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Islamic State "Laptop of Doom" Hints At Plots Including Bubonic Plague

timothy posted about a month ago | from the theocrat's-cookbook dept.

Biotech 369

Foreign Policy has an in-depth look at the contents of a laptop reportedly seized this year in Syria from a stronghold of the organization now known as the Islamic State, and described as belonging to a Tunisian national ("Muhammed S."). The "hidden documents" folder of the machine, says the report, contained a vast number of documents, including ones describing and justifying biological weapons: The laptop's contents turn out to be a treasure trove of documents that provide ideological justifications for jihadi organizations -- and practical training on how to carry out the Islamic State's deadly campaigns. They include videos of Osama bin Laden, manuals on how to make bombs, instructions for stealing cars, and lessons on how to use disguises in order to avoid getting arrested while traveling from one jihadi hot spot to another. ... The information on the laptop makes clear that its owner is a Tunisian national named Muhammed S. who joined ISIS in Syria and who studied chemistry and physics at two universities in Tunisia's northeast. Even more disturbing is how he planned to use that education: The ISIS laptop contains a 19-page document in Arabic on how to develop biological weapons and how to weaponize the bubonic plague from infected animals. ... "The advantage of biological weapons is that they do not cost a lot of money, while the human casualties can be huge," the document states.

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tsa needs to protect us from this (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788101)

tsa should magnetically erase all laptops as they pass through security, out of an abundance of caution.

Re:tsa needs to protect us from this (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788143)

have you tried to magnetically erase a flash drive? good luck with that.

Re:tsa needs to protect us from this (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788247)

Oh yeah? How are they going to read the flash drive without a laptop, Mr Smarty Pants.

Re:tsa needs to protect us from this (-1, Flamebait)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | about a month ago | (#47788395)

COINTELPRO [wikipedia.org]

It's not just to fuck with darkies and commies any more.

tsa needs to protect us from this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788687)

Duct-tape your windows, bitches.

As someone said during the Bush era.

But is it reaslistic? (2, Insightful)

houstonbofh (602064) | about a month ago | (#47788119)

Is the "19-page document in Arabic on how to develop biological weapons" a viable plan, or wishfull thinking? Getting ahold if bubonic plague is not exactly easy. If it was ebola, that would be easier...

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

donaldm (919619) | about a month ago | (#47788193)

The problem with biological weapons is that unless you make sure all your so called friends are immunised or leave they are also going to among the casualties. Usually large scale immunisation or exoduses are pretty noticeable especially if that immunisation is for diseases that are really unusual. However terrorists normally don't care for other people other than themselves so if they use biological weapons you can expect casualties on all sides.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (3, Funny)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about a month ago | (#47788675)

The problem with biological weapons is that unless you make sure all your so called friends are immunised or leave...

I just had this vision of a surrealistic scene...
It was like I just woke up in a Family Guy Episode...

Asshat (that looks like Quagmire): Dude, come on! We are gonna go see this babe that has an uncle that will let her show us her ankles!
Peter: No, I told my Dad I'd study weaponizing virulent pathogens tonight...
Asshat: Oh Man, this chick has eyes that go all the way down to her veil! Hey, if you don't want a look, it's your loss!
Peter (sotto voce): Dude, you are SO not getting inoculated!

Damn You Peter Löwenbräu Griffin!

Re:But is it reaslistic? (4, Insightful)

SylvesterTheCat (321686) | about a month ago | (#47788713)

The problem with biological weapons is that unless you make sure all your so called friends are immunised or leave they are also going to among the casualties.

Do you really think they see that as a problem?

Re: But is it reaslistic? (5, Informative)

mc6809e (214243) | about a month ago | (#47788221)

The plague exists in the wild in many western states of the USA.

Colorado just had four cases in the past few months.

Re: But is it reaslistic? (4, Insightful)

rahvin112 (446269) | about a month ago | (#47788499)

Yea and it's not the middle ages either and there are no strains of plague that are anti-biotic resistant. The only Bacteria that are scary are anti-biotic resistant ones, all the rest can be cured with a dose of anti-biotic. That's why people with the real knowledge don't research bio-weapons from bacteria, they use viruses that have no effective treatment option.

This sounds like some rank amateur typing up a letter that says "we could do X" where X is some fanciful attack. What I see here is groups like the CIA playing this up as a fund raising drive even if the "plan" is stupidly simple and not even viable. This in fact sounds a lot like the yellow cake uranium crap they pushed into the media.

People need to stop falling for this BS.

Re: But is it reaslistic? (2)

Noah Haders (3621429) | about a month ago | (#47788549)

+1 propaganda. that's all this is. we better amend the patriot act to give CIA power to stop these underground bioterrorists!

Re: But is it reaslistic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788585)

Yeah, I guess holding up a 'vial of anthrax' just wont cut it any more.

Re: But is it reaslistic? (2, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a month ago | (#47788807)

Yea and it's not the middle ages either

Those Islamic folks seems to think it's the Middle Ages . . . or they would like to bring the people under their control back to the Middle Ages.

Ah, the Middle East: God's Monkey House

Re: But is it reaslistic? (5, Informative)

khallow (566160) | about a month ago | (#47788841)

Yea and it's not the middle ages either and there are no strains of plague that are anti-biotic resistant. The only Bacteria that are scary are anti-biotic resistant ones, all the rest can be cured with a dose of anti-biotic. That's why people with the real knowledge don't research bio-weapons from bacteria, they use viruses that have no effective treatment option.

OTOH, it's far easier to cultivate bacteria than viruses. For example, Yersinia pestis, the bacteria that causes bubonic plague can be grown in a modified agar gel [nih.gov] with no need for host cells of any kind. And it's pretty easy to breed in resistance to anti-biotics by exposing the bacteria over many generations to all the anti-biotics in use at doses where a small part of the colony survives.

Whether that can be done over a short enough time that interests an organization like ISIS, is unknown to me. But it wouldn't take much effort IMHO to make a bubonic plague variant that is at least highly resistant to anti-biotics. Making it also highly infectious and lethal is another problem. That might require substantially more testing and breeding of the bacteria in host animals like rats or mice or something closer to us, like monkeys or people themselves.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788269)

Maybe you should learn some things. The Plague occurs in the US. There are animals like rabbits and the like that can be found infected with plague. It is not a real issue to people in the US for a number of reasons. 1. We don't regularly play with wild jack rabbits. 2. We tend to wash our selves and clothes more and are generally cleaner than we were in the middle ages. 3. We have antibiotics.

You will not find any Ebola in the US outside of highly secured research facilities.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | about a month ago | (#47788497)

3. We have antibiotics.

FTFY: We have antibiotics that we have rendered useless because we have fed them to cows to make them bigger which we then eat and so any germ we might encounter may already have evolved defences from said antibiotic.

FWIW, there are a lot of animals that can carry plague, not just rabbits (I know you implied that). But people don't know that most rodents in North America can carry it including squirrels, prairie dogs, rats, etc etc etc. And people still die from it occasionally.

More like the "Laptop of Muwhahhahahahaha..." (1)

jpellino (202698) | about a month ago | (#47788747)

Yes, people occasionally die of it, but for this or any jihadist to think Y. pestis is an effective way to wipe unbelievers from the earth is naive. The range of antibiotics that take care of it is pretty readily available, and the "plague" bacteria are not currently "medically resistant" to them. "When the microbe is injected in small mice, the symptoms of the disease should start to appear within 24 hours," is hardly rigorous clinical testing. You'd learn more about how to properly culture bacteria from any academic microbiology lab manual. "Use small grenades with the virus, and throw them in closed areas like metros, soccer stadiums, or entertainment centers ... Best to do it next to the air-conditioning. It also can be used during suicide operations." Means they're spitballing this stuff. This is no more instructive than watching a half season of "24".

Re:More like the "Laptop of Muwhahhahahahaha..." (1)

bargainsale (1038112) | about a month ago | (#47788819)

It's not very clear from TFA, but if "virus" is supposed to refer to plague, the hopeful jihadist seems lacking in even basic microbiological knowledge. I don't think I'll start panicking just yet.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788625)

Serious question, as I live somewhere with free healthcare at the point of service (not "free healthcare", as some people call it): what happens if you can't afford antibiotics?

Re: But is it reaslistic? (1)

Bartles (1198017) | about a month ago | (#47788719)

In the US you get treated anyway, because the law requires it. Also, if you can't afford antibiotics you are eligible for medicaid. If you haven't enrolled and haven't been forcibly enrolled, its your own fault.

Re: But is it reaslistic? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788759)

In the US you get treated anyway, because the law requires it. Also, if you can't afford antibiotics you are eligible for medicaid. If you haven't enrolled and haven't been forcibly enrolled, its your own fault.

Not only what you said, but most antibiotics are trivially inexpensive. For example, at Publix grocery store pharmacies the common antibiotics are free:
Amoxicillin
Ampicillin
Sulfamethoxazole/Trimethoprim (SMZ-TMP)
Ciprofloxacin (excluding Ciprofloxacin XR)
Penicillin VK

There are some expensive ones. If you are very sick, then you're going to be in the hospital, and the cost of the antibiotics is the least of your financial problem.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about a month ago | (#47788645)

I guess I should have said weaponed or actually dangerous plague, as opposed to the stuff we see in the ERs from time to time that does not even make the news...

Re: But is it reaslistic? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788271)

Ebola isn't realistic either. You'd get more results with empty glass vials and a written "Deadly Ebola" label in a few dozen big malls.

The widespread panic would have the same effect for much less cost.

Re: But is it reaslistic? (4, Funny)

Smallpond (221300) | about a month ago | (#47788325)

The well-known terrorist organization Aqua Teen Hunger Force shut down the city of Boston in 2007 with just some boards with blinky lights. [wikipedia.org]

Re: But is it reaslistic? (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | about a month ago | (#47788657)

Ebola isn't realistic either. You'd get more results with empty glass vials and a written "Deadly Ebola" label in a few dozen big malls.

The widespread panic would have the same effect for much less cost.

Considering that the goal of a terrorist is to spread terror, having a documented case of getting ebola could be very effective. http://www.nydailynews.com/new... [nydailynews.com] Oh, wait...

Re: But is it reaslistic? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788733)

No, the means of a terrorist is to spread terror, the goal is something else.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

jrmcferren (935335) | about a month ago | (#47788281)

They make money by the Fuckton, give them enough time and they can buy nukes.

Oddities (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788815)

Isn't it interesting that we can shut down bank accounts in all other occasions, except for this ISIL thing. For some reason we can not freeze their assets or stop money transfers...

use your head a bit, it will make sense.

Re: But is it reaslistic? (1)

bugnuts (94678) | about a month ago | (#47788455)

Plague is easily treated today. It's just a bacterium, and it doesn't even spread from person to person without blood exchange. That's like one of the dumbest things I've heard, only interesting because plague once killed many people.

I'd be far more worried about smallpox, an easily created virus that has few people immunized these days.

Re: But is it reaslistic? (1)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | about a month ago | (#47788795)

Smallpox is not "easily created".

Re:But is it reaslistic? (4, Interesting)

Copid (137416) | about a month ago | (#47788461)

I'd be a little more inclined to believe that the person who wrote the document was a real expert if there had been a known case of these guys actually producing a biological weapon. This sounds a whole lot more like people who have never built a biological weapon teaching other people who have never built a biologial weapon how to build a biological weapon. Lots of thought experiments being put on paper as instructions as if they were tried and true methods.

I can do a write up for how to build a nuclear bomb for my terrorist brothers based on my rudimentary undergraduate physics education, but there's no way in hell those instructions would actually produce anything useful.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | about a month ago | (#47788513)

Yes, it's always better to be prepared after something very bad happens. Let's just ignore it for now.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (4, Insightful)

Copid (137416) | about a month ago | (#47788587)

There's a difference between "being prepared" and "Oh, shit, let's panic!" When this stuff comes up, the public reaction is usually the latter. These guys aspire to all sorts of stuff and if even half of it were realistic they would have taken over the world by now. The reality is that their resources and competence don't match their aspirations and our policy responses should take that into consideration. Some nutbar in a cave announcing his intention to get hold of a hydrogen bomb and blow us all to hell should cause us to spot check the security of the known hydrogen bomb storage sites. It shouldn't cause us to start digging billion dollar fallout shelters under every major city or grounding airplanes whenever somebody uses the word "hydrogen."

Re:But is it reaslistic? (2, Insightful)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | about a month ago | (#47788665)

I'm not saying panic either. But I wouldn't blow them off. I would think that the biggest barrier they have is access to the equipment and materials to build what they want. They number in the tens of thousands at least, and we keep hearing how many were engineering grads or university students. They can't all be stupid. But sure another roadblock they will have are the throngs of stupid people they have lumped themselves in with. The thing is for biological warfare they don't even need weapons systems. They'll just infect a few hundred 'martyrs' and put them on a plane somewhere. Pneumonic plague (black death) doesn't need physical contact.

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

Copid (137416) | about a month ago | (#47788773)

So the question is, what are the policy implications? As far as I can tell, we're about as well prepared for a plague as we can reasonably be short of massive expenditure on serious emergency programs. We could go as far as buying everybody NBC suits, but that seems like it's way out of proportion.

We have a robust medical system with good antibiotics that's reasonably good at containing outbreaks knowledge of how to treat the plague, so what's next, and are the cost of that next thing justifiable given the real probability of a serious attack? If we put serious effort into defending against every conceivable tail risk that crazy people introduce, they could bankrupt us just by releasing Tom Clancy style whitepapers and never actually have to do a thing.

Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788851)

The biggest barrier is not just access to the equipment and materials. The most complex parts of a Nuclear/Chemical/Biological weapons plan is in the A) Delivery mechanism and B) Safe storage and transport.

If they only developed the weapon, they would all be dead trying to handle it and store the materials. Delivery mechanisms are extremely expensive and incredibly complex. So they make a jug of Anthrax, do they carry it on to a plane? How do they infect people with it, drink and spit? If they can smuggle in a jug of bioweapon juice, then the TSA/DHS/ATF all failed miserably (not the first time) and we need to revamp these agencies. Like stop trying to fondle old people and children and actually look for dangerous stuff...

Re:But is it reaslistic? (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | about a month ago | (#47788525)

Not so much...
The South West of the US has it's share, and given the rains of this year it may be worse.
http://www.arizonaedventures.com/things-to-see-do/arizona-top-ten/scary-arizona/ [arizonaedventures.com]
I can remember seeing warnings in the local paper as well as hunters advisories.
Google it...

Hidden Files section? (3, Insightful)

ShaunC (203807) | about a month ago | (#47788165)

Buried in the "hidden files" section of the computer were 146 gigabytes of material, containing a total of 35,347 files in 2,367 folders.

WTF is the "hidden files" section of a computer? From their screenshot, it appears the guy just made a directory called "Videoooooo" and stuffed it full of New Folder, New Folder 2, Copy (3) of New Folder, etc. My cat can hide stuff better than that.

Most of the things they're describing are absolutely nothing to worry about. Instructions for stealing cars? How to use disguises? This is the kind of shit that was all over every BBS file door 20 years ago. You can download torrents chock full of gigs of this "extremist literature" or "terrorist training materials" now. ISIS are surely a bunch of cunts and I imagine they do pose some threat, but the value of this laptop and its contents is highly exaggerated.

Re:Hidden Files section? (2)

Sperbels (1008585) | about a month ago | (#47788289)

Funny, I keep more porn in the same spot.

Re:Hidden Files section? (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | about a month ago | (#47788777)

Mine's in the "stuff" directory.

Re:Hidden Files section? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788339)

My cat can hide stuff better than that.

I bet your cat would be better at spreading plague as well.

Re:Hidden Files section? (3, Informative)

sumdumass (711423) | about a month ago | (#47788373)

You can hide folders and files in most operating systems, It's generally a file attribute you set either through a command line argument or the properties dialog in the US.

There have been a couple root-kits that used special characters enveloping the file or folder name which would hide it from the OS and anyone using the OS to look for it. I'm betting it is just the attribute in this case.

Re:Hidden Files section? (3, Insightful)

MrL0G1C (867445) | about a month ago | (#47788425)

No no no, the US and UK have elections coming up and want to shit on your civil liberties again and look tough whilst doing it.

Security Security Security TERRORISTS

Please be sufficiently terrified and not notice it's a sham caused by western meddling in the 1st place.

Re:Hidden Files section? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788459)

This hidden-directory thing makes me think of all the toys that were advertised as having some kind of secret hiding place. Too bad these people aren't playing with toys.

... except that they are playing us like toys.

Alah Ackbar! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788595)

You call cunts us! We find you and make interweb picture show of lopping head!

Death to america? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788185)

I miss madtv!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VbPCmXc_91Q&list=PLkiaE7F5sV7sjU3k6xBcvlMQHTcaRTRJp

Re:Death to america? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788311)

Do they really mean death too all America?
South America too?
Don't they really mean death to the United States?

Re:Death to america? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788429)

Do they really mean death too all America?
South America too?
Don't they really mean death to the United States?

yes

Extremist (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788201)

White, anti-government groups are realistically, much more of a threat.
It'll be fine.

Re: Extremist (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788249)

What about black anti-government groups?

There were black panthers openly calling for the death of officer Wilson in Ferguson just a couple weeks ago.

And black Muslims from Minnesota went to Syria to fight with Isis.

Re:Extremist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788695)

I believe the aforementioned subject(s) match you stated parameters.

Self-Inflicted Damage (1, Insightful)

wispoftow (653759) | about a month ago | (#47788203)

NB. I can't believe that I am responding to this submision, but here I go.

I can guarantee that whatever disease was launched would make its way back to the population that ISIS purports to represent. I predict that its consequences would eventually be more devastating in the generally-poorer populations.

It seems there is a reason that chemical/biological warfare didn't make it much farther than the first world war -- for the simple reason that the "wind" changes direction.

I think Shylock said it best: "cut me, and do I not bleed?" We're all humans, and we need to cut this crap out.

Re:Self-Inflicted Damage (4, Insightful)

alantus (882150) | about a month ago | (#47788401)

Just recently Israel was fighting against Hamas, who was launching rockets while hiding behind civilians that they were purporting to represent. They really don't care about the people they "represent".

Suicide terrorists are glad to blow themselves up if they take a few infidel's lives with them. They believe they get rewarded with a number of virgins in heaven.

El Che Guevara is hailed as a hero for dying for his cause, even when he was directly responsible for the killing and misery of so many, especially his own people. You can buy one of "Che" iconic t-shirts almost anywhere, they sell like hotcakes.

Re:Self-Inflicted Damage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788631)

Hamas is known to do this, and has been known to do this, and yet it still was democratically elected, and enjoys popular support in the Gaza.

Time to educate yourself (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788749)

Why not actually gain some knowledge and find out why the Gaza strip is called the worlds largest prison. Israel has blockaded the strip for decades stopping entry of food and medicine, and is surely not innocent in escalating violence. Violence is never a good answer, but more often than not is a two way street. If you don't look both ways you may get hit by a car.

Re:Self-Inflicted Damage (5, Insightful)

sl149q (1537343) | about a month ago | (#47788561)

Yes, it probably would reflect back to their own population.

a) they don't care
b) they would blame it on the US
c) they would blame it on the Israelis
e) they would call them martyrs
f) they don't care

Re:Self-Inflicted Damage (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about a month ago | (#47788779)

In other words, the IS should really be re-labeled as the Honey Badgers of Religion, or HoBeR.

Re:Self-Inflicted Damage (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about a month ago | (#47788641)

I can guarantee that whatever disease was launched would make its way back to the population that ISIS purports to represent.

And? This isn't a problem for them.

Re:Self-Inflicted Damage (1, Informative)

retroworks (652802) | about a month ago | (#47788689)

It's called "Blow-back" and mod parent up.

Re:Self-Inflicted Damage (2)

cavreader (1903280) | about a month ago | (#47788739)

Your assuming that IS actually gives a shit about killing their own people. And the people funding that pack of serial killers doesn't live any where near the battle field so no matter what happens they are pretty safe sitting in their 5 star hotels in Qatar and Kuwait. If the so called Arab leaders were not such a pathetic bunch of morally bankrupt , incompetent, greedy, and cowardly pussies they could have prevented IS from ever getting started in the first place.

Here's hoping nobody seizes my laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788205)

Some Tor .onions have gigabytes of documents and manuals like this one. Just the (publicly available on P2P) terrorism / bombing / chemistry / etc folders of "Everything You Need To Know Ever" are scarrier than TFA. Finding those on some potential terrorist's laptop doesn't mean that they can or will actually use it.

Know thy enemy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788727)

I wouldn't read anything into people having those documents. The first step to knowing how to defeat something is to know how it works. Same reason you see locksmiths get into thievery or thieves go legit as locksmiths (or pen testers, or dozens of other illegal to legal profession changes.) Hell Wyatt Earp was a two bit thug before he became a famous sheriff.

Point being: The time at which you should worry isn't when they have literature that could provide knowledge of dangerous things, but rather when they take actions that combined with that knowledge could lead to deaths. A large load of fertilizer, for instance.

so just how affriad should I be (4, Insightful)

0xdeaddead (797696) | about a month ago | (#47788219)

Im somewhere between 0 and 0.
really? hidden documents?

big whoop.

But I know a scared population is an easy to control one.

Re:so just how affriad should I be (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788255)

9/11 was a long time ago, you gotta refresh the effect on the sheep, a laptop of dubious origin is easy to fake :)

Who the fuck keeps sensitive data on a fucking laptop anyway?

Re:so just how affriad should I be (2)

theshowmecanuck (703852) | about a month ago | (#47788617)

These aren't security experts FFS. Personally I wouldn't stop my life over this, but it is good to understand what some of them have in mind, and keep an eye on it.

Remember these guys are predisposed to killing themselves for the cause. We have to watch for things like getting themselves infected and travelling somewhere before symptoms show. They could weaponize themselves. As an example, look at how Ebola went to Nigeria and now some student sneaking into Senegal. Imagine if it was a whole bunch of nuts doing it on purpose. It's not something to just dismiss. Even if it didn't kill thousands, the panic caused in the general population who thanks to modern news organizations have no ability to filter or prioritize what they need to panic over. And western nations are too politically correct or have too much economic interest to test people at the borders or airports.

I'm not going to get bent about the whole thing, we should have already guessed guys like this have been trying to dream up ideas for years. But it shouldn't be discounted out of hand.

These people are walking a right rope (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788233)

Like it or not the West has been known to simply destroy everything that threatens its way of life. Sadly pushed too far I fear global powers will simply level the Middle East.

The horror! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788235)

I can't imagine USA engineers designing and creating weapons of mass destruction. How could these bastards! I mean, education is always for good things, right? right?

Re:The horror! (1)

Lord Apathy (584315) | about a month ago | (#47788341)

Agree'ed. It might be time for someone to test a few nuclear weapons. Time to remind the crazies out there there is some out there bigger than you and possibly a little more crazy.

Re:The horror! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788347)

What's a USA engineer? Have you looked in a grad school lately?

2X Generation ***Hole Conversion Rule (4, Insightful)

retroworks (652802) | about a month ago | (#47788309)

This will last about a generation, and a lot of damage is to be expected. There will be soft targets hit. It will last approximately until the Gen2 kids of the Jihadists realize " Dad was an ASSHOLE ". Nazis, Japanese, USA vs. Mexico/Indians... it usually self corrects if Dad gets paddled. Gen2 (or G3) Kids can grow up to be different kinds of assholes (USA no doubt has several generations, I admit) but it's usually an altogether different kind of asshole than grandpa was. Anarchists of 100 years ago did proportionately about the same amount of "terror" as Al Qaeda /Jihad. But shooting world leaders and blowing up post offices didn't impress the kids who grew up with it and realized the anarchists were just assholes.

If Dad succeeds and gets rich, history shows, all bets are off. Successful assholes breed. Letting dictators rule for several years just gives latent asshole syndrome. So let the assholes get what's coming to them, because the more successful they are, the more we'll elect people to drop bombs on them.

Re:2X Generation ***Hole Conversion Rule (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788433)

Anarchists in America did negligible damage as in next to none. Your entire rule sounds like it was put forth by a radio dj didn't know shit except what sounds good.

Re:2X Generation ***Hole Conversion Rule (1)

phantomfive (622387) | about a month ago | (#47788489)

The asshole narrative of history.......I'm not sure I've ever seen that one before.

Re:2X Generation ***Hole Conversion Rule (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788655)

They don't let their kids grow up. They send them in a suicide bombers and use their enslaved wives to make more.

Re:2X Generation ***Hole Conversion Rule (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788683)

Right. Within a generation or two, everybody sees the errors of their ways and comes to the American point of view.

Not so sure (5, Interesting)

Andurian (1162629) | about a month ago | (#47788343)

I'm anything but a conspiracy nut. I think we landed on the moon, that Oswald shot Kennedy, and that Icke is a con man. But the timing on this is seriously convenient. We want to attack ISIS, and *poof*, evidence suddenly shows up that ISIS has weapons of mass destruction. It's enough to make me consider making tinfoil hats.

Re:Not so sure (2)

goruka (1721094) | about a month ago | (#47788813)

Not only that, a guy is decapitated by a british speaking terrorist. The timing was just too good, specially because it helped to move the public opinion away from Israel/Gaza. Coincidentally, the moment Hamas stopped getting press they basically surrendered.

distinguishing between good and bad muslims (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788349)

It is very hard to distinguish between good and bad muslims. In the process, any war on extremists muslims results into heavy amount collateral damage. Good muslims have to learn this and must try their best effort to root out extremists. Unfortunately, we don't see much action on the part of muslim nations at all. Have you seen UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Sultanate of Oman, Brunei etc which are relatively rich and stable country doing anything at all to get rid of extremists? Instead many of these are funding creation of low quality mosques and madrassas which are only churning out even more extremists. I wonder why we see no reformists at all in muslim countries with significant power and influence to make any difference. The last one was perhaps Kamal Ataturk.

Hate to mod an AC (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788765)

Interesting point, so gave a member point to you.. next time log in?

Re:distinguishing between good and bad muslims (1)

bargainsale (1038112) | about a month ago | (#47788849)

It's not hard at all. I suspect you don't actually know any Muslims. Hint: that nice neurosurgeon in your local hospital - she's good. That bastard killing other Muslims in Iraq - bad.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788351)

The recent case of that plague were actually tests, isn't it.

Oh yeah?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788355)

Well the crusades...blah...blah..blah...

These guys need to be swatted hard (2)

riverat1 (1048260) | about a month ago | (#47788359)

I'm usually a pretty live and let live kind of guy but IS/ISIL/ISIS need to be treated like they're treating the people who don't agree with them, with no mercy. That is come down on them like a ton of bricks.

Yup - the story is doing its job (4, Insightful)

Bruce66423 (1678196) | about a month ago | (#47788405)

I remain conflicted; as a moderately competent STEM educated person, I am aware of any number of ways of reducing Western cities to chaos without a lot of effort and no risk. Yet our jihadi brethren never succeed in pulling it off. 7/7 in London and the Boston bombing seem to have been independent efforts, not carried out by people in the jihadi chain of command. Which leads me to suspect a lot of the hype is FUD by our government, or at least its security agencies, to milk the situation for as much as possible. OTOH it is totally clear that IS and HAMAS are committed to doing very nasty things to anyone who gets in their way. Something weird is going on; I look forward to discovering the truth, but I have nasty suspicion we won't.

Re:Yup - the story is doing its job (3, Insightful)

Dutch Gun (899105) | about a month ago | (#47788521)

Jihadists succeeded in a pretty big way with the 9/11 attacks. I fail to see why another group wouldn't be capable of doing something of that magnitude again, given some proper funding and competent planning. It seems illogical to conclude that there isn't a real threat against western targets after we've seen those and other attacks.

I'm not saying we should panic, overreact, or (in the case of the NSA) overreach, but I think some vigilance is surely warranted.

Levenshtein Distance (0)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about a month ago | (#47788367)

Is the diff between
Black Death by way of Obama
and
Black Death by way of Osama
None, or Undefined
when dead?

Go for it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788457)

If history is any evidence, they will likely end up killing vastly more of themselves than their target.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC2BjCFtPaw

Looking for a real conversation (4, Interesting)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a month ago | (#47788533)

This may come across as a troll, but I promise it's not. I'm looking for a genuine discussion on something.

From the small amount of reading I've done, it seems that the Koran is pretty clear: Islam requires non-Muslims to convert or pay tax or be killed:

http://infidelsarecool.com/200... [infidelsarecool.com]

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religio... [vexen.co.uk]

So it seems to me like all fully observant Muslims are required to engage in, or at least approve of, this behavior.

If that's true, then:

(1) Why do so many Muslims renounce such violence? Is it that they can't stomach what appears to be this straight-forward interpretation of the Koran?

(2) If there is some alternative, justifiable interpretation of the Koran, why aren't governments fighting that propaganda war? Does the fact that they're not doing so indicate that no such justifiable interpretation exist?

Re:Looking for a real conversation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788579)

From the small amount of reading I've done

Therein lies your problem.

Re:Looking for a real conversation (1)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | about a month ago | (#47788627)

From the small amount of reading I've done

Therein lies your problem.

Oh thank goodness! I assume then that you can point me at something to read which answers my question?

Tax evasion (1)

tepples (727027) | about a month ago | (#47788743)

Islam requires non-Muslims to convert or pay tax

Non-Muslims have to pay tax (jizya). Muslims have to pay tax too; it just goes by a different name (zakat). Which non-failed state doesn't enforce laws against tax evasion?

Re:Looking for a real conversation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788793)

Most religions don't take their doctrine as fact IMO. Not to mention that Mohammad preached living in peace with Christians and other religions. I don't think there is a single answer to your question, these things are complicated. This isn't isolated to the quran.

Obamas Middle East Strategy (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month ago | (#47788541)

Obamas Middle East Strategy: Give both sides weapons and watch them kill themselves.

Not a bad plan. They don't listen to reason. They don't want to improve themselves. Good Bye.

National Security? (1)

jythie (914043) | about a month ago | (#47788565)

I am trying to picture the hissy fit the US government would throw if someone released the NSA/CIA equivalent of this to the media.

Not particularly inspiring (2)

Stonefish (210962) | about a month ago | (#47788599)

This stull is not particularly inspiring and about I could have written this stuff when I was at high school. The reality of the situation is that any biological vector created will impact the poor and the 3rd world more than the Western world. Look at natural outbreaks such as HIV. Western world OK (not great butOK), 3rd world broken, Islamic world really broken because the can't discuss the problem openly.
The 'cure' in this case might be to infect the region with something virulant and taboo, this may have already been done as apparently there's a couple of particularly virulent STD's making the rounds of ISIS.

Hope they think about it... (1)

forand (530402) | about a month ago | (#47788651)

As others have stated most of the information doesn't seem to be any more harmful than a copy of The Cookbook. With regards to biological weapons: one would hope that whomever thought of this would keep on thinking to realize that poorer nations always fare worse when it comes to communicable diseases. They have fewer resources, longer response times, denser populations, etc.. If the biological isn't communicable it still doesn't make too much sense without some industrial scale dispersal methods which are generally easy to detect.

After America is Dead, They Will Be Bored. (1)

zenlessyank (748553) | about a month ago | (#47788723)

Be careful what you ask for.....It will be quite boring without 'Death to America' parties!!! Might even have to go back to killing each other again.. Oh MY!!

Should be taken with an appropriate amount of salt (1)

oDDmON oUT (231200) | about a month ago | (#47788835)

Regime change, again anyone? There've been enough indications it's sought after in some quarters.

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