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The High-Tech Warfare Behind the Israel - Hamas Conflict

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the who's-got-the-best-guns dept.

The Military 402

Taco Cowboy writes The Israel — Hamas conflict in Gaza is not only about bombs, missiles, bullets, but also about cyberwarfare, battles of the mind over social media, smart underground tunnels and cloud-based missile launching systems. The tunnels that Hamas has dug deep beneath Gaza are embedded with high tech gadgets, courtesy of Qatar, which has funded Hamas with billions to equipped their tunnels with intelligent sensors which are networked to control centers enabling the command and control staff to quickly notify operatives nearby that IDF units are advancing inside a certain tunnel, allowing for rapid deployment of attack units and the setting up of bobby traps inside the tunnel.

In addition, Hamas has automated its rocket firing system using networked, cloud-based launching software provided by Qatar which can set off a rocket from any distance, and set them to go off at a specific time, using timers. "Anyone who thinks they have dozens of people sitting next to launchers firing rockets each time there is a barrage is mistaken," said Aviad Dadon, a senior cyber-security adviser at several Israeli government ministries. While Doha is allowing Hamas to use its technology to fight Israel, it's their own cyber-security the leaders of Qatar are worried about. For the Qataris, the war between Israel and Hamas is a proving ground to see how their investments in cyber systems have paid of — Qatar is very worried that one of its Gulf rivals — specifically Saudi Arabia — will use technology to attack it, and Qatar spends a great deal of money each year on shoring up its cyber-technology.

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Hamas are Terrorists (-1, Flamebait)

Tora (65882) | about 3 months ago | (#47593221)

Why is it our media (even this post) always seems to portray Hamas in a positive light?

This conflict would end the SECOND Hamas stopped their aggression. The moment Hamas stops shooting, IDF stops shooting, period. Hamas lies and has no moral honor, they betray everything, and want nothing less than to wipe other people off the face of the earth. How is that humanitarian and moral? And yet the western media doesn't portray that side of the story!

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593231)

Weird. I'm quite sure there was a conflict even before Hamas existed.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593267)

And it doesn't help Israel in the least when the pro-Israelis repeatedly lie their asses off. [imgur.com]

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593359)

Since when is Slashdot a pro Israel propaganda outlet? This "story" about Hamas' high tech weapons is supposed to make Israel's genocidal orgy look justified?

Fuck. That.

Poor Israel (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593463)

Agreed, they're killing Palestinians and doing the same propaganda they always do, to pretend they are a credible threat that justifies the genocide.

Lets not kid ourselves, Gaza's problems are the invasion of settlers from Israel, and what Israel is doing is nothing but murder.

Re:Poor Israel (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593753)

There are no settlers in Gaza. Israel pulled out completely from Gaza in 2005, at which point it decended into chaos. Time to rethink your position, I guess.

And (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593501)

wouldn't it be a hoot if Hamas was the creation of Israel?

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (1)

HairyNevus (992803) | about 3 months ago | (#47593591)

Ahh yes, YouTube user "ziv121213". He's world-renowned as an expert on the Israeli side of the debate and would never upload a false video just to troll people.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593627)

Or you could actually take the two seconds to look up his channel and see this is the kind of shit Israel is actually feeding their citizens. But whatever, keep acting like a snarky twat online.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (4, Insightful)

jaredm1 (1620295) | about 3 months ago | (#47593313)

If this discussion is going to descend in to 'Hamas as terrorists' then we should recognise the use of the word 'terrorism' as an adjective used to vilify one side and make an opposing side seem legitimate. The American revolutionaries were also considered terrorists as was Ghandi and Nelson Mandela. However, I don’t support Hamas’ use of violence to further their desire for a sovereign state. In fact, the state of Israel itself was founded a ‘terrorist organisation’ - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J... [wikipedia.org] "The moment Hamas stops shooting, IDF stops shooting, period." - well that's great. But you realise Hamas are firing because they live in an occupation and under siege? They'll stop fighting when Israel pursues a 2-state strategy with sincerity. Israel has ignored its commitment to a 2-state solution in 2009. In 2012 it made agreements for a ceasefire but began laying siege to Gaza and throughout 2013 largely ignored any attempts of establishing peace (note: during this period Hamas had not killed or kidnapped a single Israeli civilian). In April this year, the talks collapsed as Abbas sought Palestinian membership in 15 UN conventions and reconciled with Hamas, and Israel made a surprise announcement of plans for 700 new settlements and refused to free a last batch of Palestinian prisoners which included Israeli-Arab citizens. That was April this year, before any of this conflict. Israel made clear it doesn't want Palestinians to pursue a non-violent route to statehood either. There you have it, if Israel wants peace it must offer the Palestinians what they have a right to - a fully functioning state with control over its own future. Don't call them Hamas terrorists for pursuing what they're entitled to and have been brutally denied even when seeking it peacefully.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593437)

Entitlement, that's funny.
What entitles you to have entitlement? Where does it begin? Where does it end?
Who is actually entitled to own that piece magical dirt in the middle east?
Is it Hamas, because the 'evil Jew' refuses to make peace? And because they were there before the Jews came? Is it the 'evil Jews", because they were there before the Ottoman Empire practically kicked them out if they didn't want to convert to Islam? At least here we know that Judaism existed first.

What most of us can agree with is that the population suffers in this conflict. Neither civilian Palestinians nor civilian Israeli are at fault here. Most of them didn't chose to be born into these worlds.

Terrorists in the 20th century (2)

MRe_nl (306212) | about 3 months ago | (#47593441)

The first wide spread use of the word "terrorist" in mass-media afaik is in German second world war propaganda to describe the Soviet partisans on the Eastern front.
Every European with an inkling of historical knowledge is going to look at any state calling any group "terrorists" with at least a modicum of suspicion.

As an aside, does anyone else see some similarities in the current situation in the West-bank/Gaza and the Jewish uprising in the ghetto of Warsaw?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (2, Insightful)

Corwyn_123 (828115) | about 3 months ago | (#47593607)

Gaza started as only a city. It's history is long and colorful, and smattered with conquests by many other civilizations, including Egypt, the Byzantines, the Ottomans, the Asyrians, Great Britain, and many others, the list goes on, spanning about 4000 years. It wasn't until the 20th century that Gaza was officially given to the Palestinians as anything more than a mere conquered (many times over), city, and it wasn't until 1948, that a Palestinian government, was officially recognized by the world at large as anything but a band of nomadic tribes, wandering around the Middle East.

Until 1948, Palestine was a part of Israel, within it's borders, even though modern times didn't recognize Israel as it's own political entity, history shows Israel something larger than a mere city for more than 5000 years. Yes, it has also changed hands over the centuries, but by and far, it's been governed by the same people far longer than Gaza was by the Palestinians.

It was 20th century politics and the UN that finally enacted a Palestine, and it was the UN that gave more than just a city to the Palestinians. The Palestinians have been fighting a war to take over more than what's theirs for far longer than any can remember, and they've been in another country's/state's land wandering around homeless until the 20th century.

This is not about religion, or religious ideologies, it's about politics, and empire building. The Israeli's have had control of that land for far longer than any one civilization, it's part of their territory, they were forced to give it up by the UN, who really have no true authority to give an other's real estate away. The Palestinian government, and by that governance, the people, have been aggressors against the government and people who, historically, have controlled that territory longer than anyone else in history.

Who's right? Who's wrong? I don't know, but history is quite an eye opener.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593615)

If this discussion is going to descend in to 'Hamas as terrorists' then we should recognise the use of the word 'terrorism' as an adjective used to vilify one side and make an opposing side seem legitimate.

True enough. And it's not just "terrorism" that gets used this way. It's a common ploy in any propaganda.

Taken at face value, though, it means "pursuing your goals by means of inflicting terror", as in do horrible things to scare people into doing your will or at least acquiescing to your doings. Question then is, does hamas do that?

From this very safe very long distance I say, no. The rockets aren't effective at killing people and by now everybody knows this. So it's not about the terror (any longer). What they're instead trying to do is to provoke Israel into reacting, then they sacrifice their own by using them as human shields, generating a death toll that then gets used to stir up an "Israel is killing us!" frenzy. And it's working pretty well.

It is cynically, callously using lives to try and secure political gains, but not really terrorism.

"The moment Hamas stops shooting, IDF stops shooting, period." - well that's great. But you realise Hamas are firing because they live in an occupation and under siege?

They're firing because they're pursuing the goal of total annihilation of Israel. The occupation and under siege parts are fairly hard to make stick unless you squint really hard and wilfully ignore both hamas' own actions and the parts where Israel gave up plenty occupied territory complete with infrastructure for their mortal enemies to live and thrive in. You can make the case that when two are fighting two have some guilt, but that is not this argument. This is pure one-sided entirely self-serving rationalisation. It's popular enough in the Arab world, but still one-sided.

Don't call them Hamas terrorists for pursuing what they're entitled to and have been brutally denied even when seeking it peacefully.

Are they? Have they? I think they've been given more than their fair share and thrown much of it away with the explicit goal of trying to exterminate Israel. I also think that hamas isn't nearly as entitled as it thinks it is. Again, this is propaganda. Don't believe me? Well, you've been busily pointing at previous doings, so let me add one 1977 interview. Since you know your history so well, you know exactly what I'm talking about and also why your claims to entitlement are that much bunk.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593637)

If this discussion is going to descend in to 'Hamas as terrorists' then we should recognise the use of the word 'terrorism' as an adjective used to vilify one side and make an opposing side seem legitimate.

Except that it isn't just Israel identifying them as such. I believe United States and Egypt strongly agree.

I donâ(TM)t support Hamasâ(TM) use of violence to further their desire for a sovereign state

Hamas certainly doesn't want "their own state". Palestinians located in Gaza do, but Hamas most certainly doesn't care - they are more interested in destruction of Israel and would be more than willing to sacrifice every innocent civilian in Gaza.

They'll stop fighting when Israel pursues a 2-state strategy with sincerity.

Hamas is unwilling (and never have) to recognize Israel's right to exist. I would think that would be a prerequisite for negotiation. You know, where the other side allows for the possibility of your existence?

Don't call them Hamas terrorists for pursuing what they're entitled to and have been brutally denied even when seeking it peacefully.

Palestinians are not Hamas terrorists. Hamas, however, is a terrorist organization, that had done terrorist acts to Egypt too. Have you ever wondered why why demand that Egypt open up their borders? Why do you think the Gaza-Egypt border is just as closed as the Gaza-Israeli one? Muslim on Muslim hate?

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593669)

Seriously? Two state solution? Refresh my memory - who is it who has *rejected* a 2-state solution repeatedly? Because I'm pretty sure it wasn't Israel.

Palestinians rejected 2-state proposals in 1937 and 1947 which were *accepted* by the Jewish leadership. Why? Because the Arabs were too busy shouting that Israel had no right to exist. Then the Arab-Israeli war (1948) and the Six day war (1967), as well as a constant stream of attacks and sabotage by Palestinian militants convinced Israel that the Arabs had no real interest in negotiations or peace - in fact, Hamas' charter specifically names their objective:

'[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.' (Article 13)

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)

In more recent years, Israel has stated its willingness to give up nearly the entirety of the lands they gained in 1967 in exchange for peaceful coexistence, but even that isn't good enough - the rockets keep falling, and the bombs keep exploding.

But yeah, given Israel's history - of both being willing to accept a 2-state solution, and defending themselves against attacks by organizations hell-bent on their destruction, I can see how you'd conclude that Israel is the one who is dead-set on not accepting a 2-state solution.

But please, bring up settlements now. Let's talk about the settlements that Israel evacuated in the Sinai and Gaza when it withdrew from those territories. Do you really think if they actually felt the Palestinian leaders were *serious* about recognizing Israel and living peacefully alongside them, that the Israeli government would - for a single second - hesitate to evacuate the other settlements as well?

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593741)

[quote]note: during this period Hamas had not killed or kidnapped a single Israeli civilian[/quote]
Hint: If there are no casualties that doesn't mean they haven't tried to.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593283)

A plague on both your Houses Politicians , Military , Hamas, IDF. You are both as bad as each other in this genocide by mutual attrition. I just wish the rest of the world would withdraw all aid from all parties and leave you to get on with it or settle it depending on the true will amongst the civilian population.

Yes it would end in a bloodbath and genocide one way or the other I don't presume to know which way but then at least it would be settled instead of an ongoing blood feud for another 2000 years.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593419)

Agreed. The rest of the world is getting tired of the temper tantrums that have been going on for decades now. If the only peace you psychotics can work towards is a Carthaginian peace, then quit being half-assed about it. A lot of us in the US are no longer willing to pay to keep you from annihilating each other.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593525)

"A plague on both your houses" = "I've no idea what your problems are and I can't be bothered to find out". Or very often anyway.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593595)

That's right. And in this case, it's appropriate. There are so many lies, half-truths, and propaganda coming from both sides that it's nearly impossible to determine what's actually happening and therefore make a sound, logical decision about "picking sides".

The only logical course of action is not to pick sides, and stay out of the conflict altogether.

I'm all for supplying humanitarian aid: food, medicine, etc. I'm completely against any military aid for either side.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593303)

Hamas lies and has no moral honor, they betray everything, and want nothing less than to wipe other people off the face of the earth. How is that humanitarian and moral? And yet the western media doesn't portray that side of the story!

Strange, anytime I hear from someone who is accused of being anti-Israeli all they talk about is how Israel lies about the impact of Hamas attacks, betrays any agreements it makes and won't be happy until there are no more Palestinians left to persecute, and then that person usually accuses the Western Media of ignoring all this.

Ever consider that the issue is more complicated than one side good, one side evil?

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593395)

That Israel has been manipulating public opinion through its control of the media is obvious at this stage.

Look how far from the discussion is the fact that this whole conflict started with an escalation over the murdered teenagers. Murders that, to this day, have not been investigated.

Israel used that to engage in unprovoked attacks, and then used the resulting response as pretext for this genocidal outburst.

Those are the facts. All that has happened since is because Israel had every intention of using some pretext to engage in slaughter. It is just that simple.

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593485)

1000 dead people is not genocidal pompous twat.

The conflict was lingering due to 12000 rockets, and dozens of infiltration attack tunnels (built with concrete delivered by Israel) and hundreds of suicide bombs.

Those are the facts. It is that simple.

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593759)

Oh... So the three dead teenagers had nothing to do with it?

Quiet, Troll (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593309)

The moment Israel returns to their pre-1945 borders, Hamas stops shooting, period.

Re:Quiet, Troll (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593519)

The Jews' pre-1945 borders is a place called Auschwitz you anti-semitic fuck.

Re:Quiet, Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593671)

Oh I'm sorry. Genocide against the Jews was tragic. Genocide committed by the Jews in the name of the State of Israel is justified, and anybody who questions otherwise is an anti-Smite?

Read a book about what the fuck Semites are, too, you sound like an idiot.

Re: Quiet, Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593781)

That's actually pretty funny.

Re:Quiet, Troll (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593645)

The moment Israel returns to their pre-1945 borders, Hamas stops shooting, period.

They should revert to their original border, Judea was much larger. That is long before 1945, so should satisfy your requirement.

Re: Quiet, Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593745)

Israel didn't exist before 1948 idiot.
There is no pre-1945. Unless you you deny the right of Israel to exist. In that case fuck off.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593347)

"This conflict would end the SECOND Hamas stopped their aggression." No, the military occupation of their land has continued unabated, so you're wrong.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (5, Insightful)

trout007 (975317) | about 3 months ago | (#47593351)

Exactly. Once they stop defending their homeland and surrender to the occupying forces the conflict will stop.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593473)

The conflict will stop when we've exterminated every last one of them and Israel is whole. Once that is done we will come for anti-semitic pricks like you. Your president can't protect you any more than he can protect the dogs of Gaza.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593507)

Israel was created by the CIA in the 1940's. Disgusting creatures like you are there to create a distraction that the christians would buy into.

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593767)

Bullshit. It was created by the UN in 1948 following the Balfour declaration in 1917. CIA was formed at the end of 1947.

The pro-Hamas trolls and ignorant doofuses are flooding the interwebz again. Propaganda at its finest.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593515)

If that happens there will be a real genocide of the jews.
And this time no is going to come and stop it. Not a single jew will be left alive anywhere on the planet.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593779)

What do you mean "if"? It is being accomplished right now. Obama and the rest of the world's leaders support us. I do not care about the opinions of the maggots of goyim countries like you.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593621)

Are you a troll or are you really that nutty? Israel would be crushed by the USA. I'm not from either country but can tell which is militarily more powerful.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593789)

Please. We could bring our army from West Bank to the US West Coast and Obama would still be forced to make excuses for us. Aren't you paying attention? The Jews have won their war against the anti-semitism of the world.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593755)

Please do come, we will be waiting for your pathetic army that can't even win from kids with stones or fend off some DIY fireworks. Idiotic and uncivilised bunch of assholes sums it up pretty much! You might be able to put a dent in the exhausted and oppressed Gaza population but don't event think for a second your army means anything significant outside your so-called country.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593835)

And don't you think for a second that you are actually in charge of your own country. We tell your president what to say, do and what to order your military to do. Besides, your country is bankrupt and will soon crumble.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593763)

Nazi faggots from Israel will be destroyed like Nazi faggots from anywhere else. You fucked up.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593367)

One country's terrorist is another country's guerrilla fighter. Hamas started shooting because Israel has blockaded Gaza for years - many countries have gone to war over far less than that.

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593677)

Egypt is blockading Gaza as strongly as Israel. Why is Hamas unequal in sharing their love?

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593825)

Absolute bullshit. Hamas was founded in 1987 and is relentlessly attacking Israel ever since. There were no blockages back than. The blockages were created BECAUSE of Hamas's attacks. Not the other way round. Inform yourself.

The ignorance of deluded pro-Hamas people is astounding.

Re: Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593459)

What is this junk?
Israeli propaganda to prop up the idea that hamas is somehow any kind of match to the Israeli war machine?
How about some an exposé on the tech behind the their automated rocket defense system that pretty much doesn't require them to do anything other watch em go pop in the sky.
But hey any excuse for an unnecessary pummeling to genocidal levels ay?
Might as well go all the way? No?
Keep some around, sow some seed and repeat all other again every decade or so?
Wouldn't want to deny Israeli all the sadistic fun they seem to be having harvesting such misery from others. Not at all - go right ahead, the rest of the world appears to gut to stop you or five a damn.

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593629)

http://www.popularresistance.org/chomsky-israels-west-bank-plans-leave-palestinians-very-little/

Re:Hamas are Terrorists (2)

duke_cheetah2003 (862933) | about 3 months ago | (#47593791)

Why is it our media (even this post) always seems to portray Hamas in a positive light?

Wait a minute. Where is this summary even remotely pro-anything but technology? It's simply outlining the high tech that's being employed in this conflict, it by no means draws any conclusions of that conflict.

I personally feel the post is in just the right context for a /. article, its about technology, not about who's using it (though there's talk of who's supplied whom, but still fails to cast a good or bad tilt on it.)

Ahh... (5, Insightful)

jaredm1 (1620295) | about 3 months ago | (#47593225)

Just another article that makes big claims yet shockingly thin on any details. How are we on /. meant to have any discussion on this when there's nothing tech-worthy - just some questionable allegations.

Thank you captain obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593235)

As far back as Vietnam (and probably long before), insurgents quickly learned that to stay near their launchers while engaging a technologically superior foe meant a quick death. The Viet Cong used mirrors, doorbells, and other low tech to monitor their tunnels to great effect.

Re:Thank you captain obvious (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593299)

Why don't they flood the tunnels with methane, and torch the "high tech" in advance of their destruction? They are ultimately looking to destroy these tunnels anyway, not to preserve them.

Re: Thank you captain obvious (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593699)

You stupid fuck, unless you're an anti-semite you'd know killing with gas is anathema for Israel.

Billions? (5, Insightful)

Ecuador (740021) | about 3 months ago | (#47593245)

If Hamas were funded with billions, they would not be limited to firing 500-Euro worth DIY rockets [wikipedia.org] ... But then again the article is from "timesofisrael.com", which I suspect is a strong believer in the idea that the entire world is conspiring to help Hamas bring terror over Israel, and whoever thinks otherwise is obviously promoting antisemitism.
I thought /. was not about promoting a particular political agenda - even if it is thrown a thin "tech" veil...

Re:Billions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593329)

I thought /. was not about promoting a particular political agenda - even if it is thrown a thin "tech" veil...

I can't remember Slashdot not being political.

Re:Billions? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593415)

You weren't here before 2004 then.

That year, Slashdot suddenly became political in support of the Kerry campaign, rolling out a progressive "Politics dot Slashdot dot org" sub-domain and flooding users with Democratic propoganda. That was also the year that paid subscriptions (I bet you don't remember that, either) from the users dropped by two thirds, resulting in a downward spiral that results in Beta dot Slashdot dot org today, and the community fork, SoylentNews [soylentnews.org] .

Re:Billions? (4, Informative)

bluegutang (2814641) | about 3 months ago | (#47593427)

Well, the entire article is based off of verbatim quotes from "Aviad Dadon of Israeli cyber-security firm AdoreGroup", transcribed and translated from an interview on Israel Radio. It's not at all clear where Dadon gets his information. So, if you trust him, the article is reliable. If not, then no. The article may be correct, but it isn't exactly serious investigative journalism.

Re:Billions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593769)

Hamas has been funded with billions. The rockets they are firing are not all Qassams - most are not. Also, research on wikipedia is immediate fail.

Re:Billions? (2)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 3 months ago | (#47593841)

If Hamas were funded with billions, they wouldn't need "terror tunnels" to smuggle food across the border with Egypt.

Here's a good article about the tunnels:
Inside the tunnels Hamas built: Israel's struggle against new tactic in Gaza war [theguardian.com]

Three different kinds of tunnels existed beneath Gaza, said Eado Hecht, an Israeli defence analyst specialising in underground warfare: smuggling tunnels between Gaza and Egypt; defensive tunnels inside Gaza, used for command centres and weapons storage; and --connected to the defensive tunnels --offensive tunnels used for cross-border attacks on Israel. The military says it has located about 32 to 35 offensive tunnels, of which more than half have been destroyed, and it believes that there are around 40 in total.

The offensive tunnels have been dug by hand, as the use of machinery would risk detection. Military analysts estimate that each tunnel takes two to three years to complete, and costs millions of dollars.

Destroying the tunnels is also a painstaking operation. "This is very dangerous work," said Hecht. "Firstly, locating the tunnel entrances is very difficult; they are needles in a haystack." Remote technology does not yet exist to locate and map tunnels deep underground, he said, hence the need for troops.

Bobby traps (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593249)

I wasn't aware British police was active in Gaza.

Re:Bobby traps (1)

plover (150551) | about 3 months ago | (#47593305)

"That's what I said: booty traps!"

Qatar is a Puppet of Israel and the US (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593251)

Qatar wouldn't take a shit without running it by the US and Israel. Qatar is supporting Hamas because Israel needs a credible enemy to justify its brutal repression of the Palestinians. If Qatar were really doing something that Israel disapproved of, Israel would be bombing Qatar and the US would be pushing for regime change in Qatar.

Don't fall for the false flag bullshit.

Re:Qatar is a Puppet of Israel and the US (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593323)

Where is the "-1, delusional paranoid idiot" mod? Guess I'll have to settle for troll.

Re:Qatar is a Puppet of Israel and the US (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593799)

On the contrary, this busts the myth that Qatar is an ally of the US. Either that, or that Qatar knows that the US doesn't give a rat's ass about Israel, and is absolutely fine w/ Qatar backing Hamas.

Thats amazing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593259)

"...networked, cloud-based launching software provided by Qatar which can set off a rocket from any distance, and set them to go off at a specific time, using timers."

That's some high tech shit right there! Thank's for luring me in... As per usual...

Qatar follows a Previous Model (4, Insightful)

rmdingler (1955220) | about 3 months ago | (#47593269)

The United States and the former Soviet Union were renowned during the Cold War for testing new warfare technology in a foreign theatre. Israeli use of US military tech has been a proving ground for decades for new ways to deliver death and destruction.

Although there's a measure of efficacy that can only be achieved in real time conflict, there's a downside.

The technology is also exposed to your enemy, theoretically allowing different defense methods to be tested.

Re:Qatar follows a Previous Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593383)

I've never actually looked at it this way.
Seeing the Israeli Palestinian conflict as yet another proxy war actually makes a lot of sense.
Especially when you look at the way the media is used to paint one side as completely good or completely evil depending on which country you are in.

Re:Qatar follows a Previous Model (0, Offtopic)

benjfowler (239527) | about 3 months ago | (#47593531)

If that were truly the case, and if Israeli really wanted to wipe out the Palestinians, that the breathless pro-Hamas dupes posting here claim, there wouldn't be a single Palestinian alive on Earth. Given what the Russians did to Grozny in the Second Chechan War, and given how much more overwhelmingly powerful the Western militaries are, it's actually a credit to the Israelis they've been able to do so little damage and kill so few people.

Anyway, what about Syrian civilians, slaughtered wholesale by (inferior) Russian weaponry. 200,000+ dead. Don't they count?

Re:Qatar follows a Previous Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593559)

What better test for weapons than a real life war situation ? And start a war in one's own country is not a good idea. Therefore, the only way weapons can be tested is in foreign theaters. You have a better idea ?

Misleading headline (5, Insightful)

wheelbarrio (1784594) | about 3 months ago | (#47593297)

That's not an article about the high tech warfare behind the Israel-Hamas conflict. It's an article about the alleged use of some pretty run-of-the-mill technology by one side (Hamas) with no reference to the actual sophisticated technology used by the other side (Israel). If the article in itself isn't necessarily so, the phrasing of the headline and the summary here is an attempt to portray this conflict as something other than the massively one-sided affair that it actually is. It's a whitewash pure and simple. I wish both sides would just stop killing each other but seriously, "cloud-based launching software"? So Hamas can launch unguided rockets without having to stand next to them. Sounds pretty nasty compared to sophisticated air defence, MBTs, total air superiority and massed artillery.

The just bombed a school (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593491)

It's more sickening when you realize they deliberately targetted the school Israel just bombed. There would be a meeting where that school would be chosen, the coordinates entered and the missile launched, and at the meeting they'd have their propaganda unit there to plan the cover-up.

They're just murderers with political clout, nothing else.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about 3 months ago | (#47593551)

And also shows how Hamas are taking the moral high ground too... /s.

And claiming that "desperation" justifies behaving like thugs, and launching those unguided POS bottle rockets by remote control at civilians is somehow justified... Just got to love those good old fashioned Islamic moral values...

Re:Misleading headline (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593693)

Have a look at what happened to Dresden [wikipedia.org] . Desperate people do desperate things. The USA & UK even allied with Stalin.

really? So Hamas is now a tech war machine? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593311)

oh, please, just stop trying to justify what Israel is doing. They didn't even really know who actually killed those three people when they started bombing. They still don't know.

Hmm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593317)

I guess we now know who is running slashdot.

Hmmm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593325)

I guess we know now who is behind slashdot.

Yeah, sure, youbetcha! (3, Interesting)

mark_reh (2015546) | about 3 months ago | (#47593337)

"Anyone who thinks they have dozens of people sitting next to launchers firing rockets each time there is a barrage is mistaken,"

So let me see if I understand what you're saying: A bunch of guys who are at war set up a rocket launcher with a timer, then go away leaving it unguarded so that anyone can walk up to it and, oh, I don't know, shut it off, blow it up, steal it, etc.?

Gimme a break.

Re:Yeah, sure, youbetcha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593581)

The locals are guarding it for them. And they are not only timers. Remote control weapons are not that uncommon anyway. And you are shooting at targets dozens of miles away anyway, the target observers should do the targeting and firing anyway, from remote target observation posts.

Re:Yeah, sure, youbetcha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593727)

Are you under the impression that the setup is there for weeks at a time? It's probably a set-it-up, spend 5 minutes getting away before it starts launching, type of affair. Once the ammo supply is used up, which probably doesn't take too long, there's nothing left worth stealing or shutting off.

Plus if you don't want people messing with your stuff in times of war, you booby-trap it. Even if you don't do that for all of them, if enough people even think you might have done that, they won't touch the stuff by hand.

Re:Yeah, sure, youbetcha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593773)

Are you retarded? They're on egg timers since almost the start of intefada.

Unless you lack any kind of self-preservation you won't go anywhere near those launchers because:
1) Sniper fire
2) Whistleblowers if you're a palestinian trying to disarm
3) Israeli forces might put a shell in the area after launch is detected.

Stefan Molyneux's YouTube Video (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593365)

"The Truth About Israel and Palestine": http://youtu.be/iKzlh9kN4HI [youtu.be]

Qatar is in an arms race with Saudi Arabia, What? (3, Insightful)

SpzToid (869795) | about 3 months ago | (#47593377)

The summary says Qatar is worried of being attacked and overtaken in a technological arms race, by Saudi Arabia. Really? Since when?

From TFA:

Politics is behind Qatar’s willingness to pay for Hamas’ cyber-system. The Saudis believe that Qatar is behind efforts to unseat the Saudi royal family — using social media and the Al-Jazeera satellite channel — and Riyadh earlier this year recalled its ambassador to Doha, after he refused to pledge that it would “not interfere in others’ internal affairs,” according to Eli Aviad, who formerly headed Israel’s Economic Liaison office in Qatar.

I'd like something a little more substantive to back this up. The paragraph concludes:

While they are primarily interested in cyber self-defense, Aviad said, they are also interested in assisting their Muslim Brotherhood allies — and hence their willingness to fund the Hamas terror program. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Sorry, I gotta take any news value coming from TFA with a chunk of salt.

Sources? (4, Insightful)

wombatmobile (623057) | about 3 months ago | (#47593403)

The sole source of information for the article is "Aviad Dadon of Israeli cyber-security firm AdoreGroup." Is that an independent source?

What do most Americans know about the background [bit.ly] to the Israel Palestinian conflict, which has been going for 67 years?

Summmary seems very one sided (5, Insightful)

grahamsaa (1287732) | about 3 months ago | (#47593407)

Sure, I'm willing to believe that Hamas has some technology behind what they're doing, but it surely can't be anywhere near as advanced as what the IDF has. The Israel / Hamas conflict is about as mismatched as it would be if the US went to war with Bolivia. I'm sure if that happened, some people in the American press would point out that the Bolivians have rifles, while forgetting to mention that we have nuclear subs and airfraft carriers.

Re:Summmary seems very one sided (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about 3 months ago | (#47593435)

yes its probably more cost-effective to make more crude rockets than to try and engage in a tech arms race with Israel - there also the q how tech savvy is the average Hamas fighter and would it make sense to risk those you do have at the front line when you can get any activist to carry a few rockets and fire them off via a command wire.

Re:Summmary seems very one sided (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593503)

You mean like the US attacked Grenada, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea, etc. you know. Those Bolivia equivalents.

Re:Summmary seems very one sided (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593533)

So Israel is at fault because they are too backwards and uncivilized to engage in any technological development of their own? Israel built a country by the sweat of the Jewish people. The Palestinians chose barbarism and now they're getting what they deserve.

Re:Summmary seems very one sided (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593631)

Last time I looked, the US government (built by our sweat, only 2% Jewish) is the one that has been building the country of Israel since its creation. If you think Palestinian women and babies deserve to be killed by Israel / US rockets, then you are one of the sick fucks that the world would be much better off without.

Re:Summmary seems very one sided (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593611)

You don't need very sophisticated weapons if accuracy and targeting is not of priority. Just fire randomly at any population centers of Israel will get the result Hamas wants. You should be able to do that with your eyes closed, with not information about deployment of anything.

Re:Summmary seems very one sided (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593811)

Sure, I'm willing to believe that Hamas has some technology behind what they're doing, but it surely can't be anywhere near as advanced as what the IDF has. The Israel / Hamas conflict is about as mismatched as it would be if the US went to war with Bolivia. I'm sure if that happened, some people in the American press would point out that the Bolivians have rifles, while forgetting to mention that we have nuclear subs and airfraft carriers.

It would definitely be one sided with nuclear subs and aircraft carriers... Especially since Bolivia is a land locked country. The Americans won't even see it coming!

Birds of a feather.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593465)

I like how Muslims killing people in any other part of the world is met with switch condemnation and in some cases even military response [b]except[/b] when it happens to be Jews that they are trying to kill. Of course in this particular case, their adversary can and is handily crushing them, so suddenly that makes them victims somehow. It's just fucking madness. STOP the Muslim propaganda. These savage people must be dealt with as many times as it is required.

NO MORE APPEASEMENT!

Three strikes (1)

PPH (736903) | about 3 months ago | (#47593469)

Your ISP catches you stealing three videos or launching three rockets and you get cut off. Its right there in your Terms Of Service.

Cloud-based, probably wireless command an control systems are pretty esy to rednedr useless by a technologically advanced enemy like Israel. Heck, just fire up a cell phone jammer.

Bad Path (1)

Jim Sadler (3430529) | about 3 months ago | (#47593495)

I do feel that the Arabs are getting a raw deal in relation to the west and Israel there needs to be some really deep thinking going on. For example it is just dandy to have a timer and an auto launch ability on these small missiles but where does it lead? If one finds that most often the hostiles are not near the launch site the launch site will still be hit hard and probably some other place, perhaps randomly selected, in hope of getting the point across. Naturally hatred will result and it may be that large area saturation bombing starts to take place. And if that level of strike does not work the US and Israel are faced with two choices. One is pulling out and letting the region descend into total chaos and violence. The other more drastic choice is total war and the elimination of the regions existence. Considering the military history of the US as well as the ability and the readily available weaponry this conflict could end when places such as Palestine are simply exterminated. The suicide bomber like tactics are not something well addressed by a conventional military as uniforms are not used. But we are very, very good at things like carpet bombing or fire bombing major cities. I am suggesting that the terror tactics can never lead to any victory unless the US somehow decides it is OK to lose the region which is very unlikely.

The real truth about "high tech" weapons in Gaza.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593535)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N6ZLcoSnlU&list=UUNpAwV6GlFst1x3jmqCgYbQ

Oh, dear god, please do shut up. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593585)

How the hell did this piece of unsubstantiated propagandic crap make it into the Slashdot feed?

Straight from a "reliable" Israeli source, no less.

How about this one?

Israeli military announce they will bomb al-Shifa hospital in Gaza [mondoweiss.net]

The difference between those two stories? The second one is probably true, and it shows the true face of this conflict.

Also, please remember who set up Hamas in the first place. (Hint: It wasn't Palestine.)

In the cloud! (1)

whois (27479) | about 3 months ago | (#47593617)

"networked, cloud-based launching software provided by Qatar which can set off a rocket from any distance, and set them to go off at a specific time, using timers"

What's the difference between this and cell-phone activated stuff they've been using for years? (source: any war movie featuring IEDs)

It's on the Internet.. and they've found out how to use TIME CLOCKS!?

Re:In the cloud! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593731)

Cell phone systems are more easily blocked and monitored than random traffic obviously.

Cyber-warfare and Booby traps in tunnels (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47593751)

What is the connection between cyber-warfare and booby traps in tunnels? Is there any?

Billions of pesos? (4, Insightful)

future assassin (639396) | about 3 months ago | (#47593761)

What kinds of utter BS propaganda is this?

Did you know

>>The military announced early Sunday that 23-year-old Hadar Goldin of the Givati infantry brigade had been killed in battle on Friday.

So they bombed away and killed 35+ Palestinians on a lie. Buddy wasn't kidanpped he was killed in battle.

Slashver-ganda? (2)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 3 months ago | (#47593833)

Not even a week ago: Gaza's Only Power Plant Knocked Offline [slashdot.org]

Hamas can't even power their social media campaign (i.e. their lifeblood) continuously, but we're supposed to believe they can coordinate rocket fire over the same internet while also deploying Aperture science into their tunnels?

And this from an unnamed IDF contractor talking to a media outlet that has quite literally called for the genocide of Palestinians [google.com] ?

Good job, guys.

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