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Chinese Researchers' 'Terror Cam' Could Scan Crowds, Looking for Stress

timothy posted about 2 months ago | from the what-if-you're-stressed-about-government-surveillance? dept.

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concertina226 (2447056) writes Scientists at China's Southwest University in Chongqing are working on a new type of camera that takes Big Brother to a whole new level – the camera is meant to detect highly stressed individuals so that police can catch them before they commit a crime. The camera makes use of hyperspectral imaging, i.e. a 'stress sensor' that measures the amount of oxygen in blood across visible areas of the body, such as the face. Chinese authorities are deeply concerned about the recent spate of deadly attacks occurring in public places, such as the mass stabbing attack by eight knife-wielding extremists in the city of Kunming, Yunnan in March, which left 29 civilians dead and over 140 others injured.

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Psycho Pass (5, Insightful)

Major Ralph (2711189) | about 2 months ago | (#47654915)

And before long they'll be labeling people as latent criminals and locking them up before they ever even commit a crime.

Re:Psycho Pass (2)

ganjadude (952775) | about 2 months ago | (#47654979)

minority report, coming to a china near yu!

Re:Psycho Pass (1, Funny)

LifesABeach (234436) | about 2 months ago | (#47655039)

Could I apply this to the talking heads of Fox News? What could I possibly conclude?

Re:Psycho Pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655165)

That these are just puppets?

Re:Psycho Pass (1)

durrr (1316311) | about 2 months ago | (#47655033)

>Please officer I'm 20 minutes late for work not a terrorist!
>Sorry, we need to verify your identity and make you 20 minutes later
>Portable scanner: warning stress level increasing, violence imminent
"Sorry boss, I got shot on my way to work this morning"

Is there a way to cheat ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655505)

There are people who says that there is a way to cheat the lie-detector - and I am wondering of there is a way to cheat this new hyperspectral imaging thing ?

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (4, Insightful)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47655601)

There are people who says that there is a way to cheat the lie-detector - and I am wondering of there is a way to cheat this new hyperspectral imaging thing ?

Yea - it's called "being exactly the type of sociopath you would want stopped by this sort of thing."

See, a sociopath won't show stress before committing a crime, because they don't stress about such things; that sort of behavior is normal for them.

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (1)

EvilIdler (21087) | about 2 months ago | (#47656079)

Or just clenching your butthole. That's the supposed trick against lie detectors, anyway :) I somehow think it would have the opposite effect against this terror cam, but I'm not about to go on a killing spree, so I can't test it.

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47656707)

Don't think that would work, as lie detectors are based off of heart rate and skin salinity (I think), whereas this camera operates by recording a persons "aura," for lack of a more scientific term.

Point being, a true sociopath, such as a religious fanatic, isn't going to show stress the way the authorities would expect them to. All this camera is going to catch are the people with high blood pressure, and those of us who get nervous around cops.

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 2 months ago | (#47657723)

> whereas this camera operates by recording a persons "aura," for lack of a more scientific term.

Aura? Seriously? No. Not even close. It works by looking for small fluxuations in skin color that result from changes in blood flow. This same technique has been investigated as a tool for medical use as well.

I am pretty sure that clenching your anal sphincter, or any other muscle in your body, will result in changes in blood flow. Actually given how poor most people's motor control actually is, it will probably result in you clenching several other muscles and likely holding your breath momentarily (seriously, try it, also, try taking a dump without holding your breath as you push, it takes some practice....)

> All this camera is going to catch are the people with high blood pressure, and those of us who get nervous
> around cops.

On this you are spot on....along with people who:
- just had a fight with their wife
- have kids failing classes
- just lost their job
- are on their way to a job interview
- just got a cancer diagnosis
- have an irrational fear of travel

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47658169)

> whereas this camera operates by recording a persons "aura," for lack of a more scientific term.

Aura? Seriously?

Well, no, of course not. But when they use terms like "hyperspectral imaging," you've got to admit, that sounds pretty damn Ghosthunter-y.

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659371)

An aura is more your electrical field. We are complex electro-chemical machines. Changing blood flow will cause changes in your field, but I don't know of any camera that could see something like that.

An article about the first software that watched skin hue changes to track blood flow was posted on Slashdot. We have almost instantly slid down the slippery slope. There's more software using this to spy on people (government tracking, does his heart speed up when I'm near, etc...) than for medical help (remote heatbeat counting, finding the best needle insertion point, etc...).

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about 2 months ago | (#47661309)

Hyper = increased beyond normal range, like hyper-extension (joints) and hyperglycaemic.
Spectral = light emission range.

They are simply using UV or IR imaging (most likely IR, as increased oxygenation in the surface blood will alter the temperature of the skin) and since IR falls outside our typical range of visible light, calling it Hyperspectral imaging is quite correct.

You may be mistaking Spectrum and Spectre here and ending up with a ghost who's ingested too much sugar.

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656183)

Is this to be an empathy test? Capillary dilation of the so-called blush response? Fluctuation of the pupil. Involuntary dilation of the iris

Re:Is there a way to cheat ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47665825)

Read the AntiPolygraph.org

https://antipolygraph.org/

The dirty little secret behind the polygraph is that the "test" depends on trickery, not science. The person being "tested" is not supposed to know that while the polygraph operator declares that all questions must be answered truthfully, warning that the slightest hint of deception will be detected, he secretly assumes that denials in response to certain questions -- called "control" questions -- will be less than truthful. An example of a commonly used control question is, "Did you ever lie to get out of trouble?" The polygrapher steers the examinee into a denial by warning, for example, that anyone who would do so is the same kind of person who would commit the kind of behavior that is under investigation and then lie about it. But secretly, it is assumed that everyone has lied to get out of trouble.

The polygraph pens don't do a special dance when a person lies. The polygrapher scores the test by comparing physiological responses (breathing, blood pressure, heart, and perspiration rates) to these probable-lie control questions with reactions to relevant questions such as, "Did you ever commit an act of espionage against the United States?" (commonly asked in security screening). If the former reactions are greater, the examinee passes; if the latter are greater, he fails. If responses to both "control" and relevant questions are about the same, the result is deemed inconclusive.

The test also includes irrelevant questions such as, "Are the lights on in this room?" The polygrapher falsely explains that such questions provide a "baseline for truth," because the true answer is obvious. But in reality, they are not scored at all! They merely serve as buffers between pairs of relevant and "control" questions.

The simplistic methodology used in polygraph testing has no grounding in the scientific method: it is no more scientific than astrology or tarot cards. Government agencies value it because people who don't realize it's a fraud sometimes make damaging admissions. But as a result of reliance on this voodoo science, the truthful are often falsely branded as liars while the deceptive pass through.

Perversely, the "test" is inherently biased against the truthful, because the more honestly one answers the "control" questions, and as a consequence feels less stress when answering them, the more likely one is to fail. Conversely, liars can beat the test by covertly augmenting their physiological reactions to the "control" questions. This can be done, for example, by doing mental arithmetic, thinking exciting thoughts, altering one's breathing pattern, or simply biting the side of the tongue. Truthful persons can also use these techniques to protect themselves against the risk of a false positive outcome. Although polygraphers frequently claim they can detect such countermeasures, no polygrapher has ever demonstrated any ability to do so, and peer-reviewed research suggests that they can't.

Re: Psycho Pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655061)

I have actually been detained for around 1-2 min by 'failing' such a test while walking into a secure area in the US. You basically get stopped and if you calm down they let you go. The I important thing to remember is 99% of the time it's going to be a false positive so they are really checking to see if you going to flip out.

PS: People had attacked the building before on more than one occasion so it seemed like a reasonable precaution.

Re: Psycho Pass (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 2 months ago | (#47662257)

> You basically get stopped and if you calm down they let you go.

I wasn't aware that testing people for the ability to calm down was so important. Guess fuck anyone with an anxiety disorder. Only a couple of them anyway, and as long as they can be quiet about it no harm no foul right? So what if they experience a little personal hell for ....

> The I important thing to remember is 99% of the time it's going to be a false positive

99% is one time in a 100 is not a false positive? I have trouble believing even that is anything but a gross underestimate. Maybe 99.9999% or more. Since each crowd contains only a whole number of terrorists, the average crowd contains exactly 0 of them, so every single detained person is a false positive.... making it really 100%.

Maybe it will someday luck out and catch a terrorist, but it wont be before the number of people detained has been lost count of.

Re:Psycho Pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656351)

They already do this and have for a long time. People have been imprisoned simply for voicing an opinion.

The new meaning of "low latency" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656673)

Suppose you have a falling-out with family, spouse or something, and you go for a walk to cool down. Instead of some nice peace and quiet to think things over, you find a SWAT team in your way. They do their thing and the coroner collects the remains, and there's a press release that a dangerous would-be criminal was safely neutralized so you can all go home and sleep safely, citizens.

Something like this will happen at least once, possibly more often than actual would-be mass-murderers get "apprehended" this way.

In fact, I've held a job so stressful that I'd've gotten SWATed every walk from work, and even ten years on I can't even think about that place without feeling my blood pressure rise. And I know for a fact my successor in that job had similar blood pressure problems bad enough to warrant immediate medical attention. So that would mean I carry memories bad enough to trigger SWAT responses.

It does bring up a question: At what price eternal safety?

Face Crime (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47657871)

I believe Orwell predicted Face Crime quite some years ago. I am dismayed (but not surprised) to see people attempting to realize it.

Re:Psycho Pass (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659625)

Sybil has determined your PsychoPass hue is too green. Please report to a therapy center immediately.

Strive for a clear hue!
Strive for a clear hue!

Re:Psycho Pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47662681)

we need cytometric scans as well to use this. A THZ scanner checking for brain chemistry changes showing aggression could do it.

Fucking muslims! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654927)

It's the God damned Uyghurs! Call it out for what is is. It's FUCKING ISLAM you POS!

Re:Fucking muslims! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654999)

Yeah, if only the Chinese had shut down more mosques and killed more people!

Re:Fucking muslims! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655563)

If that's what it takes. Beat them like a drum!

Re:Fucking muslims! (1)

CaptainDork (3678879) | about 2 months ago | (#47655739)

Please step away from the camera ...

I can see a large false positive rate (3, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | about 2 months ago | (#47654941)

People on the way to the dentist, or a job interview, or even a first date might get called in. At the same time Muslims take great pains to brutalise and desensitise [dailymail.co.uk] their kids so they will be less likely to show stress.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655079)

I think it will be a good way to determine where public bathrooms are needed.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

dave420 (699308) | about 2 months ago | (#47655203)

There you go again complaining about Muslims. You really are a tiny-minded, scared xenophobe. It sounds like you and your ilk would set these sensors off in a heart-beat, as you seem utterly scared of Muslims, of whom you seem to know next to nothing. You are pathetic.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655287)

There you go again complaining about Muslims. You really are a tiny-minded, scared xenophobe. It sounds like you and your ilk would set these sensors off in a heart-beat, as you seem utterly scared of Muslims, of whom you seem to know next to nothing. You are pathetic.

I'm sorry. Let's call them "terrorists" then. That would be the more accurate label.

But let's not let labels get in the way of facts. Like the fact that the overwhelming majority of them are Muslim.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655393)

The overwhelming majority of terrorists in the middle east are Muslim, yes.

That does not mean the overwhelming majority of Muslims are terrorists.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655633)

Domination and submission to God is the core believe of Islam. Submit, or die. It's how it was founded, how it will end. Seriously, even the modern flag of many Islamic nations still bears the sword. The most fervent of groups will also include the silhouette of an AK47.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656047)

And still, the overwhelming amount of Muslims aren't terrorists so singling out this trait is completely ineffective, your number of false positives makes the true positives insignificant.
It's like when feminists blames all white males for all rapists. Just because most rapes in their area is committed by white males doesn't mean that the majority of all white males have more in common with rapists than any other group. In fact, if the rape is about establishing dominance and about power then the rapists might have more in common with the feminist than the average white male even if they have different gender.
In the same way, even if 100% of all terrorists were Muslims that doesn't mean or imply that 100% of Muslims are terrorists. Other factors like if the nation have recently been attacked by another country could be a much more relevant factor., but even then we know that the vast majority of the population just wants things to calm down and are willing to turn the other cheek if that leads to less violence.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656439)

> In the same way, even if 100% of all terrorists were Muslims that doesn't mean or imply that 100% of Muslims
> are terrorists.

Correct. What matters is the following: Out of the total number of terrorists, what percentage thereof are Muslims?

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47663329)

That's the core belief of all religious nutjobs. I don't care if you're Islamic, Christian or whatever, you're holding back humanity's progress for greed and control and you deserve to die.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

Cederic (9623) | about 2 months ago | (#47655999)

Terrorists in the newly declared 'Islamic State': 10,000ish
Terrorists supporting Hamas: 40,000ish

Lets assume that half the Muslim terrorists in the Middle East are inexplicably not aligned to either of the above causes.

Even those generous estimates leave the number of Muslim terrorists just half the size of the organisation actively bombing children, making people homeless and preventing a normal life for millions.

I guess I just have a different definition of 'terrorist' to you.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about 2 months ago | (#47685517)

Israel army (on phone to Gaza officials): We're going to be bombing this building, so make sure you get all the children, women, and others out.
Hamas terrorist: HA! Children! Stay where you are! You are safe here from the Jewish infidels! Don't move!
---- bombs drop ----
Hamas terrorist (to foreign media): That accursed Israeli army! They bombed children! How could they!

What other military actively warns the enemy ahead of time that they're going to be bombing a specific target? It's Hamas that makes sure civilians stay there, so they can use their deaths in the propaganda war against Israel. And you've fallen for it.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

Cederic (9623) | about 2 months ago | (#47685687)

Remind me, what's the current exchange rate on Palestinian children to Israelis?

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659639)

This scale bad to good defines most Muslims (80+%) .
1. Willing to kill and die to further Islam.
2. Not willing die but willing to kill.
3. Not wanting to do the killing themselves. but supportive of it.
4. Not sure if killing for Islam is good or bad
5. Believes killing for Islam is wrong to an extent, but not going to risk doing anything to stop it.
6. Believes killing for Islam is wrong but won't risk openly opposing killing for Islam.

Unfortunately, There are almost no Muslims who are closer to the last step on the scale which is believes allowing Killing for Islam is wrong and are willing to die to stop it or even willing to openly oppose killing for Islam. And that is why terrorists come from the middle east because they are at best allowed to fester and at worst fully supported.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655971)

There are some dead children in Gaza and Ukraine who might disagree with that 'fact'.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

Agares (1890982) | about 2 months ago | (#47655319)

I think they may just be refering to extremists/terrorists and didn't stop to think about how they typed that out.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

gstoddart (321705) | about 2 months ago | (#47655405)

Certainly, not all Muslims ... I know many who are nice and normal and sane. I suspect the majority of them are, just like everybody else is.

But if you think a 7 year old holding a severed head and posing for a photo is anything but desensitized to violence then I'd love to know what you consider 'normal'.

The extremists have taken barbarism and disregard for life to some pretty disgusting levels.

I'm betting you take the average happy, well adjusted child and show them a severed head, and they won't be posing for pictures.

I can pretty much guarantee I'd faint, hurl, or any number of things. Posing for a picture would not be one of them.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47658823)

There you go again complaining about Muslims.

I don't see a complaint. Merely an observation backed by a well-known news source.

You really are a tiny-minded, scared xenophobe.

You found a bird of a feather to flock to, then?

It sounds like you and your ilk would set these sensors off in a heart-beat, as you seem utterly scared of Muslims, of whom you seem to know next to nothing. You are pathetic.

Oh yes, wonderful arguments there. How about... oh right, the commandment to "pacify" the entire world by converting everyone in it to islam... or kill them? Right in your holy book. It's called jihad and if you don't acquiesce you're not a good muslim. And what do good muslims do to not so good muslims? Beheading. Again, right in your holy book. If you deny it's in there I'm going to assume you're lying, like islam allows you to. It's called taqiyya.

The word isn't pathetic, it's pathologic, and it applies to you. Even if you're not a muslim; then you're a socialist.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655213)

Also people like my with an anxiety disorder. I'm stressed all the time even just eating my lunch.

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (1)

mean pun (717227) | about 2 months ago | (#47655301)

Because Muslim is a synonym of terrorist, right? Congratulations, your brainwash is finished, just don't read the wrong news http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us... [nbcnews.com] .

Re:I can see a large false positive rate (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47669747)

I get stressed the moment I set foot in a large crowd simply because it is crowded.

What is a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654943)

What is a false positive? I've never heard of it before.

Re:What is a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655095)

What is a false positive? I've never heard of it before.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=false+pos... [lmgtfy.com]

Re:What is a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655281)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sarcasm_you_flippling_idiot

Re:What is a... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655257)

Is when they first shot/kill you without enough evidence and later they blame you for having to invent explanations about it.

In related news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654947)

Apple has stopped shipping the latest iPhone as the entire workforce of the Foxconn plants where it is made was detained by Chinese police on suspicion of terrorism.

Terror (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654953)

Does anyone else recognize the irony in calling it a "Terror Cam"? Implying it's going to detect terror - but it's really getting much closer to an Orwellian situation where everyone is terrified of getting noticed by the thought police.

Really, this is about detecting people who are /thinking/ about committing a crime. So, it's completely about thoughtcrime, not real crime.

Re:Terror (1)

khallow (566160) | about 2 months ago | (#47655051)

China has been an Orwellian society for about 65 years (some regions a bit longer than others).

Re:Terror (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655391)

Dude we're moving in the same direction here in America.
Are we now reduced to mindless copycats?

Re:Terror (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655991)

Dude? Really?

Re:Terror (1)

khallow (566160) | about 2 months ago | (#47659031)

Someone always has to put in a defensive "But America does it too" whenever we discuss negative characteristics of China or its government. I notice the urge generally isn't there when we discuss the foibles of Europe and most other parts of the world. Even commentary on the various ongoing spying scandals tend to remember that the US isn't the only offender.

Re:Terror (1)

retchdog (1319261) | about 2 months ago | (#47663897)

i've noticed this too. it's a weird combination of things.

: The fetishization of China by certain weirdos as a place of 'economic liberty' (lol), or at least something worth kowtowing to, just in case.
: The fear of appearing racist. This is due to a confusion of China (the culture) with Chinese (the race). In a bit of amusing irony, this confusion comes partly from the intense xenophobia of the Chinese culture itself. Here's a hint: corruption and brutality are not strongly heritable traits.
: False liberal humility.
: And finally, organized forum postings by patriotic and/or compensated [wikipedia.org] agents. Seriously, check for ACs and the recently-registered.

Except.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654957)

Many freak shows that do this stuff are completely calm and collected about doing this stuff...

Re:Except.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655327)

So psychopath criminals are precisely the ones who won't be caught.

Re:Except.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656493)

Yes, but true psychopaths aren't very common.

There's a pretty wide range between "messed up enough to shank some folks" and "messed up enough to shank some folks and not feel any anxiety over it".

The real problem is that the yet larger set are people who are as stressed out over being 5 minutes late as the guy planning a shaking rampage. So if the system is sensitive enough to catch the prospective criminals it'll also catch a ton of people who were juts minding their own business, and since no crime has actually been committed it'll be nearly imposible to sort the two categories out.

Re:Except.... (1)

TheCarp (96830) | about 2 months ago | (#47657975)

As stupid as I think this is, its a valid point. In fact, I highly doubt any terrorist foot soldiers are sociopaths.

What sociopath would risk his own life for a cause? That isn't a very sociopath thing to do. The place for the sociopath is planning the attack and finding the ideological folks to carry it out.

The actual low level terrorists are more likely disaffected and pissed. Fathers and sons who see themselves as getting revenge for a killed family member, for example....you know.... the kind of people a sociopath can talk into doing something for him.

Paging Normality... (1)

Etherwalk (681268) | about 2 months ago | (#47654965)

The problem with this kind of tech is a combination of false positive and police harassment of false positives.

Suddenly anyone with high blood pressure is a suspect.

I wonder if when tech will get deployed at customs.

False Positives (2)

CheezburgerBrown . (3417019) | about 2 months ago | (#47654971)

As someone that suffers from severe PTSD, I'm concerned about being picked up for false positives.

Picked the wrong day to quit smoking. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654973)

What about the extreme stress of having to be somewhere important on the other side of town and having to walk through a riot zone to get there? What if my wife filed for divorce that day? What if my kid is in the hospital and I'm trying to go there? What about people with astynomiaphobia? And on and on and on. If stress is probable cause for warrantless attention, Americans have no rights at all, because stress--not liberty--is the cornerstone of our lives.

Re:Picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue. (1)

captjc (453680) | about 2 months ago | (#47655461)

If stress is probable cause for warrantless attention, Americans have no rights at all, because stress--not liberty--is the cornerstone of our lives.

Whoa, back the FBI surveillance van up there cowboy. The article has nothing to do with the US. This is about China. Sure, if this technology takes off, there is a good chance that the TSA and NSA would be next in line. However, it is way too early to start decrying the loss of American civil liberties over this story.

Re:Picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656005)

If you don't think the Amerikans are trying this already in secret, you're dumber than a bag of hammers.

Re:Picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659815)

It's far more likely to occur in Europe, where population density and cultural habits make this an efficient and effective tool. Americans are usually in their cars, which makes this mostly useless in the US.

Face Recognition in Casinos (1)

handy_vandal (606174) | about 2 months ago | (#47662679)

"One of the most important advances in casino technology comes from facial recognition systems, where guests entering the gambling area are photographed and their visages are compared with an ever-growing database of known cheaters and suspicious people."

- Link [tested.com]

The Dude abides (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47654985)

An automated meth-head pogrom? Well, OK, if you must.

In other news... (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 2 months ago | (#47654993)

'Terrorists' quickly discover that a few milligrams of clonazepam right before the big martyrdom operation is way less haram than getting shitfaced and at least as effective at masking anxiety. In other news, state security services are stretched thin in their new battle against 'cosmetics', a class of nefarious concealment powders and pigments specifically designed to mask the user's true facial state. On a happier note, authorities report that perps with anxiety disorders are much easier to interrogate than the other kind and credit a 58% increase in the number and detail of mostly-voluntary confessions to a new focus on these low resistance criminals...

Re:In other news... (1, Informative)

James McGuigan (852772) | about 2 months ago | (#47655137)

This also won't work against the "terrorist" Buddhist monks who have decades of training in maintaining a perfectly zen state of calmness even in extreme situations... however their shaven heads and robes might be a dead give away.

"The Chinese foreign ministry has accused the Dalai Lama of "terrorism in disguise" for supporting Tibetans who have set themselves on fire in protest against Beijing's rule." - http://www.theguardian.com/wor... [theguardian.com]

Re:In other news... (2)

powerlord (28156) | about 2 months ago | (#47655769)

Actually for the Tibetan monks its a push.

Meditative practices can also help a person increase the flow of oxygenated blood in their body (what Qi really means) and help with the ability to consciously direct it.

(slips on robes) "These are not the terrorists you're looking for."

Re:In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655513)

Of course people with chronic anxiety get tossed in the clink for some "suspicious behavior" charge.

Better start buying your Corrections Corporation of America and Geo Group stock, as past gains have shown them almost as good as Apple for growth in the past decade.

Or maybe (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 2 months ago | (#47655007)

You could just change the government there and allow people more freedoms, including religion. Being fascist dickwads certainly isn't helping things. I'm not an advocate for religious practice however peoples' beliefs can force them to do something awful just to draw attention to their plight. Instead of stabbing people randomly, people being repressed in China could be like Shen Yun [goo.gl] and put on a show about it. No? Well okay carry on then creating something that'll put more people in jail or bring back the labor camps. [washingtonpost.com]

Re:Or maybe (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 2 months ago | (#47655087)

Being fascist dickwads certainly isn't helping things.

You're completely missing the [oh-so-fucking-simple] point: being Fascist dickwads helps Fascists with their Fascist agendas.

Re:Or maybe (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 2 months ago | (#47659551)

Well sadly FDs also get help from those Democracy loving nations around the world so it's not just fascists helping fascists out there. Lots of companies for example are helping the repression in Bahrain but nobody really says much because "there one of the good Arab nations"

Re:Or maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655333)

So how did the Americans offended the Saudi 911 terrorists?
Did Islam get repressed in America?

If anything the west need to learn from the Chinese.
The West/America has become a synonym for terrorism target. American embassies around the world basically triple isolation medieval fortresses (uncanny when you come across them outside of the country...like how much did they spent on this fucking passport stamping office). Americans travelling internationally have, if not explicit, instructions to not overtly be discernible as Americans.

The West need to fix its own huge sectarian problems.
Internationally and home grown.

Re:Or maybe (0)

gstoddart (321705) | about 2 months ago | (#47655609)

Being fascist dickwads certainly isn't helping things

Find me one Western government that isn't trending in this direction. If you think that most of them aren't moving that way, you haven't been paying attention.

The difference is really only in why you tell people you're doing this stuff, not that you're doing this stuff.

You don't think America would deploy terror cams at the drop of a hat? If you don't, you're sadly deluded.

The difference being, they'll tell people it's for their own safety, and people will eat the shit and smile.

Re:Or maybe (1)

Virtucon (127420) | about 2 months ago | (#47659537)

Yeah and they do it because we let them do it. Frankly I have more hope of turning around the situation of over-surveillance all in the name of stopping crime/terrorism. Unfortunately in China, the people don't have much of a choice in the matter at all. It would be an opportunity to take the lead in China for human rights by getting rid of this system of repressing society and maybe the world would follow that lead.

Re:Or maybe (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47658819)

I hope you know Falun Gong is a cult devoted to a single man, and deprives its followers of every single freedom. The western depiction is like the western depiction of Tibetan Budhism as saintly when reality of history shows it as brutal when in power. Think dismemberment for petty crimes. Falun Gong is worse.

Factory Floor Implementation (1)

eepok (545733) | about 2 months ago | (#47655015)

This would be great to use in sweatshops! You'd need fewer armed guards and you'd be able to see who is too relaxed (AKA slacking off)! Oh, panoptic society, I thought you were just a fantasy!

Wait, 1984 wasn't a guidebook? Well, then why have been working towards all the same tech? Oh... we're idiots. Got it.

Anyone else notices the problem? (1)

thieh (3654731) | about 2 months ago | (#47655025)

In the attempt of "detecting stress", they would probably be "causing stress" because there is now always someone watching you (not that you might be committing anything, just the lack of comfort due to people always watching you). So pretty much getting rid of people who has the potential of camera shyness

Extremists (2)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 2 months ago | (#47655027)

Maybe China should stop being so shitty to its people.

Re:Extremists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656685)

Maybe China should stop being so shitty to its people.

America is the biggest target for (Islamic) extremism.
Ergo, we treat Muslims like shit in America?

Robin Williams is missing from Slashdot! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655031)

No FP story whatsoever but of course another Microsoft story?

Disgusting.

Re:Robin Williams is missing from Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655139)

Try submitting one [slashdot.org] instead of whining.

Re:Robin Williams is missing from Slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655295)

several attempts have already been made but still no FP and a nice -1 for the OP.

Genetically-Engineered Killer Shellfish... (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 2 months ago | (#47655035)

Chinese Researchers' 'Terror Cam'

At first I read that as "Chinese Researchers' 'Terror Clam'...

We live in strange times; anything's possible.

Re:Genetically-Engineered Killer Shellfish... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655587)

I heard about terror-goat and terror-mule, but training shrimps to carry on attacks takes the cake.

Re:Genetically-Engineered Killer Shellfish... (1)

RatherBeAnonymous (1812866) | about 2 months ago | (#47655929)

You are clearly unfamiliar with the Mantis Shrimp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M... [wikipedia.org]

Some of the largest species can break aquarium glass by striking it.

Facecrime (1)

charronia (3780579) | about 2 months ago | (#47655043)

False positives aside, it can also serve as another excuse to arrest whoever you want because "they look guilty".

Re:Facecrime (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656617)

arrest whoever you want because "they look guilty" - standard operating procedure since... forever!

Re:Facecrime (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47661623)

They already arrest whoever they want for any or no reason so this makes no difference.

polymer polymorf polyman the rude awakening (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655049)

talk about terror??? some of us are shaving with pliers now?... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wmd+morgellons+weather

the stuff we come up with? based on our never ending WMD on credit fictional deity holycost inspired spiritual bankruptcy malady;

bogus to begin with then there's http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5517341&cid=47646895 media censorship & vandalism i can access from my pocket gadget?

all things being equitable.. any notion of real justice is based entirely on mercy, the centerpeace of momkind's heartfelt connection with creation

being spiritually & creatively merciful with each other takes out the (media/fear) drama of the always violent hateful fear & loathing punishment features. are we not each our very own reward? punish as we would wish to be punished? WMD on credit 'weather' is not punishment enough? http://www.globalresearch.ca/weather-warfare-beware-the-us-military-s-experiments-with-climatic-warfare/7561

fortunately over time the truth prevails.... see you there

Test it first... (2)

hsthompson69 (1674722) | about 2 months ago | (#47655077)

...in the National People's Congress (China's parliament).

I wonder how many potential criminals they'll find within the halls of government.

Clearly this is the wrong approach (3, Insightful)

NoNonAlphaCharsHere (2201864) | about 2 months ago | (#47655121)

What is needed is more knife-control laws, or, as they're known in this country, "knife-safety" laws. It is self-evident that if the government were to take away everyone's knives, these kinds of incidents would cease.

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (2)

dave420 (699308) | about 2 months ago | (#47655239)

As knives are essential to feed oneself, so equating them with different, singular-use weapons only reflects poorly on you, not those with whom you seem to disagree.

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (2)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47655643)

As civil liberties are not contingent on one's "need" to exercise them, I'm not sure what point you thought you were making here.

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47657883)

Civil liberties don't routinely extend to manufacturing devices specifically designed to kill other people and then handing them out to anyone who wants them without any questions being asked. Even devices with other uses but that are demonstrably dangerous to other people get limits placed on them to ensure people are competent (e.g., cars) before letting them loose in public spaces. There is no "right to drive", for example. You have to show that you have a *very*basic* level of competence.

The fact that you have a civil liberty does not give you carte blanche to exercise those rights anywhere and without any conditions, especially when in a public space you are sharing with other people. The standard "yelling 'fire!' in a crowded theatre" principle applies. That's why using a knife at home to cut up broccoli in the kitchen is no issue, but waving the same knife over your head in a shopping mall or city street might be. The expectations are set significantly higher for "designed to kill" devices for good reason.

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659769)

Fuck you. Have fun watching unconstitutional firearms restrictions get slapped down left and right by the new supreme court. :) DC is just the beginning...

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (1)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 2 months ago | (#47676821)

Civil liberties don't routinely extend to manufacturing devices specifically designed to kill other people and then handing them out to anyone who wants them without any questions being asked.

I'll bet you're one of those people who thinks hunters are cruel for killing animals, and that the only meat people should buy is what they "make" at the store, so no animals get hurt.

You know - a moron.

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47657283)

As knives are essential to feed oneself, so equating them with different, singular-use weapons only reflects poorly on you, not those with whom you seem to disagree.

We have spoons too! Soylent for everyone!!

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655245)

Interestingly enough; in not-completely-recent news, a chinese school kid snapped and started on a stabbing spree, wounding 10+ people. In a similiar school shooting spree on the other size the Pacific, 10+ people where not just wounded, but killed.

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47658133)

What is needed is more knife-control laws, or, as they're known in this country, "knife-safety" laws. It is self-evident that if the government were to take away everyone's knives, these kinds of incidents would cease.

As evidence of this, consider the strict knife open carry laws in the US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation. As a result, knife crimes remain extremely rare in the US. China should absolutely adopt that.

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659491)

... "knife-safety" laws ...

Australia banned guns in 1996. At the time there was an unlimited number of dickheads saying "criminals will be limited to knives". Which is exactly what happened; and the crime-rate rocketed upwards. Now politicians have levied severe punishment against knife-owners and bare-knuckled brawlers while crime-gangs still have guns. The police have targeted the crime-gangs with a lot of success and captured a lot of guns. But a gang has a lot more resources than a law-abiding citizen: Resources that can be leveraged to steal, smuggle or manufacture more guns.

... these kinds of incidents would cease.

"... It was a butter knife. You know what they say: You know, it's a gateway knife." - Mrs Griffiths, 'Easy A'

Re:Clearly this is the wrong approach (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659811)

Actually, some knives (specifically Bowies) have been outlawed or restricted in some southern states since the late 1830s - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowie_knife#Legal_status - for fear that they'd encourage dueling.

Well, you get what you vote for or submit to... (0)

TimSingleton1962 (3740475) | about 2 months ago | (#47655131)

It will be here soon, too. With all the people you have sucking off the government and other taxpayers while screaming for 'security' and a fair share, it will not be long before you have government enforced Eugenics against those who are gifted with Oppositional Defiant Disorder rather than those who were formerly labeled as retarded because their development was retarded due to genetics or environmental poisons. Not only do they want security and a fair share, they want you to admit publicly that you think they are right in living the way they live. F&^k the Constitution, I want my check even if you have to rob someone else to provide it. Communist/Progressive/Socialist/Liberal is just one big dog turd that stinks no matter by which end you hold it. Having executed more than 220 million of their own citizens -and no I am not including casualties of war or collateral damage in that number - I can only surmise that those who find themselves on the Left spectrum listed at the beginning of this paragraph have no more respect for humans with whom they disagree than a butcher does with a cow in the slaughter house. Interesting thing is we are not cattle and we can argue the point rather strenuously when it comes down to it. I see no way that it will avoid coming to that point because those who want to rule INTEND TO RULE NO MATTER WHAT. There is only one way, really, to deal with such insects. One positive take away is that those who vote for such things have to live their entire lives being ground under the boots of those for whom they voted.

Re:Well, you get what you vote for or submit to... (2)

Scottingham (2036128) | about 2 months ago | (#47655275)

You seem overly stressed, citizen.

Re:Well, you get what you vote for or submit to... (1)

BigDukeSix (832501) | about 2 months ago | (#47655311)

It is with 100% certainty already here. DARPA had a program ten years ago looking into this very concept. Google "darpa multispectral imaging face" and you will see a bunch of PDF reports.

Re:Well, you get what you vote for or submit to... (1)

Agares (1890982) | about 2 months ago | (#47655347)

Well said I wish I had mod points. Unfortunately I am sure you will get modded down for this one.

Because stress comes from nothing else... (1)

bradley13 (1118935) | about 2 months ago | (#47655189)

No one is ever stressed out, unless they are planning a terror attack. No job interviews, arguments with the spousal unit, kids run off, financial problems...

The only thing surprising is that this article isn't about something in the UK or the US. Probably that's where it will first be installed, so that more names can be added to the terrorist watch list.

Re:Because stress comes from nothing else... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655277)

Yes, so if you are having a bad day, it can be made much worse! And possibly future days as well...

This reminds me of North Korean where visitors had to put on a happy face or they were suspected of being journalists and breaking some strange edict.

couldnt this be fooled? (1)

BrianSoCal (1519721) | about 2 months ago | (#47655249)

Just thinking it through - if "terrorists" knew this stuff was in use, couldnt they train themselves to calm down and go into a low stress pre-murder state? I gotta imagine if you were serious about this, you would buy a similiar test system and run through it enough to see how to act to not be detected. Is this an accurate thought? Or would you always be flagged before a murderous rampage? Thinking false negative.

I dont see a problem (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655261)

They may have a real safety issue there. I dont know, this is not US or Europe.
This way the policy can concentrate the limited resources on possible treats - it's not like they will arrest you because you are stressed, but they may look at you for that. So what??

Did they grab* this idea from... (1)

ExXter (1361251) | about 2 months ago | (#47655353)

"PSYCHO-PASS" a japanese anime which actually succeeds to show the audience a possible future if this idea is truly realised.

Just my 2 Cents, but this idea is going to fail badly. - Just noticed...other individuals oscillate on my frequency.

Pre-Crime Social Dangerousness (1)

eric31415927 (861917) | about 2 months ago | (#47655377)

Stop the crime before it happens.
Someone should make a movie about this.

Crap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655389)

How long before my company implements this and issues a series of penalties for people who aren't stressed?????

Re:Crap. (1)

LduN (3754243) | about 2 months ago | (#47672663)

Makes me think of that scene from The IT Crowd about a 0-stress work place

Or you can take a shortcut (1)

mark-t (151149) | about 2 months ago | (#47655409)

And just throw everyone in jail who happens to be unemployed. That will save you a whole lot of time.

[/eyeroll]

100% USELESS against psychopaths (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655411)

As psychopaths have no bodily reactions to criminal or sadistic actions, whether they are about to commit them or thinking about committing them. In fact, fear has zero effect on a psychopath's behavior.

Reservoir Dogs (1)

captjc (453680) | about 2 months ago | (#47655509)

There is an easy test. Just play "Stuck In The Middle With You." If they pull out a razor and start dancing, they are obviously a Psychopath and you shoot the bastard before he takes off someone's ear.

Undoing Itself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655479)

Ironically, once it becomes widespread and routinely acted upon by local police forces, *everyone* in said public areas becomes more stressed about being accosted for being too stressed - at which point there are no longer anomalies to pick out. ;)

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655491)

all your emotion are belong to us

anxiety disorders (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655573)

They'll catch a lot of people with social anxiety or agoraphobia.

I can just see the convicts now. (1)

nimbius (983462) | about 2 months ago | (#47655585)

inmate: So youre the new guy. I got 15 years for murder. what did you do?
new guy: suspicion of terrorism at a train station. The cops said their new camera detected my enormous amount of stress.
inmate: thats gutsy. So, did ya pull it off? the terror attack?
new guy: if by terror attack you mean a taco bell breakfast, then yeah. Im sure theres a plumber and a janitor that are pretty terrorized by me.

Old tech (2)

penguinoid (724646) | about 2 months ago | (#47655605)

The US has had this for a while. It wasn't much news for us, because we have legitimate terrorist concerns (they killed almost as many people as peanuts did back in 2001!).

Re:Old tech (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about 2 months ago | (#47661329)

For a split second I was thinking this tech would be useful in schools to spot people about to go on a murder spree, but then I remembered that a school would have an ungodly false positive rate. It would be interesting to see if it would be of much use to find people who are being regularly bullied, spot those who are under constant stress in school and reach out to them to provide assistance, long before they go on a murder spree.

Women look out! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655747)

As a (50+) woman who is suffering extreme and frequent hot flashes, this is bad news.

Once we attain a certain age range things start changing and we experience insufferable “hot flashes”.
You can not begin to image how horrible life is with this. One second you’re OK, then without warning, FLAME ON! and you’re about to pass out.
It’s like someone actually hits you with a flame thrower. You can’t breathe, your skin BURNS like it’s on fire, like you have the worst sun burn of your life. The air around you becomes unbreathable and you really feel like you’re suffocating and you begin to panic. At the very least you need a high speed fan, RIGHT NOW.
But what you really need is to climb inside a walk in cooler and hold cold things against your face and forehead. This happens 4-5 times an hour, 24 hours a day and Antarctica is the only cure for it. On FLIR you look like an inferno. And those little handheld laser thermometers? One would think you’re about to die because they only measure surface temperature and not your core temp. It’s your surface temp that’s off the charts when this hits.

In airports having an episode will get you pulled out of line for questioning because you’re in obvious distress. Also where they have those thermal scanners looking for people with abnormal temperatures. And now this silly crap. Almost all women experience this to some degree (npi) at some point in their life.

I object to these scans that look for stress and temperature that is outside the standards set by the men that design and control these devices.
And transportation (airport/train/bus) “behavior scans” where you’re obviously a terrorist if you’re not cool as a cucumber, that’s rubbish.
It becomes harassment for some of us.

PSYCHO-PASS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47655905)

Won't be long until the UK steals this idea.

Knive are the problems. (0)

AndyKron (937105) | about 2 months ago | (#47655913)

Why aren't they doing anything to curb all the knives in China? I understand that knives don't kill people, people kill people, but if the people had less access to knives there would be less of this. Give them guns instead.

Re:Knive are the problems. (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about 2 months ago | (#47661337)

No, give EVERYONE knives, so that if you try to go on a knifing spree, there's a good chance that you are going to come up against an angry mob armed with knives.

In related news (1)

Sleeping Kirby (919817) | about 2 months ago | (#47656013)

All workers in the foxconn buildings have been arrested after the implementation of the stress cams.

"eight knife-wielding extremists" - LOL (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656127)

I think you meant "eight knife-wielding MUSLIMS" - why didn't you tell the truth? Why are you hiding the fact that they are almost always MUSLIMS?

"eight knife-wielding MEN" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47657215)

i think they meant "eight knife-wielding MEN", why didn't they tell the truth! they are almost always MEN!

or did they mean "eight knife-wielding PEOPLE WHO DRINK WATER"! those terrorists ALWAYS turn out to be filthy water-drinkers!!!

Re:"eight knife-wielding MEN" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659795)

May the pedophile mohammed, all his followers and their libtard enablers burn in hell forever. Amen.

uh-oh (1)

LduN (3754243) | about 2 months ago | (#47656411)

Hope they don't combine this with this [slashdot.org] , would make it pretty messy

psycho pass (1)

xcix (1591693) | about 2 months ago | (#47656563)

psycho pass anyone?

Re:psycho pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47659091)

minority report did it first

Catch 22 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47656939)

Looks like being out of shape & exercise just became illegal. If you're fat you're screwed, if you're skinny you'll soon be fat from the lack of exercise then you're right back at fat and screwed.

Useless system because of false positives (1)

m00sh (2538182) | about 2 months ago | (#47657443)

Any anti-terrorist system has the same problem. Even if this is 99% accurate, the amount of false positives would overwhelm the system.

Stressed Eric vs. Ren Hoek (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47657641)

Which one do you want running a muck.

Life has you stressed??? Get arrested!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47657821)

The perfect tool for American law enforcement. Now we can identify the stressed out, on the edge people in the crowd, send in body armored "officers" to accost and confront them, and when they inevitably question or resist, well.....you know how this story ends. We can now easily single out the ones that are most likely to argue or fight. Now we can really keep those prisons full. We're gonna need some way to fill'em since the drug war is losing popularity. Gotta have an excuse to keep all those cops on the payroll. So it might be you someday with your picture on tv and some bimbo telling your community how they should be glad they live in a police state, how they have just been "protected" from another violent criminal (you). Singled out just because you were having a bad day.

In china false positives are no problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47658927)

In china where their peoples rights take a last priority, any false positive for a system like this is actually a boon as an excuse for state thuggery 'to maintain control by intimidation' .
The work I did with face recognition software left me appalled at the continuous high failure rate.
I doubt that all the cameras they are installing will be each hooked to their own supercomputers to do any valid job of such assessment (if and when that software is developed)

No dioubt the UK will be announcing installation of equivalent systems shortly.

The CCP is very desperate these days. (1)

moneybabylon (2226376) | about 2 months ago | (#47659787)

The chinese communist party is on its last straw of survival, facing stress from all fronts:

1. external opposite forces from all other countries in the world.

2. internal pressure from all chinese places e.g. mainland, hong kong, taiwan, xinjiang, macau etc.

3. its own economy can no more develop from complete absence of law and common morals.

4. its supressed problems from the past all surfacing at the same time e.g. skyrocketing debts of all kinds everywhere, aging and gender-skewed demographics, complete absence of soft power, mass exodus of all able chinese with talents and money, complete absence of common morals in all chinese from brainwashing by the CCP etc etc.

I can imagine it now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47660253)

I can imagine it now: "My God! Everyone's a terrorist!"

Arrested for suffering constipation. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47663285)

That is all.

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