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Iceland Raises Volcano Aviation Alert Again

samzenpus posted about 2 months ago | from the every-ash-cloud-has-a-silver-lining dept.

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An anonymous reader writes Iceland's authorities have raised an aviation warning for a region close to the Bardarbunga volcano after a small fissure eruption in the area. The eruption began around 0600 GMT prompting the Icelandic Met Office to raise the aviation warning code to red for the Bardarbunga/Holuhraun area, the Department of Civil Protection and Emergency Management said in a statement. The country's meteorological agency described the eruption as a "very calm lava eruption and can hardly be seen on seismometers."

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Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Iceland (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47795091)

This can affect a lot of planes flying to and from Europe, and can cost airlines millions of dollars in cancellations, delays, and rerouted flights. However it is imperative that airlines avoid the area as ash can wreak havoc on a jet engine and its turbine blades. Best case scenario is the engine flames out and can be restarted once the ash cloud is exited; worst case is that it cannot be restarted and if you lose multiple engines you might wind up losing the aircraft.

Re:Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Icela (1)

umghhh (965931) | about 1 month ago | (#47795905)

this is Putin's fault then or?

Re:Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Icela (2)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about 1 month ago | (#47796551)

In light of the incidents with Eyjafjallajökull and Bardarbunga, I wonder if it would be possible to issue trade embargos on words longer than 10 characters to limit the prevalence of these volcanoes.

Re:Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Icela (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 1 month ago | (#47797155)

These are combination words, you can split them up into their constituents if you feel like it or have dyslexia, Bárðar Bunga and Eyja Fjalla Jökull for instance are the same thing. Similar to German by combining them to one word they become nouns, split apart they can be nouns and verbs in some circumstances or get a different tense or direction do to inflection on each word, so using them as one word with only one inflection is preferred .

Re:Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Icela (1)

Rei (128717) | about 1 month ago | (#47797385)

Or for an English example volcano, "Yellowstone" (11 letters).

To an Icelandic speaker who knows the component words, it's obvious where they split. Eyja (of islands) Fjalla (of mountains) Jökull (glacier), easy as pie. Their brain automatically cues into the "a"s as context clues for splits to make it even easier.

But picture a person who doesn't speak English at all who sees yellowstone. So they don't know the word "yellow" and they don't know the word "stone". Nor do they know what letter clusters are common together in English - or example, "st" - and which ones are not - for example, "ws". To them it'd be just the same thing, they don't see where to split it, and thus the word looks like a jumble of letters.

Re:Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Icela (1)

Rei (128717) | about 1 month ago | (#47797371)

The newest eruption is at Holuhraun, which is only 9 letters. And if it gets all the way to Askja, that's an easy 5 ;)

Re:Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Icela (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about a month and a half ago | (#47824967)

issue trade embargos on words longer than 10 characters

"Putin" is less than 10 letters long.

Re:Doesn't affect just people flying to/from Icela (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 1 month ago | (#47799403)

No shit, everyone knows that from last time.

GMT? (1)

ve3oat (884827) | about 2 months ago | (#47795121)

Why is the time of eruption quoted in GMT? I don't think any observatory "keeps" GMT anymore. Don't forget that GMT is as much a method of deriving time as it is the time itself. GMT used astronomical observations, while UTC is kept by using ensembles of atomic clocks, all cross-compared between international standards organizations.

Re:GMT? (1)

Sique (173459) | about 2 months ago | (#47795143)

Because most clocks sold worldwide still display the term GMT even though they are in reality using UTC.

Re:GMT? (1)

Mister Liberty (769145) | about 2 months ago | (#47795175)

That's because the Washington Post, like the Associated Press, NASA and so many other organizations, still thinks Imperial and British, and likely both.

Re:GMT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 1 month ago | (#47796067)

Well, sort of. GMT was used for astronomical observations. These days, for the purposes of talking in a news report about when an eruption started GMT and UTC are interchangeable. Unless you need precision of a second or less, or you're trying to use a nautical almanac from before 1925, they are so very, very close to identical it doesn't even matter.

Re:GMT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 1 month ago | (#47797219)

Simple. Iceland is on GMT

Iceland disrupting air traffic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47795161)

Better declare war on them to stop this devilish plan!

Re:Iceland disrupting air traffic? (1)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 1 month ago | (#47796625)

No, I would have have a federal judge rule that the volcano must stop. Look at all the US-made aircraft that would be affected if the eruption is allowed to continue.

Bjork's Tits (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47795165)

anyone seen them?

Bullshit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47795189)

They did this a few years ago under a similar situation and it was all for nothing (speak to any commercial pilot to confirm).

Re:Bullshit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47795201)

How to these commercial pilots (of which please provide some citation of this) know it was all for nothing? Did they ignore the rules and fly through the cloud unscathed? If so, they need to be brought up on charges and imprisoned.

Re:Bullshit. (1)

Rei (128717) | about 1 month ago | (#47797397)

All for nothing? [softpedia.com]

Re:Bullshit. (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about a month and a half ago | (#47825123)

No planes fell out of the sky, it's true. However a lot of things did happen. Planes were cancelled. Helicopters for access to offshore oil installations were grounded (I was stuck for 9 days like this ; on the last day we got permission to change personnel by boat, and the next day the flying ban was lifted). The small number of appropriate atmospheric monitoring stations did detect appreciable amounts of gas.

The problem was that engine manufacturers hadn't specified levels of airborne ash below which it was considered safe to run their engines, because they hadn't done the appropriate tests, because no one had asked them to document this aspect of their behaviour. So, nobody knew (to the degree that they were willing to risk killing several hundred of their passengers in an experiment) whether or not it was safe to fly. And caution ruled.

Look at what is happening to Malaysian Airlines after two crashes in a few months. One we just don't know what happened ; the other is in no way MA's fault (given normal airline practice at the time). But that's not stopping them from going bust, their staff being laid off, andeveryone suffering.

Do you have the balls (or cunt, if you're anatomically female) to take the risk of destroying your company? Oh, sorry, dumb question ; you're an AC ; of course you don't have the balls (or cunt) to back up your carping.

Iceland Raises Volcano Aviation Alert Again (4, Funny)

Karl Cocknozzle (514413) | about 2 months ago | (#47795207)

Frankly, I'm shocked that Iceland extends pilots licenses to volcanoes. That seems like a terrible idea.

Re:Iceland Raises Volcano Aviation Alert Again (1)

Mashiki (184564) | about 1 month ago | (#47796557)

Hey now, who doesn't want to see two miles of exploding doom flying their way.

The volcano could affect the weather! (1)

MindPrison (864299) | about 2 months ago | (#47795425)

If I'm not entirely mistaken, volcano ash eruptions like that also affects the weather.

We had an ICE-COLD 2010 winter with record breaking low temperatures that year. I'd rather not have another wolf-winter.
Guess it's not my call.

Re:The volcano could affect the weather! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 1 month ago | (#47796449)

Except that this isn't an ash eruption, its mostly magma coming up unlike the eruption in Papua/New Guinea.

Re:The volcano could affect the weather! (1)

RockDoctor (15477) | about a month and a half ago | (#47825267)

It's not impossible that the two are related (I got stuck in the Heathrow Fiasco for several days. Pain in the arse.), but I'm not aware of any strong evidence to link the two events.

Down Again (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47795467)

Well at least the Iceland Met Official can make a decision and dial it back.

These days Barak is bunkered in the Situation Room with his bong, a poster of Richard M. Nixon and his Jimmy Carter suite and playbook.

His inactions indicate he thinks he can "wait it out" until January 2016 and collect his retirement.

Barak should get real houked up and sign an Executive Order on Deportation and deport himself to Kenya.

Ha ha

Re:Down Again (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about 1 month ago | (#47796909)

Barak should get real houked up and sign an Executive Order on Deportation and deport himself to Kenya.

Only if.. But as bad as BHOS (Barack Hussien Obama Soetero) is, you REALLY don't want Joe Biden as Pres.... They come as a matched
set..

Re:Down Again (1)

Rei (128717) | about 1 month ago | (#47797407)

The Met Office's decisions have all been perfectly cogent, it's only the poor reporting that's led to confusion from lay people.

In the first case there were all signs of an eruption under the glacier. They issued an alert. Later there were no signs on the surface, so they removed it. Later on, glacial subsidence proved that an eruption had indeed taken place, but stopped. In both cases, correct behavior on their part.

Then there was the 1st Holuhraun eruption. When an eruption begins, theres no way to know how its going to evolve, but since it was just a lava eruption, it was only restricted on instrument-only flight and only to 5000 feet. When it died down, they removed it. Again, right call by the Met Office.

Then there was the 2nd Holuhraun eruption. Again, 5000 foot instrument-only restriction, and when it steadied out, they removed the restriction (yes, the Slashdot article is wrong, the restriction has long been removed). Again, right call by the Met Office.

People need to stop armchair quarterbacking, they're doing the right thing.

Bah, character-set ignorance. (1, Informative)

jeffb (2.718) (1189693) | about 1 month ago | (#47796007)

I feel embarrassed every time I see an English-language site render this as "Bardarbunga", when that "d" should be "th". Yes, the letter "eth" looks like a lowercase d with a crossbar and erectile dysfunction, but it's pronounced like "th".

They should render the a-with-diacritic as "au", too. (Maybe even take the "g" to a "k".) But while there's a long and stupid tradition of dropping diacritics without rewriting the vowel, there's no damn excuse for getting it this badly wrong when you've got to replace a letter that simply doesn't exist in your target alphabet.

Re:Bah, character-set ignorance. (1)

dibos (129766) | about 1 month ago | (#47796365)

Baurtharbunka is a better transliteration.

Re:Bah, character-set ignorance. (3, Interesting)

ibwolf (126465) | about 1 month ago | (#47796565)

This is wrong on all counts. It is very much traditional for us Icelanders (yes I'm from Iceland) to transliterate eth (ð) as d and accented characters like á without the accent.

Th is only used to transliterate the thorn (which Slashdot refuses to render).

What is annoying is when the eth is transliterated as o. I have one in my last name and I've had trouble with checking in to flights booked via Expedia due to this nonsense.

Re:Bah, character-set ignorance. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 1 month ago | (#47797237)

This is English transliteration, not Icelandic, & Ð (thorn and eth) are English characters taken in to use in Icelandic in the 19th century rather than from the runic alphabet, although they are no longer used in English because most early English language books were either printed in Holland or used character set metals from Holland and the Dutch did not print in their local languages but only in Latin, the rule is still that in English the transliteration is th to simplify pronunciation.

Same reason that Dutch and Afrikaans are spelled with only Latin characters.

So, not good at running banks, not proficient in linguistics, is there anything that the inhabitants of Djöflaeyjan do with aplomb?

Re:Bah, character-set ignorance. (1)

Rei (128717) | about 1 month ago | (#47797479)

Mér finnst samt pirrandi THegar fólk gerir THetta. THað er ófagmannlegt - Washington Post er mikil fréttasíða, ekki eitthvað skrifað á Facebook. :P

If it's so reasonable to "transliterate foreign proper names", then why is it that they only seem to do it with countries like Iceland? They don't usually transliterate proper names from other countries - for example, German (Düsseldorf) or [washingtonpost.com] France (Équipe FLN) [washingtonpost.com] , just to pick a few quick examples.

Re:Bah, character-set ignorance. (1)

Idarubicin (579475) | about 1 month ago | (#47796593)

I feel embarrassed every time I see an English-language site render this as "Bardarbunga", when that "d" should be "th". Yes, the letter "eth" looks like a lowercase d with a crossbar and erectile dysfunction, but it's pronounced like "th".

The reason is because the Icelandic alphabet has two different letters that produce a sound that could be written "th" in English. The letter eth (Ð or ð) is a voiced "th", like in "they" or "this"; whereas the letter thorn (Wikipedia link [wikipedia.org] , since Slashdot won't render it) is unvoiced, like in "thistle" or "theater". By convention, eth is transliterated as "d", whereas thorn is transliterated as "th". It does make some sense, as "d" is a voiced consonant, so that in addition to the look being similar, the naive pronunciation isn't horribly wrong. (And it means that someone seeing a "th" in an English transliteration of Icelandic text knows that it's unvoiced, so they'll get the pronunciation right.) And for better or for worse, it's the accepted transliteration, so if you want to fight it you're fighting against convention.

The gross transliteration error that kills me is when someone substitutes P or p for the thorn and turns something like Thingvellir into Pingvellir. That's just horribly wrong.

Re:Bah, character-set ignorance. (1)

jeffb (2.718) (1189693) | about 1 month ago | (#47797691)

Well, cool. It always takes some of the sting out of being wrong when I learn interesting things from the correction. Thanks!

Re:Bah, character-set ignorance. (2)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 1 month ago | (#47796637)

The character you have in mind is 'thorn'. If we had Unicode, betcha we could do one.

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