I find your remark offensive in its banality.

Re:maybe (4, Insightful)

Clsid (564627) | about 3 months ago | (#47542933)

I would say the Russians were victimized a lot more than the Jews, and maybe even in a more cruel way like in the case of the starving of Leningrad. Israel is being fascist at the moment and I agree, it is awful to consider that Jewish people in Israel are today doing the same thing to others that they suffered in the not so distant past. Perhaps it is time to think about this whole hatred and land grabbing mentality again. Those Palestinian rockets are being launched for a reason.

Re:maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542951)

The IDF cleanses land in the West Bank in part so Israeli corporations can establish factories using pillaged resources and have access to near slave labor. It's the marriage of state and corporate power based on the ethnic superiority of Jews over Christians and Muslims.

Re:maybe (5, Insightful)

war4peace (1628283) | about 3 months ago | (#47542993)

My non-jewish family was victimized by fascism. But I don't run around yelling "I'm offended!" every time the subject is brought up. My family moved on 5 decades ago, and I still think it took the a bloody long time to do it.

Seriously, stop it. Just let it go and move on. You're doing nobody any good.

Re:maybe (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542731)

Anyone who calls Israel apartheid is antisemitic and racist.

Re:maybe (2, Interesting)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 3 months ago | (#47542741)

Umm, have you paid attention to what the people in charge on the Palestinian side of this have done, and are doing? You know, things like killing people for being homosexual? Such that Arabs who have homosexual desires often seek, and receive, asylum in Israel. Or perhaps you have not noticed that their compatriots is Iraq have mandated female genital mutilation in at least one city which they control? Perhaps you have not noticed that the Syrian government has killed more Arabs this year than Israel has, by a wide margin?

Re:maybe (4, Insightful)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | about 3 months ago | (#47542805)

That mandate is false and debunked since two weeks already, it never existed.
Hint: genital mutilation is not an islamic thing but an africans natural religions/tribal thing.
I don't know many 'arabs' got killed in this YEAR in Syria, but I know the death toll in Palestine was over 1000 in the last two weeks, perhaps you can enlighten us how that will scale for the rest of the year?

Re:maybe (3, Informative)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 3 months ago | (#47542877)

Well, the death toll for two days in Syria during those same two week was 700, would you care to guess how that will scale over the rest of the year? My guess is that it will be significantly higher than the death toll in Palestine over the same period.

Re:maybe (1)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about 3 months ago | (#47542869)

What does that have to do with anything? Does one side (well one side and people vaguely similar to them) being brutal to their people entitle the other side to slaughter even more of those people?

Re:maybe (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 3 months ago | (#47543047)

Well. except for the fact that nobody is paying much attention to Syria AND the Syrian government is slaughtering more Arabs than the Israeli government.

Re:maybe (0)

Clsid (564627) | about 3 months ago | (#47542941)

Have you noticed what Israel is doing to non-Jewish citizens of Israel? I guess not.

Re:maybe (4, Insightful)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 3 months ago | (#47543057)

Have you noticed what their neighbors are doing to their citizens? I would rather be a non-Jewish citizen of Israel than a citizen of the neighboring countries.

Re: maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543013)

That story about ISIS mandating FGM turned out to be fake. Meanwhile, however, both jews and muslims mutilate the genitals of their boys, and everyone thinks that's normal - even denying that it is EVERY BIT AS HARMFUL.

Re:maybe (1)

cmdr_tofu (826352) | about 3 months ago | (#47542793)

You are 100% right, antisemitism is a very real and very awful thing, but so is Israeli apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy).

A few Israeli soldiers are refusing to serve and can get away with saying everything that needs to be said. (Well they can get away without being called antisemitic, but they are going to jail for it): http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com]

I have the luxury of being friends with people who believe in different religions (including Islam and Judaism), and there is nothing about the religions or the people that prevent peaceful coexistence and friendship. When religious beliefs seem to be a factor in this conflict, I think they are being manipulated for political ends.

This is not a religious problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542863)

The problem is that two groups of people want the same land.

That's it. The religious issues are just a distraction and some folks are using their religion as justification for claiming the land. And here in the States, it is framed as a religious issue to get support for Israel: Look! The chosen people are being terrorized by those evil Muslims!

Re:This is not a religious problem. (4, Insightful)

dskoll (99328) | about 3 months ago | (#47542907)

It *used* to be that the religious issues were just a distraction, but that is no longer the case. Islam is reverting to what it was originally: A fascist political movement aimed at world control, masquerading as a religion. It is utterly impossible to compromise with hard-line Muslims because their very religion rejects the idea of compromise with non-Muslims. Non-Muslims are to be killed or subjugated; that is prescribed directly in Islamic religious writings.

On the Jewish side, there has been a similar move to hard-line positions, though to a less dangerous degree than in Islam. The hard-line Jewish extremists want to take over the whole of "Eretz Yisrael." They are not interested in subjugating the entire world.

Re: This is not a religious problem. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543087)

Christians supporting those that killed and to this day deny Christ. And they don't see the irony.

MOD THIS BULLSHIT TO OBLIVION (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542837)

The parent comment is clear cut flamebait, and you retard moderators pushed it up why??? This is blatant and egregious misuse of moderation points. This is an outrage and I will demand that the editors revoke your privileges.

Re:maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542843)

If you give a wake up call to Israel and force peace upon Israel aith a return to pre 1967 borders, Israel will just be left with indefensible borders and will just be razed in the wars that will follow. It'll then be replaced with a fundamentalist islamist state who will kill even more people and who will care even less about human rights.

And, yes I am going there... and what the Nazis did before that.

I haven't read any report about palestinians being killed in gas chambers then being burned in crematoriums. The nazis killed 5 millions people in concentration camps. So no, Israel isn't doing what the nazis did, not even close.

Re:maybe (1)

DarkOx (621550) | about 3 months ago | (#47542891)

Right the entire conflict is evil and it needs to end, but for it to end the West needs to quit meddling and and the various Palestinian groups need to accept reality.

Its not the Wests fault for creating Israel. Sure we did but all throughout history wars have been fought and lines on maps have been redrawing various peoples have been pushed out of one spot or another by other groups. There has to be some statue of limitations on these things. 70 years on I think we need to acknowledge we are no-long responsible for the security of Israel ( that needs to on them now ) and we don't owe the children of the displaced Palestinian peoples anything either. Which leaves the situation like this:

Israel faces and existential problem. They can't appease the Palestinians without abandonment of the fundamental character of their nation. Nobody can reasonably expect a people to do that.

Hamas has and does advocate and conduct violence against Israel, the can and do hide weapons among their civilian population they have and will use their tunnels or any relaxed restrictions on the embargo to transport weapons or materials from which weapons can be made into Gaza.

The Palestinians face an existential problem, They can't make peace with Israel without surrendering what they believe to be their homeland; nor can they accept the status quo as a settlement neither of the current Palestinian territories is economically viable on its own. They cannot feed the people they have with their own production they cannot produce enough of anything else of value to purchase food, their existence is dependent on charity. They could not do this with open boarders either.

Nobody can expect the Palestinians to lie down and accept that.

Because the threats they face on their boarders Israel can't accept much movement where lines on the map are concerned and remain defense able. Its a fundamental impasse.

----
So every couple years we have these little dust-ups and thousands die and more end up suffering. Then some arrogant fools arrange another ceasefire thinking its humanitarian. Next various groups again in the name of humanitarianism provide food and energy to Palestine, which leads to another generation born into a community which cannot support them and life of no real opportunities or hope. Finally we repeat the bloodshed. Its stupid more people have died badly than if we just backed off and let Israel, the Palestinian groups, and the other local nations states just slug it out and finish things once and for all.

Frankly we should have recognized the coup that took place in Egypt and cut off the foreign aid and imposed an travel ban. If we had let Egypt collapse into a failed state (and it would without tourism and aide monies) it would give the Palestinian refuges some place to go or force Israel to fight a war that actually resolves the matter once and for necessitated by no longer having Egypt's assistance to keep arms out of Palestine. Maybe over a few decades a new stable system could emerge;

Rght now its just an endless cycle of violence and we are its enablers. I really believe the most humanitarian thing we could do is just resolve the get out of the conflict and stay out of the conflict no matter what.

maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542911)

Mostly you're right. But there is no apartheid in Israel. Israeli Jewish and Arab citizens have equal rights and are equal under the law. And there is a supreme court (which has Arab members) that is active in maintaining it.
Israeli citizens and non-citizens do not have equal rights, but that's pretty much true in any country. If you are implying that Israel should extend Israeli citizenship to anybody living occupied territory, then... well basically you're proposing annexation of the West Bank and Gaza, and ultimately the "one state solution", that is roundly rejected by everyone.

Re:maybe (3, Interesting)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about 3 months ago | (#47543043)

The problem right now is that the West Bank and Gaza are in a kind of limbo. They aren't part of Israel (so the inhabitants don't get any rights as citizens) and they aren't allowed to become a separate state (if they try they get bombed and 'settled' some more). So Israel should decide what it wants to do, not just keep killing civilians whenever some religious idiots decide to fire of more rockets.
If it wants the land ,it should give the inhabitants citizenships and enforce it's laws - not by bombing innocents but by actually occupying and policing everything.
If it does not want to do that it should get out of the area completely. Not just say that they left and leave the hundreds of miles of fences and checkpoints everywhere so the people can't even go to work without being harrased.

Re:maybe (1)

brianerst (549609) | about 3 months ago | (#47542939)

Maybe you wouldn't be considered an anti-semite if you didn't compare Israelis to Nazis.

A comparison to South Africa or Rhodesia/Zimbabwe would be more apt - at least you've got some similarities (and some differences too - having a diaspora return to an ancestral homeland that still has a remnant of the original population is different than pure colonization). But nothing that is occurring in Israel/Palestine comes close to what the Nazi's did in a decade. It's a category error.

Re:maybe (3, Insightful)

TFAFalcon (1839122) | about 3 months ago | (#47543077)

It is quite similar to what the Nazis wanted to do. Not the Holocaust, but Lebensraum - they wanted to remove the 'inferior' Slavs from the land they wanted to occupy. Just like what Israel is trying to do now to the Palestinians (with none of the German 'efficiency').

Re:maybe (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543065)

Yes, great comparison... because Israel is systemically rounding up and murdering thousands upon thousands of Palestinian civilians.

If you lived in a place where a neighboring country routinely fired rockets at your cities, built tunnels underground so they could capture and murder teenage civilians, hides military targets among civilian buildings to ensure that there will be civilian casualties that make the world news, and whose official position is that your country shouldn't be allowed to exist, what what you do?

If the US were faced with a situation similar to what Israel lives in every day, they'd permanently occupy the offending neighbor and institute martial law. Civilian causalities would be orders of magnitude higher than what they've been in Gaza. And everyone would be standing on their doorsteps waving their American flags.

The problem isn't that you're "brave" enough to criticize Israel, the problem is that the criticisms are arm chair quarterbacking rooted in a fantasy world that completely ignores the realities of living in Israel. The problem is that the vast majority of the world is, always has been, and always will be, deeply anti-Semitic and thus the news media writes all news stories in such a way as to make the Israeli government seem like monsters.

From an American/Israeli... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543121)

You're just another armchair criticizer. Israel does not have apartheid. We have Arabs with businesses, Arabs in the Army, Arabs in the Parliament... That does not equate to "apartheid". The Nazi's genocided people. If we were genociding the Palestinians, believe me, we could do it in one fucking day. We could level Gaza, and level the West Bank, in one fucking day!

How about you stop watching whatever useful idiot news the left has been feeding you, come here to Israel and see for yourself before spewing outrageous and baseless remarks from whatever desk that is outside the region being discussed. Even bolder, I cordially invite you to go to the West Bank or Gaza, just to see how long you last before they start butchering your dumb ass, as you beg and proclaim that you support them and that you are pro-palestinian, and you are on their side, or maybe you'll be luckily enough to live to be tortured and held captive until they get some lucrative trade for you from the west. Likely, you'll just be the next Vittorio Arrigon.

Re:maybe (0)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 3 months ago | (#47543155)

Having said that... the Israeli apartheid state needs a wake up call... because they are doing what the south african's did before them.

And, yes I am going there... and what the Nazis did before that.

Except, you know, that part where Hamas has 1st world military hardware that they're using to target civilians. Not saying that Israel isn't being stupid in many ways but Hamas is horrifically evil. Their goal is literally to exterminate Jews, and to that end no means is too extreme. They're sacrificing their own people who have an understandable hatred for Israel that, unfortunately, the rest of the middle east is using to exploit them in a proxy war.

Can't say bad things about the Jews (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542551)

Nice arrangement.

It's obvious. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542565)

It's just the Hamas PR machine working overtime.

Re:It's obvious. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542643)

It's just the Hamas PR machine working overtime.

No it's not. Zionism is a political ideology that supports the eradication of the palestinians as a people from the lands (that somehow were given by God to the Jews). Israel is hell bent on destroying any trace of palestinans, it is already in all but name an aperthaeid state and society. The law is not the same for Jews, Arab Jews and Palestians. You have 1st class, 2nd class and 3third class citizens. What's more disgusting is the unconditional support of the US and in minor part the EU. Israel can go on commiting war crimes with impunity because the US refuses to take a moral stand and sanction them. The same goes for the EU.

The narrative that somehow any critic of Israel is anti-semitic just because is nonsense. The victims of yesterday (and truth be told the Europeans after WWII instead of trying to heal the horrors of the war with the Jewish comunity decided to get rid of the problem by letting the Jews take possession of a land that was not their to begin with. And in the process kicking off the Palestians that were lawfully living there) have become the oppresors of today. The US, and the Europeans have much to answer for in this conflict.

Gaza is the biggest open prison in the world. People there live in atrocious conditions all because of Israel having cut off any kind of communication between Gaza and the outer world. And that has being going on for the last 8 years. As far as the "right to protect itself" spouted by Netanyahu and Obama it's a pathetic exuse for genocide. It would be like the US carpet bombing Texas because 500 Texans want independence from the US. Disproportionate response.

Re:It's obvious. (0)

reboot246 (623534) | about 3 months ago | (#47542713)

Wow! How could one person get so many things wrong? Go back to history class and this time pay attention.

Let me guess. You're either a Muslim or just an ignorant atheist.

Re:It's obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542733)

Wow! How could one person get so many things wrong? Go back to history class and this time pay attention.

Let me guess. You're either a Muslim or just an ignorant atheist.

I'm a Roman Catholic, does that make me an antisemitic by definition or what ?

Re: It's obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542883)

No, just wrong.

Re:It's obvious. (1)

markwillison (3764611) | about 3 months ago | (#47542779)

Presuming someone is a Muslin or an "ignorant atheist" doesn't sound ignorant or perhaps discriminatory? Just asking, I don't want to be your next target.

Re:It's obvious. (1)

Clsid (564627) | about 3 months ago | (#47542959)

Care to explain what was wrong about what he said? Or are you just going to call him anti-Jewish? Mel Gibson style.

Re:It's obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542743)

Maybe before you spout this stuff, you should read up about what Zionism actually is, what Israeli law actually says, and what genocide actually means.

Re:It's obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542815)

Maybe before you spout this stuff, you should read up about what Zionism actually is, what Israeli law actually says, and what genocide actually means.

How about you illuminate us ?
What does radical Zionism as understood by the Likhud political party acutally is ?
What is Israeli law for Jews, Arabs with Isreali citizenship and Palestinians ?

C'mon man I eagerly await your lessons. I'm all ears.

Re:It's obvious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543017)

Well, as a short starter for you,
- Zionism has nothing to say about Palestinians whatsoever, certainly nothing about eradicating them, and is also not based in religion.
- Israeli law treats all citizens as equal irrespective of religion, race, or creed.
- Israel is clearly not trying to kill all Gazans, or they would have completed their mission in the first 2 days without even setting foot in there.

Peace and love.

Re:It's obvious. (4, Informative)

dskoll (99328) | about 3 months ago | (#47543023)

From the Israeli Declaration of Independence:

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open to the immigration of Jews from all countries of their dispersion; will promote the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; will be based on the precepts of liberty, justice and peace taught by the Hebrew Prophets; will uphold the full social and political equality of all its citizens, without distinction of race, creed or sex; will guarantee full freedom of conscience, worship, education and culture; will safeguard the sanctity and inviolability of the shrines and Holy Places of all religions; and will dedicate itself to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

From the Hamas charter:

Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed.

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

Any procedure in contradiction to Islamic Sharia, where Palestine is concerned, is null and void.

It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis.

Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."

The Islamic Resistance Movement consider itself to be the spearhead of the circle of struggle with world Zionism and a step on the road. The Movement adds its efforts to the efforts of all those who are active in the Palestinian arena. Arab and Islamic Peoples should augment by further steps on their part; Islamic groupings all over the Arab world should also do the same, since all of these are the best-equipped for the future role in the fight with the warmongering Jews.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).

Re:It's obvious. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542725)

It's just the Hamas PR machine working overtime.

Don't rank this down. For the last couple of weeks there's been a sudden flood of pro-Hamas/Anti-Israeli pure spam comments hitting a shitload of articles on all the major news sites. And not just articles about Gaza, they're all over the damn place.

anti-Semitic or antisemitic? (1)

Skvate (2459000) | about 3 months ago | (#47542569)

They mean different things. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... [wikipedia.org] anti-Semitic includes all Semitic people/languages. Antisemitic seems to only include jews.

Re:anti-Semitic or antisemitic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543097)

What is an 'tisemitic?

Censorship! (2)

Etherwalk (681268) | about 3 months ago | (#47542585)

Won't someone think of the racists?

Also, it doesn't say they don't take down racist comments against Palestinians.

Re:Censorship! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542765)

Since when is a religious preference a race?

Is everyone who is Catholic of the Catholic race?

Should Hate be left alone? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542623)

The problem with most of these comments is that they are vile and hate-filled toward not just a country, but an entire religion.

Europeans have laws against hate speech. That's why these comments are being deleted.

Personally, I'd leave these comments in place. It shows the hatred that is being fomented in many Islamic middle eastern countries. We should know what they really think and why.

I think deleting those comments is actually masking a terrible problem.

Re:Should Hate be left alone? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542735)

The problem is that the moment you don't blindly side with Israelis you are labeled as racist nazi sympathizer.

Re:Should Hate be left alone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542875)

Let's try not to ignore the fact that scores upon scores of people love to spout hateful, frightening antisemitic bullshit everywhere, regardless of what they are labeled as.

Yeah some people react the way you say... but that didn't just happen for no fucking reason. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf... except here it's the boys who cried jew.

Re:Should Hate be left alone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542901)

It's rational, not blind. While arabs are busy explosing themselves in Israel, they're not doing it in Europe. If Israel falls and is replaced by an muslim arab state, they'll start exploding themselves in Europe for some bullshit reason. And if Europe falls, then they'll find another place to blow up themselves.

Re:Should Hate be left alone? (1)

angel'o'sphere (80593) | about 3 months ago | (#47542853)

In some way it masks a 'terrible problem' however the fact that we know about the huge amount of deletions makes it visible as well.

The problem behind the problem is: the laws go both ways. If the moderators of the publishers would not delete defaming posts, the publishers would be liable for publishing racist or hate speech, hence they easily would get sued.

Re:Should Hate be left alone? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543053)

"It shows the hatred that is being fomented in many Islamic middle eastern countries"
You do realize that the hatred is from both sides, right ?

Meta-problem (2, Insightful)

ka9dgx (72702) | about 3 months ago | (#47542645)

The big issue is that one group of refugees from an attempted Genocide is creating another group of refugees from their attempted Genocide.

All else is lies.

Re:Meta-problem (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542729)

Israel is not attempting a genocide. Aparthide, sure, but you have to admit, everyone is out to get them. Over 100,000 Arabs have died at the hands of the Syrians. Americans killed similar ammounts of Arabs from the 1990's up to the early 2010's. But when a group of upstart Jews kills 100's of Palestanians in 2014, it's genocide? How can I take you seriously?

Re:Meta-problem (1)

Clsid (564627) | about 3 months ago | (#47542981)

Dude, most of those people died over the course of long wars. Israel simply does not care about collateral damage at this point.

Re:Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543105)

I agree it's not genocide, it is just pure stupidity, I swear Israel is doing everything they can to be hated, and then they complain that people hate them. I even heard one of Israel's leader acknowledge that Hamas wants Israel to kill Palestinians to increase the hate, so they know it's stupid and it's a trap, and they run full speed into this trap...
They keep attacking Gaza over and over again, do any of these far right idiots really expect a different outcome this time, or do they want an all out war ? (I give you a hint: even if you try you can't kill a whole people, so the only way to end this is peace, not war)

Re:Meta-problem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542745)

Israel is defending itself. Hamas puts their people in harm's way as human shields. You are the liar.

Re:Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542775)

Israel is defending itself. Hamas puts their people in harm's way as human shields. You are the liar.

Go on believing your own lies mate.
Be careful when you take them out of your stinking ass though.

Re:Meta-problem (2, Insightful)

dskoll (99328) | about 3 months ago | (#47542937)

Or to clarify GP: Israel uses missiles to protect its civilians. Hamas uses civilians to protect its missiles.

Re:Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542769)

Incredible to call I srael anything faintly resembling Apartheid or Nazi Germany. An Israeli Arab is members of the Supreme court in Israel and there is representation by Arabs in Israel's political system. Israeli companies such as Sodastream pay Palestiniian works more highly than they are paid by Palestinian companies. Israeli Arabs have the right to vote and are not segregated. These and many other factors make Israel completely different then Apartheid or Nazi Germany. I will go as far to say that Israel is the only truly Democratic country in the region; a region where most Islamist states have brutal aniti human stances against women children and foreigners. In Syria more people have been killed in the last 3 years (over 150,000 http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-syria-crisis-toll-idUSBREA300YX20140401) than in the Israeli conflicts with Palestinians (51,000 http://www.danielpipes.org/4990/arab-israeli-fatalities-rank-49th) since 1948. Get your facts straight people

Re:Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542823)

Right.
More people are being killed in other countries, so it's fine for us to kill a couple right?
By that logic I could go out and kill some hookers, because Rifkin killed 17.

Re:Meta-problem (1)

dskoll (99328) | about 3 months ago | (#47542947)

No, it's not "fine" and not everything Israel does should be defended. But we must ask why Israel is singled out when there are so many far worse atrocities going on. And if you think it has nothing to do with the fact that the majority of Israelis are Jewish, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Re:Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542961)

No, but it's an indication of what would happen if Israel disappears and is replaced by a muslim state: the new state would kill even more muslims (and would also kill non muslims in the beginning years before the survivors leave). We can't get perfect peace there, we can only get the least bad one. If you destroy the least bad state of the region for being bad, you'll just get another much worse one to replace it. That's why, when multiple states are violating human rights in a region, you need to undermine the worsts one first. And only if there are some least bad persons that can take power in the aftermath. Or you'll just end up causing more death in the name of peace and justice.

Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542847)

Do you honestly believe that Israel are attempting to commit genocide and can't do better than killing 1000 people in a few weeks? At this rate it would take 100 years to finish the job. I'm pretty sure that if genocide was the aim, then by now there wouldn't be a blade of grass standing in Gaza.

Re:Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542857)

Exactly, the Palestinians are the enemy and must be vanquished from the Earth. Thank you for making it to clear to everyone.

Re:Meta-problem (2, Insightful)

dskoll (99328) | about 3 months ago | (#47542929)

Israel's not very efficient at committing genocide. Boko Haram in Nigeria has killed far more people. ISIS in Syria too. Etc.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a minor regional territorial conflict. But because of huge anti-Israel sentiment among UN members, combined with a healthy does of Islamic racism, this minor conflict that could have been settled years ago is kept festering because the Islamic bloc at the UN sees it as a useful tool to weaken Israel. It's pure cynical geopolitics fueled by Islamic fascism.

Re:Meta-problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543107)

Maybe you are confusing 'not very efficient' with 'very very careful.'

Captcha: crimes

Eisenhower was right (4, Interesting)

Calavar (1587721) | about 3 months ago | (#47543143)

If ever there was a state that was consumed by the military-industrial complex, it was Israel.

If you look at military spending as a percentage of GDP, Israel spends 1.5x as much as the US. 2% of Israel's population is active military. If you include reservists, that goes up to 9%. Compare this to 0.2% and 0.4%, respectively, for the US.

Israel is a country that is largely lead by war heros from the 60s and 70s and their acolytes. Let's look at the recent PMs of Israel: Netanyahu (former IDF commando), Ehud Barak (former chief of staff of the IDF), Shimon Peres (former defense minister), Ariel Sharon (former IDF general, former minister of defense), Yitzhak Rabin (former chief of staff of the IDF), Yitzhak Shamir (former Mossad agent). The only PM in the past 40 years who didn't have significant connections to the Israeli defense establishment was Ehud Olmert. (He didn't do anything significant beyond the compulsory military service.) If you look at the financial ties between Israeli government officials and major defense companies, things get even more mixed up.

The fact is that ever since the Camp David Accords and the agreement with Sadat, Israel was never again in danger of being wiped off the map. Sure, there were sporadic threats from groups like Hezbollah, but in these conflicts, Israel was always orders of magnitude more powerful than it's opponent. The Israeli government should have begun massively downsizing it's military, but it did not.

When you have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. When you have a huge military, every problem begins to look like one that should be solved by force. When you're country is led by dozens of ex-military and next to no one that was, say, ex-foreign ministry, macho man diplomacy becomes the rule. When you have a former commando negotiating prisoner swap with Palestinians rather than a former diplomat, you end up with commandos going in and rearresting the released prisoners [reuters.com] . This incident is just once symptom of a larger problem. The Israeli government hasn't just fallen victim to the pressures of the military-industrial complex; it is the military-industrial complex.

The Muslim world cares so much for the Palestinian (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542659)

But refuses to take them into their own countries.

The fact is that this has nothing to do with Israel, but the Jews. The Koran and the hadiths brim over with hatred for the jews. The origins go back to the founder himself - He Who Must Not Be Drawn - when the Jews of Arabia rejected him. Until then he was praying in the direction of Jerusalem, and then flipped over to Mecca.

Re:The Muslim world cares so much for the Palestin (1)

Clsid (564627) | about 3 months ago | (#47542999)

This is so true. While it is true that Israel is blocking one part of the border, the other side is being blocked by either Qatar or Egypt. All US allies in the region.

Re:The Muslim world cares so much for the Palestin (1)

CRCulver (715279) | about 3 months ago | (#47543031)

While it is true that Israel is blocking one part of the border, the other side is being blocked by either Qatar or Egypt. All US allies in the region.

Qatar is quite a ways away from the Levant. I think you meant "Jordan".

And for what it's worth, Israel controls the border between the West Bank and Jordan.

Re:The Muslim world cares so much for the Palestin (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543005)

Why should other countries have to take them in? What gives Israel the right to kick them out in the first place? (other than better guns)

Jews... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542675)

... control the media...

I'm surprised we've heard anything at all about the mass murderer of non-Jews by Jews, in Palestine, from the Jew-owned (i.e. 'mainstream') media.
Stinking, nation-wrecking Jewish parasites.

http://expeltheparasite.com/

No surprise (2)

powerpopolon (1781920) | about 3 months ago | (#47542785)

Here in France we have:

- Massive immigration from Arab countries (1)
- Extremely stupid and obedient journalists (2)
- Very active Jewish lobbies that successfully implanted the equation "criticism of Israel = antisemitism" into the brains of said journalists and politicians.

It's only logical a lot of people support the Palestinians and hate the journalists. It's also expected that journalists will describe these people as antisemitic.

(1) more accurately Maghreb i.e. Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria
(2) they make the US mainstream press look like an example of professionalism, rigor and skepticism towards government propaganda

Re:No surprise (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 3 months ago | (#47543093)

I think you forgot a higher level of anti-Semitism in france when compared to other European country's for example Denmark and the UK

War that cannot be settled (1)

The New Guy 2.0 (3497907) | about 3 months ago | (#47542835)

This war is one that might never end... there's two groups who seem to have equal claim on the same territory, and there's no good way to split it in half or otherwise avoid it... what are we in the USA supposed to do about it:? Doesn't seem like a problem we can solve right now.

Re:War that cannot be settled (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542899)

The USA can stop supporting israel and let the two groups fight it out on their own.

Re:War that cannot be settled (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543025)

The USA can stop supporting israel and let the two groups fight it out on their own.

Ha, the US is Israel's biggest sugar daddy. Aipac will see to it that the US will never cross Israel. Critic Israel's policy and you're tagged as being an enemy of the Jew. That's Aipac's philosophy. Just watch Obama, Hillary Clinton, Kerry and company go on to defend the indefensible. It's all absolutely pathetic.

Re:War that cannot be settled (2)

Clsid (564627) | about 3 months ago | (#47543009)

If the US would not block UN resolutions about Israel and UN peacekeepers could go into the ground that would do a lot more than what has been done so far. Truth is you guys don't care one bit, and the US government would rather support Israel in whatever crazy endeavour instead of siding with some dirt poor Arab people.

Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542841)

Just like most comments are removed from American media sites (you too /.).

Re:Amazing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542957)

Just like most comments are removed from American media sites (you too /.).

Not only on American news sites. The Guardian site for instance reports on Gaza and Israel but doesn't allow comments. The newspaper allows comments for all other things EXPECT the Isreali-Gaza conflict. It makes you think doesn't it ?

Islam will never accept the state of Israel (1)

illumined (3666963) | about 3 months ago | (#47542861)

The reason why comes down to their doomsday prophecies. In the Jewish (and Christian) prophecy the state of Israel returns. Needless to say for Islam this is not a situation they will tolerate simply because it makes someone else's superstitious nonsense look more legit than theirs.

The same problem in sweden (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47542983)

When the leader of swedens biggest political party expressed a moderate view on the conflict, basicly said that both sides need to calm the fuck down and that it's not unreasonable that Israel defends itself against the rocket attacks, this was about a week ago just before the current escalation.
His facebook page was bombarded with anti-semite comments from mainly socialist/marxist groups and muslims. One blogger even made a paper analyzing where the hate came from.

Scale and proportion. (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | about 3 months ago | (#47543027)

This sickening content is peculiar to this conflict. The war in Syria does not trigger these kinds of comments.

The war in Syria doesn't involve a nuclear state casually bulldozing civilian houses, complete with civilians inside, all because a handful of pesky terrorists keep lobbing ineffective bombs into empty fields.

Israel's problem really boils down to a matter of proportion. Yes, they have an unenviable situation to deal with; but they have chosen to respond in a way that makes them look like monsters (to the point that even many Jewish Israelis consider their government's behavior nothing short of reprehensible). When you cook ants with a magnifying glass, no one blames the ants, even if one or two do manage to sting you.


As for the FP's hypothetical French forum moderator - You count as part of the problem. When people can freely say things such as what I wrote above, they can contribute to the discussion, sometimes even vent a bit, and move on. When, however, fairly peaceful discussion vanishes under some bullshit pretense of racism - People then feel the need to escalate the impact of their few words making it through to other eyes.

Selective outrage is ugly (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47543079)

The government of Syria has killed more of its civilians in the past few years than israeli army has killed Arabs and Palestinians in every war and struggle in its entire history of 64 years. Where is the outrage? The Syrian government targets people based on politics but also religion. It uses chemical weapons, it uses fuel air explosives, and wide dispersal shrapnel bombs in civilian neighborhoods without warning. It uses widespread rape against men, women and children as a weapon of government control. It even lay siege to Palestinian refugee camp containing thousands in Syria for weeks intentionally cutting food and medical starving thousands of civilians because they supported the opposition. Where is the outrage? Where are the marches and protestors? Where are the anti-fascists and human rights organizers? Why doesn't anyone bother comment on this?

It's not because the Syria story is under reported. When people express selective extreme outrage about Israel, and ignore far worse there is a word for it, and the word isn't pretty.

By the way, just for the record, Syria is still a member in good standing of the un human rights council and was the first country to speak to condemn israel when the council voted a new commission to condemn israel. Keep that in mind when you think about the farce that is the UN and its pronouncements.

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