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Russia Cracks Down On Public Wi-Fi; Oracle Blocks Java Downloads In Russia

timothy posted about a month and a half ago | from the interesting-times dept.

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Linking to a story at Reuters, reader WilliamGeorge writes "Russia is further constraining access to the internet and freedom of speech, with new laws regarding public use of WiFi. Nikolai Nikiforov, the Russian Communications Minister, tweeted that "Identification of users (via bank cards, cell phone numbers, etc.) with access to public Wifi is a worldwide practice." This comes on top of their actions recently to block websites of political opponents to Russian president Vladimir Putin, require registration of prominent bloggers, and more. The law was put into effect with little notice and without the input of Russian internet providers. Sergei Plugotarenko, head of the Russian Electronic Communications Association, said "It was unexpected, signed in such a short time and without consulting us." He added, "We will hope that this restrictive tendency stops at some point because soon won't there be anything left to ban." In addition to the ID requirement to use WiFi, the new law also requires companies to declare who is using their web networks and calls for Russian websites to store their data on servers located in Russia starting in 2016." That's not the only crackdown in progress, though: former Slashdot code-wrestler Vlad Kulchitski notes that Russian users are being blocked from downloading Java with an error message that reads, in essence, "You are in a country on which there is embargo; you cannot download JAVA." Readers at Hacker News note the same, though comments there indicate that the block may rely on a " specific and narrow IP-block," rather than being widespread. If you're reading this from Russia, what do you find?

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The problem with American Embargos (2, Insightful)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632553)

Is that we never end them. We implement them, then due to our collective national ego that manifests most clearly in congress, never roll them back for partial success. We take a hardline of "our way or the highway" and the highway ends up looking more appealing to your Cubas, your Irans, and now your Russias.

"The stick" only works when the donkey can see a future where it won't be beaten.

P.S. That's not to say anything other than screw Putin and his imperial ambitions.

The problem with American Embargos (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632639)

I just hope they don't block regular people from going to Russia again before my visa expires. It pisses me off to no end that I'll probably never be able to see Havana. Freedom isn't actually free, I guess...

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633029)

I assume you are American, and I know a couple US citizens that have been to Havana (legally). They both said it's like going back into a time warp back to the 50's

Anyhow, the biggest current problem (among many) of going legally is that the only US based bank that was licensed to do business with Cuba (M&T bank of Buffalo NY), has decided to stop performing that service and no other bank appears willing to take on this role (apparently most cite regulatory and paperwork issues). Because of the problem of processing visa payments from US visitors, Cuba has decided to stop issuing visas in the US (but still issues visas to Cubans wishing to visit the US).

Because not everyone has family there, or is part of a legit cultural exchange program, I also know 1 person that has visited Cuba not-so-legally as an ordinary tourist. The easiest way to do this is to just fly to Cancun and book a trip to Cuba from there. The main logistical difficulty is securing enough convertible currency for the trip (they don't take US issued credit cards because of the embargo). The generally preferred way to do this is to carry some Canadian currency and get a Caribbean issued pre-paid Visa debit card. US greenbacks and traveler's cheques are also technically bank exchangeable (but at an additional 10% rate penalty because of the difficulty of converting them). Remember Cuba is still a socialist country (more or less), so there aren't many 'independent' options for currency exchange or dealing with business owners directly in USD (except for a few small paladares or private-owned restaurants).

Re:The problem with American Embargos (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632657)

"The stick" only works when the donkey can see a future where it won't be beaten.

Who cares about Russia. Those stinking child-murderers will all go to hell. They voted for Putin, who killed infants in MH17.

Fuck Russia.
Fuck Russians.
Fuck Putin.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632675)

Turn your computer off Obama.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (3, Insightful)

Jaysyn (203771) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632713)

I fucking wish Obama had the nads to say something even close to that publicly.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (2, Funny)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632877)

a friend of mine commented "just once I wish Obama would show up at a press conference in overalls with 2 pitbulls on chains and rant like the angry black man the right accuses him of being"

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

mjwalshe (1680392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633151)

MM id refer his take on Morpheus from the Matrix Micelle can do Trinity I am she would look good in PVC - and the Secret Service can dump the boring suits and go Cyberpunk :-)

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633085)

The president needs to turn off the speech recognition on his blackberry.... Especially when he's meeting with the Joint Chiefs....

Darn open mics anyway....

Re:The problem with American Embargos (2)

Cardoor (3488091) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632719)

remember the gulf of tonkin! grrr!

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632739)

"The stick" only works when the donkey can see a future where it won't be beaten.

Who cares about Russia. Those stinking child-murderers will all go to hell. They voted for Putin, who killed infants in MH17.

Fuck Russia.

Fuck Russians.

Fuck Putin.

Yes, we eat children for breakfast, then drink their blood.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633111)

Yes, we eat children for breakfast, then drink their blood.

No thanks, I'm a vegan.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632837)

Oh yeah, well, uh, Gaza...

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633093)

really dude, during the past decade you had George Bush as president..Don't talk about rope in a hanged man's house

Re:The problem with American Embargos (4, Informative)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632671)

Not exactly true, we do roll them back every so often.... We pretty much ended hostilities with Japan and Germany, both of which where under US trade sanctions previously... Then there is South Africa, we sanctions them previously but restored relations when they came around. Same with Iran and Turkey, we dropped sanctions on them in the past, even if we've cycled back to having them of late.

Turkey? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632747)

Are you sure the US has sanctions on Turkey?

Re:Turkey? (2)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632869)

Speaking having only emerged from ignorance about it myself on internet search ago [sanctionswiki.org] , there were some sanctions on Turkish groups, which is a bit like an embargo on Turkey itself.

Re:Turkey? (2)

compro01 (777531) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632955)

Are you sure the US has sanctions on Turkey?

Had, yes. The USA had an arms embargo and miscellaneous other sanctions against Turkey from 1974 to 1980-ish, as a result of the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632705)

who's this 'we' of which you speak? i don't remember being asked if i wanted to embargo anyone ever.
p.s. chastising putin for imperial ambitions is probably the funniest (saddest, and ironic) thing ive heard all day.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632919)

Exactly! We should govern by polling EVERYONE in the country. Maybe every day someone should post all the foreign relations issues and potential solutions, and we can all Facebook like the ones we like and the ones we don't. Hmmm. That might be hard to manage with a population of several hundred million. Perhaps we could break up the population into smaller groups and have some sort of arrangement where there are representatives chosen from the groups of people who give input into how they're governed. But what would one call such a system of representatives governing? Hmmm.

On your other topic, what point are you making regarding Putin? Are you arguing he doesn't have imperial ambitions? Would it be imperial ambitions if he rolled into a few more countries, or will you just see that as gettin' the old band back together?

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

SydShamino (547793) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632939)

You were presented with a candidate slate containing Candidate A and Candidate B. You chose to vote for Candidate A, or Candidate B, or not to vote.

In any of the three cases, you were electing a representative that voted on the embargo for you.

Not that I think one is wrong against Russia right now..

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633003)

your statement assumes two things incorrectly:
1) that an abstention from playing a game that is rigged somehow still leaves the party culpable to the actions of said game.
but more importantly,

2) that voting for A, B, C, or D would have in any way shape of form influenced the outcome, as all of the above cowtow to the same deep state policies regardless.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633043)

Russia is far more imperialist than the USA at the moment. That you find it ironic to see the US chiding Russia for imperialist ambitions rather than the reverse just shows how ignorant you are about Russia's foreign policy.

Let's put it this way: When was the last time the USA invaded and annexed part of a neighboring country? The 1800's? Russia did it this year.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (5, Insightful)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632751)

You read that whole thing about what Russia is doing to control the Internet and you convert that into an anti-US rant?

I'm surprised you didn't point out the positive side of the whole affair, which is that Russia has a legislative system which isn't in the pockets of the evil capitalist corporations since these laws were implemented without any input from the ISPs.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632833)

Uh, I'm pretty sure the article also addresses something the US is doing, and I directly condemned Putin. Stop writing false motivations onto me.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632923)

Uh, I'm pretty sure the article also addresses something the US is doing,

As large a corporation as it is, Oracle is not the US government.

and I directly condemned Putin.

A postscript is not directly anything. It is an afterthought.

Stop writing false motivations onto me.

I said nothing about your motivations, only your actions.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633133)

As large a corporation as it is, Oracle is not the US government.

Ok, from the damned summary.

"You are in a country on which there is embargo; you cannot download JAVA

I don't think you know what embargo means.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632993)

> Stop writing false motivations onto me.

It is all he's got. Read his posting history. He's one of those ultra-jingoists who has accomplished nothing in his own life so he's glommed onto the successes of other people living in the same country he lives in as a way to shore up his ego. Therefore anything even remotely critical of the country he lives in is taken as a personal affront. If he actually had something of his own to be confident in he'd realize that criticism improves the strong. But he's so mentally fragile that he thinks his own weakness is also the weakness of the country of his residence, so he loses his shit in response.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632973)

But it is the Republican asshole that rules Oracle that decided to try to start shit. He decided to take Java away from the Russian people. He is a fucktard of the highest order for pulling that stunt. He is trying to get a violent response so his Republcian buddies can start another war. That is the way of their kind.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633165)

Wow, way to do the political trolling there leftie, Communist pinko... Glad to see you taking a stand for the home land. Now GO HOME.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633279)

If he is taking away Java, he is good in my book. Now, take it away from everyone else. Fuck anything and everything Java.

Hackers (1)

DarthVain (724186) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633023)

Or the fact that it seems most hackers come from Russia. Having to prove identity before accessing the network, would certainly throw a wrench into the Russian hacking game. Sure the hackers will try to find a way around it (and likely will), but it will make it harder.

The fact the one of the largest breaches apparently happened just this week involving apparently Russian hackers again, makes me wonder how biased this article is. It was the first thing I thought of, was government trying to fight illegal hacking activity domestically that has been plaguing the world internationally, and is something they might do to actually improve international relations as it can be seen that they are taking pretty large measures to crack down on the Russian hacking activity. I mean the first thing about stopping hacking is to remove the anonymity or at least reduce or make it more difficult to maintain as it is the hackers best defense.

Hackers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633063)

That point of view is only valid is Russia actually does anything about hackers. We'll see. No doubt they will be very concerned about hackers attacking Russian targets, but foreign targets? We'll see.

Re:Hackers (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633227)

Hate to break it to you, this isn't about hackers, it's about spying, political, commercial and military. Putin is clearly trying to reign in control of the internet and what his people can see. Read the back story and what Putin actually SAYS he's doing this for... "the laws are needed to fight "extremism" and "terrorism." which follows his claim that the internet is a CIA tool to distribute propaganda.

This is Putin preparing for conflict with the west, if not an all out war.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633091)

that's actually a good point.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1, Informative)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633141)

Russia has a legislative system which isn't in the pockets of the evil capitalist corporations since these laws were implemented without any input from the ISPs.

Yea, they pretty much pass any law Putin tells them to instead of listening to the lobbyists hired by industry. Like that's SO much better.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632867)

As a Greek (we also -reluctantly- embargo Russia because Greece is part of EU and NATO, and Russia -reluctantly- embargo Greece) i think i understand this specific situation a little better since i am "a third independent party": USA and EU cannot do anything about Ukraine (because Russia... is Russia... not Cuba or Iran...), so with those embargos they act like they do something (they cannot "lose face" to the rest of the world and their citizens) - and this embargo will end very soon (again, because Russia is not Cuba or Iran...).

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632901)

Russian users... can't download fucking Java from the website? That's simply retarded, and so are any laws that force that to happen.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632935)

What an articulate and meaningful assertion about complex geopolitics, the role of corporations in supporting the political interests in the states they're invested in, law enforcement, and how the Internet influences peoples' ability to circumvent law.

No wait. It's just asinine.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633119)

What an articulate and meaningful assertion about complex geopolitics

You don't need a long-ass comment to say that the TSA or the NSA's surveillance is evil.

And if you seriously think that stopping certain people from downloading Java from a website because of their country is a good idea, you're mentally retarded. Fuck these political squabbles; censorship is evil.

No wait. It's just asinine.

Censorship is asinine, and morally bankrupt. Everyone should want a free and open Internet.

Fortunately, this is easy to get around (making it pointless), but it's the principle of the matter that truly counts.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (1)

i kan reed (749298) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633145)

And the principle is what, exactly? Refusing enforcement of an embargo? Why?

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633215)

And the principle is what, exactly?

A free and open Internet. It's absolute nonsense that nonsensical political squabbles can force companies to reject people's access to information merely because of where they reside, on a communications medium that's supposed to be open.

More importantly, why are you defending this ridiculous garbage?

Re:The problem with American Embargos (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633061)

You are speaking like the people of those countries decide to take the highway. If they were given an actual choice, they'd not be choosing the highway. It's a very small number of people running those counties who make that and ALL other decisions for their people. In the current state, the people in those countries are nothing but cattle for the few farmers in those counties. Do their bidding or die.

The problem with Americans (-1, Flamebait)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633073)

Is self-serving righteous hypocrites like you. You and your buddies Obama and Bush and the whole criminal lot.

Re:The problem with American Embargos (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633113)

The real solution is for someone to put a bullet into Putin's chinless head. Fuck the Russkies.

What. The. Fuck. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632563)

Another job creator falls victim to Great Leader Obama's socialist paradise. [wkyc.com]

Guess the poor guy didn't know about having to send his bribes in to stay in the Great Leader's good graces.

Re:What. The. Fuck. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632623)

I prefer the capitalist solution; require consent from everyone else who profits off the river. If they don't consent, bribe them until they do.

Re:What. The. Fuck. (3, Informative)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632789)

Guess the poor guy didn't know about having to send his bribes in to stay in the Great Leader's good graces.

That would be how it works in Russia, but in the United States, polluters can't (and shouldn't be able to) bribe themselves out of jail.

Re:What. The. Fuck. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633121)

Polluters can't bribe themselves out? Funniest joke I heard all day.

What. The. Fuck. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633087)

Guy poisons people and goes to prison, what an injustice.

One can only hope (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632617)

the russians shoot down ellisons plane in retaliation

However, in soviet russia, Java programs you

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632649)

the WiFi IDs YOU

what Snowden has done is like... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632651)

what Snowden has done is pretty much as if somebody during WW2 would leave UK or US and find refuge to Germany because he founds that those countries are unfair to some minorities.

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632755)

What Snowden has done was get his passport revoked by the US state department, but hey, let's not let facts get in the way of your stupid fucking comparison.

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632841)

I feel certain that the State Department would be happy to sponsor his return, sans-passport, so your red herring really has no bearing on the topic.

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632903)

yeah...and Snowden couldn't get a fair trial here...so he'd do that why?

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (1)

zlives (2009072) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633251)

he would get a fair trial, just not fair judgement or fair punishment.

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633267)

yeah...and Snowden couldn't get a fair trial here...so he'd do that why?

To make his point even more vividly in the media and avoid lending aid to another country doing worse things to it's citizens.

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632949)

so in ww2, if you left the UK / US and went to Germany your passport wouldn't be revoked?

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632795)

what Snowden has done is pretty much as if

Your spy bosses should fire you for being incompetent at online propaganda. Did you sleep through the training classes?

Two paygrade reductions would be the most kind you should expect.

Re:what Snowden has done is like... (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632847)

hey, go easy on him. when you get past the phony unemployment numbers, honest work is hard to get.. and being an online shill CAN pay. of course, you're right - that's still no excuse for not paying attention in training.

Re: what Snowden has done is like... (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633187)

"Those who can, do. Those who can't... beg for change, suck dick for crack or are paid shills for Fascists or Big Pharma." :)

Bye bye Internet (4, Insightful)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632701)

It was good while it lasted. Now the real owners of the world came to the conclusion that the internet undermines the total control of them, so they are eliminating it as they did with many other technologies and groups who tried to give power to the people.

Re:Bye bye Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632963)

...as they did with many other technologies...

Which technologies are these?

Re:Bye bye Internet (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633149)

They'll never kill mesh networking, no matter how hard they try.
In trying, they will only cause a physical war.

Mesh networking is already getting more and more attention in recent years.
It will only grow over the next 6, and even more so.
And with things like Piratebox, it will even be easy for regular people to setup eventually.
It just needs a little tidying up though. Once it reaches the point of being as easy as, say, Tor, then it might work.

By doing this, they are only making it CONSIDERABLY harder for them to police things.
They will cause their own anarchy.

Not a law (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632717)

It's not even a law, but an executive decree.

Not a law (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632743)

Funny thing, when Putin does this he is a communist but when Obama does this he is not?

Re:Not a law (1)

EEPROMS (889169) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632873)

I hear Putin is about to decree that his political party is going to be renamed "the Nationalist Socialist party" (go look it up if you don't know who they are).

Re:Not a law (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633295)

It's not even a law, but an executive decree.

You mean that they have pens and phones in Russia too?

Now this just might.... (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632729)

THIS might kill Java (tm).

Oracle is Blocking Downloads to Russian IP addresses? Is there anybody who thinks this will in anyway help?

Re:Now this just might.... (2)

Z00L00K (682162) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632839)

And the countermeasure is - block access to Russian Porn?

Re:Now this just might.... (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633039)

And the countermeasure is - block access to Russian Porn?

That vile Putin fella... Doesn't he know he's going to be savaged on Slashdot for doing that?

Re:Now this just might.... (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633117)

Oracle is Blocking Downloads to Russian IP addresses? Is there anybody who thinks this will in anyway help?

Some idiots at the State Department, apparently. As much as Oracle will do whatever they're told to keep the gravy train rolling, I doubt /they/ think it's a sensible idea.

Re:Now this just might.... (2)

aix tom (902140) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633183)

Well, it might speed up the "Russian Coffee" fork of Java. Like sunshine mixed with happiness.

And when I say sunshine I mean coffee.
And when I say happiness, I mean vodka

Another brick in the wall (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632773)

So not a that long ago they took down their physical walls. Now it seems they want to replace them with virtual walls. Russia is starting to look and act just like the Russia I grew up with in the 70's.

So much for "open" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632783)

Not entirely surprising that Tsariski Putin is putin the clampdown on free speech. Bad thing, yadda yadda.

But oracle blocking java downloads? So much for its promises of free availability. And yet more reason to abandon java, or at least their implementation thereof. Because they've just thrown away the idea that this here thing universally runs everywhere.

emargo on java? (0)

nurb432 (527695) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632811)

wtf is the point?

Re:emargo on java? (2, Funny)

eladts (1712916) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632827)

wtf is the point?

Improved security?

Re:emargo on java? (1)

bobbied (2522392) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633303)

wtf is the point?

They will have to drink TEA to stay awake now.... It's evil genius!

If you're the leader of Russia... (1, Interesting)

uCallHimDrJ0NES (2546640) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632813)

...then access to the Internet no longer looks like "free speech" or an economic stimulant. It now simply looks like foreign surveillance of my citizens, who are ignorant to how they're being harvested and used for the interest of external powers. If life were a game of Civ, and I was playing as Russia, I'd cut off the Internet too.

Re:If you're the leader of Russia... (1)

Yunzil (181064) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633369)

So you're saying Russia is doing this out of concern for the privacy of their beloved citizens? Would you be interested in a beautiful antique bridge in Brooklyn I have for sale?

In Soviet Russia (2)

dumuzi (1497471) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632829)

The internet browses you.

You know what? Screw them. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632835)

It'll do the world a favour once Russia realizes they're the fucking third world - they're not a peer, they're not a competitor, they're a backward relic from a bygone era. The US, EU, and China represent the real powers in the globe, with a strong first-world supporting cast of Japan and other countries; a strong second-world with a developing Brazil, India and the Asia Tigers; finally you have those which time is slowly forgetting. Russia clearly fits in to a clearly defined role.

As reported to European media, their population loves the actions their leaders are undertaking to "stick it to the west"; as far as we should be concerned, they can sleep in the bed that Vladimir makes.

Re:You know what? Screw them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633175)

Third world with second largest amount of nukes. And chemical and biological weapons. So let's put an embargo on them to increase the misery inside, it will most definitely cool down some heads. People there certainly won't be constantly attacked by nationalist propaganda, blaming other countries for its misery. There certainly won't be any repression of dissidents. We know, because it worked so well on the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, which democraticly always elects the ruling party and the eternal leader.

When faced with poverty, misery and hunger, people tend to follow the one that gives or even only promises bread. And then they rationalize those decisions as just.

Re:You know what? Screw them. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633397)

Ehm http://www.space.com/26551-us-military-launches-russian-rocket-engines.html

Are you sure Russia is third world? The only I see is that USA are an arrogant world!!

Makes you wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632849)

Makes you wonder why they bothered fighting WWI at all.

There's no crackdown on WiFi (3, Informative)

Cyberax (705495) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632865)

There's no crackdown on WiFi. The quoted rule only applies to publicly-owned free WiFi hotspots: http://slon.ru/fast/russia/pra... [slon.ru]

Slon.Ru, great unbiased source (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632931)

When supporting documents are churned by Putin's propaganda producing press, Russia can do no wrong.

No java in Russia? (4, Funny)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632893)

Those luck bastards!

If we wanted to punish them, we'd make JAVA usage manditory. JAVA Desktops for everyone! JAVA ME phones only! and Java Jackpot. Who the hell knows what the point of Jackpot was, but starting now every Mother and child in Russia must figure it out, and use it!

So no more java monkies in Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632909)

Maybe this is a good thing for Russia, they'll have to learn to handle garbage collections and lots of other important programming lessons that java helps you ignore XD

Where's Happy Vlad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632941)

Remember Happy Vlad, that kinder and gentler guy that used to hang around before the Olympics? I miss him. Maybe he'll come back in a few years before the next World Cup.

Embargo emshmargo (1)

mendax (114116) | about a month and a half ago | (#47632975)

It would be interesting if this "embargo" lasts any length of time. Given the importance of Java in today's IT world, it would be interesting if our colleagues in St. Petersburg would produce another clean-room implementation of Java. But it'll never happen. All trade embargoes are leaky. Consider, for example, Kim Jong-il, the North Korean un-leader, and the iMac on his desk [cultofmac.com] . That certainly wasn't bought at the local Pyongyang Apple store

Whatever (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47632981)

I don't know why anyone is surprised that Putin and company act like dictatorial thugs. Their nation is imploding and they need to bring out the rod to keep control.
Russia is going through the tyranny playbook chapter by chapter. Demonization and scapegoating of minorities, directly state controlled media spewing nationalistic propaganda, massive corruption and crony control of all major industries, suppression and murderer of political opponents. The list goes on. You name it, they do it. Anything not on the list will happen soon. Things will get worse before they get better.

This is now getting to be an old story in Russia. Something makes me wonder if their culture yearns to be under the boot of monsters and tyrants, because it's been that way for the past few hundred years.

And for the tired, trite "America does it too" blowhards that are already typing up their scathing reply:

Fuck you. Yes. Fuck you, how you think, how you act, what you believe. Fuck everything about you. YOU are the problem. America isn't perfect but your deaf, self serving, wildly out of scale comparisons are poisoning the debate and will frankly will be the end of us all. And not just with Russia. With everything. The Republican party is an out of control monster (Full stop. End of story. No debate. You are a child that does not deserve to participate in adult conversation) and you show up with your limp wristed cynical "Dems do it to so nothing matters!" bullshit and nothing gets done. Fuck you again, for good measure.

Re:Whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633205)

Dude (or dame), well said, well said.

Re:Whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633385)

Preach it brother!

America and Russia (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633037)

There are those who have tread under-foot the soft soil of another world.

There are those who could have done so but chose not.

Re:America and Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633389)

don't worry, america will be joining you soon..... soft foot indeed...

A new hope... or not (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47633171)

"We will hope that this restrictive tendency stops at some point because soon won't there be anything left to ban."

Hehehe, keep on hoping, that'll fix the lunatic Putin.

In Canada (1)

presidenteloco (659168) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633211)

where we still have some freedom, Putin is a hacked up, soggy, cheese-curd potato.

Cockyfight (1)

Tablizer (95088) | about a month and a half ago | (#47633383)

Ellison and Putin, two peas in a pod.

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