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Apple's Diversity Numbers: 70% Male, 55% White

Soulskill posted about a month ago | from the one-button-issue dept.

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An anonymous reader writes: Apple has released a diversity report on the genders and races of its employees. As is common in the tech industry, the majority of Apple's workforce is male — only three out of 10 employees around the globe are female. Broken down, males compose 65 percent of non-tech workers, 80 percent of tech workers, and 72 percent of Apple's leadership.

According to CEO Tim Cook, he's unhappy with Apple's diversity numbers and says Apple is working to improve them: "Apple is committed to transparency, which is why we are publishing statistics about the race and gender makeup of our company. Let me say up front: As CEO, I'm not satisfied with the numbers on this page. They're not new to us, and we've been working hard for quite some time to improve them. We are making progress, and we're committed to being as innovative in advancing diversity as we are in developing our products."

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Stupid (5, Insightful)

Scareduck (177470) | about a month ago | (#47660309)

Wow, so we have quotas for Apple employees.

How about if we have quotas for awesome products?

Be careful ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660317)

Wow, so we have quotas for Apple employees.

How about if we have quotas for awesome products?

They can accuse you of being HATEFUL !!

Re:Stupid (5, Insightful)

kbrannen (581293) | about a month ago | (#47660371)

Gotta agree that's stupid. First, you can only hire people that are available with the skills you're looking for. So if you don't have "diverse applicants", you'll never get "higher numbers".

Second, I hope he doesn't mean it, but it sounds like Cook want to be more diverse to look more politically correct. If I were a stock holder, I'd be upset. I wouldn't want him be "diverse" so he can look good; I'd want him to hire the best qualified people in a completely "blind" way. If that means 90% are male, or 80% white, or 85% female, or whatever the numbers work out to be because those were the best people to get the job done, then so be it. If the PC-crowd doesn't like it, then they need to encourage more minorities to get the required education and get qualified.

Re:Stupid (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660423)

If the PC-crowd doesn't like it, then they need to encourage more minorities to get the required education and get qualified.

Kudos for saying what needed to be said.

It's time that bullshit like hiring quotas based on sex, race, etc. are dumped for the
wasteful idiotic bullshit they are.

There is ONE thing that matters, and that is : who does the best work. If you don't think
this is true, ask yourself whether you'd rather have a semi-competent pilot flying your airliner
because the airline was forced to accept hiring quotas, or whether you'd rather have the
very best pilot available controlling the airliner on which you are a passenger.

.

Re: Stupid (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660753)

RACIST SEXIST NEANDERTHAL PIG! How dare you, breathe the same air as we Smart and Sophisticated (SS) people! When Hillary becomes President, we'll send you to totenkamp with your white trash buddy Bubba!

Re:Stupid (3, Interesting)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about a month ago | (#47660429)

it's clear that for a company of apple's wealth and reach, the solution isn't to hire diverse applicants, but to produce diverse applicants - invest in education opportunities, scholarships, other programs to bolster the pool of people.

Re:Stupid (3, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | about a month ago | (#47660537)

This could fix things. However the people who refuse to acknowledge that the problem even exists won't be the ones to implement the fix and will probably claim it's a waste of effort, or that it's quotas in the schools.

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660619)

Well if you're using quotas to solve things, you don't know stats very well (variation is *expected* and normal in any real population). If you're helping people to learn, I'm all for it.

Re:Stupid (5, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about a month ago | (#47660613)

In my average IT class, we started with 20% females and finished with about 5% females.

I.e. they dropped at a higher rate. Most were not obsessed with computers enough to excel.

That creates a challenging pool to hire from.

Perhaps if IT people were not expected to be as obsessed and asocial as they are, it wouldn't happen.

There were zero IT parties in 4 years of collage. Heck my DND club had at least a couple parties a year.

Re:Stupid (4, Interesting)

lisaparratt (752068) | about a month ago | (#47660751)

Or, another way of looking at it: they met their future colleagues, and bailed while the gettin' was good.

Re:Stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660513)

I'd want him to hire the best qualified people in a completely "blind" way.

Now that you mention it http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/A94/90/73G00/

Re:Stupid (3, Insightful)

electrosoccertux (874415) | about a month ago | (#47660549)

If I were a stock holder, I'd be upset. I wouldn't want him be "diverse" so he can look good; I'd want him to hire the best qualified people in a completely "blind" way. If that means 90% are male, or 80% white, or 85% female, or whatever the numbers work out to be because those were the best people to get the job done, then so be it.

until you catch negative PR blitz that feminists picket and blacks boycott, which the media loves to pick up because You're Apple

Re:Stupid (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about a month ago | (#47660555)

[...] I'd want him to hire the best qualified people in a completely "blind" way. If that means 90% are male, or 80% white, or 85% female, or whatever the numbers work out to be because those were the best people to get the job done, then so be it.

The decision has been made and the MBAs are happy to write up a proposal that justifies any corporate goal.

So if you say that you want a "blind" process, they'll come back at you with something about mixed gender and multi-racial/ethnic groups combining synergies to create explosive new innovations yadda yadda yadda.

In the long run, this can only be a good thing, as almost no changes involving women or minorities in the workforce have come about organically.
So this is as close to "organic" as a change gets, compared to the laws and lawsuits that have brought women and minorities to where they are today.

Re:Stupid (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660631)

Compared to eBay, It's Apple's numbers are pretty good. The thing you need to remember is that there is a geographical factor. People of Color are concentrated in the south. The farther North and West you go, the less African-Americans there are and the more Asians there are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg

But here is where I'm going to make a point that sounds racist, Canada's affirmative action tends to stop at government:
Hiring managers prefer their own race. Out here (Canada, Vancouver) if you are white, you can't get hired by any business that has East-Asians or East-Indians. In fact the lower the wage, the far more likely it is that the business is entirely East-Indian or East-Asian.

But that's OK, because that reflects the racial diversity of the area. I don't seriously expect white people to apply at the Asian grocery stores any more than I expect Asians to apply for french-bilingual jobs.

And this is why I think high-tech companies may be "brain damaging" themselves if they adhere to diversity to the letter of diversity rather than the spirit of it. If the government says you need to have 50% People of visible minorities because that's the diversity of the country means that people aren't being hired based on their experience or education. If you narrow it down to just the diversity of the county, then the Silicon Valley businesses are probably hiring entirely on who is available in their county.

Right now, African-Americans actually have an interesting advantage, because if they go through all the educational hoops, they are guaranteed a job ... as long as they move to Seattle or San Francisco. If they hang around New Orleans, Detroit or Chicago, there are going to be very few opportunities.

Re:Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660653)

its marketing, plain and simple.
might work out for them, im sure plenty of "under-represented" people will be applying for apple jobs now that they know they will get preferential hiring treatment

Re: Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660663)

So if you don't have "diverse applicants", you'll never get "higher numbers".

And then you learn that your application process isn't very diverse, and actually serves to make your pool less diverse. Because you know what? A blind process doesn't necessarily make for an equal one.

I think too many people see the statue of Justice and come to the wrong conclusion about the blindfold.

In other statistics (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660449)

30% peeved by what they assume must be sexism
70% irritated the CEO's just announced a commitment to tokenism and explicitly trying to boost the hiring of employees based on their genitalia.

Re:Stupid (1)

hedleyroos (817147) | about a month ago | (#47660735)

Apple must work on their diversity. All their products are white!

Apple is committed to transparency, (1)

coffecup (3032279) | about a month ago | (#47660319)

"Apple is committed to transparency" I've just snorted my coffee! Funniest comment of the day!

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660361)

Name another company who supplies this information and also has their suppliers audited to ensure no child labour etc.
Samsung doesn't
Toshiba doesn't
Amazon doesn't
Microsoft doesn't

so feel free to supply a list

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660385)

Oh i'm sorry is that horse not dead yet?
perhaps he wasn't referring to the one thing you seem to be sure he was referring too..

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about a month ago | (#47660433)

what are you talking about. don't be obtuse, have the balls to come out and say it.

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660491)

It's not fair to bash Microsoft. They were committed to transparency from 2007 to 2012.

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660583)

That is when they lost their mind then mobile market...

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (1)

fatp (1171151) | about a month ago | (#47660509)

He talked about iMac case nearly 20 years ago.

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about a month ago | (#47660535)

..and where does apple gets it's chips?

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660739)

Intel and TSMC

Re:Apple is committed to transparency, (1)

williamhb (758070) | about a month ago | (#47660435)

"Apple is committed to transparency"

The next iPhone's going to have a translucent backplate.

umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660321)

How many of them are gay?

Just saying...

Re:umm (0, Flamebait)

rogoshen1 (2922505) | about a month ago | (#47660397)

before, or after they start working there?

Re:umm (2)

righteousness (3421867) | about a month ago | (#47660609)

According to gay crowds, they were gay since birth, meaning that as soon as they were born, they were sexually attracted to other babies of the same sex.

Re:umm (1)

cheekyboy (598084) | about a month ago | (#47660469)

their logo is white now, not rainbow.....

That can't be right! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660329)

70% + 55% = 125%

I mean I may be stupid, but I can add numbers for christ's sake.

Re:That can't be right! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660355)

You're absolutely right.

You may be stupid.

Re:That can't be right! (1)

davester666 (731373) | about a month ago | (#47660493)

No "may" about it....

Now it's unfair.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660343)

So it's fine to directly say we will be "fixing" these numbers (intentionally hiring more foreign people over whites).

But it's horrible to say we want to hire more whites.

Only the white people can be discriminated against openly. Every other ethnicity is untouchable it seems.

Re:Now it's unfair.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660373)

welcome to north america,

Racism can only exist when white people are the antagonists and another race is the protagonist.

sexism though technically defined as prejudice based on sex, in practice means men are bad and somehow oppressing or harming women.

Re: Now it's unfair.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660603)

Poor discriminated whites, especially white males who make up most of Congress, most state legislators, most governors and more.

Why they must feel so persecuted in how they can easily get ahead in life so much more often than others. Why I even heard they let a black man in the NASCAR hall of fame for winning one race. Can you believe it? I can't either, the win must have been affirmative action.

Re: Now it's unfair.... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660639)

And this is why racism can only apply one way. if a white man feels persecuted he's definitely just a bigot angry about political decisions its not ever possible that sometimes,... white people, get treated badly by other people.. and even if that was true, fuck white people their parents parents did bad things. So lets take it out on the current generation, the ones that grew up taking the side of equality who truly believed racism belongs in the past.

So fuck you for implying its ok to be prejudice as long as the victim is a white person.

Why 'diversity'? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660357)

How does everyone accept this practice of establishing "diversity quotas"? To accept this is utterly insane.

It's a corrupt practice. For the sake of efficiency, jobs should go to the people that the management of a business believe to be the best. Asserting that 'diversity' must be increased implies that management discriminates against non-whites and/or non-males by criteria other than their talents and skills which are relevant to the business. There is no evidence that a 'diverse' work-place is more efficient than a homogenous work-place. Therefore seeking 'diversity' is illogical, and clearly intended for a purpose other than one of justice.

There is no possible argument for 'diversity' that does not contradict itself. It's an idea that was not designed to benefit working class people. It's an idea that was designed to weaken the communities that worked to create our way of life. It's idea purposed to destroy our way of life.

Re:Why 'diversity'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660465)

There is no evidence that a 'diverse' work-place is more efficient than a homogenous work-place.

Oh come on! Do a google search already!

Re:Why 'diversity'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660665)

When I've looked the evidence seemed inconclusive, with some reports indicating a less diverse (wrt gender, race) work place performs better.
The only thing everyone seem to agree on is that it is mixing people with different training is a win.

Re:Why 'diversity'? (5, Insightful)

maliqua (1316471) | about a month ago | (#47660651)

everyone doesn't.

It's just the new acceptable racism. It's the same as the old kinds of racism, socially accepted at the time.

I guess we just wait for history to decide if they're right or we're right.

Re:Why 'diversity'? (1)

maliqua (1316471) | about a month ago | (#47660657)

i fail at quote

was in reply to :

How does everyone accept this practice of establishing "diversity quotas"? To accept this is utterly insane.

Next, Samsung (2)

Spy Handler (822350) | about a month ago | (#47660359)

we demand that Samsung engineering department show us their diversity porfolio!

Signed,

NAACP, N.O.W., G.L.O.W.

Re:Next, Samsung (5, Funny)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | about a month ago | (#47660561)

we demand that Samsung engineering department show us their diversity porfolio!

Samsung is proud to report their diversity numbers:

45% Kim
38% Lee
7% Park
6% Choi
4% Other

Samsung strongly believes in promoting a diverse workforce. We currently have a company-wide mandate to raise our Park percentage to 11% by 2018.

Transgender? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660363)

Maybe Tim should lop his unit off to increase the transgender % in their leadership.

I'm an Apple, I am male (1)

jkrise (535370) | about a month ago | (#47660369)

I'm an Apple, I am female
I'm an Apple, I am white
I'm an Apple, I am black
I'm an Apple, I am brown
I'm an Apple, I am Hispanic .... .... ....
FUCK YOU ALL!! I AM STEVE JOBS, AND I AM APPLE!!

Re:I'm an Apple, I am male (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660389)

You're fired.

Re:I'm an Apple, I am male (1)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about a month ago | (#47660427)

I'm pretty sure he ultimately retired.

Re:I'm an Apple, I am male (3, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | about a month ago | (#47660647)

Say what you want, but Apple is the only company I know where all workers lost their Jobs and could still go to work the next day!

Remediating American's Victimization of Indians (5, Funny)

Baldrson (78598) | about a month ago | (#47660393)

Its good to see Apple recognizes America's history of victimizing Indians requires remediation by affirmative action favoring the hiring of Indians.

Re:Remediating American's Victimization of Indians (2)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about a month ago | (#47660455)

a lot of comments on this thread are stupid and bigoted, but this one is +1 funny. Jonathan stewart should use this. as a side note, I had a licensing problem with my MS Office (replaced hard drive, then needed to revalidate the programs). Holding my nose, I called the M$ 1-800 number. The experience was fantastic. after a single-level phone tree, the phone was answered on the second ring by a very nice man in india who answered all my questions. it turned out i had a technical problem rather than a licensing problem, so he connected me with another very nice indian man who solved my problem within 5 minutes. It was actually pretty cool.

The show 'Outsourced'... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660565)

Did a pretty good job of covering the why's of different quality tech support in India.

Much like China, Japan, and Korea, the caliber of service you get has been steadily increasing as the quantity of qualified employees has increased due to demand for call center services.

Re:Remediating American's Victimization of Indians (1)

righteousness (3421867) | about a month ago | (#47660623)

Wasn't it the British who colonised India? I didn't realise America also had a hand in it.

Cook needs to resign. Apple is going downhill fast (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660401)

Apple software has had SERIOUS problems since Cook has been minding the store.

Cook is not the right guy to lead Apple, and if Cook stays in his current position Apple
will continue the downward slide that intelligent long-time Apple users know has been
happening under Cook's so-called "leadership".

Talk about sending a boy to do a man's job ... Cook wouldn't know good design if it
bit him in the ass. I'm sure glad I haven't got much invested in Apple, because it's
heading for disaster as long as Cook is fucking around pretending to be a leader.

Re:Cook needs to resign. Apple is going downhill f (1)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about a month ago | (#47660473)

I'm sure glad I haven't got much invested in Apple, because it's heading for disaster as long as Cook is fucking around pretending to be a leader.

you are a very smart man! oh wait apple stock is up 80% since cook took over. i'm not saying the stock price is the most important thing, but I think it's a general barometer of the health of the company. when a stock is up 80% over 2 years there's an extraordinary burden of proof on your claim "heading for disaster".

Re:Cook needs to resign. Apple is going downhill f (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660545)

when a stock is up 80% over 2 years there's an extraordinary burden of proof on your claim "heading for disaster".

Stock price is NOT an indicator of anything except that a bunch of people
believed that the company is worth investing in, so they invested in it and
increased demand for the stock drove the price of the stock up.

If you were as smart as you imagine yourself to be, you'd know this is true
and you would not make asinine remarks which equate stock value to the
actual health of a company. But maybe you are a grade school age child, in which
case your apparent stupidity can be excused because you are young and naive lack
experience in the real world.

History is full of examples of exuberant stock buying which was followed by
a "correction" which caught some of the stock buyers with their pants down.

In any case, I don't think you have a future as an investment adviser.

.

Re:Cook needs to resign. Apple is going downhill f (1, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | about a month ago | (#47660643)

Apple is still coasting on Job's set up.

It has absolutely sucked at setting up new types of products in the pipeline in the eventual saturation of the tablet market (ok, people will keep on buying phones every 2 years... well until some markets savvy up and offer a discount for bringing in existing smartphones).

Ipod sales are going down since 2009, to be expected because of the iPhone, but now also because of android.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I... [wikipedia.org]

What happened to Apple TV since Steve died? Nothing. And it will remain nothing. Netflix and Amazon have that market tied up now.

Apple is going to wonder what happened to itself in 10 years, because I see Tim Cooke taking absolutely no chances unlike Steve. He's too conservative and too scared of fouling up but he also will never be able to hit it big. They'll keep churning out iPhones and that won't be enough for that much longer. Apple is the new Sony and it's days are numbered.

This is shameful. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660405)

Apple is a racist company unless they hire at LEAST 70 percent black. We are owed that much after what the whites did to us.

Re:This is shameful. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660589)

Apple is a racist company unless they hire at LEAST 70 percent black. We are owed that much after what the whites did to us.

The "we are owed something" mindset is one of the best ways for people to
give up on taking action to improve their own lives. Be careful what you wish
for, because welfare checks have kept your people down, when a struggle to survive
would have galvanized them to actually get off their asses and WORK to improve
their lives. Anyone who questions whether this is true or not needs only look
at what Mexicans have accomplished in the U.S. -- they didn't come here asking
for a welfare check, they just wanted a chance to work. Meanwhile a bunch of lazy blacks
want a handout because their great great great grandparents were slaves. Your "feel
sorry for us" schtick doesn't work on smart people, and if you were smart yourself you'd
know that a handout is the last thing your people need.

Re: This is shameful. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660717)

Hmm, then why do I keep hearing about the Hispanics coming to the US just to get welfare or whatever?

And why is the biggest pool of welfare recipients actually whites, not blacks?

But yeah, blacks have worked a lot on this country. For less pay. For less consideration. And with the threat of violence from whites hanging over their heads. And occasionally dropping like the sword of Damocles.

But OK, if deprivation makes people achieve more, let's put everybody in a trial for their lives. This will push everyone to be all they can be. No more inheritances, no more nannies and tutors. The Spartan method of parenting for all. All children raised in barracks under deprivation and abuse. And then we shall stand firm against the Persian Immortals.

Re: This is shameful. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660741)

Hmm, then why do I keep hearing about the Hispanics coming to the US just to get welfare or whatever?

Because the vast majority of american media seems to have a bias against Mexican workers, as a Canadian i'm often shocked by how Mexicans are vilified in the media

And why is the biggest pool of welfare recipients actually whites, not blacks?

80% of the people in the country are white, therefor its logical to assume they'd occupy the bulk of any sample of people

But yeah, blacks have worked a lot on this country. For less pay. For less consideration.

This was definitely true, perhaps it still is but i'm not their. seems statistically blacks are represented approximately by the same % of the population they occupy in most metrics.

And with the threat of violence from whites hanging over their heads. And occasionally dropping like the sword of Damocles

This sounds more like angry rhetoric than something you've actually experienced.

let's put everybody in a trial for their lives.

OK put them on trials for the lives they've led and the choices they have made. not that of their ancestors.

improve how? (1)

silfen (3720385) | about a month ago | (#47660413)

we’ve been working hard for quite some time to improve them

And what, specifically, does "improve" mean?

Re:improve how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660499)

More colors other than white, more sexes other than male.

Re:improve how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660629)

Really? White is actually underrepresented in those numbers.

more sexes other than male

And do you count gay men among these "too many males"? Or should only straight men get fired to make room for women?

Re:improve how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660577)

it means that in a country that is predominantly populated by white people, in an industry primarily dominated by males. They expect their stats should reflect differently like they're some form of inter racial gender agnostic utopia

It's easy to fix (5, Interesting)

msobkow (48369) | about a month ago | (#47660425)

Just break down all the employees into the smallest groups possible. Instead of "White" or "African", break it down to German, Swiss, Dutch, South African, Tanzanian, and so on. With everything down to a few dozen members per group, you'll have a nice flat diversity line. :P

Tim Cook is a white male... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660431)

and "diversity" is just getting rid of white males, so apple should fire Tim Cook???

Jobs to Cook: DFIU (3, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about a month ago | (#47660439)

>> CEO Tim Cook, he's unhappy with Apple's diversity numbers and says Apple is working to improve them

(Voice of Steve Jobs): Tim. Boobie. The secret of Apple is 50% product and 50% marketing, with minimal bullshit. Please don't fuck it up.

>> we're committed to being as innovative in advancing diversity as we are in developing our products.

(Voice of Steve Jobs): Ah shit. You fucked it up.

Re:Jobs to Cook: DFIU (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660713)

Prime opportunity for somebody to come in as a "consultant" to teach Cook how the reality distortion field works. Of course he won't teach him diddly. He'll just walk with 7 figures. It might not be put down in so many words, but watch for it. The hiring of "consultants" to fix these problems. These guys grease the skids into bankruptcy. They're sitting on such a huge pile of cash though, just like MSFT. They can probably be stupid for many years before it really matters.

Why should diversity matter for Apple? (1)

linearZ (710002) | about a month ago | (#47660441)

Diversity quotas, affirmative action, is about opportunity, not entitlement.

Apple doesn't give two shits about the color of the skin or gender of who it hires. Like every other tech company, Apple is looking to hire educated, motivated, and intelligent people. Unfortunately, there tends to be a racial bias on the "education" part of the equation... Blame our society for this, not Apple.

Re:Why should diversity matter for Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660637)

Affirmative action is about taxing the public at gunpoint to give opportunities to the "less fortunate". This starts with higher taxes, then proceeds to cancelling Boys Soccer Club for Girls AfterSchool Swim. Then when people complain you hire a straw man to funnel the money through so many accounts and hands that it virtually dissapears, you take more, because for the children, for the poor, for the welfare of society.

When everyone starts complaining about opportunity, you pit one group against the other, and tell them that other group really is the problem. You can't get a Job Whitey because of EEOC and H1B. You can't get a Job Blackey because the white man make sure black neighborhoods are dumb by not funding the schools and Racism. You can't get a job bumble bee (Asian) because nobody wants to work with some weak freak.

And so on.

Nobody notices real opportunities are drying up; 40 years ago you'd go to college for burger flipping money, now colleges are a 6-figure expense requiring a mandatory loan. All the while everyone chasing mammon, tolerance, and hippy idealism that will never work, resources are drying up, and real knowledge and understanding is being flushed in favor of conspicuous consumerism and lowest-common-bar educating. Nobody notices the spiraling debt because they can't do basic arithmetic, and even if they could, they would never, ever realize that all that debt, the printing of money, the monopolies creeping in, and so on pushes required margin on businesses through the roof. Want to start a business? Figure out how to make 30% margin on every sale. You'll be selling burgers made with barely rotten burger meat mixed with chicken left-overs and pork intestine, CO2 injected tomato's, Mexican lettuce, and chemically treated bread to produce a product so vile it can't even decompose.

And now we've got Bill Binney talking about "We're ready for what I call Pushbutton Totalitarianism".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPcyGxcZtoQ

So get it the fuck right. Affirmative Action has never been about opportunity, equality, tolerance, racism, or any of those things.

It's always been it's been scamming you out of house and home so a few business tycoons can feel secure about their future income.

99% Gay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660479)

1% Undeclared.

Why the backlash? (3, Interesting)

The Evil Atheist (2484676) | about a month ago | (#47660481)

How does this affect anyone here who is commenting negatively about this? Why are people taking it as a personal attack on their personal politics?

Re:Why the backlash? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660571)

Maybe because equal opportunities, not equal outcomes should be advanced?

Did you know colleges turn away many asian students because their quota is often overfilled?

You don't get individualism from continuing to treat people like groups. You just get more group mentality and people then keep grouping together to get the largest piece of pie they can.

But no sympathy for Foxconn workers? (0)

walterbyrd (182728) | about a month ago | (#47660483)

When working conditions are so bad that suicide is a better alternative, I would say that is a real problem.

Re:But no sympathy for Foxconn workers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660527)

Not only is the Foxconn worker suicide rate less than that of China in general, it's even less than the suicide rate in the U.S. Of course, this fact has been pointed out for years on this forum and since you're still harping about it, I can only assume you're trolling. Shame on me for even responding, I guess.

easy fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660487)

very easy to fix: hire a bunch of minority females.
diversity for the sake of diversity is easy, why dont all those obsessed with the idea just quit whining and do it? if it's even a problem at all -i'll bet that those black/hispanic/whatever females that are qualified to but not working at apple are working somewhere else.

Re:easy fix (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660519)

So for the cost of one hire they can improve two diversity numbers. You sir are brillant.

How can you hire what doesn't exist? (1)

knorthern knight (513660) | about a month ago | (#47660489)

What is the available hiring pool? According to to the National Center for Women and Information Technology http://www.ncwit.org/ [ncwit.org] in a PDF document http://www.ncwit.org/sites/def... [ncwit.org]

14% of 2010 Computer Science undergraduate degree recipients at major research universities were women. This compares with 37% in 1985. Why blame Apple?

Besides what qualities do women provide that men don't? Intuitive GUIs? Did you know that Melinda French (who later married Bill Gates) pushed "Microsoft Bob" into production, and that Julie Larson-Green pushed through both the MS Office Ribbon and the Windows 8 Metro interface?

Quick rule of thumb (5, Insightful)

nrasch (303043) | about a month ago | (#47660497)

I always apply a quick rule of thumb to these types of items: Replace the word diversity/female/minority/whatever with the words "single white Christian male." Then read the sentence again. Does it offend and/or sound bigoted? Would it make Al Sharpton snort milk out of his nose if he read it whilst eating breakfast cereal? If not great; probably a good idea. If so, then it's just as bad/racist/slanted as if the words really were replaced with "single white Christian male."

Ex: Single white Christian male's have a higher cancer rate in lower income communities. (Yep, no problem here.)

Ex: Apple needs to hire more single white Christian males. (Derp! Issues... Al's nose hurts now...)

Re:Quick rule of thumb (-1, Troll)

doctor woot (2779597) | about a month ago | (#47660707)

The statements are not analogous and, more often than not, require context anyway. Your cheap shot isn't clever.

Can we stop pretending tech cares about diversity (1)

phizi0n (1237812) | about a month ago | (#47660523)

If they really cared about diversity then tech companies wouldn't be asking workers to give up their entire social lives to work egregious hours. Young 20-30 year old men are often willing to go so far as to give up sleep but women and older workers want to be treated like people not machines.

Constantly surprised at the reactions (3, Interesting)

unimacs (597299) | about a month ago | (#47660525)

How often does a company REALLY hire the best possible person for the position? I'd say the chances are pretty slim. They may very well hire somebody who ends up being successful, but that's not the same as the best.

Usually the way it works is that the person that gets hired is the one that the hiring manager likes the most out of the people they've interviewed. The people that get interviewed are the ones that HR/hiring manager liked out of the pool of people that applied.

There may have been highly qualified people that were eliminated at any step. I've seen managers throw out resumes because the name wasn't "American sounding". That's a more blatant case. Some of the more subtle cases occur because there is a tendency to hire people like yourself.

For example, I was nearly turned down for a position because they wanted someone with a masters degree. Why? Because the people running the business unit and doing the hiring had MBAs, not because anything about the job required a masters.

I would venture that in many cases where a white male is hired into a technical position, there are equally or better qualified non-whites out there some place. To find them, you may have to look in different places, - cast a wider net. My point is that making an effort to have a more diverse workforce DOES NOT mean you have to settle for less qualified people.

On the other hand, there is a definite shortage of women CS and engineering grads. There are lots of complex reasons for this. But it's worse than it used to be, - which means it can be better than it is now. Companies like Apple are big enough to help make that happen, but not overnight.

Re:Constantly surprised at the reactions (2)

silfen (3720385) | about a month ago | (#47660669)

I would venture that in many cases where a white male is hired into a technical position, there are equally or better qualified non-whites out there some place.

There are many highly qualified non-whites, and they are getting hired. That's why whites are underrepresented in these statistics.

To find them, you may have to look in different places, - cast a wider net. My point is that making an effort to have a more diverse workforce DOES NOT mean you have to settle for less qualified people.

You're starting from the wrong assumption, namely that there is a shortage of jobs. But there is a shortage of qualified applicants. My company (and others as well) don't go out and hire the best candidate for a job, we hire every candidate that meets our requirements, regardless of race. I expect Apple, Facebook, and Google are doing the same. That's why our and their workforce is simply representative of the applicant pool. In order to change the demographics of their workforce, they'd have to reject qualified applicants solely based on race.

nothing to see here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660533)

I can't believe some of the comments on here. Is it really stupid not to see that there something wrong with your hiring when you're only getting one or two types of people in your workforce? Why is it such an obvious given that whites and Asians are the best this incredibly diverse country has to offer?

Re:nothing to see here (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about a month ago | (#47660667)

"Best" is debatable, but when only a certain group or certain groups of people apply for jobs, there is little that you can do against it as a company. If you want to take "affirmative action" here (or, less politically correct "play favoritism without regard of personal merit"), you'd have to start earlier. When black women don't study what the trade needs, one has to ask why instead of blaming companies for not hiring what doesn't exist.

Re:nothing to see here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660703)

well, apple has been hiring people for quite a few years and they seem to be rather successful. seems like there is nothing wrong with their current hiring practices unless you measure the company's success in racial tallies and not products and associated profits.

So what! (1)

defaria (741527) | about a month ago | (#47660557)

Why to people stupidly assume that the percentages in the population should represent the population of a subset?!? That's asinine! You don't see such outrage about the lack of men in the cosmology field....

Re:So what! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660635)

And I assume by "cosmology", you mean "cosmetology"?

55% White (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660607)

In a nation who's population is approximately 80% White...

If every company in the united states was only 55% white employees or less, then 25% of the countries population would be unemployed.

Re:55% White (1)

wonderboss (952111) | about a month ago | (#47660659)

What do they define as non-white?
Chinese?
Indian?
Pakistani?
Vietnamese?

125% (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660617)

Apple's Diversity Numbers: 70% Male, 55% White

Whoa - that's like 125%.

(This is sarcasm BTW)

Homophobia (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660673)

Apple will start considering quotas for feminists and blacks once these 2 groups stop being so homophobic, it's simple.
Why can't they leave the poor white homosexual males in Apple alone? They finally managed to get some success as of late in homosexual rights and now the bible humping/testosterone obsessed blacks and sexually insecure feminists are trying to ruin it for them because of jealousy and phobia.
It's childish and pathetic. Quotas. Hitler liked quotas a lot, as did Stalin and Mao, so that may explain some things.

How about some real number? (1, Interesting)

Nyder (754090) | about a month ago | (#47660685)

For example, how many of that 30% women makes the same as males doing the same job?

Same goes for the non white compared to the white workers.

Re:How about some real number? (5, Insightful)

0123456 (636235) | about a month ago | (#47660715)

Yawn.

If women really made less than men for doing the same job, why would any company ever hire men?

Oh, OK, the companies are EVIL, but they're also really stupid, right?

For a manufacturing company, Apple's spot on (1)

mbeckman (645148) | about a month ago | (#47660687)

According to the AFL/CIO's report "Women in the Professional and Technical Labor Force" [dpeaflcio.org] , in the manufacturing sector workers are 71% male, 29% female. Apple is a manufacturer, and as such has a range of employees in technical, clerical, and production categories that fit the manufacturing labor mix profile. So Apple's diversity is actually a tad better than the available workforce. You can't really "improve diversity" without affirmative-action-type job manipulation, which will lead to reduced productivity and innovation.

easy to fix !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660693)

"we need more h1-b visas.. and we'll give half those jobs to women"

("and we'll save even more money by paying them only half what an american male worker would demand, instead of seventy percent like male visa recipients. it's a 'win win' scenario.. a win for apple, and a win for apple shareholders")

What about my civil rights being white over Indian (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47660719)

Senator blasts Microsoft for hb1 push and firing 18000 workers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kedfVAbXNy0
and here is a petition to stop the hb1
http://www.petition2congress.com/7637/abolish-h1b-visa-program/

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