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VIM 6.0 is Out

CmdrTaco posted about 13 years ago | from the best-text-editor-in-the-world dept.

News 585

LinuxNews.pl writes "It's more then a year after releasing the first 6.0 alpha. Lot's of improvements (i.e. you can edit files via FTP!) - check them out on vim.org" Of course everyone knows that vim is the best text editor in the world. Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane. (Or an emacs user, in which case they are wrong, lying and criminally insane).

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Feline Poop (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359530)

Fuck you LambdaMOOer motherfuckers! Piss on you all! Goddamn you piss me off.

No... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359532)

Taco's comments wouldn't be considered flamebait... Nah...

BSD is gay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359561)

IDC confirmed this week that *BSD accounts for more than 35 percent of
all sales of poppers. This news serves to reinforce what we've known
all along. *BSD is collapsing into complete homosexuality.

You don't need to be a Turing to predict *BSD's future. The hand-
wipings are on the wall; *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there
won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying of the
Virus. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose T-cells.
Red pus flows like a river of semen. FreeBSD is the most endangered of
them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBathhouse leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of
OpenBathhouse. How many users of NetBathhouse are there? Let's
see. The number of OpenBathhouse versus NetBathhouse posts on Usenet
is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 =
1400 NetBathhouse users. Bathhouse/OS posts on Usenet are about half
of the volume of NetBathhouse posts. Therefore there are about 700
users of Bathhouse/OS. A recent article put FreeBathhouse at about 80
percent of the *Bathhouse market. Therefore there are
(7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBathhouse users. This is consistent with
the number of FreeBathhouse Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBH
went out of business and was taken over by BHI who sell another
troubled fuck hole. Now BHI is also dead, its corpse turned over to
another fag house.

All major psychological tests show that *BSD has steadily declined
in pussy-lust. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects
are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among bi-curious
high-school. *BSD continues to be gay. Nothing short of twenty-year-old
Sophia Loren's gleaming, fragrant vulva could save it at this point
in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is gay.

Elvis found dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359713)

N/T

-1 Flamebait (1, Troll)

tb3 (313150) | about 13 years ago | (#2359534)

I'll be back tomorrow when the flamewar has cooled off.

I am lying, wrong, and criminally insane. (-1, Offtopic)

The Gline (173269) | about 13 years ago | (#2359537)

This sentence is false.
This sentence no verb.

Flaimbait! (0, Offtopic)

adadun (267785) | about 13 years ago | (#2359539)

If that isn't flaimbait, then what is!?

vi versus emacs (4, Funny)

Rupert (28001) | about 13 years ago | (#2359540)

Boy, the way Taco is trying to start a holy war here, anyone would think that he made money on ad impressions every time someone posted a comment.

Re:vi versus emacs (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359653)

How do you mean 'start a holy war'... vi vs emacs
stems from way back... it's the mother of all flamewars.

but it's solid content! (2, Insightful)

hawk (1151) | about 13 years ago | (#2359708)

Finally, after all the errors, reposts, gullibility, and the like, we have solid information being reported on slashdot. No reasonable person can dispute what he wrote, save possibly the technical issue of whether "wrong" and "criminally insane" are in any way contradictory--but anyone who waste time on that matter would probably use emacs, anyway . . .


:)


hawk

CT's bias (5, Funny)

sl70 (9796) | about 13 years ago | (#2359542)

How come we can't mod CT's original post down as a troll?

Re:CT's bias (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359587)

You can just ignore it

It's the Taco (-1, Offtopic)

unformed (225214) | about 13 years ago | (#2359607)

It being a troll is just assumed and considered common knowledge. By modding him down, you should be modded down -1: Redundant.

Re:CT's bias (1)

uchian (454825) | about 13 years ago | (#2359651)

Nah, I'd mod it up as informative!

(trolling since ooh, about 5 minutes ago :-) )

New feature (2, Funny)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | about 13 years ago | (#2359545)

3 modes editing: now hitting the ESC repeatedly won't help you, you're doomed.

This announcement is flamebait (0, Redundant)

CyberGarp (242942) | about 13 years ago | (#2359548)

And thus another round of Emacs Versus Vi begins.

>

Re:This announcement is flamebait (1)

EvlPenguin (168738) | about 13 years ago | (#2359622)

Never before did my sig so aptly apply to a story.

bah (1, Troll)

ahknight (128958) | about 13 years ago | (#2359550)

Slashdot: Enabling useless holy wars since 199x.

How to convince people you're insane (-1, Funny)

Shane Hathaway (210174) | about 13 years ago | (#2359557)

* chase after cars and bark

* stand in street corners wearing a sign that says "will work to be commited"

* circle any random person and when they ask you what you're doing tell them "you're my long lost aunt and i love you"

* make friends with someone get their address and send them freaky
letters telling them that you're watching their every move etc

* run around your neighborhood yelling "they finally got me, they're coming to get you they're watching you!!" and fall down on someones front lawn

* get a stick and continue to poke someone and when they look at you insult you etc. yell "i don't want to marry you" and go hug the nearest person and cry

* pretend you're an angel stand on a corner and hold up a sign that says "a kid pulled my wings off"

* lie on a beach and when someone finds you say that you're a survivor from the titanic

* always answer in enraged song titles

* find a phone book with someone and look for the meaning of life.

* find someone and say " i am a doctor and i'm gonna find out where you live and while you're sleeping i'm gonna.....(tee hee hee") and walk away

* Use VI

(Lifted from http://www.forwardgarden.com/forward/20633 ;-)

No holy war (0, Redundant)

nthobe (465703) | about 13 years ago | (#2359558)

He's just right.

Re:No holy war (1)

anshil (302405) | about 13 years ago | (#2359687)

I think he just wanted to write just something, so the story is longer than one single line :/ And after all traffic is traffic, and one knows how to keep the masses in mood :/

Toss that trash! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359559)

MS Visual Studio gives you all that and a bag of chips. Plus, you don't have to pay the Stallman tax.

Pacifist Claptrap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359560)

By Michael Kelly
Wednesday, September 26, 2001; Page A25

Pacifists are not serious people, although they devoutly believe they are, and their arguments are not being taken seriously at the moment. Yet it is worth taking seriously, and in advance of need, the pacifists and their appeal.

It is worth it, first of all, because the idea of peace is inherently attractive; and the more war there is, the more attractive the idea becomes. Second, it is worth it because the reactionary left-liberal crowd in America and in Europe has already staked out its ground here: What happened to America is America's fault, the fruits of foolish arrogance and greedy imperialism, racism, colonialism, etc., etc. From this rises an argument that the resulting war is also an exercise in arrogance and imperialism, etc., and not deserving of support. This argument will be made with greater fearlessness as the first memories of the 7,000 murdered recede. Third, it is worth it because the American foreign policy establishment has all the heart for war of a titmouse, and not one of your braver titmice. The first faint, let-us-be-reasonable bleats can even now be heard: Yes, we must do something, but is an escalation of aggression really the right thing? Mightn't it just make matters ever so much worse?

Pacifists see themselves as obviously on the side of a higher morality, and there is a surface appeal to this notion, even for those who dismiss pacifism as hopelessly naive. The pacifists' argument is rooted entirely in this appeal: Two wrongs don't make a right; violence only begets more violence.

There can be truth in the pacifists' claim to the moral high ground, notably in the case of a war that is waged for manifestly evil purposes. So, for instance, a German citizen who declined to fight for the Nazi cause could be seen (although not likely by his family and friends) as occupying the moral position. But in the situation where one's nation has been attacked -- a situation such as we are now in -- pacifism is, inescapably and profoundly, immoral. Indeed, in the case of this specific situation, pacifism is on the side of the murderers, and it is on the side of letting them murder again.

In 1942 George Orwell wrote this, in Partisan Review, of Great Britain's pacifists:

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me.' "

England's pacifists howled, but Orwell's logic was implacable. The Nazis wished the British to not fight. If the British did not fight, the Nazis would conquer Britain. The British pacifists also wished the British to not fight. The British pacifists, therefore, were on the side of a Nazi victory over Britain. They were objectively pro-Fascist.

An essentially identical logic obtains now. Organized terrorist groups have attacked America. These groups wish the Americans to not fight. The American pacifists wish the Americans to not fight. If the Americans do not fight, the terrorists will attack America again. And now we know such attacks can kill many thousands of Americans. The American pacifists, therefore, are on the side of future mass murders of Americans. They are objectively pro-terrorist.

There is no way out of this reasoning. No honest person can pretend that the groups that attacked America will, if let alone, not attack again. Nor can any honest person say that this attack is not at least reasonably likely to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people. To not fight in this instance is to let the attackers live to attack and murder again; to be a pacifist in this instance is to accept and, in practice, support this outcome.

As President Bush said of nations: A war has been declared; you are either on one side or another. You are either for doing what is necessary to capture or kill

Re:Pacifist Claptrap (-1, Offtopic)

krek (153865) | about 13 years ago | (#2359645)

First, the Nazis were kind of trying to take over the world, the terrorists just want to get out from under a thumb.

Second, Pacifism is only pacifism when you are being pacifist in support of the underdog, otherwise it is "turning a blind eye".

I belive that the US government is in the wrong! I belive the US populace is in the wrong for "turning a blind eye".

Microsoft Word 6.0 Mac (1, Troll)

sulli (195030) | about 13 years ago | (#2359567)

Come on, everyone knows Microsoft Word 6.0 for the Macintosh is far and away the best text editor out there. I am shocked and amazed that anyone would still use these unix tools that don't have a Tip of the Day and pretty cut and paste buttons! Plus the macro language is extremely useful in Word 6.0 and later versions - if you can't automate your most important features, the program just isn't worth using.

You're wrong! (1)

Vic (6867) | about 13 years ago | (#2359626)

I am shocked and amazed that anyone would still use these unix tools that don't have a Tip of the Day and pretty cut and paste buttons!

Vim has pretty cut'n'paste buttons, and you can write a Vim macro to automatically load a random help file on startup. :-)

-Vic

Re:You're wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359655)

And don't forget about Vigor, the Anti-clippy!

Re:You're wrong! (1)

uchian (454825) | about 13 years ago | (#2359689)

Yeah, but it doesn't have a paper clip telling you what to do, does it?

Re:You're wrong! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359691)

But I need help to write those macros! All the stuff I know, I dont need help for.

Re:Microsoft Word 6.0 Mac (1)

BloodyStupidJohnson (150956) | about 13 years ago | (#2359676)

I must disagree. The last good version of Word was 5.1 on the macintosh.

However, the best text editor is in fact BBedit followed closely by vi.

NEdit!!!!! (1, Redundant)

CaptIronfist (457257) | about 13 years ago | (#2359568)

Nedit Rocks my .... ;)

Anybody knows the definition of 'sarcasm' ?

Re:NEdit!!!!! (2, Insightful)

rnbc (174939) | about 13 years ago | (#2359646)

Definetly... emacs is way more powerfull, as well as vi, but nedit for quick, painless editing really rocks.

And is the only editor really modeless for Unix I know. I mean really modeless: open the Find window and you can still edit your text. You can open N windows at the same time, each for it's own function, and they all work at the same time, just like old X11 programs used to be, and contrary to most windows programs where opening special window deactivates the main window.

Office Assistant? (5, Funny)

mmontour (2208) | about 13 years ago | (#2359570)

So did Vigor [red-bean.com] , the vi paperclip, make it into the 6.0 release?

Kill All Muslims. Destroy Islam. Exterminate Arabs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359571)

Our dead cry out in tortured horror:

Kill all Muslims.

Kill all Mohammedans.

Kill all Arabs.

Kill all Towel Heads.

Kill all Camel Jockeys.

Kill all Dune Coons.

Kill all Islam.

Nuke their countries to hell.

Nuke them again.

Death to Islam.

I menstruate on Mecca. I wipe my ass with the Koran. I piss on Mohammed.

vim sucks (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359574)

All true hackers know nvi is where it's at. Vim is for emacs wannabes.

Not to start a flame war;) (1, Redundant)

dfelznic (8812) | about 13 years ago | (#2359577)

Hello,
If you are going to put an editor story on slashdot you know that you are going to start a editor war. So I thought I would offer my two cents. I like nano the enhanced pico. It is small lightwieght and has search and replace. Perfect for editing config files...

Re:Not to start a flame war;) (1)

z84976 (64186) | about 13 years ago | (#2359674)

FINALLY!!!

Someone else who's seen the light!! Truly, nano is the ideal lightweight editor... BUT if you're in X I highly suggest Glimmer...

because the 'announce' link doesn't work... (4, Offtopic)

Si (9816) | about 13 years ago | (#2359578)

here's the text of the latest 6.0ax announcement:

From: Bram Moolenaar
To: vim-announce@vim.org
Subject: Vim version 6.0ax BETA is available
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:51:23 +0200
Message-Id: Announcing: Vim (Vi IMproved) version 6.0ax BETA
Author: Bram Moolenaar et al. Announcement
------------ This is a BETA test version of Vim. Vim 6.0 is a huge step from Vim
5.x. Many, many new features and improvements have been included. For
an overview, with a few screendumps, look here: http://vim.sf.net/whyvim.php The past two weeks many bugs have been fixed. This release is to check
if no mistakes were made. If nothing important comes up, 6.0 will be
released in a few days. Thanks to all people who reported problems and
helped fixing them! If you notice a problem, please report it! It would be annoying if Vim
6.0 will be released with a problem that could have been fixed if you
would have reported it. If you are upgrading from Vim 5.x, please look out for problems you run into.
Vim 6.0 is mostly backwards compatible, but not 100%. Check out ":help
version6" for known incompatibilities. If you find a problem that can be
solved, please report it to me. Details about changes since the first beta can be found in these messages:
6.0aqhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 23413
6.0arhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 23598
6.0ashttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 23730
6.0athttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 23941
6.0auhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 24252
6.0avhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 24546
6.0awhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 24841
6.0axhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev/messag e/ 25061 You can find the most recent patches here: ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unreleased/patches What is Vim?
------------ Vim is an almost 100% compatible version of the UNIX editor Vi. Many new
features have been added: Multi level undo, syntax highlighting, command line
history, filename completion, block operations, etc. Those who don't know Vi
can probably skip this message, unless you are prepared to learn something new
and useful. Vim is especially recommended for editing programs. Vim runs on almost any Unix flavor, MS-DOS, MS-Windows 3.1, MS-Windows
95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP, OS/2, Atari MiNT, BeOS, VMS, RISC OS, Macintosh and
Amiga. For more information, see http://vim.sf.net. New since version 5.8
--------------------- The number of changes is huge. These are just the main new items: Folding - momentarily hide part of the text
Vertically split windows - mixed with horizontal splits
Diff mode - show and remove differences between files
Easy Vim: click-and-type - for those who really don't like two modes
User manual - learn to use Vim, reads like a book
Flexible indenting - automatic indenting for any language
Extended search patterns - more regexp power than you will need
UTF-8 support - Unicode allows editing nearly all languages
Multi-language support - translated messages and menus
Plugin support - drop a script in a directory and you can use it
Filetype plugins - an easy way to setup for editing a type of file
File browser - browse directories, also on a terminal
Editing files over a network - read and write a remote files directly
command-line editing window - use any Vim command to edit an Ex command
Debugging mode - debug your Vim functions and scripts
Cursor in virtual position - edit tables and draw ASCII pictures
Debugger interface - use Vim with Sun Visual Workshop
Communication between Vims - let one Vim tell another Vim what to do
Printing - print with syntax colors
Quickfix extended - see error messages in a window and jump there
Writing files improved - rename or copy to make a backup file
Argument list - select groups of files to work on
Restore a View - save the looks of a window and restore it later
Color schemes - quickly switch between different color setups See this page for the details: http://vim.sf.net/htmldoc/version6.html Where to get it
--------------- Information about which files to download for what system: http://vim.sf.net/download.php If you already know what to get, download it from here: ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unreleased Or use one of the mirrors, see: ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/MIRRORS Mailing lists
------------- For user questions you can turn to the Vim mailing list. There are a lot of
tips, scripts and solutions. You can ask your Vim questions, but only if you
subscribe. See http://www.vim.org/mail.html. An archive is kept at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim. If you want to help developing Vim or get the latest patches, subscribe to
the vim-dev mailing list. An archive is kept at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vimdev. Subject specific lists:
Multi-byte issues: vim-multibyte http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-multibyte
Macintosh issues: vim-mac http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vim-mac Reporting bugs
-------------- Send them to . Please describe the problem precisely. All the
time spent on answering mail is subtracted from the time that is spent on
improving Vim! Always give a reproducable example and try to find out which
settings or other things influence the appearance of the bug. Try starting
without your own vimrc file: "vim -u NONE -U NONE". Try different machines
if possible. See ":help bugs" in Vim. Send me a patch if you can! If something needs discussing with other developers, send a message to the
vim-dev mailing list. You need to subscribe first. Happy Vimming!

Screen dumps??? (4, Funny)

hawk (1151) | about 13 years ago | (#2359717)

It's a text editor. Screen dumps? Ooh, look: a v, and an i, and an m. And all those vowels . . .


:)


hawk

Real Programmers... (5, Funny)

istvandragosani (181886) | about 13 years ago | (#2359579)

...use cat and od

Re:Real Programmers... (4, Funny)

Smitty825 (114634) | about 13 years ago | (#2359635)

Yea, I'm not quite that good yet. I'm still using sed :-)

Re:Real Programmers... (4, Insightful)

halftrack (454203) | about 13 years ago | (#2359659)

Real Programmers...:
* Doesn't get mixed into /. flamewars.
* Doesn't care how other people do their work - as long as they get it done.
* Do care enough about how he/she does the job and makes his own choises.

(I've currently only broken 1 of the aboves. Getting closer.)

Re:Real Programmers... (1)

anshil (302405) | about 13 years ago | (#2359664)

and reeeeeal programmers edit their inodes on the harddisk with magned needles.

You forgot.. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359580)

"Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally insane."

You forgot "selling something." :)

The other Vim site (5, Informative)

anonymous cowpie (31472) | about 13 years ago | (#2359582)

... is at SourceForge [sf.net] . IMHO these pages are better organized and more helpful than the stuff on vim.org. Obviously not always up to date though, as the front page does not yet reflect the 6.0 release. :-|

PICO (1, Informative)

Heem (448667) | about 13 years ago | (#2359584)

in my day, we didnt have no fancy-shmancy editors, we used pico, and we liked it.

what's the difference? (3, Insightful)

metalhed77 (250273) | about 13 years ago | (#2359585)

as a novice linux user I ask what is the difference between Vi And EMACS. I don't want to hear your opinion, but feature wise what is the difference?

No flames please.

Re:what's the difference? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359620)

Vi is a small, lightweight editor that allows you to do your editing and get on with life.

Emacs is a large, heavy editor that does everything except make your coffee (though that feature is in development). It allows you to set up shop and live within the environment. If it weren't for eating, you'd never have to leave. I heard a version of Emacs IV is in development to deliver glucose directly into your veins.

vi haiku (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359588)

in editing mode
attempt to quit after mistake
my cron tab won't run

Stress test (3, Funny)

Papa Legba (192550) | about 13 years ago | (#2359589)

All I can figure is that the Slashdot coders have made some sort of change and want to see if the crap filter can take a huge load or not. Batten down the hatches! It's destructive testing time! The only explination I can find for this topic at least.

Vim is best? Pshaw! Try Vigor! (1)

Alan Livingston (209463) | about 13 years ago | (#2359590)

When not using Notepad to peck out the occasional .asp file, I use Vigor. Now in version Pi! Of course, Vigor is the best text editor in the world!

Emacs emulation in vim? (2)

Jonathan (5011) | about 13 years ago | (#2359594)

Emacs has had a vi-emulation mode for ages. Has anyone done an emacs emulation mode for vim?

Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359643)

Easy way to emulate Emacs in vi:

1) Fire up vi
2) Close vi
3) Fire up Emacs
4) Use Emacs
5) Realize all the features you've been missing in vi that have existed in Emacs for ages

Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359647)

vile, any one?

Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (1)

Vic (6867) | about 13 years ago | (#2359648)

Oh come on.....that's like telling a Yugo to emulate a Ferarri. ;-)

-Vic

Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359695)

a more apt comparison might be to make a Yugo emulate one of those a Lincoln Navigator - elephantine, resource guzziling, and wholy unnecessary.

Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (5, Funny)

DJerman (12424) | about 13 years ago | (#2359699)

No, it's like asking a Ferrari to emulate a 60-story office complex, an employment agency, an aircraft manufacturer, a luxury yacht, and a Ferrari.

philosophy (1)

Mdog (25508) | about 13 years ago | (#2359650)

A vi emulation mode is perfectly in keeping with the emacs philosophy: I made it part of the editor because it was there.

An emacs emulation mode makes no sense in vi, because it is not in keeping with the radical vi philosophy of "this is something to edit text with."

Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359661)

So this emacs emulation mode, would it use up enormous amounts of memory and processor cycles, and require an eight key combination to do anything?

Re:Emacs emulation in vim? (5, Funny)

Laplace (143876) | about 13 years ago | (#2359711)

Do you know what they call that emulation mode?

VILE (vi-like emacs)

For vi emulation of emacs, just type ":sh emacs" (without the quotes)

Nice to see... (5, Insightful)

Klaruz (734) | about 13 years ago | (#2359596)

Don't expect great new features in a next version. Vim has grown into a complex program with so many features and options that there is nobody who uses them all. Stability and easy of use are the main goals for the future.

I'm not a vi user, and this isn't intended to start a flame war, but it's nice to see vim sticking by it's one of it's principles - making a lightweight editor.

Only v6.0? (5, Funny)

gotroot801 (7857) | about 13 years ago | (#2359597)

Bah - Emacs is already at version 20. Clearly this means Emacs is 333% better than vim!

Wait, you mean version numbers aren't a measure of quality? Dang!

Re:Only v6.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359657)

No, version number isn't a mesure of quality.
Scientific proof == Microsoft products.
:P

Re:Only v6.0? (1)

pi radians (170660) | about 13 years ago | (#2359698)

If that were true, think about how much better Windows 2000 is than everything else.

My operating system is only at 10.1.

Vim (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359601)

Vim should be banned, and its users should be arrested as terrorists, and using terrorists (hackers and crackers) tools!!!

blah!

Vi, NOT vim! (1, Flamebait)

EvlPenguin (168738) | about 13 years ago | (#2359603)

I've used the original vi for as long as I can remember, but I absolutely cannot stand vim. After toying with it for a few minutes, and realizing the ^O command didn't work in input mode, i then tested the :q! function, which did infact work.

Use elvis [the-little...d-girl.org] . It's just a better editor.

Re:Vi, NOT vim! (1)

Zagadka (6641) | about 13 years ago | (#2359705)

The ^O command?

PICO (0, Offtopic)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | about 13 years ago | (#2359605)

OK, I _know_ this will most likely mod me down, but... I use Pico, and I like it just fine. I will admit that I have and still do use Vi from time to time, but for most things, Pico is simple and easy enough for a newbie (like me) to use. Thank you.

My Choice... (3, Funny)

SoulSeller (303340) | about 13 years ago | (#2359632)

I still stand by WordPerfect 5.1 (Change font = Ctrl+Alt+ScrLock+PageDown+Fe+F6+F12+~+X), or Edlin... The preferred Text Editor amongst Sado-Masochists.

Stay out of the Vim vs Emacs flamewar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359611)

Use Nedit [nedit.org] !

vi for emacs (2, Flamebait)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | about 13 years ago | (#2359612)

For those of us who use emacs, there's a great simulation [www.dina.dk] available of the vi experience. (Check out the parent directory of that URL for more of the same)

Quick, emacs 22! (1)

gmarceau (119282) | about 13 years ago | (#2359617)

Emacs users of the world! We need a new version of emacs so evil vi users can be bashed on slashdot's front page.

oh, I forget. emacs doesn't need new versions.

I use Pico (0, Offtopic)

BiggestPOS (139071) | about 13 years ago | (#2359618)

What does that make me?

Lameass lameness filter. GAY

ahem.... (1)

terpia (28218) | about 13 years ago | (#2359619)

I Will Say What NoOne Else Will::

PICO IS THE BEST!!!!!

Why does Cmdr Taco enjoy sucking cock? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359624)

ipso posto factum

One War at a time, Please (1, Redundant)

Alien54 (180860) | about 13 years ago | (#2359625)

It is enough that we have the war on terrorism. we also have the war on drugs, the wart on Microsoft (typo left in), and the browser wars.

now we get to stir up the editor wars and the distro wars.

This keeps up, and I'll have a reason to be at war with just about everyone I run into.

Time to call a time-out.

Vim * (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359628)

Because:

Vim users code well enough to not require sanity
checking.

Vim users know how to make wordwrap work.

Vim users know how use regular expressions, while
pico kiddies keep making faces.

Vim, is little, yellow, different.

I use Vim, cause I am awesome. Don't you want to
be awesome too?

Vi is included with almost EVERY unix flavor/distro under the sun.

Vim/Vi users dont whine like some people..
"wheres pico on this system?!"

Taco is right, Emacs people suck. Pico people suck. Need we say more!?

Re:Vim * (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359682)

"Real programmers consider what you see is what you get to be just as bad a concept in software as it is in women. Real programmers want a "You asked for it, you got it" editor. Powerful. Dangerous. unforgiving. TECO, to be precise.

TECO takes the concepts of VI even further. Long live TECO!

*BSD is gay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359634)

IDC confirmd this week that *BSD accounts for more than 35 percent of all sales of poppers. This news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing into complete homosexuality.

You don't need to be a Turing to predict *BSD's future. The handwipings are on the wall; *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying of the AIDS Virus. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose T-cells. Red pus flows like a river of semen. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBathhouse leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBathhouse. How many users of NetBathhouse are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBathhouse versus NetBathhouse posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBathhouse users. Bathhouse/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBathhouse posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Bathhouse/OS. A recent article put FreeBathhouse at about 80 percent of the *Bathhouse market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBathhouse users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBathhouse Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled fuck hole. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another fag house.

All major psychological tests show that *BSD has steadily declined in pussy-lust. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among bi-curious high-school faggots. *BSD continues to be gay. Nothing short of twenty-year-old Sophia Loren's gleaming, fragrant vulva could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is gay.

CmdrTaco, please... (0, Troll)

proxima (165692) | about 13 years ago | (#2359636)

"Of course everyone knows that vim is the best text editor in the world. Anyone who tells you differently is either wrong, lying, or criminally
insane. (Or an emacs user, in which case they are wrong, lying and criminally insane)."


Please, CmdrTaco, have some respect for different opinions. Many people like Vi/Vim, many people like Emacs/Xemacs. I personally have used and continue to use both for various things. I find vi great for editing configuration files and quick alterations to programs. I like xemacs for larger development and manual HTML editing.

Choices are good, and we should support that. My hope is that you were being sarcastic, but it sure sounded like you have an incredible distaste for Emacs, and thought anyone who used it must be an absolute idiot.

Use the right tool for the right job, and respect others' opinions as to which tool goes along with which job.

Re:CmdrTaco, please... (3, Funny)

Laplace (143876) | about 13 years ago | (#2359666)

Laugh. It's a funny comment.


Let me say that again.


Laugh, it's a funny comment.


Funny like this web site: vi man [arctic.org]

Re:CmdrTaco, please... (5, Insightful)

RollingThunder (88952) | about 13 years ago | (#2359675)

I do believe it's called "humor", as in VIM vs EMACS is a geek injoke....

Of course, the holy wars start because people have no sense of humor about this stuff. :(

CygnusED (1)

MagerValp (246718) | about 13 years ago | (#2359639)

Everyone should know that CygnusED is the One True Editor. All the power you need, newbie friendly UI without sacrificing power for gurus, scripting ability through Arexx, and keyboard shortcuts that actually make sense. Could someone PLEASE port it to UNIX and Windows? Pretty please?

How To Keep A Healthy Level Of Insanity (1, Offtopic)

UM_Maverick (16890) | about 13 years ago | (#2359640)

ironically, I just got this as a fwd today...seems appropriate given taco's insanity comments:

1. At lunch time, sit in your parked car with sunglasses on and point a hair dryer at passing cars. See if they slow down.
2. Page yourself over the intercom. Don't disguise your voice.
3. Every time someone asks you to do something, ask if they want fries with that.
4. Put your garbage can on your desk and label it "in"
5. Put decaf in the coffee maker for 3 weeks. Once everyone has gotten over their caffeine addictions, switch to expresso.
6. In the memo field of all your checks, write "for sexual favors".
7. Finish all your sentences with "in accordance with the prophecy."
8. Don't use any punctuation marks
9. As often as possible, skip rather than walk.
10. Ask people what sex they are. Laugh hysterically after they answer.
11. Specify that your drive-through order is "to go".
12. Sing along at the opera.
13. Go to a poetry recital and ask why the poems don't rhyme.
14. Put mosquito netting around your work area. Play a tape of jungle sounds all day.
15. Five days in advance, tell your friends you can't attend their party because you're not in the mood.
16. Have your coworkers address you by your wrestling name, Rock Hard Kim.
17. When the money comes out the ATM, scream "I won!", I won!" "3rd time this week!!!!!"
18. When leaving the zoo, start running towards the parking lot, yelling "run for your lives, they're loose!!"
19. Tell your children over dinner "due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go."

vi on emacs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359641)

If I wanna use vi, I can fire up vi mode on emacs. And remember what Linus Torvalds said about linux: it's the GNU-emacs of terminal emulators. What would the vi of terminal emulators be? I don't know, but it would be a lot closer to a terminal emulator. And anything written in LISP is cooler than anything written in C!

You're all wrong. (5, Funny)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | about 13 years ago | (#2359642)

From Ed, man! !man ed" [gnu.org] :

From: patl@athena.mit.edu (Patrick J. LoPresti)
Subject: The True Path (long)
Date: 11 Jul 91 03:17:31 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.religion.emacs,alt.slack

When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi *and* Emacs are just too damn slow. They print useless messages like, 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'. So I use the editor that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.

Ed, man! !man ed

ED(1) UNIX Programmer's Manual ED(1)
NAME
ed - text editor

SYNOPSIS

ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]

DESCRIPTION

Ed is the standard text editor.

---
Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's the standard. Everyone else loves ed because it's ED!

"Ed is the standard text editor."

And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair. Just look:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 1929 /bin/ed
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 1970 /usr/ucb/vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 1990 /usr/bin/emacs

Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed. Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K; and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!

"Ed is the standard text editor."

Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:

golem$ ed

?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
eat flaming death
?
^C
?
^C
?
^D
?

---

Note the consistent user interface and error reportage. Ed is generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm the novice with verbosity.

"Ed is the standard text editor."

Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.

ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a "viitor". Not a "emacsitor". Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

TEXT EDITOR.

When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.

Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

?

Text Editor Jihad (1)

conner_bw (120497) | about 13 years ago | (#2359644)

Well it looks like america is back to normal and starting a holy war doesn't leave a bad taste in the Slashdot populace after all.

As for editors, i'm sorry but Joe wins.

Bah. (5, Funny)

ByteHog (247706) | about 13 years ago | (#2359652)

Text editors are for wimps!! I use a very small magnet to write my files. and CMOS when I'm feeling up to it..

Shocker (4, Funny)

drodver (410899) | about 13 years ago | (#2359660)

I recently installed a linux distro on a new hard drive. Imagine my surprise when I open up a config file in vi and (gasp) it was in color! The horror! I quickly turned off the monitor and haven't touched that computer since. Someday perhaps I will gather the courage to turn the monitor on again, but not anytime soon!

Color text files! [[[shudder]]]

Oh my god! (1)

Adrian Voinea (216087) | about 13 years ago | (#2359665)

I open the browser, type www.slashdot.org in, hit enter and what do I see? VIM 6.0 is out! What the heck ? Is this freshmeat?

Guess what... (1)

ocie (6659) | about 13 years ago | (#2359673)

There is no "best" text editor.

Use what best suits the type of work and user preferences.

Use an editor? (1)

The Panther! (448321) | about 13 years ago | (#2359677)

Real hackers write their own. Why let someone else reinvent the wheel when you can do it for yourself?

Anyone who thinks I'm kidding, I'll (probably) have my editor available open source sometime in the next few months. :-)

Seriously, my biggest gripe with editors these days is not configurability or scriptability or any of the other myriad kitchen sinks that have been bolted together to form whatever package you prefer. It's unnecessary complexity. I know exactly what features I use, exactly what I don't, and I haven't found the editor that works 100% for me. So I'm doing it myself. And if it suits no-one else in the world, that's just fine. It's not really that hard to write an editor, anyway. The hard part is making a nice UI that's portable between Win/Linux/Solaris/AIX. :-(

woo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359681)

Pico all the way!
(no sarcasm intended) :)

editor wars (1)

RadioheadKid (461411) | about 13 years ago | (#2359685)

Yeah, what is Taco trying to do. Linux distros, window managers, browsers, even operating systems are fine to bicker about, but everyone knows not to talk about religion, politics, and which editor is better. But since we are, VI(M) rocks and Emacs isn't an editor, it's a way of life, and I'm just not ready to make that step....

P.S. i.e. should be used when you want to say "that is", e.g. means "for example"...sorry just annoying

Nice and warm in here (1)

lemming552 (101935) | about 13 years ago | (#2359697)

While I'm a diehard Vim user, I expect a similar announcement when the next Emacs version comes out.

The Cuckoo's Egg (0, Flamebait)

Mad Marlin (96929) | about 13 years ago | (#2359704)

Does anybody remember The Cuckoo's Egg, a book from about 10 years ago, based on actual events, where a hacker (don't give me any of that hacker/cracker nonsense) used a security hole in GNU-Emacs to break into military servers holding nuclear weapons information to give to the Russians? Notice that he wasn't using vi.

:%s/emacs/vi/g

HTTP mirrors? (2)

costas (38724) | about 13 years ago | (#2359707)

I wanna test out this puppy, but there are only FTP mirrors listed and the firewall here isn't cooperating. Any HTTP mirrors?

Playing catch up (2)

ksheff (2406) | about 13 years ago | (#2359709)

I don't see what the big deal is. I've been able to do all those things with emacs several years ago (some probably a decade ago). I also hope the network editing isn't just limited to the insecure FTP. I like being able to edit files and run compiles over the network with ssh/scp using emacs with the tramp [sourceforge.net] lisp module.

Edit files via ftp (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2359715)

Nice anti-emacs rant, Taco. You also mentioned you're impressed that vim can now edit files via ftp. Well, let's take a look at the emacs changelog...

GNU Emacs NEWS -- history of user-visible changes. 17-Aug-1988
[snip]
Changes in version 18.52.
[snip]
** Visiting remote files.

On an internet host, you can now visit and save files on any other
internet host directly from Emacs with the commands M-x ftp-find-file
and M-x ftp-write-file. Specify an argument of the form HOST:FILENAME.
Since standard internet FTP is used, the other host may be any kind
of machine and is not required to have any special facilities.


So, emacs has been doing this for 13 years. You whining about how emacs users are crazy is like a Windows user in 1995 insulting Mac users, who had at the time been using the neat new Win95 features since 1984.

US Mirror (4, Informative)

FredtheDead (461999) | about 13 years ago | (#2359718)

Here the main us mirror site as vim.org is in Germany http://ftp.us.vim.org/vim/ [vim.org]
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