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Satellite Images Show Russians Shelling Ukraine

timothy posted about 3 months ago | from the one-for-all-and-what's-the-password? dept.

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U.S. officials today made public satellite imagery which they say proves that Russian forces have been shelling eastern Ukraine in a campaign to assist rebel groups fighting Ukraine’s government. The U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which released the civilian-taken satellite images Sunday, said they show visual evidence that Russia has been firing shells across the border at Ukrainian military forces. Officials also said the images show that Russia-backed separatists have used heavy artillery, provided by Russia, in attacks on Ukrainian forces from inside Ukraine. One image dated July 25/26 shows what DNI claims is “ground scarring” on the Russian side of the border from artillery aimed at Ukrainian military units in Ukraine, as well as the resultant ground craters on the Ukrainian side of the border:

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So (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545063)

Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.

Great... (5, Insightful)

NicBenjamin (2124018) | about 3 months ago | (#47545065)

The side that apparently blew a 300-civilian passenger jet out of the sky because they're too dumb to know what a Boeing looks like is getting direct military support from a major regional power which just happens to have nuclear weapons.

And I thought my hometown of Detroit was fucked.

Re:Great... (-1, Flamebait)

triclipse (702209) | about 3 months ago | (#47545117)

Great, more Mericans who believe whatever the media-military complex tells them.

Re:Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545159)

Well why don't you school us, chief?

Re:Great... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545361)

The rabbit-hole goes deep. Do you not know the depth of US government corruption?

Company In Which US Vice President Joe Biden’s Son Is Director Prepares To Drill Shale Gas In East Ukraine
http://www.globalresearch.ca/company-in-which-us-vice-president-joe-bidens-son-is-director-prepares-to-drill-shale-gas-in-east-ukraine/5393403

So the Vice President of the United States of America has a son, Hunter, who was installed on the board of Ukraine's largest gas producer in May. That
producer is now preparing to drill shale gas in east Ukraine.
That the US MSM reports little or not at all on this is lying by omission. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!

Re:Great... (0, Troll)

superwiz (655733) | about 3 months ago | (#47545467)

It's not like there is a shortage of places to drill for shale oil. Russia is definitely, without a doubt or a question, the villain here. Russia is not a state sponsor of terrorism. Russia today is a terrorist state.

Re:Great... (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 3 months ago | (#47545197)

presumably then Adlai just made up the U2 pics they showed the UN then :-)

Re:Great... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545207)

Obviously the US doctored the publically available satellite footage. And you know, since they're the only people in the world with satellites, nobody else can see if they're telling the truth. So of course it's an evil mitilary conspiracy, because they have so much to gain here by lying about a civil war across the world. Obviously.

Re:Great... (2)

solidraven (1633185) | about 3 months ago | (#47545305)

Sure, so not a single European country has satellites either?

Re:Great... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545395)

I'm not an American. I'm not even from the west and I think Russia is responsible.

Re:Great... (-1, Flamebait)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 3 months ago | (#47545137)

Drunk, possibly also dumb. These are Russians we're talking about.

Re:Great... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545175)

You cannot even speak english correctly and you think you're entitled to question someone else's sobriety?

Re:Great... (-1, Flamebait)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 3 months ago | (#47545389)

Russians. So no question about their sobriety. They are/were drunk.

Re:Great... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545189)

Well probably more like the redneck equivalent....

Re:Great... (2)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 3 months ago | (#47545281)

Well, the morons at the crash site were drunk enough for that to make it to the investigators' reports.

Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545161)

This submission is pretty much irrelevant here at Slashdot.

Satellite imagery has been in use since the 1950s and 1960s. It's not new technology. It wasn't news in the 1970s, for crying out loud! There's no reason for this useless submission to be on the Slashdot front page.

I come here to get science, technology and computing news that I don't find in the mainstream media. I come here to engage in discussion about such news relating directly to science, technology and computing.

I do not come to Slashdot to read about purely political articles, especially when it involves petty disputes in second-world shitholes half-way around the globe. Their strife is totally irrelevant here.

If I want to read about crap like this submission, then I will go to one of the many other news web sites out there that cater to general news. But that's not what I'm doing. I'm coming to Slashdot because I want relevant news about technology, science and computing. So give us relevant articles, please, and not nonsense like this.

Re: Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (1)

tgrigsby (164308) | about 3 months ago | (#47545195)

A) There have been political articles on Slashdot for as long as I've been a subscriber. Might as well get used to it.

B) Didn't want to read it? Then why did you?

Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (1, Insightful)

cold fjord (826450) | about 3 months ago | (#47545203)

Maybe it would help if you could tell us who it was that forced you to read and comment on this item?

Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 3 months ago | (#47545239)

You could have saved some typing by not opening the article. But then you would not have been able to write this long pointless OT rant.

Why the fuck are you on Slashdot? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545295)

Great, another "WITO/." post. Don't you have something better to do? Like pick the dingles out of your cat's ass?

Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (1)

ddtmm (549094) | about 3 months ago | (#47545297)

I agree to an extent. It's not really what this site is about.

Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545313)

you could just skip this article yanno.
i for one enjoy the geopol + compsci/tech offered on this wonderous site

Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (1)

unitron (5733) | about 3 months ago | (#47545331)

"This submission is pretty much irrelevant here at Slashdot."

Yeah, nobody here cares about a 21st century Sarajevo.

Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545455)

Way to ignore the issue at hand, dickwad. People here who want to read about politics can go get that information from CNN, BBC, MSNBC, CBS News, FOX News, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle, Reuters, or any of the thousands upon thousands of other general news providers. Most of those places allow discussion, as well.

Slashdot is a lot like ESPN, however. Each has a pretty specific focus, and neither of them really overlaps with general news about a rather insignificant and isolated border incident in the very, very far reaches of Eastern Europe.

Those who edit ESPN's content would not be stupid enough to report this story, given that it has absolutely nothing to do with sports, especially while their audience is expecting content focused solely on sports.

Similarly, those who edit Slashdot's content shouldn't be stupid enough to report this story, given that it has pretty much nothing to do with modern science, technology, or computing, especially when the audience here is expecting content focused solely on modern science, technology and computing.

Re:Why the fuck is this on Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545523)

*Stuff that matters. This matters. A lot.

Re:Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545187)

I bet you could not tell the difference between a civilian plane and a military plane flying at 30,000 feet over a war zone either.

So based on YOUR obvious stupidity, we should all be worried the USA has nukes too.

Bet he can't tell ... (4, Insightful)

perpenso (1613749) | about 3 months ago | (#47545345)

I bet you could not tell the difference between a civilian plane and a military plane flying at 30,000 feet over a war zone either.

I bet he can't tell them apart either, but I also bet he wouldn't fire a missile at it. *Firing a missile anyway* is the important thing here, not a failure to identify the aircraft.

Re:Great... (4, Insightful)

tlambert (566799) | about 3 months ago | (#47545563)

I bet you could not tell the difference between a civilian plane and a military plane flying at 30,000 feet over a war zone either.

I could. The civilian plane would have a radar transponder that said "Hi, I am Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17".

Re:Great... (1)

SchroedingersCat (583063) | about 3 months ago | (#47545657)

Except targeting radar of the missile launcher has no such capability. It locks on target and then fires automatically or waits for command.

Re:Great... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545303)

Ugmm, haven't you been watching the news. A Malaysian jet knowingly and delibrately flew into an innocent russian missle that was minding its own business. The honorable president Putin is demanding an appology from Malasia and the Ukraine for the destruction of it costly missile. The USAians response to this event is completely opposite to what would have happened 20 years ago. What has changed? We (the USA) became part of the global league of economic partners who strive for transcendent harmony and economic prosperity through translateral partnerships both domestically and abroad. What that means is the Russian oligarchs have invested majorly in the USian economy and news outlets. Not only will the USA not keep illegals out of the country, it will do nothing to combat the russian bear, if it would hurt our economic partnerships. The USA is not an country, it is just a few of those points of lights that bush senior was talking about soo long ago.

The USA died in 2008 when Ron Paul lost the canidicy.

Re:Great... (4, Insightful)

viperidaenz (2515578) | about 3 months ago | (#47545451)

Not only could they not tell it was Boeing, it was flying at over 33,000 feet. The other military planes they were targeting can't even fly over 20,000 feet. Those were turboprops and fighter jets.

Re:Great... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545603)

Rebels downed a plane flying at 24,000 feet just a day before. Why ukranians did not close airspace for commercial traffic after that is beyond my comprehension.

Re:Great... (2)

TWX (665546) | about 3 months ago | (#47545659)

Uh, the airlines are well aware of the geopolitical situation, they could have chosen to alter their flightpath if they wanted.

Re:Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545549)

The Americans are getting support from Israel?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

If Americans can fake the Moon Landing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545069)

Then surely it is no surprise that they can fake some artillery shelling. Photoshop has gotten a lot better over the past few decades.

What a surprise. (1, Redundant)

Todd Palin (1402501) | about 3 months ago | (#47545075)

Wow. What a surprise. Russia is involved in the conflict in Ukraine.

GET THIS CRAP OFF OF SLASHDOT! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545191)

SON OF A BITCH, TIMOTHY! I don't come to Slashdot to read about Russians and Ukrainians engaging in YET ANOTHER pathetic battle. Son of a bitch, they've been going after one another for CENTURIES! It isn't news. It especially isn't news that should be submitted here to Slashdot, and thus it obviously shouldn't be news that ends up on the Slashdot front page. Man, it was useless political bickering that ruined reddit. There's no need to bring that stupidity over here to Slashdot, goddamn it!

KEEP SLASHDOT ABOUT MATH, PHYSICS, SCIENCE, PROGRAMMING, SOFTWARE, HARDWARE, AND STUFF THAT REALLY MATTERS!

Re: GET THIS CRAP OFF OF SLASHDOT! (1)

tgrigsby (164308) | about 3 months ago | (#47545205)

If you don't want to read it, go to the next article.

Re:GET THIS CRAP OFF OF SLASHDOT! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545283)

SON OF A BITCH, TIMOTHY! I don't come to Slashdot to read about some Saudi Arabian engaging in YET ANOTHER terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. Son of a bitch, they've been doing this for a decade now! It isn't news just because they're flying planes into the buildings now. It especially isn't news that should be submitted here to Slashdot, and thus it obviously shouldn't be news that ends up on the Slashdot front page. Man, it was useless political bickering that ruined reddit. There's no need to bring that stupidity over here to Slashdot, goddamn it!

Re:GET THIS CRAP OFF OF SLASHDOT! (1)

umghhh (965931) | about 3 months ago | (#47545405)

you must admit that this military conflict is somewhat different from previous ones in that many sides to the conflict resort to media campaigns using interwebs etc that is the scale that I personally have not seen before. If not for any other reason it is interesting to have it on /. and run statistics on he bitching from each side....

Re:GET THIS CRAP OFF OF SLASHDOT! (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 3 months ago | (#47545555)

Ha? Actually, no, Russians and Ukrainians have only had one conflict and it was very, very minor. Traditionally, there were always the closest of allies. If Russia's invasion of Georgia was Putin's Czechoslovakia (because Putin has turned Russia into a fascist state), then Ukraine's would be Putin's Austria (going back to the Hitler analogy). Oh, and the fact that satellites were used to expose Russian lies does make this about benefits of technology. So putting it on Slashdot is not outrageous.

Re:What a surprise. (1, Insightful)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 3 months ago | (#47545201)

It's still a question in most of eastern Europe. Russians got their propaganda machine in full spin mode... and it's working.

Re:What a surprise. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545245)

Just like Uranus has always been at work with Maipanis.

Re:What a surprise. (2, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about 3 months ago | (#47545573)

US Government: "Russia caught attacking another country - the nerve!"

World responds with skeptical glances from all corners.

Weakest US President ever (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545115)

So what are they going to do about it? Give another speech about how Russia is acting against its own interest?

Gaza can send thousands of rockets targeting Iraeli citizens and they won't even say a word.
Iran can make nuclear weapons and they won't even say a word.
Russia can take over Crimea and they get bashed harshly with... a speech.
ISIS can take over Iraq and kill thousands and they won't say a word.
Any country depending on the US for support is lost and left to fend for themselves.

However, if you DARE mention the government should cut a dime of spending you will be labled a terrorist and the IRS, and DOJ will be used illegally to harrass you and oppress you. This administration is far harsher on peaceful critics of its policies than it is on genocide or mass killings of allies.

What a joke.

Re:Weakest US President ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545225)

So tell us. Just how many chromosomes are you missing?

Re:Weakest US President ever (2, Funny)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 3 months ago | (#47545433)

Dude, you've got extras, just accept it.

Re:Weakest US President ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545621)

Yeah, well you fight like a cow!

Re:Weakest US President ever (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545247)

Well, the US could declare war on Russia and be reduced to radioactive ash in 5 minutes, if you prefer.

Weakest Russia ever (5, Insightful)

joh (27088) | about 3 months ago | (#47545403)

Wreck their economy. It worked once and the way Russia acts it would work again, no doubt. Russia has only a GDP a little better than Italy and less than Germany, France or the UK. They are utterly weak and exactly because they know it they have to act like a bully. Russia is a dwarf trying to convince itself it is a giant by making others think it is.

Re:Weakest Russia ever (3, Interesting)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 3 months ago | (#47545469)

Russian domestic politics are a bitch.

They're all drunk and angry. Putin has to continue pretending to be a world power, or the anger will land on him.

Considering they die so young (pickled on Vodka), the last living memory of their world power days should be dying soon.

They should settle down to being a 3rd world resource exporter soon.

Re:Weakest Russia ever (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545559)

Wreck their economy. It worked once and the way Russia acts it would work again, no doubt. Russia has only a GDP a little better than Italy and less than Germany, France or the UK. They are utterly weak and exactly because they know it they have to act like a bully. Russia is a dwarf trying to convince itself it is a giant by making others think it is.

The reason Europe wont back harsher sanctions is because if they do it will have the cascade effect of damaging their own economies because Russia and all the countries of Europe economies are all linked fairly tightly, along with the fact Russia exports a huge amount on natural gas to western Europe and if that got cut off in response to sanctions it would make things even worse so the sanctions in place target political and industrial leaders in Russia.

Re:Weakest Russia ever (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 3 months ago | (#47545585)

Because it's working so well in stopping the North Korean military complex? Despite the idiocy of contemplating a nuclear exchange, it's a legitimate question. What can the US do other than arming Ukraine. But even that didn't work in Georgia. The fecklessness of this President is the reason we have lost resolve. And the Russian propaganda is the reason that Russians are willing to go to war despite the losses that they know will follow.

Re:Weakest Russia ever (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545597)

You live in a fairy world where the US is "strong" and everybody else is "weak". You cannot "wreck" the russian economy, simply because Russia has ANY natural resources one can think of. They will always be able to substitute imports with internal production. Furthermore, business ties with China make it immune from any "sanctions" coming from the west, as their own present behaviour is proving.

Russia has had almost 15 years of economic boom after the '90s disasters caused by Yeltsin, who had followed economic advice coming from the US and the IMF (privatize everything, remove tariffs and price controls, bla...bla...bla...). How? Putin re-nationalized several companies that had been unfairly privatized, re-set tariffs on imports for strategic sectors of the economy, enforced a "buy russian" policy, jailed some billionaires (something that cannot even be imagined in the US...), and finally had its country growing again. Even 5-year plans were recreated, even if with a different name. Not a switch-back to Communism, but what the french would call "dirigisme". As a result, Russian per-capita GDP doubled in the last 10 years, real salaries almost tripled. As well as the defense budget...

Re:Weakest US President ever (0)

rconaway (1001967) | about 3 months ago | (#47545311)

You are preaching to the choir. Obama is simply a coward and doesn't have the courage or competence to make a decision. If you don't fawn over him. he doesn't know how to handle it.

Re:Weakest US President ever (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545535)

Your singing sucks. You should probably AFK and rage quit life.

Re:Weakest US President ever (2)

cavreader (1903280) | about 3 months ago | (#47545623)

Obama's foreign policy decisions have basically been exactly what a majority of it's citizens want. It's not pretty by any means but he is fulfilling his promises in this one area of state.

Re:Weakest US President ever (1)

thrich81 (1357561) | about 3 months ago | (#47545461)

Holy crap, this AC got modded up +2 already? I notice on this story that the stupidest comments so far are all ACs. There should be a rule that whenever someone says how some leader here or there is screwing up, then the commenter is required to say how they would do it better. As everyone who has made it there seems to have found out once elected President of the USA (or Prime Minister of somewhere else), the problems are a lot more complicated when you actually have to deal with them and then the fallout (maybe literally in this case) from your actions. This parent AC is a troll and should be modded as such.

Re:Weakest US President ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545479)

Yawn... Conservative trolling is so boring.

Re:Weakest US President ever (4, Insightful)

Ogive17 (691899) | about 3 months ago | (#47545483)

Mid-east fighting, 2000 years and going strong. Yes, clearly not having peace there is Obama's fault...

I just don't get this bravado from some Americans that think we should be directly involved in every conflict around the globe. Ironically, all these global conflicts are a huge drain on the national treasury. Can't cut the budgets and join a few wars at the same time.

Re:Weakest US President ever (1, Insightful)

gtall (79522) | about 3 months ago | (#47545679)

Try 6000 years. They were bashing each other over the head way back then as well according to the ancient history book I read.

The wars aren't what's bankrupting the budget, it is the 2/3 of "non-discretionary" expenses that are dong that job quite nicely.

The U.S. is involved world wide because the U.S. has defense agreements and economic interests world wide. The U.S. had their head stuck up their ass before WW II and then WW II happened. It happened because "the world" didn't have the balls to stop German and Japanese aggression when it would have been easy.

Currently, Putin and Muslim radicals and Chinese expansionism will create another fucking world-wide mess, and two of them have nuclear weapons. As soon as Pakistan drops their panties for the radicals, the Muslim jihadis will have them as well. It's going to be wonderful world.

Re:Weakest US President ever (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545487)

So what are they going to do about it? Give another speech about how Russia is acting against its own interest?

Gaza can send thousands of rockets targeting Iraeli citizens and they won't even say a word.
Iran can make nuclear weapons and they won't even say a word.
Russia can take over Crimea and they get bashed harshly with... a speech.
ISIS can take over Iraq and kill thousands and they won't say a word.
Any country depending on the US for support is lost and left to fend for themselves.

However, if you DARE mention the government should cut a dime of spending you will be labled a terrorist and the IRS, and DOJ will be used illegally to harrass you and oppress you. This administration is far harsher on peaceful critics of its policies than it is on genocide or mass killings of allies.

What a joke.

Out of all those conflicts you posted I can not think of a single one worth the life of even 1 member of the US military. Lets Europe take care of itself, let Saudia Arabia and the other gulf states take care of Iran and the sunni, shia conflict. The USA has been the worlds police force for too many decades, we need to take care of things here at home. Everytime we try to intervene in another country's conflicts since WWII it has been a disaster except perhaps the 1991 Gulf War, President Obama is keeping us out of conflicts we do not need to fight. You call it weakness. I call it wisdom.

Re:Weakest US President ever (4, Insightful)

ljw1004 (764174) | about 3 months ago | (#47545511)

* Gaza can send thousands of rockets targeting Israeli citizens and they won't even say a word.

Affects Americans right now? -- no. Is there a clear course of action in this conflict that will be best for America in the future? -- no.

* Iran can make nuclear weapons and they won't even say a word.

Affects Americans right now? -- no. Is there a clear course of action in this conflict that will be best for America in the future? -- no.

* Russia can take over Crimea and they get bashed harshly with... a speech.

Affects Americans right now? -- no. Is there a clear course of action in this conflict that will be best for America in the future? -- no.

*ISIS can take over Iraq and kill thousands and they won't say a word.

Affects Americans right now? -- no. Is there a clear course of action in this conflict that will be best for America in the future? -- no.

Now here's a bullet point that you didn't mention:

* Ubiquitous healthcare for Americans

Affects Americans right now? -- YES! Was it a clear course of action that will be best for America in the future? -- YES!

Weakest US President ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545525)

So what are they going to do about it? Give another speech about how Russia is acting against its own interest?

Gaza can send thousands of rockets targeting Iraeli citizens and they won't even say a word.

Israel seems to be taking pretty good care of the problem judging by the kill ration which stands to about 25:1 and the massive destruction in Gaza. Oh and in case you haven't been here for the past 60 or so years Israel has been getting and continues to get substantial help from US. So has been Egypt and Jordan, which has made them quite the allies.

Iran can make nuclear weapons and they won't even say a word.

Actually the combination of sanctions with the recent push for negotiations has made Iran revisit their position on the nuclear weapons and this issues seems very likely to be resolved soon

Russia can take over Crimea and they get bashed harshly with... a speech.

There have been sanctions which keep expanding and seem to have some effect on slowing down Putin's ambitions. Would you rather prefer that US and Russia exchange nuclear strikes?

ISIS can take over Iraq and kill thousands and they won't say a word.

Oh, and whose fault is it that ISIS is so rampant in Iraq? It wouldnÃ(TM)t be that some other president started a war under false pretext which ignited sectarian conflict that allowed Al-QaÃ(TM)ida and ISIS to flourish? So what is the solution? Send the whole US army for another 5 to 10 years??

Any country depending on the US for support is lost and left to fend for themselves.

That is false on its face. US has been dishing international support, both financial and military, to prety much everyone that ahs asked for starting from Asia (Taiwan, South Korea), through the Middle East (Egypt, Israel, Pakistan, Jordan, Iraq...) to Eastern Europe (Poland, the Balkans, the Baltic Republics, Georgia...). Oh, I forgot half of South America (war on drugs and such)

In conclusion you sir are a joke, an idiot and a shill.

Re:Weakest US President ever (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545553)

Wants President to do everything in the world, doesn't want to pay for it. Definitely sounds like a shill.

Good idea, we should get involved in 4 land wars (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545615)

Since it worked out so well the last time we followed the tough guys' words into two countries at the same time, now we should jump on your advice and invade Gaza, Iran, Russia, and Iraq/Syria.

Maybe we'll think better with our heads blown off.

Weakest US President ever (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545645)

Troll of course, I assume :)

If not: Jesus you're so far out of touch it's scary. The culture that produced you is seriously broken.

(Actually it could go either way I guess :)

Oh, bore off (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545123)

Is that really what you call "evidence" in the US? All I see is a series of confused images with some black dots that could easily be exchanged for insects or bacteria seen in a microscope. Not to mention that recently Ukraine "accidentally" shelled several russian border checkpoints, even causing the death of a russian officer (oops! Didn't american media report that?), so this would be a legitimate reaction anyways.

Furthermore, I have irrefutable evidence that the United States of America invaded a sovereign country in central middle-east named Iraq on the basis of made-up "evidence" of non-existing weapons of mass destructions, killed more than 100K (one-hundred-thousand) civilians, removed its legitimate authorities, and finally left it in a mess that led to the current civil war.

There's one single thing that the american government should finally learn to do: shut the fuck up. Now.

Re:Oh, bore off (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545171)

u mad bro?

Re:Oh, bore off (0)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | about 3 months ago | (#47545269)

Iraq on the basis of made-up "evidence" of non-existing weapons of mass destructions

You are probably unaware that chemical weapons are defined as WMDs in all the treaties related to WMDs.

And you are likely also unaware that Hussein used chemical weapons against his Kurdish population.

You are most likely also unaware that some chemical weapons were found when the US Army moved into Iraq.

Note that all those things were mentioned in the news at the time (at the time meant the Clinton Presidency in the first two cases, the Bush one for the third case), but presumably you don't (or can't) read the news either.

Which is why, presumably, you're still blathering about non-existant WMDs in Iraq.

Re:Oh, bore off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545347)

Do you realize that - outside the US - all your hilarious "burps" would be good for late night comedy shows?

If the US didn't have veto power inside the UN Security Council both Bush and Obama would have already been deported to The Hague, in front of the International Criminal Court.

Re:Oh, bore off (2)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 3 months ago | (#47545495)

Real veto is nukes and aircraft carrier groups. If your nation doesn't have any, accept your new limited sovereignty.

Re:Oh, bore off (3, Insightful)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | about 3 months ago | (#47545447)

The reason we're still "blathering about non-existant [sic] WMDS" is because "WMD" is a shorthand for "nukes". The yellowcake uranium evidence, the aluminum tubes that "were intended as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium", the quote "we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud".

All of the WMD arguments for war were in the context of nukes, not chemical weapons.

So yes, you're technically correct - which is the best kind of correct - but you're also missing the point. None of the WMDs that we were warned about were found.

Not to mention if chemical weapons were a casus belli, just about every country in the world would be a legitimate target.

Re:Oh, bore off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545537)

You are most likely also unaware that some chemical weapons were found when the US Army moved into Iraq.

Citation please?

Re:Oh, bore off (1)

umghhh (965931) | about 3 months ago | (#47545661)

yes indeed Iraq used chemical weapons against Kurds and earlier against Iran. There is some evidence that Iraq used smallpox i.e. biological agents against Iran during the war too. Yet the search for WMD after the second Iraq-US war did not yield any evidence and that is what we are talking about. The way the whole operation was started is already a pattern in US approach to military interventions - try to misinform as much as possible, make impossible claims and then say that because requests were not satisfactory fulfilled sends the marines. Outright lies to UN security council however are rare. Besides WMD there were also these claims that Iraq helps Al Qaida for which eventually there was no evidence either - FF to today and we see ISIS that seems to be more radical that al qaida that US tried to remove from Iraq.

So much unnecessary trouble (5, Funny)

troll -1 (956834) | about 3 months ago | (#47545125)

Why can't they be like the UK and Scotland where they all sit down and discuss it over a nice cup of tea? Then if they want their independence they can have it. No big fuss.

Re:So much unnecessary trouble (5, Insightful)

CRCulver (715279) | about 3 months ago | (#47545231)

With the UK and Scotland, no politician's life depends on the outcome. Whatever happens with the Scottish referendum, the people in office now expect to eventually depart from office and enter some cushy retirement position.

With Russia, Putin cannot afford to back down from a display of military might: it keeps his support among the masses high, and intimidates other post-Soviet states like Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan which he hopes to bring into his Eurasian Union. If Putin were to back down and support a peaceful resolution whose outcome might not satisfy Russian nationalists, he could find himself out of power. It's not a matter of him being done in by the West like a Saddam or Milosevic; that claim of Western conspiracy against him is just played for the cameras. The fact is that he's got enough enemies within Russian elite circles, he's pissed too many people off, that if his hold on power weakens, he'll certainly end up imprisoned or dead.

Re:So much unnecessary trouble (1, Interesting)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about 3 months ago | (#47545277)

Because this was never about independence. Russia installed their own primer minister to prevent Ukrain from joining the EU. But he sucked. The EU and the US helped stage a Coup and installed their own pro-west leader in the hopes of getting Ukrain in the EU. No way Russia is letting that happen. The EU has its own problems but they pale in comparison to Russias. The last thing Putin wants is a country with a lot of relatives of Russians getting the EU treatment and finding out how nice it is to be out of their largely lawless, virtual dictatorship of a state.

Re:So much unnecessary trouble (3, Interesting)

superwiz (655733) | about 3 months ago | (#47545609)

Because Russia has a serious problem with low birth rates. Ukraine has a 50 million Russian speaking population. For Russia, conquering Ukraine is a matter of long-term survival. The fact that they are doing it through military means instead of simply opening the boarder between the 2 countries is the biggest military blunder in modern Russian history. They have turned a friendly population into enemies.... all in the hopes of reuniting the 2 countries. It's worse than a crime. It's a mistake.

Obama (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545237)

Hardly surprising. The last time the Russians got this aggressive was their invasion of Afghanistan under Jimmy Carter of Most Unpleasant Memory.

When Americans are stupid enough to elect a wimp, the nasties of the world get aggressive. And in the case of Obama, we're looking at a superwimp.

These two pictures convey the problem perfectly. First Obama, helmet and momma jeans on a paved sidewalk:

http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/06_16/obama_bike.jpg

Now Putin on a horse not bothering with helmets, a shirt or pavement:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01456/horse_1456083i.jpg

All we're waiting for is an incident like Carter's encounter with that "killer rabbit" that was immortalized in this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFAOCBY8zrI

Re:Obama (1)

unitron (5733) | about 3 months ago | (#47545397)

Yeah, that Bin Laden guy saw the bike picture and laughed his head off at weak, ineffectual Obama.

Memory Troubles: (5, Informative)

Hartree (191324) | about 3 months ago | (#47545475)

"The last time the Russians got this aggressive was their invasion of Afghanistan under Jimmy Carter"

I think you're forgetting that they invaded Georgia when George W. Bush was president.

I think that counts as pretty aggressive.

obviously a NATO plot (0)

sribe (304414) | about 3 months ago | (#47545253)

I'm sure the Western aggressors are shelling Ukraine from inside Russia, as part of their insidious plot to estrange Ukraine from Russia. No really, give it another 5 minutes and the Putin apologists will be claiming this.

Re:obviously a NATO plot (0)

ericloewe (2129490) | about 3 months ago | (#47545329)

Almost as outrageous as "Ukrainian government forces smuggled a Buk deep into rebel-held territory; used it to shoot down the 777 that was abducted doing flight MH370 and had been filled with dead bodies, flyign on autopilot; and smuggled the Buk right out of there."

This is some of the drivel being spread around by conspiracy theorists, russian shills and russian conspiracy theorist shills.

Re:obviously a NATO plot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545671)

Would you try to suck each others dicks now? This seems to be a beginning of a nice friendship.

Say what you want (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545255)

Nobody believes you except for the fools and the gullible. US == liars. Obama == Hitler.

Hm, maybe the got WMDs there . . . just saying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545327)

Aluminum tubes? Yellowcake? Halliburton needs some cash? All valid reasons, you know. And would this be a bad thing? Putin spending TRILLIONS of Rubles for regime change?

Barely credible (0, Troll)

Arker (91948) | about 3 months ago | (#47545333)

And frankly does not matter even if it were true.

If Chinese backed neo-nazis took over Mexico city and threw the country into a civil war, I wouldnt be surprised if we gave the loyalists a little discrete help here and there as well.

Re:Barely credible (1)

HornWumpus (783565) | about 3 months ago | (#47545545)

Sorry; your claims aren't close to 'barely credible'.

Re:Barely credible (1)

superwiz (655733) | about 3 months ago | (#47545631)

But Russia is the neo-fascist country. So your analogy does not work.

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545379)

In Soviet Russia, you shell artillery. Or is it artillery shells you? I just felt this needs an In Soviet Russia comment though.

The roots of the current crisis .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545383)

The roots of the current crisis was when the Ukraine applied to join NATA and NATA planning to site missile systems in Poland and the Czech Republic.

so sophisticated! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545409)

Since you seem to have the equipment, now show us some evidence about what happened to the MH17 flight.

Thanks Obama! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545491)

Now grow a pair and actually do something about it.

and Saddam had WMD and supported Osama (1)

umghhh (965931) | about 3 months ago | (#47545521)

If US did use fabricated 'evidence' and lied to UN few years back maybe this time I would believe. I think it was Klausewitz that used term 'fog of war' I think today media are as valid weapon as they were before but this time we all swim in digital informational garbage. I wonder only what is the reason: incompetence, not having a hot conflict at the moment, need to think about European customers of shell gas from Murica, compassion for democratic and human rights loving government in Kiev??? Who knows.

I do not trust the autocrat in Moscow. I do not trust his military and I have a good reason for that. Yet I find it odd that our support for Kiev is so strong and without any conditions. Last time this happened in Europe - the results was a civil war in Yugoslavia and besides all the piles of corpses in Bosnia an ethnic cleansing of Krajina - something that nobody seems to remember anymore.

News for whom? (1)

Kohath (38547) | about 3 months ago | (#47545543)

Were the satellites running Linux or something?

Funny (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545575)

The USA can release images that proved Russia is shelling Ukraine, but hey are not capable to release the proves that the rebels/separatists shot down the airliner, even though they told us like a hundred times that they have irrefutable prove?

And this from the country that is drone-bombing the world ... Seriously, do these people actually listen to themselves?

captcha: inheres

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545617)

s/proves/proofs/

Captcha: frauds

Google maps please? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545605)

I spent a good 30min try to find the highlighted region on Google Maps. Couldn't find it. Any help?

We've heard this story before (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47545635)

The US Government also had "overwhelming" evidence that Saddam Hussein had yellowcake or was about to get it, and that Iraq was overflowing with WMD's.

We also heard that the US Government was no way tracking everyone, and didn't even have the capability to monitor every email and phone call in the US.

It's nothing but a continuous stream of bullshit form the US government. They are not to be trusted. Period.

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