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Slashback: Python, Giveaway, Collection

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the better-to-sleep-late-than-die-early dept.

Slashback 194

Slashback tonight with more on poseable Python figures (sorry Guido, the other Python -- your turn will come), Brian K. West (sigh), preserving transient websites for historical purposes, and giving away Free software.Bulk order from CheapBytes, perhaps? GigsVT writes: "From FreeLinuxCD.org: CD reserves getting very low: If you have been thinking about contributing CDs, it is the best time to do so. We are running dangerously low on our reserves. With the best of luck we will only be able to go one more week after which we will have to pause until the next batch of contributions comes in. Please consider giving back to the Linux, Open Source and Free Software communities that has helped you in many ways in the past so that we can keep taking Linux, BSD and other Free Operating Systems to people who will have their lives changed by them."

Let's make this a closed collection, please. gmr2048 writes "In the WashTech section of the Washington Post there is a story about organizations (working with the Library of Congress) trying to catalogue and store web pages from the attacks of Sept 11, 2001. Towards the end of the article is this request for help: "...are developing a cataloguing system to help navigate the terrorist attack archives, and they are seeking the public's help in identifying Web pages that should be included. Their Web site is at www.webarchivist.org.

I thought slashdot'ers could lend a hand. I know I got most of my info the day of the attacks from /."

Hopefully, they will include Robert Liedlein's site. Lieblein writes: "Quick backstory, 4 or 5 years ago I shot footage for an IBM commercial down in the World Trade Center area. It was actually one of my favorite days that I ever spent in New York, just me and a camera. I kept thinking about that day after the tragic event. 5 years in New York city and only once was I right directly in the area that is ground zero, and I happened to have a camera and an objective of the day was to film the people, the energy, the life. A few days ago I finally found an old VHS tape that had about an hour of transfers of the footage. I knew I had that tape somewhere. I wanted to watch just for the reason of being able to go back there, to understand what it was like and what had happened. I realized that I had footage that was refreshing from the devastation we are all viewing and cut it into a 4 1/2 minute video. I hope the memory of the WTC alive and breathing life gives hope to a new day when that energy and vitality can thrive again."

Outliving the presumption of innocence. Keefe writes "I am sure that we all remeber the name Brian K. West. He is 24 year old sales and support employee for an internet service provider in SE Oklahoma. Mr. West alerted a local business to a serious security flaw in their website. The business had him investigated by the Justice Department for helping them fix a website security hole. The online community cried out to help him because of his innocence. It turns out that he actually was intending to modify the newspaper's Web applications -- written in the Perl language -- and modify them and market his own versions."

Patsy! Patsy! Patsy! (It's only a model.) Shere Ermilio wrote to point out that if you're interested in the Monty Python action figures hemos posted about not long ago, this could be your lucky month -- here's the link to Sideshow Toys' Monty Python giveaway for October. Those with spare cash and less hope can buy them the usual way. (And No, I'm not getting any free dolls ;))

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I want (-1, Troll)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361522)

my own action figure

Re:I want (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361556)

You play with your little man quite enough as it is.

Re:I want (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361695)

OK [twinks.com]. Gerbils and astroglide sold seperatly.

First Pr0st (-1, Offtopic)

Yebyen (59663) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361530)

Look at me! First post! I rock so much.

Re:First Pr0st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361719)

i like to get naked and slather my whole body with my own feces. then i like to get licked clean by the pink and wet tongues of twenty dozen naked little boys. then i play with their willies all day!!

-- linux torvalds

Brian West (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361531)

He's not guilty. He's just pining for the fjords!

Re:Brian West (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361793)

I don't get it. Someone please explain.

Re:Brian West (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361836)

look for the monty python "dead parrot" sketch. "that parrot's dead!" "is not, he's just pining for the fjords!" (it was a rare norweigan blue)

i thought i was the only one (1, Informative)

macsox (236590) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361537)

i was storing page screenshots on the 11th -- www.pbump.net/captures.html [slashdot.org] -- just for history's sake. nothing groundbreaking, and based on when i got up on the west coast, but still interesting.

it's a nice complement to the newspapers i also saved.

blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361542)

1st post... or something

Re:blah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361549)

must be something

transient websites (2, Funny)

drDugan (219551) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361550)

Gee I've had several "transient websites" that (at the time) were never meant to be...

I'd rather not have anyone backing them up!

Am I the only one... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361553)

Who thinks that the WTC towers are better off dead? Not the people, the towers. They represented everything that was wrong with capitalism. The excess, the waste, the environmental destruction.

How about this as a monument to the people who died: clear off manhattan of all buildings and people and turn it into a nature reserve, the way it was originally? Hell, give it back to the indians. Put a tribe back on Manhattan.

Re:Am I the only one... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361558)

Dude, the lithium is over there on the table.

Truly, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

MODERATORS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361567)

How is my post Flamebait? You may not agree with it. You may not think it's worth moderating up. But it's hardly "flamebait".

Unfortunately, opinion that are too outside the "mainstream" too often get moderated down.

Re:MODERATORS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361913)

opinions that are too fucking retarded often get modded down.

moron.

Re:Am I the only one... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361615)

Hey, we bought the island fair and square. $24 went a lot farther back then. The indians were happy, we were happy.

Of course, then we killed them.

Re:Am I the only one... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361642)

Nah, the indians would just sell it again to the first white man that came along with 24 dollars' worth of beads, trinkets and liquor.

Re:Am I the only one... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361699)

WOuldn't take that. Just wave a bottle of cheap liquor at them from the other side of the river and they'll give up the island to come to the other side.

Re:Am I the only one... (2, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361886)

who profitted most from the wtc bombings?

Gary Condit, the California congressman and mistress murderer, whose bizarre sexual practices are no longer front page follies?

George Bush, the "unelected" President, who now has approval ratings higher than any of his predecessors could have dreamed possible?

The Defense and Intelligence industry, after years of scandals, fuckups, embarrassments, and dwindling budgets, they've been given a blank check and new powers?

Rudy Guliani, the mayor who made New York livable again, but then was sidelined by term limits, prostate cancer, and a divorce, who is now seen as one of the greatest mayors ever and may be re-elected by unorganized writeins?

Or VA Linux, whose slash.org web log recieved more "hits" in the days following the crash as they had the previous 3 months, and whose imminent Nasdaq delisting was put on hold?

Re:Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361945)

so do you have a point or what?

Re:Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361958)

I think it was a conspiracy among all of the above. CmdrTaco himself flew the planes into the towers. Yes, both of them, dammit!

So who is this "CmdrTaco" who has taken his holy place?

Re:Am I the only one... (1)

coreyb (125522) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361998)

I don't think there was anything that bizzare about Condit's sexual practices. Men dating younger women is pretty common. Granted, he was her boss, but that doesn't make the sex bizzare.

Re:Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361965)

Why don't we bulldoze YOUR house and give it back to the fucking indians ok fag.

Re:Am I the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361999)

Because my land wasn't stolen from the indians. Just think was a statement that would make to the world... the US is finally going to be a good world citizen and take care of the environment. What a great memorial to the people who died in the WTC. The return of land back to nature and the natural citizens.

I truly think that would be the beginning of dismantaling a lot of the disgusing, polluting cities and returning to a simpler way of life.

The indians have much to teach us, much to teach us.

Speaking of WTC (3, Offtopic)

Pope (17780) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361554)

While just about everyone else was watching "Enterprise" on Wednesday, I was out seeing "The French Connection" (came out in 1971) at a local rep cinema. One interesting shot: a WTC tower under construction, with cranes on the roof and everything. Pretty weird in light of recent events...

Re:Speaking of WTC (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361565)

The French Connection just came out in a special edition DVD. I highly recommend it; the features, transfer quality, and story are exceptional.

Re:Speaking of WTC (2, Interesting)

J4 (449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361831)

See also "The Hot Rock".
Not quite as good a movie, but there are some good shots of the towers under construction when the thieves are
trying to fly the chopper they stole.
I saw that shit go up, never thought I'd see it come down.

Re:Speaking of WTC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361903)

Do you remember what part of the movie this shot was in?

Free CD's you say? (2, Interesting)

Aerog (324274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361570)

Donated CD's, you say? Well judging by the speed that my current 100-pack is diminishing, the idea of giving them away is going to send me into the red before you know it.

But that brings up a good question: How much does one donate to something like that, and what cost is that looking at? I got a deal with 100 CD's and cases for $0.50CDN apiece, but that was a deal. How much do you usually send? and where can I get some of those free CD's in the neverending quest to archive the internet (another noble pursuit)

donate used (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361800)

I don't think they are asking for you to go out and mass-produce Linux CDs. Usually, the idea is to pass on CDs that you have used and no longer need, so that they can be spread to others. Sort of the same idea as donating to a charity. Most charities will take used clothes. They don't expect you to go out and buy a new wardrobe and put it in one of those collection bins. (I realize some charities only take new clothes, but just work with me here.)

I, for instance, have tons of Linux CDs sitting around collecting dust, which I am going to package up and send out.

Re:donate used (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361898)

collecting dust is the only thing a linux CD is useful for.

Re:donate used (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361977)

Lots of vulnerabilities in old stuff.

There is no such thing as racism against blacks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361575)

Racism is when one race degrades another due to the color of their skin. However this does not apply to niggers. Niggers are not human, they are proto-humans more closely related to monkeys. There are many features that make them qualify as monkeys. The sloped forehead, slouching posture, less complicated language centers in the brain (which causes them to speak in ebonics instead of Standard English) and of course their high tendency towards violence. People say that all races are equal. However do a quick comparison between Africa and western (predominately white) countries. While the western countries forge ahead technologically, African nations are still fighting over bananas and watermelons. So it is easy to see.. that niggers are not humans. They belong in zoos with the other monkey species we display there.

Re:There is no such thing as racism against blacks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361582)

Yeah, but they can cook great fried chicken. Mmmmmmm greasy fried chicken mmmmmm

Re:There is no such thing as racism against blacks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361611)

yes they are the ultimate monkey-servant

Re:There is no such thing as racism against blacks (-1, Offtopic)

HBD (450014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361666)

omg...you ppl r sick

-i am not racist..i just hate the whinny minorities

Re:There is no such thing as racism against blacks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361690)

Hey, shut up. You might get them cranky and you know hard it is to make them quiet. Unless you know how to discipline them of course. But these days disciplining your negroes has fallen out of fashion.

Re:There is no such thing as racism against blacks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361936)

well, the liberal spin machine is working overtime again, this time blaming the recent terrorist bombings on our "gun culture". I'm not sure which is more amazing - that someone would make that claim, or the number of soccer moms that belive it.

Let's examine the facts.

The usual argument is, other countries outlaw guns and don't have the violence or terrorist bombings that the US does. An interesting argument that gets repeated a lot, but has no bearing on reality.

Where are these "other countries"? China, where "dissidents" (anyone who doesn't bend over and like it) are run over with tanks, or improsoned and executed only to have their body parts sold on the black market?

Europe, home of 2 world wars in the last century? Germany, where jews were stripped of their guns, and then herded into gas chambers? England, where car bombs are a daily fact of life, and children are stoned while trying to go to school since two versions of Christianity can't coexist?

Or Maybe Switzerland, that stayed neutral twice while death swirled all around is the gun-banners model country. The only problem is, in gun-rights issues, Switzerland is more similar to the United States than any other country. For example, while we have a 2nd Amendment guaranteeing the right to possess firearms and form militias, all male Swedes between the ages of 18 and 50 are required to serve 2 weeks of army duty per year, and all households are required to have at leat one fully automatic rifle.

government waste (4, Troll)

mj6798 (514047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361585)

I'm sorry, but I don't see why taxpayer money should be wasted on investigating or prosecuting cases like West. This kind of activity should not be a felony or misdemeanor. If the paper wants to collect its own information and file a civil lawsuit for damages, that's fine.

Unlike "real world" theft, it is pretty easy for a company to protect itself against these kinds of problems, and it is pretty easy for it to collect and present its own evidence. And even in the real world, if you left your front door unlocked and put your cheap, fake diamond necklace out there for everybody to see (roughly the equivalent of having a Perl script on an IIS server), I think a prosecutor would see the sillyness of wasting lots of resources on your case.

As for guilty pleas in such cases, I think they are pretty meaningless. Faced with the threat of lengthy prison sentences, I suspect many people will plea guilty to minor offenses, whether they committed them or not. Do you really think West "intended" to modify someone else's messy Perl script and make a business out of it? Seems pretty unlikely to me.

do you believe in the tooth fairy too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361667)

jesus christ, stop apologizing for this guy. he did it alright. do you also believe O.J. didn't do it either??

and really it's not a meaningless case. What if this had happened to you? you wouldn't be such a stupid asshole about it. this isn't a victimless crime here.

you slashbots really are idiots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361689)

first, you go and defend the guy based only on his word alone, and are so quick to blame it on the government. now the tables are turned, you people look stupid, and say hey, this isn't really a crime, and maybe he just pled guilty to avoid a longer sentence.

You people need to get a clue.

you are so confused (2)

mj6798 (514047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361738)

You may not realize it, but Slashdot isn't just you and some other anonymous entity.

In fact, I never defended the guy or made assumptions about his guilt or innocence. I just think it's a waste of taxpayer money to prosecute these kinds of cases.

Re:you are so confused (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361761)

what kinds of cases aren't a waste of taxpayer money then?? only theft that involves real physical objects?

what if a guy steals your credit card number and uses it to run up charges? should that case not be prosecuted since the number isn't real, and the money isn't real??

please, when you get out of junior high school, maybe you'll see that theft is theft.

you forgot one of the prongs (2)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361822)

Criminal justice and prosecution is not just to punish for one criminal act. By prosecuting this act, it will deter others from doing the same.


This is given what he actually did was a crime and his intent was to release the scripts as opposed to just warning them about a hole in security.

Re:you are so confused (3, Interesting)

dgroskind (198819) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361858)

First you say: Do you really think West "intended" to modify someone else's messy Perl script and make a business out of it? Seems pretty unlikely to me.

Then you say: I never defended the guy or made assumptions about his guilt or innocence.

Can you see why readers might be confused here? In the first statement you appear to be defending him and suggesting he didn't intend to commit a crime. In the second statement you are denying defending him.

If he's innocent, as you imply in the first statement, then the issue isn't whether it is a waste of money to prosecute him. The issue is that a miscarriage of justice occurred.

If he's guilty, which implies intent, then that intent becomes as big an issue as the value of what he stole. For instance, attempted murder receives a heavy sentence even though the victim may have suffered no actual harm.

In addition, this prosecution may have a deterent effect upon his future behavior, thus saving the cost of a more expensive prosecution in the future.

I'd say the taxpayers got good value for their money. Now if you were to argue that jail time in this case would be a waste of money, you might have a point.

Re:you are so confused (2)

mj6798 (514047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361971)

Can you see why readers might be confused here? In the first statement you appear to be defending him and suggesting he didn't intend to commit a crime. In the second statement you are denying defending him.

You are splitting hairs. He may or may not have accessed the computer illegally, but that he did so in hope of selling some Perl script just seems unlikely to me.

He IS GUILTY you dumb fuck (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361726)

from wired [wired.com]

, says that before phoning the paper's editor, West downloaded proprietary program and password files and used those to force his way into private areas of the Poteau Daily News and Sun's site.

West admitted he intended to modify the newspaper's Web applications -- written in the Perl language -- and modify them and market his own versions.

read that, he ADMITTED IT JACKAASS!!
how is this tripe getting moderated up??

Re:government waste (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361734)

> And even in the real world, if you left your
> front door unlocked and put your cheap, fake
> diamond necklace out there for everybody to see
> (roughly the equivalent of having a Perl script
> on an IIS server), I think a prosecutor would
> see the sillyness of wasting lots of resources
> on your case.

s/prosecutor/defense attorney/

IANAL, and neither are you, but if you steal that necklace it's pretty obvious you're guilty of a crime.

-Poot

Re:government waste (3, Insightful)

dillon_rinker (17944) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361790)

True. HOWEVER...in the REAL WORLD, if you steal a dime-store necklace, you're charged with petty theft. If you steal a diamond necklace, you're charged with grand theft. The difference is a misdemeanor and a felony conviction.

In this case, Mr. West got away with a misdemeanor charge, but what if the prosecutor had decided the damages were $50,000? $100,000? What's the value of a PERL script? What's the value of a closed security hole? Dunno...but I can see how easy it would be to twist a small breakin into looking like a large one. This is scary stuff.

ok, so I'm an idiot -- from moderator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361991)

after pulling down the menu to moderate this up,
I hit the scroll bar on my mouse without noticing... and it obviously landed on "Troll" !!

Damage done, I am not allowed to re-mod this now =(

damn MS and their freaking evil mouse scrollers!! ;)

Re:government waste (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361993)

That's why breaking into computer systems [and houses] is illegal. The assumption is you're there to steal something. If you don't intend to steal something, don't break in.

Re:government waste (3, Insightful)

hetfield (129762) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361777)

Isn't that kind of like saying "stealing a Playstation 2 from Toys R Us shouldn't be a misdemeanor. Toys R Us should just sue every shoplifter."

It is just as easy to protect against "real world" theft as it is "virtual" theft. Security cameras, secret shoppers, employee training, and theft tags: the "real world" equivalent of firewalls, IDS, honeypots...

Shoplifting these days is a lot harder than it used to be. Just like with computer security, though, any system can be cracked, real or vitual. Theft is theft, and companies have relied on the law to help when their own systems fail. The same should apply in cases like this.

West didn't "intend" as in pre-meditated, but when the opportunity magically presented itself, he went for it. If you see that the owner of a store accidentally forgot to lock the deadbolt on the front door, does that mean it's ok to go inside a take a few things, hide them, and then call the police? Sure, the owner was a dolt, but that doesn't excuse stealing.

Then again, maybe all that Catholic school education has gotten to me :)

The Danger of E-Records...? (3, Interesting)

mutantcamel (213431) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361588)

I remember a story on /. a while back that expressed concern that there would be no electronic records from the 20th/21st century because of our reliance on computer technology (and the fact that things can be deleted/degrade over time) is a catalogue of webapages (I know they're not supposed to be a definitive record of eventss, but...) a little redundant?

Re:The Danger of E-Records...? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361698)

Insightful? It's not even parsable.

Re:The Danger of E-Records...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361735)

Who cares? Everything worthwhile is archived by individuals. It only takes one to keep an archive readable, and the information is saved.


Put another way: if no-one bothered archiving it, who cares if it gets deleted?

Re:The Danger of E-Records...? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361748)

Plus they will be copy-protected and in the wrong region

Proof? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361628)

Hmm, if West really *is* guilty, why isn't this story running on any other news sites? Just food for thought.

- Coward, Anonymous

Three words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361637)

Nobody else cares.

nothing's free? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361636)

except, all the gnu stuff you can dload, &, this descriptive set of URLs [opensourceworks.com] (gift boxed, with a year's free hosting), if you can follow the directions.

Re:nothing's free? (0)

HBD (450014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361767)

i once got a free bag of jelly belly jelly beans off of a website..lol..they can't be tricked into sending you multiple bags containing 19 jelly-beans!!..that is just wrong..a real tease..so i guess they wern't free..lol

WTC video (4, Interesting)

christurkel (520220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361641)

I found this video very moving and powerful. Kudos to the filmmaker! The towers bustled with so much life now its all gone, for what? for nothing. Someday, life will return to that area and when it does we will be all better for it!

Re:WTC video (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361745)

Quite like the rainforests then. Oh, wait, we destroyed them, so it's OK.

Re:WTC video (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361987)

loser.

Give the Gift of Life - Linux (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361674)

If you have been thinking about contributing CDs, it is the best time to do so. We are running dangerously low on our reserves. With the best of luck we will only be able to go one more week after which we will have to pause until the next batch of contributions comes in.

Anyone else struck buy the similarity of this plea and request for donations by the Red Cross?

Due to the recent terrorist atacks by Nimda and Code Red, hospitals and server farms are running dangerously low on Linux. If you are type Root negative, you are considered a universal superuser, and your donation is needed most. Please sign up with your local donation center and give a pint of Linux. The box you save may be your own.

P.S. I am NOT mocking blood donation. If you haven't yet, give blood.

Re:Give the Gift of Life - Linux (4, Informative)

carleton (97218) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361784)

Keep in mind, a lot of areas have enough blood for the time being, but the length of time blood is viable is less than the length of time between when people can give blood. Because of this, some areas are encouraging people to wait a little while so that there isn't a shortage down the road when everyone who can give blood has already done so and therefore can't until their body replaces the blood they gave.

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361803)

no text you stupid filter

Re:Give the Gift of Life - Linux (1)

glitch! (57276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361915)

Sorry, I just have to post to correct my moderation error - it was supposed to be +1 funny, but somehow came out -1 offtopic. -Sorry

they don't need blood anymore (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2362000)

Uh most of the people are dead, so blood donations are a moot point. Although it is nice because their stocks were running low.

i couldn't help it (5, Funny)

asolipsist (106599) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361682)

I was searching for sites (don't ask) and this article came up.

www.ishipress.com/osamaint.htm [ishipress.com]

coincidence? stenography? idiocy? you decide

Transcript of Osama Bin Ladin interview by Peter Arnett The first-ever television interview with Osama Bin Ladin was conducted by Peter Arnett in eastern Afghanistan in late March 1997. Questions were submitted in advance. Bin Ladin responded to almost all of the questions. CNN was not allowed to ask follow up questions. The interview lasted just over an hour. ARNETT: Mr. Bin Ladin, could you give us your main criticism of the Saudi royal Family that is ruling Saudi Arabia today?

Osama bin Ladin

MR. BIN LADIN: Regarding the criticisms of the ruling regime in Saudi Arabia and the Arabian peninsula, the first one is their subordination to the US. So, our main problem is the US government while the Saudi regime is but a branch or an agent of the US. By being loyal to the US regime, the Saudi regime has committed an act against Islam. And this, based on the ruling of Shari'a (Islamic jurisprudence), casts the regime outside the religious community. Subsequently, the regime has stopped ruling people according to what God revealed, praise and glory be to Him, not to mention many other contradictory acts. When this main foundation was violated, other corrupt acts followed in every aspect of the country, the economic, the social, government services and so on.

REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, if the Islamic movement takes over Arabia, what kind of society will be created and will Saudi Arabia, for example, return to the laws of the Qur'an at the time of the Prophet?

BIN LADIN: We are confident, with the permission of God, Praise and Glory be to Him, that Muslims will be victorious in the Arabian peninsula and that God's religion, praise and glory be to Him, will prevail in this peninsula. It is a great pride and a big hope that the revelation unto Muhammad, Peace be upon him, will be resorted to for ruling. When we used to follow Muhammad's revelation, Peace be upon him, we were in great happiness and in great dignity, to God belong credit and praise.

REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, if the Islamic movement takes over Saudi Arabia, what would your attitude to the West be and will the price of oil be higher?

BIN LADIN: We are a nation and have a long history, with the grace of God, Praise and Glory be to Him. We are now in the 15th century of this great religion, the complete and comprehensive methodology, has clarified the dealing between an individual and another, the duties of the believer towards God, Praise and Glory be to Him, and the relationship between the Muslim country and other countries in time of peace and in time of war. If we look back at our history, we will find there were many types of dealings between the Muslim nation and the other nations in time of peace and in time of war, including treaties and matters to do with commerce. So it is not a new thing that we need to come up with. Rather, it already, by the grace of God, exists. As for oil, it is a commodity that will be subject to the price of the market according to supply and demand. We believe that the current prices are not realistic due to the Saudi regime playing the role of a US agent and the pressures exercised by the US on the Saudi regime to increase production and flooding the market that caused a sharp decrease in oil prices.

Gadzooks! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361710)

I do believe you've cracked his steganography!

Take off all zigs at once!

Re:i couldn't help it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361725)

I bet you don't even know what the words 'Saudi Aramco' means, you racist American pig.

Re:i couldn't help it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361750)

I certainly don't.

Fool! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361980)

It's All your base are belong to us! not All your base are belong to U.S.! which btw is how Shrub seems to interpret it...

whee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361696)

i smell like an old goat's anus!

Re:whee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361707)

Is that an old goat's anus I smell? Yes, it is. I do believe it is you, sir.

Re:whee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361711)

How do you know what an old goat's anus smells like? Is it very different from a young goat's anus? They can smell very good if you feed the goat the right food. (Violets are my favorite.)

Re:whee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361732)

i feed my goat my jizzum
he likes to nibble on my cockmonster
then i squirt
down his throat
yummy
and then i lick him
at
the
other end

Donate Via http://www.freelinuxcd.org/donate.php (4, Informative)

mrpull (112590) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361717)

I thought to myself, "If they had a paypal account, I could send 'em ten bucks. That would be easier than running to the local computer store and buying cd's and sending them in the mail. Also, they could prolly make that ten bucks stretch further by making bulk purchases."

SO, I did some research and found
http://www.freelinuxcd.org/donate.php

I'll send my ten bucks and you can too.

Thanks,
mr.

EWAF (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361729)

Billy Idol - Eyes Without A Face
words and music by: Billy Idol/Steve Stevens, 1983

I'm all out of hope
One more bad dream could bring a fall
When I'm far from home
Don't call me on the phone
To tell me you're alone
It's easy to deceive
It's easy to tease
But hard to get release

Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Got no human grace your eyes without a face.

I spend so much time
Believing all the lies
To keep the dream alive
Now it makes me sad
It makes me mad at truth
For loving what was you

Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Got no human grace your eyes without a face.

When you hear the music you make a dip
Into someone else's pocket then make a slip.
Steal a car and go to Las Vegas oh, the gigolo pool.
I'm on a bus on a psychedelic trip
Reading murder books tryin' to stay hip.
I'm thinkin' of you you're out there so
Say your prayers.
Say your prayers.
Say your prayers.

Now I close my eyes
And I wonder why
I don't despise
Now all I can do
Is love what was once
So alive and new
But it's gone from your eyes
I'd better realise

Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Les yeux sans visage eyes without a face
Got no human grace your eyes without a face.
Such a human waste your eyes without a face
And now it's getting worse.

Party time!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361739)

A case of beer

Some acid

Three gerbils

Duct tape

Two young goats

A twelve-year old virgin

Nipple clamps

Four enema bags

Styrofoam penuts

A lot of lube

And a cardboard cutout of George W. Bush

Oooh boy am I gonna have fun tonight!!

Maybe its time is past... (4, Interesting)

xonker (29382) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361742)

The CD-giveaway thing was a great thing once, because Linux was still relatively experimental and there was a need to find inventive ways to distribute Linux to anyone who might try it.

At this point, I think Linux has been around long enough, maybe it's time that people with slowband connections actually shell out for at least a CheapBytes CD or actually keep the companies that make distributions alive by buying a $40 box once a year. Is that really so much to ask?

Several companies still sell the cheap CDs, and I can't imagine too many people who can afford a computer that can't afford six bucks for the CD-ROM plus shipping. (Or whatever the total cost is...) Granted, there may be some "under-developed" countries who could use them, but the average teen or LUG member can afford to actually shell out a few bucks to help support the commercial efforts that support the software development.

It's one thing to buck insane licensing fees and want access to source code, it's another just to be a cheap-ass who is out to get everything for free. (This isn't a dig on the Free CD effort itself, they're trying to do the Right Thing. But I'd bet a lot of people sucking up the CDs could afford to buy one but instead take advantage of the generosity of others.)

oh shit!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361758)

uh oh... its bleeding really badly.... i think i just broke my penis!!! it came off in my hand!! was I wanking too hard? someone help call 911 i'm going to pass out here with my penis in my hand............

oh god oh god...

Remember the WTC? (2, Interesting)

maniac11 (88495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361764)

This is my first post about the events of the past weeks. Not because I didn't have anything to say; rather there was (and is) just so much being said that I didn't feel a need to contribute to the noise.


That said, this bit of video brings up an interesting question that has crossed my mind: What will be the fate of the Center itself? While the focus has been on the destruction of the two main towers, the site itself is very large [npr.org].


I have heard various suggestions: the owner/developer of the property is considering putting up four new 50-story buildings; some are calling for the twin towers to be rebuilt exactly as they were. NYC officials have been quoted as saying that this is an opportunity for New York to rethink not only its skyline but its vision of itself.


I hope that whatever happens, it is something more interesting that another corporate filing cabinet. Of course there will be an extensive memorial (as well there should be), but doesn't the site deserve something at least as interesting as the twin towers were in the 60s? How about an arcology [arcosanti.org]? Ideas?

Re:Remember the WTC? (1)

J4 (449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361856)

FYI the buildings were owned by The Port Authority.
What I'd like to see is the bronze plaque memorializing the first attack (it was in the parking garage where the bomb went off) incorporated into a memorial.

Dear Ann Landers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361774)

Dear Ann Landers, please help, i have a problem with my son Rob. Rob is homosexual. Although I try not to be judgemental, even though homosexuality is an abomination, I can't help but vomit at thoughts of his face covered in spooge or moaning in pleasure as some random man's cock is plunged into his unlibricated asshole.

Recently, I invited him and his boyfriend Jeff over for a formal dinner. Halfway through, he loudly passed gas, and Jeff yelled out, "so that's where our hamster is!". I fainted from the shock. I don't wish disown my own son, but his lifestyle is disgusting.

Malda's Mom.

Dear Malda's Mom: Please seek counseling at once. Disgusting sex practices are a normal part of being a turd burglar. The two of you need to bond more. Consider taking him shopping with you next time you need to buy a new dildo, and then pick up a well-hung negro for a 3-way orgy.

Re:Dear Ann Landers (1)

negacao (522115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361854)

What in the hell is going on with slashdot? Where are all these maniacs/morons coming from? Dear lord, maybe it's time to implement something similar to a log-in required for posting.

Re:Dear Ann Landers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361867)

typical crap, nada mas, read at +1 and ignore it all

WTC Life (2, Interesting)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361861)

that's really sweet. brings back some good memories of my days in lower Manhattan (walking thru the WTC plaza to work near City Hall). Everyone should download, watch, and save this. Also Robert: send it to one of the news stations, I bet they'll play it at the end of a news broadcast.

The Internet Archive is no archive (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361883)

The Internet Archive is not an archive.

An archive must collect and preserve information.

The Internet Archive has failed to preserve most of what it has collected. Preservation does not get them attention and so they don't do it.

The early years of the archive are on the cheapest DLT's made and are stored on the floor of a basement that floods. And we're talking several years stored this way.

Cheap tapes plus moisture means bit rot. Enormous amounts of the archive are gone because of this.

So anyone with the means of doing an archive shouldn't say "oh, I don't need to do this because the archive is already taking care of it."

Don't believe it. They've lost much of what they claim to have preserved.

When will people learn? (2)

update() (217397) | more than 12 years ago | (#2361970)

I don't know why it's so difficult for people to grasp this:

Do not intrude into or modify systems unless it's been made explicitly clear that you're allowed to do so.

You think you should be allowed to do something? You have some silly-ass analogy regarding doorknobs and windows to explain why you're doing a public service? It doesn't matter. You're going to get yourself in trouble. Is that really so hard to comprehend?

Stephen King, author, dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2361978)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
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