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Star Trek: Enterprise Reactions?

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the exit-poll dept.

Television 1689

So, what did you think of it? The theme song has to go. Commander Tucker ("Kumanduh Tuckah") needs to get a personality other than "he'll be just like McCoy, only clumsy and stupid". Is it really necessary to rehash "cold emotionless Vulcans vs. thoughtless, reckless humans"? That plot device was old thirty years ago and it's physically painful to watch now. How can armor plating go "offline"? Electromagnetic shields maybe, but one of the virtues of a hunk of steel is that it doesn't go "offline". And what's with the soft porn? I was waiting for the bow-chicka-bow-wow music to kick in. CT: I didn't get to see it! I don't get UPN! Curses!

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1689 comments

yeah (-1, Troll)

illaqueate (416118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356070)

tits..

er, i mean, it sucked.

Re:yeah (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356108)

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frist psot!!1! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356071)

I'm so 1337

First Post? (-1, Offtopic)

TresTresMondoMod (319320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356072)

First POst yo!!

first "TOS was best" comment on the story (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356073)

Yeehaw!

#Enterprise on EFNet (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356074)

For anyone lacking UPN affliliates.

FE released the preair (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356091)

http://www.isonews.com/release.php3?releaseid=3240 5

So I suggest you try #FE on EFNet instead.

Still waiting for a proper release tho...

URL filter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356112)

Go here [isonews.com] for the above link.

Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal? Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal. Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal!

Re:#Enterprise on EFNet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356141)

Good ol' #StarTrek on EFNet!

Now featuring new and improved Kirk vs. Picard vs. Archer debates!

:)

Wasn't that... (3, Troll)

HighJack (20546) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356078)

Quantuum Leap? Where was Al throughout the whole show. Kinda disappointed me. And he only did the leap thing once. Oh well.

Re:Wasn't that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356129)

I'm suprised they didn't find out that ziggy the computer was offline.

Just a tad early... (3, Redundant)

Jayde Stargunner (207280) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356080)

Maybe you should wait until everyone in the US has had a chance to watch it Mr. Eastern Standard Time. :-P

-Jayde

Re:Just a tad early... (5, Funny)

jiheison (468171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356097)

Mr. Eastern Standard Time

Damn him!

First he rigs the election, and now this!

Re:Just a tad early... (1)

crimoid (27373) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356106)

Should I even watch it now? I'm afraid the show is now completely spoiled for me. Drat! Oh well, back to my Voyager reruns.

Way too early, wait till Saturday please. (2)

kjj (32549) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356197)

In my market it won't be on until Saturday evening. Check www.wfft.com and go to Saturday the 29th and you see it there on the schedule (yes UPN shows are actually run on the FOX network here). So to really be safe the article should not have any details about the commanders or anything. I want to find out about the characters for myself. I know movies don't come out the same time for everyone and Slashdot generally has kept the spoilers inside.

FIRST POST!! (0, Offtopic)

asklepius (456552) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356082)

t'pau has nice silicon t*ts -- i didn't know vulcans were allowed to get breast implants!

It was interesting... (2, Insightful)

DragonPup (302885) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356086)

I am going to give it a few more weeks before I give it real judgement. The Enterprise's deisgn was pretty cool looking from the outside, imho.

Oh, the Vulcan chick is hot :-)

-Henry

The Vulcan Chick (1)

bajcsi (236890) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356145)

She is in Maxim this month. wow...

Re:The Vulcan Chick - Link (5, Informative)

jiheison (468171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356207)

Jolene Blalock. [maximonline.com]

Zounds.

Damn this compression filter!

Bad Chemistry (1)

Paul Neubauer (86753) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356087)

Ok, the music needs an overhaul, and someone (at best) is mistaking sheilds for plating but...

Methyl oxide?
Nitrogen sulphide?

Is Enterprise's chemisrty trying to out-bad the other Trek's particle du jour physics??

Re:Bad Chemistry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356140)

No, someone actually said "front plating just went offline"

... one in every crowd. (5, Insightful)

cookiej (136023) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356092)

Does anyone remember the "Encounter at Space JellyfishLand (er, Farpoint)" that was the pilot of TNG?

Personally, I thought it was EXCELLENT for a pilot. The show will get its legs--let it happen and enjoy what you can while it does. Or just watch Andromeda.

Always looking to pick. Lighten up, dude.

Comandah Tuckah (2, Redundant)

kb3edk (463011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356094)

I dunno about the rest of you, but I was just thinking it was high time we had rednecks like Tuckah in space :-) yeeeeehaw!

Re:Comandah Tuckah (3, Funny)

caffeinated_bunsen (179721) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356130)

Anything that results in fewer of 'em down here is a plus in my book! And send the the damn telephone sanitizers and hairdressers with them!

Re:Comandah Tuckah (4, Funny)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356132)

So it's going to be the Confederation now??

Theme music? (1)

redactor (1989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356095)

Hey, I got an idea... Hey don't we find somebody lame and washed out to SING the theme song! Yeah, that would be great!

Not bad... (1)

christurkel (520220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356100)

Not great either. Theme music stinks. Old, rehash Vulcan "issues". It is nice that Scott Bakula is getting something out of Paramount after they screwed him over Quantum Leap but other than this, this series is garbage. And how does armor plating go "offline" anyway?

Re:Not bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356107)

Of course things seem rehashed. IT'S A PREQUEL SERIES!

Re:Not bad... (1)

ttyRazor (20815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356196)

and because of that, the sappy music gets to swell with emotion every time something that's done routinely in TOS onward gets done for the first time. Seeing it a thousand times before doesn't make it any more fun and exciting the "first" time.

Re:Not bad... (1)

rmull (26174) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356159)

I think they need to keep it polarized for it to work.

Re:Not bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356191)

I liked it.

and about this whole armor plating issue about it going offline, the hull plating is polarized, so I suppose it could go offline... its a computer controlling the polarization I imagine.

Reaction to the vulcan lady... (1)

drachen (49779) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356101)

Have you seen the October Maxim? Knowing that Jolene Blalock is that... vulcan lady (can you tell I wasn't paying that much attention to what was being said??!)... well I'll let you guess my reaction... :P

boo yow! [maximonline.com]

Continuity (1)

belg4mit (152620) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356102)

It seemd to me to break the continutiy of the series:

The theme song isn't an instrumental

Who the hell is this species that we've never seen in the future, what do we exact some sort of xenocidal vengance upon them?

Other than that, it was okay. I don;t think the premieres for any fo the series were really good. Give it some time to develop a stride.

Re:Continuity (1)

orakle (233985) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356142)

Well actually, the original series wasn't completely "instrumental" even if it didn't have lyrics. I dont think i know of an instrument that sounds like "oooo oooo oooo oooooo..."

Re:Continuity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356189)

Who the hell is this species that we've never seen in the future, what do we exact some sort of xenocidal vengance upon them?


Can you say Borg?

Huh? (2, Insightful)

Ghoser777 (113623) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356104)

Where are the links? I have never even heard about Star Trek:Enterprise. I use to love Star Trek: The Next Generation (in fact, in a TV song identification contest, I guessed it's theme song from the first couple seconds of rumbling). Since then I haven't been impressed by the Star Trek series. So does anyone have any information (aka links) that explain what Michael is talking about?

F-bacher

Answer (3, Informative)

Ghoser777 (113623) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356166)

A quick google search led me to this site [stenterprise.com] .

F-bacher

Re:Huh? (1)

eFlashDash (456962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356171)

Whoa?!? Speaking of space travel, what planet have you been on??? ;)

What a piece of crap (1, Troll)

shed (68365) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356105)

None of the "actors" could perform. The vulcan was a hissing bitch during the first half, I thought count bakula wanted to cry several time, the plot was mediocre even by the standards of the crew that brought us voyager.

What amazes me is that no one seems to have gone back to the original ST series to see what made it great. It was daring culturally for its time and tried to present a complex cast of characters. Was it perfect? No. But the Berman vision of the future is a piece of plasticine crap undistinguished by any character motivation or deep emotion.

Sigh. Back to Babylon 5 reruns for me.

Re:What a piece of crap (1)

Madmanz123 (203006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356116)

Twas one damn episode man. Give it a few.

Re:What a piece of crap (2, Funny)

shed (68365) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356164)

In general I agree. But this literally is the same team that brought us umpteen seasons of voyager drivel. Bad science, bad acting, bad plots, good tits (7 of 9). I like tits, sure, but I hoped for much more. Although it was a daring episode - space porn in prime time.

Re:What a piece of crap (0)

bartok (111886) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356203)

the only thing that would make Star Trek "culturally daring" is if some important male character would be an homo. But that, compared Hohura (however it's spelled) the black crew member, would NEVER make it in there since the show would be labeled as a gay show and no geek would admit to watching it.

I myself admit that I'd be a bit disturbed(although not offended) by a gay captain but that's about the last thing that could make a series like Star Trek daring.

Reaction (1)

ShishCoBob (516335) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356109)

I was only able to catch the second half of it. I like kinda the updated effects that show the older ship style they had in the original star trek (I can see it in the ship they have now). I kinda see it having a completely different look... Just in like the colors of things.. Stuff is less dull then some of the other start trek things.. Of course same with voyager over next gen. But I really think it comes down to it's a brand new series.. Stuff is different. I don't really think I could decide if I like it or not until I've seen a few episodes.

Spoiler-tastic (5, Interesting)

signe (64498) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356110)

Wow, Michael. Could you post a few more spoilers on the top of the front page? I don't think there are enough.

Seriously. Not everyone watched or even *could* watch Enterprise tonight. You could have at least had the courtesy to hide the spoilers "under the fold", so to speak.

Now, for my opinion (some spoiler content).

It looks good as far as a stand-alone show is concerned. But it seems to break from the "known" Star Trek history, as described by the other shows and movies (not books and fanfic). For instance, we're looking at the later appearance of the Klingons, when Worf told us that something happened to change their appearance that "we don't like to talk about". And Picard told us that the war with the Klingons was sparked by a botched first contact with them. But that contact didn't seem to be botched.

I'm a little disappointed with how contrived the disinfectant scene was. And the way the camera paused during it was just silly. And Archer's whole thing with staying on the station after he set the maglock charge was pointless. First, it should have been longer than 5 seconds. Second, there was noone shooting at him, so there wasn't really a reason to set it and stand there, rather than setting it and running.

I think I'll wait for a couple more episodes to reevaluate that and see if I really care about this series. As it is, I can take it or leave it.

-Todd

Re:Spoiler-tastic (5, Funny)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356177)

And Picard told us that the war with the Klingons was sparked by a botched first contact with them. But that contact didn't seem to be botched.

You don't call being shot in the chest by a xenophobic Okie corn farmer a botched first contact? The only thing they coulda done to make a worst first impression was to put on white hoods and burn a cross in front of his spaceship.

Re:Spoiler-tastic (3, Offtopic)

DigiBoi (139261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356183)

Wow, Michael. Could you post a few more spoilers on the top of the front page? I don't think there are enough.

First we complain about day old news. Now we complain about news before it happens. Will we ever be happy?

Re:Spoiler-tastic (1)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356192)

Worf's comment in the DS9 tribble episode was intended as a non-explanation, and is meaningless. He did not actually say something happened to change the appearance of the Klingons. He merely said "we do not speak of it".

As for the decontamination scene, it was one of two things. Either they are setting up for a long term arc where the Vulcan and the first officer beome romantically involved, or it was just a cheap grab for attention. If it was just a cheap grab for attention, then I say that it is disappointing, but not too suprising.

END COMMUNICATION

Re:Spoiler-tastic (1)

eFlashDash (456962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356195)

Hmmm, you could set it and stand there if you planned on staying on the ship, and knew it wasn't going to be a typical explosion that could harm you...

Interesting medical science (1)

adaking (158188) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356111)

Rodent droppings and leech-type creatures - nice to see a regression to the 18th century medical practices.

What have we learned so far? (5, Interesting)

Chas (5144) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356113)

C'mon people.

Star Trek: The Original: First season
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done.

Star Trek: TNG: First Season
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done (just watch some of them fer chrissakes!).

DS9: First Season:
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done.

Voyager: First season (and second, and third...)
-Wooden acting, hokey stories, lotsa work to be done.

Give the series a little time to put down some roots.

Sheesh.

Re:What have we learned so far? (2, Funny)

illaqueate (416118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356193)

enterprise:
wooden cock, almost bulging out of underwear

West coast? (2)

Wonko42 (29194) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356114)

Christ almighty, can we at least wait until the damn thing has AIRED on the west coast? It doesn't start for twenty minutes over here.

the same can be said for you michael (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356115)

Your articles are rehashed, you have no personality and the only difference is that you refuse to go offline.

And talk about cold and emotionless _and_ thoughtless. Wow. It's you to a t.

No "Wow" (1)

Zoop (59907) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356117)

Even in the first episode of Voyager, there was a "Wow," or at least a "Cool!" moment. This one, while it didn't suck as much as what I like to call a "Wesley Gets the Ick" story, had no real "cool!" moment.

It wasn't bad, but man, given that premise, think what Roddenberry or Serling or Straczynski could have done with it.

It's sad, Berman, really--just let it go gracefully into that good night, or at least wait until your stable of soap-opera hacks get some new ideas. Hey! Here's an idea--go to the writers of Analog magazine and then just film them.

Sigh.

Re:No "Wow" (1)

arideout (465362) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356185)

Weren't you watching when they shot the grapplers?

That was damn funny.

So were the pink and blue frog dancers, for that matter.

Enyjoyable and promising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356119)

I actually enjoed it! Something different than the same old dragging on Voyager trip. And Deep Space Nine, well, it sucked big time. Seriously, though, I think this has great potential with the Enterprise exploring the galaxy. I just hope there'll be more independent episodes and stories as the original series and 'Next Generation' had. I really hate to imagine this might go the route of another space saga soap route...

Blatant Fanservice... Not that I mind (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356121)

Looks like Paramount is still trying to grab viewwers by their gonads. I know that I was certainly paying close attention to the 'disinfection' scene where the guy got to rub gelatin all over the scantily-clad vulcan girl.

Still, I was pleasantly surprised by the level of prejudice, intolerance and violence. This show definitely played a lot like an old TOS show. It was quite a refreshing change of pace from Voyager and TNG's 'moral issue of the week' approach.

Bloody time travel (2, Insightful)

Vinson Massif (88315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356122)

They just _had_ to trot out the temporal crap in the pilot episode. Why couldn't they have waited 'til the 3rd season when the writers run out of new ideas.

Not as gritty as I would have liked either.

Let the soft porn begin... (1)

geekplus (248023) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356123)

She's in Maxim this month. Why won't this [maximonline.com] link work?

Klingon anatomy changed again (1)

EvilBuu (145749) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356125)

They have red blood now. In The Undiscovered Country, it was green and blue (or something close, I'm colorblind). Plus there's the time taken to get anywhere at a mere 30,000,000 KM/s...
Eh, the depth charges were cool.

Klingon blood color... (1)

Akardam (186995) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356167)

Klingon blood is reddish purple. And, I think it would be physiology, not anatomy, as anatomy indicates the general physical shape of the organism.

1950 (4, Interesting)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356126)

Here's the original subject that Slashdot's "Lameness filter" censored:
1950 meets 2001 meets 2150

We knew it would be a problem, and it's interesting to see it play out on the screen. Humans have achieved world peace, yet captains and admirals are all white males. Computers have speech capability, yet voice-activation is not yet invented. And, of course what we all expected -- no gender-neutral language yet.

Re:1950 (2)

firewort (180062) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356208)

"pause log"
"resume log"

These commands seemed to work- other than that, you're pretty much on top of things.

wow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356131)

compared to all the other upn shows it fits right in kinda.

Waiting for:
Vulcan love slave

Klingon foreheads! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356136)

Some theories:

Roddenberry always claimed that TOS Klingons had wrinkly heads, but you couldn't see them because your TV was defective.

My own personal theory is that, like the Trill, Klingons have a symbiont that makes them bigger, stronger, and generally cooler. It resembles a horseshoe crab. They just don't talk about it.

For Berman and Braga on this subject, try this link: http://www.startrek.com/production/seriesv/article s/071901.html [startrek.com]. Look toward the bottom, where neither remembers when modern Klingon foreheads came into use.

Re:Klingon foreheads! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356188)

Klingons have funny shaped heads because the makeup artists have created these masks that they apply to the actors before filming. TOS didn't have much of a budget, so there wasn't quite the effort put into making those masks.

Sheesh. Some people.

Not bad, give it time (1)

Feanor1 (412553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356139)

I thought it was pretty good.. I agree that the song has gotta go, however rehashing the Cold hearted Vulcan issue is almost a must. If its going to be a show about growing into the federation and a new world view, they have to show the growing pains. Doc McCoy was an old fashion country doctor after all..

And ship rocked

Decent... (1)

Athex (313866) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356143)

I thought that it was an interesting look at the whole star trek universe, although it seemed to have rehashed the same, we need a hot chick to attract viewers thing as the past series. I think that they also made some of the vulcans seem less cold then in the other series, good or bad? We will see if I watch the next episode....

Well... (1)

Mag_Linnard (82193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356149)

I wouldn't say it SUCKED, compared against the other sort of dribble the UPN runs. And yes, that includes VOYAGER. It's not perfect, but how could Star Trek without Roddenbury ever be perfect, huh? It smacks of The Phantom Menace--doubling back to establish background, and feeling awkward cuz we already KNOW where it's going.

Of course, I liked BATTLEFIELD EARTH, so those of you with melons and tomatoes can feel free to reel back and let 'er rip.

different....a good different.... (2)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356151)

One thing some sci-fi especially books has done is not sugar coat things. Sometimes you have to be almost naked when doing screwy things like decontamination. Star Trek has always stayed away from it until recently with 7 of 9 in Voyager and Enterprise. I believe that it's more realistic to show stuff like this. I don't mean pure soft core (fully naked), but stuff like in this scene. I don't believe it will be a weekly occurance in any event.

The theme song....well, it's better then most other tv shows, but PALES when you compare it to DS9 or Voyager or any other Star Trek. Also, I feel there's too much past stuff being show in the opening sequence and not enough stuff from that 100 years since First Contact. Yeah the history is important, but not for this show. They need a different opening with more beauty shots of the NX-01.

Flashbacks to Archer's childhood were cool. Anyone get a load of the antigrav remote control plane he built? Cool eh?

I don't like to nitpick too much, but it's been added to my must see tv list! :)

One last thing...let me say this.....T'pol = Tent Pole! (had to be done ;) ). I know, but man I didn't know Vulcans could look that good! ;)

I'm pissed... damned local UPN affiliate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356152)

Our local UPN affiliate, WBLU, sucks so much! Did anyone else miss over 35 minutes of it off and on because they had to dick with the satellites a few minutes before it stated? Probably not. I hope you all enjoyed the show. I have to watch the "Apology" rebroadcast on Saturday. Argh.

I am T'Pol of Nine (1)

digitalamish (449285) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356153)

Was it just me or do most of these characters look familiar. One good thing about the series is that it will definitely NOT be for hard core trekkers. I hope it doesn't devolve like Voyager did. It was a nice change of pace to see humans getting their asses handed to them.

---

"If Kirk saw vulcan chicks like that, he would have never left!" - My friend watching Enterprise.

Non-Trekkie (1)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356155)

I never was a Star Trek fan until I saw some of the movies. Even then, I only cared for a select few of them.


I watched Enterprise just to see what it was like. I really thought that it would dive into explaining how technology evolved to the point where Kirk was using starships. I was put off that the Vulcans seemed to be sheltering us from ourselves, and laughing inside that we are to be so primitive. I was expecting some trial and error with the transporter -- something akin to the remake of The Fly. I also did not care for the shower scene. I mean, that is one hot Vulcan, but I do not think we need this to be like every other sitcom. Honestly, most people have pay cable or satellite, and can flip over to something steamy.


Overall, I liked the concept, and think that special effects work will look great. I like going back in time if done well (Phantom Menace?). This just did not stike a chord with me.

It's NOT over yet! (0, Redundant)

BrickM (178032) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356158)

Hey, the least you could do is wait for the show to be over in all the time zones before you post this to the front page.

Pretty decent (2)

iso (87585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356160)

I was expecting the worst, so I was pleasantly surprised. The effects were good, but not overpowering, the acting was decent, the storyline was better than I thought, and the soft-porn was great, but I'd prefer to have seem some XXX live girl-on-girl action ... uh .. yeah it was ok.

They didn't completely screw up the time-travel angle (but I suppose there's lots of time for that), but it did strike me that it was awfully easy for them to accomplish their "mission" even though the "bad guys" had vastly superior technology and advanced genetics. I guess they forgot to advance their brians when they were going though their genetic engineering.

Anyhow I haven't seen Star Trek in years so I wasn't really sure what to expect (I've hardly seen Voyager for instance), but I thought it showed some promise. I think the best part about it is that it's not overly Star Trekky--this might make it appeal to a larger audience. It's no masterpiece, but for TV, I say it's pretty good.

- j

I'm holding out on final judgement. (1)

hound3000 (238628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356161)

The theme song doesn't work, I agree. There is no reason we can't have some nice orchestration here. The show may be geared towards 'Gen-Xers' as someone said in the previous thread, but geez. The soft porn angle is old too. That was the -only- thing that saved Voyager. Mind you, it worked, but if they are going to rely on showing breasts everytime the ratings get low, this show is eventually going to tank.

Other than that, the Klingons will just allow some humans to walk into their chamber. In the early days, I thought they liked us no better than the Vulcans. And we saw how snobby they were. Although, when we finally do meet new species there will be a lot of interspecies bickering going on until humanity gets used to the idea that maybe we're not the big cheese anymore.

On a local note, my broadcaster needs to get their antenna back into shape so they don't screw up the signal every other minute again.

Soft porn... yeah (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356163)

The girl is not a "good vulcan" like Spock and Tuvok were. I don't know how to describe it. She is definitely a 10, and while I enjoyed the nipple shots and the oil rubdowns on one level, on another I feel this really doesn't honor Gene Roddenberry's legacy.

Also I thought the ship looked too good. While I realize it had to look better than the 196x original series's Enterprise, it just looks too cool. And now how are they going to explain away the change in Klingons' appearance? For ~100 years the klingons looked like Genghis Khan, but then went back to looking like Klingons? At least they didn't forget to leave out the universal translator... that would have been retarded, hearing English from a Klingon.

I didn't catch any of the plot really so I can't comment on it at all, but I'm sure UPN will be rebroadcasting it every day, so I'm not too worried.

Pilot (3, Interesting)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356165)

I thought it was best pilot of all the spin-offs - but no way does it compare to that great TOS pilot "The Cage"

Not so good. (0)

nanci (513442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356168)

The show was poor; the introduction was crappy and uneventful. An echoing conversation, obviously an attempt at setting a plot and justifying invisible bald people, was both tough to listen to and also lacked in relevance.

Nothing about the show contained anything even remotely interresting. Star Trek is a dead horse; if all future episodes are directed like this, then I expect this to be the last star trek series.

Pity.

Eh. (2)

ktakki (64573) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356169)

I did like how James Cromwell (Zephram Cochrane in "First Contact") had a cameo. Also, I liked how the sets were not lit as bright as the other series.

I did not like the wooden characters and paper plot, though to be fair many shows are guilty of that during their first seasons.

I got bored halfway through and ended up watching a West Wing repeat I had seen twice before. Maybe I'm getting old (I was six when TOS first aired) and I've grown out of the Trek demographic. The Vulcan was cute, but Janel Moloney (Donnatella Moss) rocks my happy world.

I'll probably give it another chance next summer when it's in reruns.

[OT] - I do not need a beer brewery or car company to tell me how to feel about 9/11/01, thankyouverymuch.

k.

Pink Blood? (1)

OSSMKitty (125119) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356170)

Granted, we only had a few minutes of it in ST:VI, but isn't Klingon blood PINK? What is it with this red, strangly human looking (under a microscope) blood? Couldn't be that the effects budget was too small, because it would have taken less than half a travel-size Pepto Bismal to fake that blood.

On the other hand, maybe the effects budget was blown on the cheesy computer generated ships. Don't get me wrong, I think CG has its place (those hand weapons were well done!, and the opening space scene in the transport when you could see reflections in the glass) but when the ships are obviously fake...give me a solid model any day.

Oh, and the theme has to go.

enjoyed (1)

bevoo (523870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356172)

Im not going to analyze everything because its not worth it. Yeah, the opening theme pretty much sucked but when it comes down to it. Did I enjoy watching it? I did. I enjoy some of the worst movies because it entertained me. It took awhile for Futurama to get off and it became a really funny show. This is the first episide and it had to lay down some history/story. I think it would be better to judge the series after we've seen a couple of showings. vulcan is mighty fwine though!

And what's with the soft porn? (2, Funny)

e-gold (36755) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356173)

Apparently, the Borg aren't the only alien species with implants...
JMR

Speaking only for myself, as always.

Dont judge it by one episode (1)

bug1 (96678) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356174)

If the writers are any good it will take them a while to build up the characters (take a leason from babylon 5)

I LIKED it (5, Interesting)

E1ven (50485) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356176)

I think you need to lay off a little, Micheal.

It was a good beginning for the series. I think there is a lot of potential for the characters, The Dr in particular.

While I'm not sure where the 29th centure guy is going to go, or wht they'll do with him, it is a plot hook, and presumabily will develop into a story arch. Which is what everyone says they like.
The Jello scene did perhaps go a bit over the line, it serverd a usefull purpose in allowing the chracters to intereact.
Without it, you'd be asking "Why the hell didn't she take the ship and run. I thought Vulcans were logical."
I think you may be slamming it because your expectations were too high. It was good television, and good startrek.

There are some reviews of it at http://www.revolutionsf.com/article/441.html [revolutionsf.com]

did we forget TOS? (1)

8bit (127134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356178)

I know that the technology wasn't available to do some of the special effects during the original series, but KLINGONS WERE NOT WRINKLY AND ODD BACK THEN! I think the trouble w/ tribbles 2.0 episode settled that when they went back in time and whats her face said that there were biological experiments since then and it wasn't to be talked about. Blah blah blah. Other than that I liked it. Albeit a couple of contradictions, whatever. I think it should be interesting. and WTF, that guy from quantum leap doesn't look a day older since he did quantum leap.

moo

Reaction (4, Insightful)

CtrlPhreak (226872) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356180)

I liked scott as the captain. The rehash of the standard trek technology into older, original types is interesting. My first reaction was that the theme song just plain sucked. The intro images fits in with the overall theme nicely. I think it has some problems, all mentioned in the story, but it has promise. When did kingons and humans start hating each other? I know they had to meet first, but throughout the original series, they were the above all enemies. I'm going to keep on watching it for a couple of weeks and see how it goes. It wasn't the series premiere that I'd hoped for. My fav premiere is still TNG one, great characters, great story, with a good twist.

Trek seems to be de-evolving into soft porn. From 7of9, we all know what the whole point of her character was, now to this. It doesn't really fit into the series about exploration and discovery. I don't know, do we really need it? (after all, what's the internet here for anyway?)

I thought it was good (0)

tannhaus (152710) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356182)

...and the vulcan chick rubbing herself with oil..that was my favorite part of the show *drool*

It had a good "human" feel (2, Insightful)

Eagle7 (111475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356186)

The sort of Indiana Jones/John Wayne/Han Solo attitude in the crew was refreshing - that's something that had been lost (and something that was fitting for the "maturity" of the human race at that point)

As far as the soft core porn, I had no problem with seeing that side of a Vulcan, and my non-geek g/f had no problem seeing a starship captain in his briefs.

I didn't like the science all that much. I got the sense that they had lost some of the knack for reality that we had gained during TNG, etc. For instance, the light of the phaser beam moved *much* slower in that communications room than the people in it. I didn't understand the whole shielding scheme either. It is very unlcear to me exactly what technologies they have and do not have. For instance, they have deflectors, transporters, anti-grav, and beam weapons - but don't yet have a tractor beam. I don't know if the physics of these are consistent or not. (What I mean is this: are any of these like having incadescent lights and not having figured out that you can use electricity for heaters)

I did like some of the "primative" touches. I liked the human linguist. I liked the "sweet-spot" in the ships anti grav unit.

once thing I'd like to know - do they have subspace communications? I assume that they do, but it was never mentioned, and on TNG they through around "subspace" the way people throw around "Action Item" in a corporation.

The recent broadcast (5, Insightful)

Migelikor1 (308578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356187)

I kinda liked the show, keeping in mind that its a pilot. It had a bunch of good qualities:
No universal translators-Hooray, a realistic look at meeting strangers...they're strange!
No ridiculous premise-phew...they haven't been warped to a far off dimension, a la the worst trek of all. They're just explorers, trying to prove themselves.
They aren't invincible-There doesn't need to be mind control or some wacky technology to disable the Enterprise ( like in STTNG) it gets pounded, because, frankly, it's not that good.
There is potential for some ongoing plot lines, like the best of DS9. If the show is done right, there will be diplomatic issues w/ the Klingons. (the whole encoded information in genes, conspiracy thing)
On the other hand, there are a few annoying bits:
I didn't like the vulcan. She wasn't even hot enough to fill the 7/9 spot. The just bugged me, like a really dumb spock. At least the original pointy ears respected the humans.
There wasn't a lot of character development, but hopefully that will come with time.

Anyway, I'd tune in to the next few episodes to see if the problems go away.

Augh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356190)

WTF is it with this show and the porn? I'm not interested in seeing Vulcan tits, and my girlfriend assures me she was not interested in seeing Kummanduh Tuckah's dick.

Star Trek has always been an example of a show that did not need to rely on (mindless) violence and (senseless) sex to entertain and provoke thought. If this show is getting a new breed of Trekkers, it must be horny 14 year old boys.

Other than that, it was a fairly decent show (ignoring the sci-babble).

I liked it (0)

BravoXL (248870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356194)

I thought it was good. although I will admit I was a biut confused when the softcore seen kicked in, what the hell was that? Anyway, i really enjoyed all the characters on the show, they all seemed to have a bit more personality than voyager or DS9 (where some of the characters made me want to hurt things). I thought it was pretty close to NG levels a far as quality. I'm looking foward to what the show has to offer. I really thought it was cool when they brought out the phasers and said that these are the new ones with to settings, it will be cool to see new technolgy come into play. I also like how the teleporter won't come into major play, I think it makes it better. On a whole I thought it was very good.

Doesn't it seem familiar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356200)

Did anyone else seem to seem to think some things were a little similar to B5: Crusade?

Hmmm... (1)

gamgee5273 (410326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356201)

...we have a Kirk/Bones captain, a vulcan who looks amazingly like Seven of Nine, some hanger-on that reminds me of Neelix, a cute chick from an ethnic minority with a speaker in her ear, and an African-American guy who's a whiz at figuring out alien engineering...

What will they think of next? A streamlined ship that looks more like the NCC-1701 E than a century-old precursor to the NCC-1701?

To be fair, I like it more than Voyager and the last few seasons of Deep Space 90210, but Bakula's gotta lose some more hair and have a major debate as to whether he should go with a rug or shave...but there is great potential.

Of course, it could be worse. The series could have revolved around Wesley Crusher.

Theme music... (1)

Autonomous Crowhard (205058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356204)

OK, here's a test... What was the name or content of that theme? Can you hum the tune? Are you going to be cleaning the puke out of the carpet in front of your arm chair for weeks?

The show itself was nice, not great, not a single "Wow... Cool!" in the thing, but nice.

That theme, however, SUCKED. Jeesoos Fraggin Christo! Friends has a better theme. Sixty Minutes has a better theme!

BLECH BLECH BARF RALPH PUKE RETCH PUKE

Oh... And do ya think is was a little chilly in that decontamination room?

Star Wars? (0)

N3P1u5U17r4 (457760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356205)

Did anyone else think that it had Star Wars overtones? For example, the space bar with all the different aliens and the taliban... i mean suliban pods... that looked like imperial fighters without the wings.

You fanboys suck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2356209)

As someone who got tired of TNG towards the end of the series, the first few seasons of DS9 and the complete Voyager series, it's time for something a little different. Some history continuity has been broken, oh boo-hoo! Some leeway is needed or else the series will get bogged down trying to maintain continuity. I definitely like the fact that they're not the confident 24th century space adventurers. They're unsure of themselves and the technology they have. I liked the exchange with the vulcans near the beginning of the show. The only part I disliked was how friendly Archer and T'Pol got at the end.

It's the first episode, give the show some slack and time.

From those of us on the west coast.... (1)

Tide (8490) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356210)

How about not posting spoliers like that on the front of Slashdot before everyone (at least in the US) has had a chance to watch the show. I'll rarely complain about spoilers but Ive been good to not read or even see any commercials on this series. I was looking forward to that ignorance.

What would have made you happy?? (0)

billmaly (212308) | more than 12 years ago | (#2356211)

I didn't even watch it, don't want to watch it. No matter what was done, would anyone have been happy with it? Prob. not.

I dread LOTR, no doubt there will be a holy flame war here when that is released!! "OH MY SWEET LORD....THE ELVES EARS ARE NOT POINTY ENOUGH/TOO POINTY!! HERESY!!!"

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