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How Many Domains Does Your School Own?

Cliff posted more than 12 years ago | from the many-domains-but-one-voice dept.

Censorship 255

ADrexelStudent asks: "A debate has been brought up in recent months at my school, Drexel University, on the issue of whether the school should be allowed to own over 300 domain names. One domain, drexel.com, has been purchased from the students that owned the site, which was being used as a student forum. Another site, drexel.org, is under contest from the school against it's owner, a student. The university claims they didn't know the owner was a student and hence filed a lawsuit claiming trademark violation. Problem is the school doesn't own the trademark, a furniture company with no relation to Drexel does. Out of all the 300+ domains, only one outside the .edu TLD is being used, drexel.com, prompting the argument that this is an attempt by the university to silence student opinion on the Internet. My question for slashdot is how many schools out there purchase domains with no intent to use them, should student tuition be used in this manner, and what is your opinion of this practice?"

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My school owns... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2367975)

... the X domain! And it is all real numbers in my polynomial function! I love Katy!

Failed bid to silence. (5, Insightful)

Matt2000 (29624) | more than 12 years ago | (#2367977)


Whether or not they posess the trademark, a school will not be able to silence student's opinions by regaining control of drexel.org or whatever. There are simply too many places to put up a webserver and I have a feeling that the domain name matters less than the number of students contributing to the server.

I guess the question is, why isn't this drexel company stepping in and sorting everyone out?

Re:Failed bid to silence. (4, Interesting)

grammar nazi (197303) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368001)

IANAL, but I doubt that the drexel furniture company owns a trademark on 'Drexel' as the name applies to education. The trademark only covers what they make it cover, i.e. furniture.

Re:Failed bid to silence. (1)

psych031337 (449156) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368258)

IANAL, but I doubt that the drexel furniture company owns a trademark on 'Drexel' as the name applies to education. The trademark only covers what they make it cover, i.e. furniture.

So i could finally build my long-dream McDonalds automobile and not face trouble with the fast-food chain accidently posing under the same name ?

Re:Failed bid to silence. (2)

Felinoid (16872) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368274)

.org nither implys a company (of any sort) nore an education facility...

I think only a non-proffit organisation (a dot org) should be alowed to challange the dot org domain name...

The student should argue that Drexel.edu is the only domain inside the educational trademark.

Re:Failed bid to silence. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368278)

Maybe by "sorting everyone out", he meant:

drexel.edu goes to "drexel university"
drexel.com goes to "drexel furniture"
drexel.org goes to "???"

Dispute is over.

I owned Katy in her ASS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2367981)

In her ass, all night long!

One domain here (-1, Offtopic)

Niksie3 (222515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2367982)

And we have user accounts on it that we can use to host a website (but no one except me knows and i have no desire to do so...)

Good day Mr. Orwell. How are things? (2, Interesting)

Dog and Pony (521538) | more than 12 years ago | (#2367987)

You gotta wonder what kind of critisism, opinions or similar they are afraid students will voice on the internet. Apparently the school is harboring secrets deep and dark enough to actually pay money from their budget, and use their employees time chasing this issue. Scary.

I'd have to admit though, that there Is a point to stopping anyone from using a domain that could be masked as the official page.

oh please (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368055)

Anytime I see a post that mentions 1984 or Orwell I stop reading. Its usually some conspiracy whacko wearing an aluminum foil hat. The school is just trying to cover its ass legally. How about you hear BOTH sides of the dispute before making an opinion, or is the underdog always right? What if someone made a page that claimed one of the teachers was a child molester? That could certainly damage a persons career and open the door for lawsuits.

Re:Good day Mr. Orwell. How are things? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368165)

Drexel has a lot of bad PR they don't want the world to see. For instance, last year the school was ranked #1 in the category of school is tiny, unsightly or both. Not exactly a deep dark secret, but they would prefer less people know about it, and drexel.com was full of students bitching about stuff like that and the pitifull state of Drexels financial aid office.

Trademark (5, Informative)

ajakk (29927) | more than 12 years ago | (#2367990)

Multiple companies can hold a trademark on the same name because the trademark system is broken into several fields. There are 66 trademarks that contain the name Drexel and at least 20 of those are the name Drexel by itself.

One of the biggest problems in domain name fights is when two people who both have a trademark on the name fight it out with each other. Then the regular rules of "give it to whoever has the TM" doesn't work.

You can look up trademarks at tess.uspto.org.

Re:Trademark (3, Interesting)

dsb3 (129585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368080)

If you want to see this stuff Done Right (imho) just browse on over to http://alteon.com/ to see what they've done.

Hmm... (5, Informative)

tsarina (456482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2367993)

It does seem rather repressive to take that many domains. It also adds to the problem of running out of domains, since the number of domains is limited (until people get past .com, .org, etc...). But the controls may be good for two reasons. First, then you can't have some student put up a porn site at namethisschool.net while the university's site is at namethisschool.edu or something. The confusion would be really bad, in regards to high schoolers researching colleges, or parents trying to learn what's happening at Johnny's school, and getting the URL wrong. Also, though it does seem like a waste of tuition, perhaps it is more of an investment. Later, when webspace is harder to find, the university could sell off some of those domains and use the money to hire teachers, fund scholarships, etc.

Re:Hmm... (1)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368011)

"put up a porn site at namethisschool.net while the university's site is at namethisschool.edu "

You've been to whitehouse.com right? I still believe in a first come first gets it internet. If you want to know what's actually on the site, use google.com

Porn and education. (4, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368178)

First, then you can't have some student put up a porn site at namethisschool.net while the university's site is at namethisschool.edu or something.

I don't know if you meant this as a hypothetical or not, but it does happen. I work for the IS department at Canisius College [canisius.edu] and a few years ago someone bought canisius.com [canisius.com] and set up a porn site there. It was pretty interesting trying to explain that to the people in publications and promotion.

"No, you don't want to put canisius.com on any of the literature. No, don't go there. Just trust me."

*scream*

--saint

AINAL (1)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2367995)

From every discussion on trademarks I've seen here, you cannot argue trademark names if you don't offer the same service. I wouldn't confuse Drexel furniture with Drexel U, unless of course it was the bed, cuz I slept all through my college.

Than again, there was the guy who had the dog named newyorkyankees.com?

Am I Not A Lawyer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368111)

AINAL = Am I Not A Lawyer?

Sounds like you were shocked to discover that you are not a lawyer.

Who cares (3, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2367996)

Let them buy what ever domains they want.
It isn't really that much money.
Let's focus on the bigger problem of creating
a more reasonable DNS naming scheme.

feces? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2367998)

man feces? or MONKEY feces?
i wanna fuck a girl covered in em...

Re:feces? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368023)

i wanna fuck a guy covered in em...

Re:feces? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368041)

i wanna fuck my SISTER covered in em
and DONKEY feces are good for slathering too.

"Your school"? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2367999)

Why do you presume we are kiddies?

Re:"Your school"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368035)

Who else would be glorifying stealing music and movies? Who else thinks they can go through life without having to pay for anything?

It's OK. A few years in the real world and they will be good windowsXP using CD and DVD purchasing citizens.

How many do the School of Hard Knocks own? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368003)

Ask a starving Afghani refugee!

...........__----=====----__
..-.-.-.-.|..----_____---...|
....---.-.|F.u.........c.k!.|
-..-.--...|__..c.k..P.u...__|
.............----_____----

fp (fourteenth post) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368004)

"In retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake. But I was only trying to retrieve the gerbil," Jeff Bates told bemused doctors in the Severe Burn Unit of Salt Lake City Hospital.
Bates and his homosexual partner Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, had been admitted for emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong. "I pushed a cardboard tube up his rectum and slipped Raggot, our gerbil, in." he explained. "As usual, CmdrTaco shouted out "Armageddon", my cue that he'd had enough. I tried to retrieve Raggot but he wouldn't come out again, so i peered into the tube and struck a match, thinking the light might attract him."
At a hushed press confrence, a hospital spokesman described what happened next. "The match ignited a pocket of intestinal gas and a flame shot out of the tubing, igniting Mr. Bates' hair and severly burning his face. It also set fire to the gerbil's fur and whiskers which in turn ignited a larger pocket of gas further up the intestine, propelling the rodent out like a cannonball." Bates suffered second degree burns and a broken nose from the impact of the gerbil, while Malda suffered first and second degree burns to his anus and lower intestinal tract.

It's true (-1, Flamebait)

empesey (207806) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368010)

CmdrTaco owns the domain of all the words that are spelled incorrectly.

Mathematically known as: f(v) - pronounced as f of x.

Katy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368012)

Katy -- Naked whipped and beaten by MY COCK

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368014)

who's katy?

Re:Katy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368022)

You're kidding right? Watch NBC at 7am on weekdays.

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368027)

Katy is the naked squeeling bitch riding the tip of my penis!!

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368029)

Must be a short ride.

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368036)

Sure is! I jizzed all over her insides then I tied her up and beat her senseless!! Then I jizzed in her mouth!!

KATY!!

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368118)

Sounds kinky. You should try a Dirty Sanchez or a Blumpkin on that bitch.

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368038)

I dunno, but a goddess [anna-fans.com] can be found here.

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368052)

Mmmmm -- but i like these [olsentwins.com] yummies even better!!

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368068)

oooooh kiddies!!! *jizzzes on slashdot*

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368153)

Holy shit. I didn't realize what they looked like now. How old are they? 17, 18? They're gunna turn out to be fuckin HOT.

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368164)

Thanks to Vlad's Fash Page [olsentwins.com] I am no longer the social outcast of grade 6!

Touch me, daddy!

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368043)

Today show every weekday. She is the one with the constant f*ck me now look.

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368183)

Some pics here [katie-cour...ection.com] . She doesn't look too hot to me but different strokes for different folks.


All you Boston folks probably remember Michelle Michaels (sp) from channel 7. She was a hotty. I think she's at the Weather Channel now.

Re:Katy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368201)

And while I'm talking about weather forcasters.. People in MA/NH/VT should check out Al Kaprilian on WNDS, a local indie station from NH. His weather delivery is insane. He has a high pitched squeaky voice that fluctuates octaves and he runs and jumps and skips and flies across the green screen. There's a picture of him at http://www.wndsnews.com/kaprielianbio.html . Just looking at him, you know he's a few cards short of a full deck. But he rules.

300+ domains? (3, Interesting)

dougmc (70836) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368032)

300+ domains? So what kind of domains are we talking about here? We've seen samples of a few -- do you have the full list?

Re:300+ domains? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368106)

the school paper once listed them all in an April Fools issue earlier this year. Unfortunately, the list is not at their website. do a whois on some search engine to see. Some link drexel w/ porn, drexelsucks domains, and references to the U's president and his self-proclaimed nickname.

Re:300+ domains? (1)

GarthSweet (514087) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368283)

I see they missed

drexelsoftware.com

it's kinda catchy and slashdot just indirectly caused it some PR I think I'll register it.

Re:300+ domains? (5, Informative)

mosch (204) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368110)

Not a full list but I found these from mucking around whois.
  • scienceinmotion.org
  • cshelp.org
  • drexelmedical.net
  • edrexel.com
  • drexelbank.org
  • itatdraxel.net
  • drexeldotcom.net
  • drexel-shaft.org
  • i-drexel.net
  • accessdrexel.org
  • drexelnet.com

Re:300+ domains? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368167)

look through this [whois.net] . It's basically a list of domain names that contain the string 'drexel' Some are legit sites, others are what's being talked about above (like drexel-shaft.com/org/net, drexelsucks.com/net/org, etc).

Re:300+ domains? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368226)

hear hear

In My Humble Opinion... (5, Informative)

Cap'n Crax (313292) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368037)

IMHO, they should respect the way DNS was intended
to be used, and have ONE domain, drexel.edu. If they need to subdivide it, do it they way it
was freaking intended. Like:

www.drexel.edu

mail.drexel.edu

news.drexel.edu

www.drexel.edu/~username

etc... This is the way my university has always
worked, and there has never been a problem for anyone. And yes, this foolishness IS a waste
of university (students!) funds. Someone who is
a student there should write an editorial slamming them for being so stupid.

All IMHO, of course...

Re:In My Humble Opinion... (4, Insightful)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368108)

Well.. I agree..
But the way to do multiple websites is to use www.science.drexel.edu, www.staff.drexel.edu, etc...
~username is fine for individual users pages on a given server perhaps...

DNS issupposed to be heirarchial.. the problem is it's also a be-all-end-all lookup service for the WWW now.
You want ford? YOu don't look up 'ford motor company' in an index and go to the site, you go to 'ford.com'.. that's the problem.

Re:In My Humble Opinion... (2, Insightful)

Cap'n Crax (313292) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368128)

I meant using the tilde for students, etc... What you said is exactly what my university does for departments. Try this search, it will show the way things SHOULD be done:

Google search site: eku.edu [google.com]

Re:In My Humble Opinion... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368123)

I'm hte guy that posted this question. They do EXACTLY what you suggest. Hence the reason I posted the question as some of the domains are things like drexelsucks, drexxxel and other porn domains, and a ton of others (hence 300 domains). The school paper has had MANY editorials and articles and commentaries (and anyhting else you can think of) on this topic, and I felt it was good to get outsider opinion.

The school prez was once quoted as saying he doesnt want websites popping up "that are not in commensurate with the school" We students see that as clear attempt at cencorship.

The comp ethics professor last winter semester discussed this exact topic. (He's also the one responsible for introducing me to /. :)) He sorta has mixed opinions on it.

The administration did miss one site: www.drexelshaft.com [drexelshaft.com]

Re:In My Humble Opinion... (1)

windi (231689) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368184)

Right on, but you could continue this:

www.drexel.edu.us, because they are not an international educational institution.

That is something a lot of people are missing, the .us. Domains without the country extensions were AFAIK only to be used by large international companies, institutions, etc...

So, IMO, Sun or Microsoft deserve the .com, but the mom-and-pop store down the street is supposed to get the .co.us.

Another question on domain names: What does the .ac stand for in british educational domains (they use .ac instead of .edu) ?

BTW, we need more top-level domains.

Re:In My Humble Opinion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368199)

.ac in British domains stands for 'academic' or something along those lines.

Re:In My Humble Opinion... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368219)

.ac == academic (or maybe academia)

Universities and domain squatting (2, Interesting)

UNIBLAB_PowerPC (443101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368039)

An EE prof told our class of grad students last fall that universities can't horde top-level domain names, but I called bullshite on that little factoid. Looks like Drexel proves that was a crock -- universities can do what they damn well please.

I've since dropped the program because they were clueless about what they wanted to teach, couldn't communicate amongst themselves or with students, and now I'm skeptical of anything I didn't pick up on my own during that experience. If ye olde prof is actually right about this one, someone please tell us all who regulates something trivial like this?

Bring back the Usenet Cascade! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368048)

Reply to this! Cascaaaaade!!

Why is this a question? (1, Flamebait)

andy@petdance.com (114827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368056)

I don't understand why this is posted here. There are really three questions:

Should the school be allowed to own over 300 domain names
Why not? Why does the school need to follow any different rules than any other entity? If CmdrTaco had 300 domains, would we care?

how many schools out there purchase domains with no intent to use them
Why does it matter how many others do it? What bearing does it have on your school?

And finally, should student tuition be used in this manner?
How presumptuous to think you have any say in how your tuition is spent. You don't wonder aloud what McDonald's does with your cash after you buy a Happy Meal, do you? And if you don't like it, you don't give them the money.

I guess the real question is "Why do people post tempest-in-a-teapot stories to Slashdot?"

Re:Why is this a question? (2, Informative)

CodeMonky (10675) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368099)

If it is a public university (at least in fl) you are required to provide access to your budgets and payroll since tax dollars are funding the university, through that you can see how the tuition money is being spent.

Re:Why is this a question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368252)

It's a private school as far as I can remember and I'm too lazy to look it up.

Re:Why is this a question? (4, Troll)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368100)

"Should the school be allowed to own over 300 domain names
Why not? Why does the school need to follow any different rules than any other entity? If CmdrTaco had 300 domains, would we care?"

Because, in a world of limited domain names, we should care if any "entity" owns a bunch of names not being used. There are a limited number of meaningful, easy-to-remember names out there.

"how many schools out there purchase domains with no intent to use them
Why does it matter how many others do it? What bearing does it have on your school?"

Wow, I feel like I'm trying to explain Afghan politics to George W. Bush. Okay, moron, listen up, and try to follow along. I'll use small words.

What happens at one school is generally of interest to students at another school. Sometimes this is simply for the same reason that people are interested in the world around them (Wow! What a concept!) and sometimes it's because what happens at one school now might well be happening at other schools next year. Imagine that.

"And finally, should student tuition be used in this manner?
How presumptuous to think you have any say in how your tuition is spent. You don't wonder aloud what McDonald's does with your cash after you buy a Happy Meal, do you? And if you don't like it, you don't give them the money."

Presumptuous? Go fuck yourself. First of all, yes, I do sometimes wonder where my consumer dollars go -- and if people didn't talk about it, I'd have no way of finding out and deciding if I wanted to spend my money there or not. Second, the connection between a school and a student is much more intimate than the connection between McDonald's and someone ordering a Happy Meal -- or at least it should be; I wonder where (or if) you went to college that you don't understand that.

Re:Why is this a question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368105)

you lost me on the mc donalds comparison. a meal at mc donalds costs under $6.00 unlike my tution which is $5000.00 per year (plus books/room/food/whatever). Yes i have the right to know where that money is spent (just like the government should tell me what they spend my taxes on).

But hey! that is just my $0.02

Re:Why is this a question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368154)

Lucky you. My tuition is $17000.00

Re:Why is this a question? (4, Insightful)

Kagato (116051) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368134)

Higher education doesn't run just off tuition. Most larger universities take in millions of dollars a year from the State and Federal Gov't. Some in the form of grants. Others straight up dollars into the budget.

As a tax payer I want to know how MY MONEY is being spent. If a tax payer funded organization is wasting thousands of dollars on leagal and domain fees, then I'm pissed. The tax payers of the state entrusted money to see that standard of education was met. And as it stands I can't even fathom a good reason to waste that much money.

Then again, I think the entire higher education system is worse at wasting money then the federal gov't.

Re:Why is this a question? (3, Insightful)

phaze3000 (204500) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368157)

How presumptuous to think you have any say in how your tuition is spent. You don't wonder aloud what McDonald's does with your cash after you buy a Happy Meal, do you? And if you don't like it, you don't give them the money.

Wait, first you argue we have no right to know how the money we spend with a company is used, then you argue that if we don't like the way the money is used we shouldn't spend it there. The two views are incompatible.

There are places I won't spend my money because of the way it may be used (Domino's Pizza [holysmoke.org] for example). The discussion of how companies use our money is one of the few powers captilism gives the masses; vote with your feet and you can make the company think again. If this were to be disallowed, then there would be nothing to keep corporations in check.

Re:Why is this a question? (1)

uncadonna (85026) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368271)

Yes! Exactly the great flaw in the standard libertarian position. Precisely.

(yes, redundant posting, I know, but...)

... what he said. It's important.

Re:Why is this a question? (1)

c0rtez (443072) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368210)

You don't wonder aloud what McDonald's does with your cash after you buy a Happy Meal, do you? And if you don't like it, you don't give them the money.

Big difference here: Firstly, happy meals are consumable, so a happy meal will affect you for maybe a day (including digestion) and cost less than $5.
Schooling costs ~25k or so and affects you for a lifetime.

Why shouldn't it be treated as an investment?

Re:Why is this a question? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368221)

i'm a drexel student, let me give our feelings:

It's OUR tuition money funding payment to register all those domains. Our tuition is already VERY high (17 grand/year + fees + housing), we dont need it to be any higher from unnecessary expenditures. Even some faculty dont like owning all those domains for that very reason.

The school prez has been quoted as saying he doesnt want websites popping up "that are not in consolate with U intentions" That means it's censorship, as in the school buying drexel.com which used to be a student forum so that they could use it for their own intentions. (note: they are actually going to use it sometime in 2002)

Just about every other domain is useless. They've gotten hands on every variation of drexelsucks you can think of, plus those including the prez's name and nickname.

If you look at the drexel.org site, you'll see a letter from drexel's lawyer's stating that 'drexel' is a TM of Drexel U. The guy who owns the site posted a reply there of the REAL TM owners of 'Drexel' - Drexel Heritage Furniture - directly from the US's TM office.

Lastly - this is a 'tip-of-the-iceberg' problem at drexel. The Princeton Review in the past few weeks gave Drexel the #6 in 'Campus is small, unsightly, or both.' (That's an improvement from #1 last year). #9 in 'Students dissatisfied with Financial Aid,' worse than last years #18. The school boasts as one of the best for technology in computers and engineering and art, yet they dont know how they handed all our SSNs over to a thebancorp.com last year.

"l33t" domain logic.. (-1, Offtopic)

newr00tic (471568) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368059)

My school own 1 domain.
mee regard school as my domain

/me "0wnz" 2 domains.

@ Virginia Tech (5, Informative)

pjdepasq (214609) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368063)

Here at VT, two years ago they clamped down on sites with the Hokie name in them (a trademarked name/symbol of the school mascot), and other VT/ Virginia Tech domain names. Their reasoning at the time, I recall, is that use of the names violated their registered marks.

In addition, they were going after sites which used player likenesses and images (i.e. Michael Vick) because under the NCAA rules, student-athletes are not permitted to endorse a product or service. VT was apparently concerned in that case about NCAA sanctions related to student run web pages which used player images and likenesses to promote their site.

My point, it's not always the case that the school is trying oppress free speech, but rather protecting the use of their marks and are worrying about other factors, like the NCAA situation.

Still here at VT, students are not permitted to use the school logos on their web pages (see this page [vt.edu] ).

Re:@ Virginia Tech (0, Troll)

mosch (204) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368086)

Your experience doesn't apply here. The only sport regularly practiced at Drexel University is avoid the crazy-ass beggar at the 7-11.

Satire (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368074)

Well, in the case of Drexel University, you could have a satire site called something like WrecksAll.com or wrexall or whatever. maybe have it tied into an actual newspaper. Same thing on other official names

There has been some effective arguement made that the actual purpose of the education system is not innovative thinkers but a properly propagandized population.

make of it what you will.

Domains? One. (4, Informative)

neema (170845) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368082)

If they need subcategories, let them get subdomain names. All in the .edu range. Therefore, if lets say columbia wanted a specific domain for it's law program, it'd be law.columbia.edu.

Reasons why they should stick to .edu:

1) It makes things less confusing. When you want to find your college on the web, you'll basically enter it's name and clip on .edu with suprising accuracy, even if a few name variation attempts are needed.

2) They're educational, not commercial. They're not an organization, really. That's like the government wanting all forms of they're domain, when they have .gov for that very purpose. If collegs are allowed to get other domain names, then the next domain name I want is neema.edu.

Re:Domains? One. (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368135)


If collegs are allowed to get other domain names, then the next domain name I want is neema.edu.


That's a good point. Actually it's a great point for very damned business out there. You only need ONE damned domain name. All your other machines, or whatever, can be pieces of that. Drexel should be happy they have an .edu. I certainly wouldn't want businesses being able to grab those!
Similarly, if I ever register my own domain, I certainly wouldn't want to be a .com. Look at PSU:


domain is psu.edu
www.psu.edu
red.crayola.psu.edu
green.crayola.psu.edu
.
.
ripsaw.otc.psu.edu
buzzsaw.otc.psu.edu
hacksaw.otc.psu.edu
.
.
*.engr.psu.edu
*.libraries.psu.edu
*.lias.psu.edu
psuvm.psu.edu (yeah, baby!) :)

etc.

Re:Domains? One. (2)

wrenkin (71468) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368211)

My school (University of Toronto) owns the domain name

toronto.edu [toronto.edu]

however they don't like to use it. Canadian universities don't seem to like it. I guess they like to be a little nationalistic and use the .ca instead. So we end up with toronto.edu just pointing to

utoronto.ca [utoronto.ca]

Witness also queensu.ca and mcgill.ca , although I don't think they have .edu names at all. Some people, like the math department, seem to just use the .edu when they refer to their site, but it could be that my professor is just used to that idea. The country thing is acceptable, but I've never really appreciated it's ubiquitous use in some countries... like www.shoddyelectronics.com.tw , or www.random.co.uk . It just seems to give up the whole 'international marketplace' feel that .com is supposed to have.

My University should sue Universal Studios!!! (3, Funny)

Joey7F (307495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368083)

I go to USF in Tampa, Florida. USF stands for University of South Florida (yes the school with the terrorist instructor who became leader of the islamic jihad). Anyway, USF.edu is our website, but USF.com is Universal Studios Florida.

We should sue them, I bet they have deep pockets and could help me lower tuition costs.

[/Homer] In case you couldn't TELL I was being SARCASTIC [End Homer\]

--Joey

domain possession (3, Interesting)

hidden vampyre (324476) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368088)

I must admit that 2/300+ domains being [noticeably] used sounds a bit extravagant. I note however that in your post the case for at some domains is that the university simply buys them, rather than forcing the student owners to surrender them. In those cases at least it is the students making the decisions. However the underlying attitude of the university in garnering a useless monopoly does not seem to be a good one, and I think that it takes away from the dynamic essence of a university community that should be what all institutions strive for.

Similar situation (1)

CodeMonky (10675) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368090)

We where in a simialr situation. Stetson.edu is us and stetson.com is the people that make hats. Stetson.org and .net where registered and we didn't really have any problem with it. A group of students registered stetsonsucks.com, which I personally though was funny but PR didn't seem to agree and went on a buying spree buying up domains like crazy, names that included our mascots, of course I think they would have liked to had stetsonschool.org but it was taken.

you're right (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368112)

you're right

and so is mr. tom

where can i download good free porn (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368092)

not from drexel.org, that's for sure.

but where can i download good free porn?

finding all owned domains? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368093)

What's the best way to identify all domains owned by a given entity?

lowering the signal/noise ratio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368102)

just by goating them isn't going to be enough

lowering the slashdot signal/noise ratio for three years and counting

SUNY Stony Brook (1)

Markusis (46739) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368094)

At SUNY Stony Brook, we own sunysb.edu and stonybrook.edu. We only had sunysb.edu for a while, but they thought that was too confusing and bought up stonybrook.edu. We use mail.sunysb.edu and news.sunysb.edu. It's the way it should be. (OT) Altough we did get a $25 million grant from computer associates, and the president of the school is on the board of directors at CA. Go figure!!

Sad News Folks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368116)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon

Drexel Shaft... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368136)

yet another incident of....THE DREXEL SHAFT

and (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368148)

a goat

A much easier way... (3, Interesting)

hendridm (302246) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368151)

You should be lucky they even allow you to graduate. The last time I protested about the curriculum a certain administrative person pulled me into his office and threatened that "any teacher who didn't want me in his/her class could come to him and make it happen". I read that as, "we can prevent you from graduating if we don't like you".

Why sue a student, who has no money, when you could just threaten to take away his/her degree. I bet the person would cough it up real quick. It works for our shady University. Apparently "for the students" has different meaning in Wisconsin.

If you're not sure whether the University sensors student speech, read the school newspaper sometime. I hear people bitch about things they hate hear, yet I open the newspaper to see people regurgitating the same point of view as the school. Student run newspaper? To laugh!

Drexel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368156)

The domain name issue is the least of Drexels problems. Drexel is the most incompetent organization in the history of the world. Currently they believe I am not a US citizen and demand to see my birth certificate to prove it. Note: I am a born and bred US citizen and they have seen my birth certificate on this is issue before.

What does their domains held matter? (2, Interesting)

webtree (447446) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368181)

In the real world the domain system is crowded, but is expanding and those expansions are happening, slowly granted, but they are happening.

A better question would be how much IP space are they hoarding for use with those 300+ Domains. For example I believe MIT have a class A to them selves, no problem there in itself, we should have as much space as required, but IP's are a far more limited resource than names, and there just isn't the room to keep expanding in the current conditions. I doubt Drexel has anywhere like that number. IPv6 is not coming as fast as it should be and that should be more of a concern to us than names.

Let them have as many domains as they like so-long as they aren't stolen from the students, (or anyone else for that matter), with a LEGITIMATE use for them.

Re:What does their domains held matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368240)

Well, Apache does have this wonderful HTTP 1.1 compatibility allowing you to do virtual hosting without bothering with multiple IPs. I for example currently have six test domains running off one machine (internal only, before you start on about wasting domain names). On the other hand, I can quite clearly see why people shouldn't register domain names right and left with no use for them, because I am tired of looking for an appropriate domain name only to discover some idiot cybersquatting on every variation of the name of the project I was hoping to host... still, what with the changing economy maybe people will eventually get a life.



As far as I can see the whole cybersquatting thing happened because of all the publicity on '500,000 dollar domains' and so on. Which was just another artifact of all those sad fuckers who saw the internet as a way to Get Rich Quick!!!... with any luck a lot of these domain registrations will collapse with their owners losing interest due to lack of offers. But in any case, I don't see it as a problem associated with IP v4 given that most commercial systems use virtual hosting, anyway.

Brandeis University (1)

D_Gr8_BoB (136268) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368209)

Brandeis owns brandeis.edu and brandeis.org. Brandeis.com is an add/portal redirector, however, so it's hard to argue that Brandeis has no reason to have taken the .org rather than have it suffer a similar fate.

Sometimes, there is no other choice (3, Interesting)

Florian Weimer (88405) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368212)

The local university over here received complaints because someone was hosting a porn site under a domain name which was confusingly similar to the official one. In such cases, the easiest approach is to acquire the domain name, shutting down the porn site itself is much too complicated. Similar problems occur if some student organization or political party holds critical (i.e. very similar or officially looking) domain names. I can imagine quite a number of domain names pileing up in the course of time.

However, the problem is less drastic over here in Germany because most university DNS entries usually have a UNI- prefix in the second to last component. Anyone registring such a domain who does not represent a university should know that he is heading for trouble, and it is rather unlikely that random collisions occur.

www.stevensishell.com (1)

RevDobbs (313888) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368241)

Take a look at Snevets [stevensishell.com] vs. Stevens Tech [stevens-tech.edu] . Something that has been passed from generation to generation of students here is the habit of reversing the school name when mocking it... Is Drexel going to also register every iteration of LexerdSux.com?

As long as... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2368248)

As long as you are able to have "drexelsucks.com/org/net/whatever", I don't think they are silencing opinion.

Plus, they don't HAVE to sell their domain name.

Trademarks (1)

Garry Anderson (194949) | more than 12 years ago | (#2368269)

Trademarks on the Internet is a false argument.

I have been talking to the authorities for some time, about this matter.

The United States Department of Commerce and the United Nations World Intellectual Property Organization know the solution.

Big business wish to abuse the powers of their trademarks and to deny your First Amendment Rights.

In 'real world' trademarks are identified by a symbol - why should it be any different in 'e-world'?

Instead of ® - use a TLD of .REG - it is obvious.

Please visit WIPO.org.uk [wipo.org.uk] for details.
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