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Hacker Disrupts New Zealand Election Campaign

samzenpus posted about a month and a half ago | from the throwing-a-wrench-in-the-works dept.

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An anonymous reader writes New Zealand is facing its weirdest election ever with a hacker calling himself "Rawshark" progressively dumping emails hacked from a controversial blogger. This weekend, revelations forced the resignation of one Government minister and nobody knows what will drop next. Emails revealed that the blogger, called "Whale Oil", was in contact with both a government minister in charge of New Zealand's white collar crime investigations unit and with a PR man acting for a founder of a failed finance company then under investigation.

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Way to go (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47798923)

We need alot of more this kind of hackers.
They keep tabs on us, invade our privacy, no reason not to do the same to them.

Hack the planet!

Re: Way to go (2)

maitas (98290) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799073)

The role of the Patriot is to protect its country from its government.
Way to go!

Re: Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799125)

The role of the Patriot is to protect its country from its government.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. It is precisely patriotism, always ready to create temporary exceptions to freedom that always become permanent, that has been the downfall of the USA.

This guy should be lauded for putting ethics above patriotism, and not defending from "government" or "corporation" or any other synonym, but from corruption.

Re: Way to go (2)

frikken lazerz (3788987) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799229)

I think you're confusing "patriotism" with "jingoism" or "imperialism". Patriotism is good. It's great to love your country and do things that show that love. However, part of patriotism is being able to admit your country has flaws, and doing your best to fix them. It's not the "my country right or wrong" kind of stupidity that may americans have (and they call that patriotism, sadly), nor is it the imperialistic "let's invade other countries to make them right that many Americans also support. It's a lobe for your country with a desire to make it the best it can be. I'm proud to be a patriot, but I despise those who confuse patriotism with jingoism and imperialism.

Re: Way to go (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799273)

It's great to love your country and do things that show that love.

I find that "showing love to a country" is a stupid thing to do...
A country is an inanimate concept, it's not even a thing. It can't (and most definitely doesn't) love you back.
Do you also show your love to a potato? What makes a country different than a potato or, say, a chair?

Re: Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799345)

But -- think of the children!

Re: Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799389)

Potatoe. You idiot.

Re: Way to go (3)

frikken lazerz (3788987) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799549)

I show love for my country because I want my country to provide the best life for me and my family and friends. Therefore it is in my best interest to make sure my country remains powerful economically, has freedoms for its citizens, and so on. I show this love by trying yo make my country the best in the world, the best place for me and my loved ones to grow and prosper.

Re: Way to go (0)

davester666 (731373) | about a month and a half ago | (#47801395)

If you live in the US, you are failing quite spectacularly.

Re: Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47803109)

That's fine but if you don't keep your country in check then there are forces at work in the other direction...the ones that make sure every dollar of opportunity you generate for your country is a dollar for the ruling class. This money is not for you, it's for those guys in suits doing blow down at the local strip club. It won't buy your kids an education. It won't buy you food stamps when you hit rough times. It just buys hookers and blow and a DJ for the yacht.

You can't love a country without loving its people, and the sum good of a country is the sum good of its people weighted with respect to their influence on the world. America remains good as long as the sum of its citizenry can outmatch any corruption in Washington but I worry that the influence of the average citizen is rapidly approaching zero. We can all feel powerful, but we all have dirty laundry somewhere. The NSA is there to make sure that we toe the line and don't get any illusions of grandeur in our heads. The vague, all-encompassing laws are there to make sure that anything they find, no matter how trivial or even morally justified, can be prosecuted. No good deed goes unpunished, etc. While all this is going on they'll find ever more exotic ways to remove constitutionally protected guns from people with false flag operations and outright lies. The police will still have tanks, grenades and blackhawk helicopters though - it's just that you'll have a stick and a bag of rocks.

It's long been established that corporatism incubates the most vile of psychopaths. Companies will just as well bump you off and leave you to starve if it'll save them a buck and with the revolving door in full effect we now have a congress full of these psychopaths. The corporations and the government are one and the same, and none give two shits about you, your loved ones, or your prosperity. Your job will probably go to a Chinese manufactured robot tomorrow.

If you could snap your fingers and remove everyone you hate or don't care about from the world, knowing that their jobs would be done by a machine and you wouldn't suffer in any way, would you do it?

Whew, I'm hungry. Gonna make a cheese sandwich and play some Half Life 2 I think.

Re: Way to go (1)

uninformedLuddite (1334899) | about a month and a half ago | (#47813059)

You're funny

Re: Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47803029)

Nothing.
Don't you dare think that I don't show my love to a chair.
I prefer to not even discuss what I do with a potato.

Re: Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47812811)

Do you also show your love to a potato?

Hey! What potato and I do in the privacy of our own bedroom is nobodies business!

Re: Way to go (1)

Trogre (513942) | about a month and a half ago | (#47840329)

It's where all your stuff is.

Re: Way to go (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799689)

Patriotism isn't necessarily the same thing as nationalism.

Re: Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799779)

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. It is precisely patriotism, always ready to create temporary exceptions to freedom that always become permanent, that has been the downfall of the USA.

This guy should be lauded for putting ethics above patriotism, and not defending from "government" or "corporation" or any other synonym, but from corruption.

PATRIOTISM, n.
Combustible rubbish ready to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name.

In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last resort of a scoundrel. With all due respect to an
enlightened but inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first.

Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

Re: Way to go (1)

demachina (71715) | about a month and a half ago | (#47800497)

A war is when your government tells you who the enemy is. A revolution is when you figure it out for yourself.

Re:Way to go (2)

Livius (318358) | about a month and a half ago | (#47800015)

We are not completely sure what kind of hacker this is. Revealing the truth selectively could create an unfair situation, which is not what you want for an election.

Re:Way to go (1)

linatux (63153) | about a month and a half ago | (#47803203)

Good to see things being stirred up, but I'm concerned the hacker is releasing only what will achieve his/her agenda rather than the whole truth.

Re:Way to go (1)

Jack Griffin (3459907) | about a month and a half ago | (#47804459)

Maybe I'm mistaken but isn't this precisely how politics works?

Re:Way to go (1)

ASDFnz (472824) | about a month and a half ago | (#47803289)

We need alot of more this kind of hackers.
They keep tabs on us, invade our privacy, no reason not to do the same to them.

Hack the planet!

I am from New Zealand and I agree. However I do have an issue as to how it is done.

Unlike Snowden or Wikileaks it is exceedingly obvious that it (and I hate saying this because it is such a cliché) it is some sort of left wing conspiracy. We are only getting half of the story and the releases go to great pains to not damage the left wing.

If everything was released it would have more credibility (with me at least).

Re:Way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47815033)

When you're taking down prominent players who self-identify as "right wing" (National party), you're inevitably going to have some "left wing" involvement. To call it a conspiracy is fucking lunatic. If there's any dirt on the "lefties", you can be sure that muckraker supreme Alistair Campbell would be all over it like white on rice.
Key and his cronies are just getting their comeuppance. They've used the SIS and GCSB for their own personal purposes, they've been caught in the act, and Collins is just the first "victim" to die on her sword. Chuck the fuckers out fast - they're all toxic, justright wing this time around, and there's plenty of candidates for political office in NZ to spare.
I am from New Zealand, and I disagree.
The only conspiracy evident is the one that's just been exposed by Hager's book.

Kim Dot Com might know (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47798945)

He knows pretty much everyone of note down there, and is even running in the Election with an Internet Party.

Re:Kim Dot Com might know (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47798973)

Kim has nothing, but Peter Jackson has all the details - he made a few movies there, so no surprise.

Voip SMS Fixed (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47798971)

The Whale Oil blogger was also involved in revealing a sex scandal involving the PM trying to remove a Mayor. Threatening text messages where sent and the NZ Herald newspaper put out a public appeal to unearth the sender. It turns out that the Caller ID was one of the free international Voip SMS local forwarding numbers that had for years been diverted by the local Telecom in their attempt to frustrate its users. When this Voip SMS connection was made known to the newspaper, details of how to crack the exchange were picked up by the Intelligence Services and within hours the anonymous Caller ID hole which Whale Oil had been using was plugged.

"Rawshark"... (3, Insightful)

He Who Has No Name (768306) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799015)

...sounds like a reference to that exact accented pronunciation of Rorschach's name in Watchmen (the original graphic novel, when Veidt calls the police to tip them off).

That can't be a coincidence.

RE: "Rawshark"... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799059)

So... you either didn't read TFA or you're quoting in here without mentioning it to make yourself sound smart. Which is it?

Re: "Rawshark"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799387)

How are you even asking that question?

Re: "Rawshark"... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47810359)

Slashdot's comment system.

Rawsharking up the wrong tree (1)

kruach aum (1934852) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799129)

This is clearly a specialist sushi afficionado and not a vigilante emulator.

Rawshark - Dump and analyze raw libpcap data (1)

warewolfsmith (196722) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799027)

Rawshark reads a stream of packets from a file or pipe, and prints a line describing its output, followed by a set of matching fields for each packet on stdout. https://www.wireshark.org/docs... [wireshark.org]

"Whale Oil" (3)

asifyoucare (302582) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799031)

I assume his last names are "Beef Hooked". Not so much my joke as Whale Oil's.

Hey, New Zealand! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799049)

. <-- You dropped your mineral exports again.

Re:Hey, New Zealand! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799177)

Hey, Australia! Pity about what that extra degree of climate change is doing to do to your bushfire problem.

Re:Hey, New Zealand! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802371)

And there you have it, the aggressive mentality of our Australian neighbours demonstrated for all to see. It's not easy living next to self-important thugs, especially those trying so very hard to be just like the US.

Re:Hey, New Zealand! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47804883)

Yeah, but we've got Ayers Rock, mate. Big, huge rock... Massive.

His full name is Whale Oil Beef Hooked (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799085)

But you have to pronounce it really fast

God this is useless. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799131)

You know what? Fuck you Slashdot.

You used to work just fine, but now I have to try and post something three or four or five times before I get this shit:

This resource is no longer valid. Please return to the beginning and try again.

I'm sick of it. You keep referring me to beta when I go to stories, ignoring the nobeta=1 part of the address, and now this shit.

Sick to death of this complete fucking incomptence.

Re:God this is useless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799203)

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feeding the whale (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799139)

Firstly there was the book "Dirty Politics" by Nicky Hager which contained the allegations backed up now by selective releases by whaledump :D (Theres an ebook on a certain nautical site i wont mention ;)
The National government have been feeding sensitive info to this vitriolic blogger called Cameron "WhaleOil" Slater (WO) and using him to do their dirty work.
There has been information "released" to WO under freedom of information, that had been denied other more legitimate journalists so that WO could launch his attack, there is evidence he was instructed as to which information to specifically request and the request was processed in an extremely short time.
This is what has brought down our (Ex) Minister for Justice (ROFL) Judith Collins. The filth washes right to the Prime Minister John Keys "Office" and as an ex corporate banker involved in the Derivatives trade there are quite a few people that are not surprised, only elated that the filth gets shown before our election and not after.

Assange to help Kim Dotcom drop bombshell on PM (4, Interesting)

twosat (1414337) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799153)

As if Prime Minister John Key does not have enough problems, Kim Dotcom has revealed that he will drop a bombshell on him. He is warning that something big will come out on September 15, just five days from the election. He says WikiLeaks founder and fugitive Julian Assange, who's holed up in Ecuador's London embassy, is set to take part in a pre-election attack on John Key. The addition of Mr Assange confirms the event will be about New Zealand's spying.

http://tvnz.co.nz/vote-2014-ne... [tvnz.co.nz]

Re:Assange to help Kim Dotcom drop bombshell on PM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799739)

Stop giving Kim 'Dotcom' attention. He is a crook and not the face we want any movement to have.

Re:Assange to help Kim Dotcom drop bombshell on PM (1)

Nyder (754090) | about a month and a half ago | (#47801581)

Stop giving Kim 'Dotcom' attention. He is a crook and not the face we want any movement to have.

Hello Mr. Government worker. Guess what? Kim Dotcom is less of a criminal then you and the rest of you US government bitches. Start obeying our fucking constitution again before we have to kill you all and start over.

Re:Assange to help Kim Dotcom drop bombshell on PM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802401)

Hello Mr. Government worker. Guess what? Kim Dotcom is less of a criminal then you and the rest of you US government bitches. Start obeying our fucking constitution again before we have to kill you all and start over.

Idiot, we're talking about New Zealand, not your sorry-arse country with its toilet-paper constitution.

Re:Assange to help Kim Dotcom drop bombshell on PM (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799941)

Guaranteed nothing will happen, especially as Assange is mentioned. Remember the BoA evidence? Yeah, no one else does either.

Here's the result. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799187)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11315586

The targets of the attacks have gone up in the polls and those who stand to benefit the most have gone down.

Re:Here's the result. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799647)

This makes perfect sense. Who would trust a political party that stoops to the tactics being used by Dotcom?

Alliteration fail :( (4, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799193)

for a founder of a failed finance company

So close! The correct word to use here was "firm."

Re:Alliteration fail :( (5, Informative)

FatLittleMonkey (1341387) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799371)

for a founder of a failed finance company then under investigation

"for a founder of a failed finance firm then facing..." Can't make "investigation" work. Although that "V" might be close enough already. "Official fact-finding"? Doesn't really carry the same meaning.

[Aside: The headline is misleading. It implies that a hack somehow interfered directly with the election mechanism. The hacker revealed corruption, it's the corruption which will disrupt the election chances of one of the major parties. "Hacked revelations threaten NZ National Party re-election bid". It's not like the hacker sabotaged a party's campaign site, or got into the ballot-printing or e-voting system. The difference between someone poisoning your company's products and someone revealing the poison your company puts in their products. In one case, they are the cause of the disruption, in the other they are just the messenger, you are the cause.]

Re:Alliteration fail :( (1)

kruach aum (1934852) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799985)

... facing future formal financial findings (pending investigation)

Re:Alliteration fail :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799441)

Yes, and his name was F for FEUD :-)

Good! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799339)

If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't be worried, right? You fucking cocksuckers. I hope these hacker dudes take down more of these arrogant parasites. Come to Quebec my friends! We need a MAJOR cleanup, the "leadership class" here is off the rails.

mod H0p (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799415)

product, BSD's Against vigorous Confirming the steAdily fucking

Naive New Zealand (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799427)

I'm a NZer, though I live in London now. When I lived in Auckland, an American exchange student once described NZ as the country that is like America was before everyone got fucked over by someone else. It is so painfully is true. Our naive innocence is now being exploited by a bunch of international con artists (dotcom and john key) and we are just being take for a joy ride. Give us another five years of this and we'll all become a bunch of suspicious unfriendly people like the rest of the world.

Re:Naive New Zealand (3, Interesting)

Jack Griffin (3459907) | about a month and a half ago | (#47804495)

I have a theory on this. Why is it that countries like NZ and Iceland etc are nice and friendly while others are angry and hostile. Two key components, size and isolation. Being small means you are always manageable and less prone to corruption (yeah it's still there, but at a far smaller scale as to not be an major issue). Being small also means everyone knows each other, so it's harder to be a jerk when your decision directly affect people you actually know. Isolation creates the benefit of not having every Tom, Dick or Mohammed coming through the place trying to take pieces of it. It offers no strategic value so all the jerks focus on bigger targets, leaving you with only lightweight jerks. Neither of these things are going to change in the short or medium term, so I wouldn't worry too much. One outcome of this idea, is that along the lines of the Monkeysphere theory, maybe countries like the US and China are too big? Maybe the best path for humanity is smaller countries and/or states? Corruption seems to be a function of size, so if the world was divided into NZ/Iceland type chunks would we all be better off?

Left wing hitjob (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47799685)

Possibly financed/orchestrated by NZ resident multimillionare Kim Dotcom (owner of Mega.com filesharing site and criminal with convictions for fraud who tends to frequently move countries to escape the law) as a way to get a tiny political party he has formed and financed to hold the balance of power in a left wing coalition and thereby have the leverage he needs to get laws passed to prevent his otherwise inevitable extradition next year to USA on copyright violations associated with a now defunct filesharing site he owned and got rich off. The left wing coalition are looking very unlikely to win hence this hit job to try bridge some of their large polling deficit. Kim is getting desperate as he is facing decades in Federal prison.

It is very telling that the political blogger/journalist who was hacked is something of a loose canon (right leaning ex tabloid editor) and was a major conduit for leaked information and rumour from across the political and social spectrum, yet only emails embarrassing to a few senior politicians in the current hugely popular centre-right govt were released. The blogger could release all his emails, to demonstrate the imbalance and hypocrisy of the opposition politicians, but can't without burning his sources. Even with these revelations (that amount to nothing more than that politicians surreptitiously talk to journalists and bloggers to get their spin out, and don't like it when senior civil servants in our supposedly apolitical civil service undermine them), the existing govt is one of most popular in NZ's history riding at around 50-55% in polls (vs next best at 25%) and highly likely to stay in power.

If the current govt lose after such tactics have been employed then it is a pretty nasty attack on what is otherwise one of the most enlightened and well run democracies in the world by win-at-any-cost ideologues possibly a few criminals and complicit media that is significantly left-wing biased.

Re:Left wing hitjob (1)

Pinky's Brain (1158667) | about a month and a half ago | (#47799983)

"Hacked emails appear to show Hotchin secretly paid bloggers Cameron Slater and Cathy Odgers to write attack posts undermining the Serious Fraud Office, its director Adam Feeley"

The blogger takes money to tell only one side of the story in the first place, you say the hacker has is ideologically inclined to tell only the the other ... how is this not slightly balanced at least?

Re:Left wing hitjob (1)

ASDFnz (472824) | about a month and a half ago | (#47803367)

The blogger takes money to tell only one side of the story in the first place

Money has not been mentioned and on top of that how do you know? What is fairly obvious is that the releases don't not mention the other side at all. To me it seems that the releases are from only one side, and that person has an ax to grind.

A full release of what is available would be the solution.... but it may damage the left wing as well and it seems that whoever it is does not want that. Until then it just looks like a left wing conspiracy.

Re:Left wing hitjob (4, Interesting)

Hairy1 (180056) | about a month and a half ago | (#47801549)

Nice way of trying to turn this around. What this has done is expose how these National politicians have gone beyond the normal politics in New Zealand to actually support muck raking and character assasination. It is the kind of politics New Zealanders hate. You see while it isn't perfect we still have a functional democracy, unlike the United States. This 'attack' would have had no impact if the Government had not done anything wrong, but clearly they have. There is now clear evidence of a corporation buying off favour to slander a senior investigator with the cooperation of a senior Minister. The senior Minister appears to have oiled the wheels to get previously restricted information released under the Official Information Act in order to harm a political opponent. Reminds me of the saying - live by the sword, die by the sword.

Re:Left wing hitjob (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47804247)

Don't forget that Cam still has teh full copy of his own inbox. If push comes to shove, he may be compelled to release the emails exposing the lefties as crooks and holier than thou hypocrites at the same time. That will be a lot of sh!t and a wind-generator-sized fan. Pass the popcorn.

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2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources

"?"

* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

APK

P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... [techcrunch.com] so *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

That's illogical, but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

... apk

New Zealander tech vs. American tech (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47800177)

AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out': My FREE program for hosts adds speed, security, reliability, & more doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

---

A.) Hosts do more than:

1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... [techcrunch.com] )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).

C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less "moving parts" complexity

D.) Hosts files yield more:

1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

---

* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.

* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too(4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] )

Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)

APK

P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

...apk

Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47800191)

W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

Ask yourselves these questions... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47800203)

Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources

"?"

* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

APK

P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... [techcrunch.com]

So *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

That's illogical, but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

... apk

Re:Ask yourselves these questions... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802487)

The question I most want answered is "Why do you keep posting this shit when everybody here clearly hates you?"

Nobody hates apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802589)

Except botnet herders, advertisers, or inferior competitors. Which of those 3 are you? The rest of us love him for giving us what we need which is more speed we paid for to be online (that ads steal from us and infect us with malicious code at times), security against botnets/malware, phishers, spammers, and trackers online, along with better reliability against dns failure or redirect security issues.

Re:New Zealander tech vs. American tech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802429)

Hi, cocksucker!

Nobody cares about your shitware!

Have a nice day!

You do care (your reaction projects fear of it) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802601)

Which of these 3 parties that fear hosts are you: Botnet herder, advertiser, or inferior competitor? Your completely off topic foaming at the mouth profane projection gave you away.

and the smurf happily smurfed ever after (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47800483)

The most positive thing about headlines and summaries like this is that it's painfully obvious nobody actually knows what's going on, and so is throwing big words around to sound scary and interesting without any substance actually being on offer. In short, it's clickbait. Though clickbait that these days might cost you your 4th amendment rights in the US.

I wish people would just write what they knew and understood. These days, any mention of "hacker", "hack", "hacking", "hacked", means "I have no idea yet I must yabber ever on!", and so is best ignored. Heck, attaching "cyber" to random words is more informative these days. Go figure.

"Disrupts New Zealand Election Campaign" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47800769)

That's just an additional bonus of a normal accusation of a criminal asshole.

New Zealander tech vs. American tech (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802537)

AdBlock = Inferior + 'Souled-Out': My FREE program for hosts adds speed, security, reliability, & more doing more, more efficiently vs. addons + fixes DNS' issues:

APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?o... [start64.com]

---

A.) Hosts do more than:

1.) AdBlock ("souled-out" 2 Google/Crippled by default http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... [techcrunch.com] )
2.) Ghostery (Advertiser owned) - "Fox guards henhouse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... [wikipedia.org]
3.) Request Policy -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen... [slashdot.org]

B.) Hosts add reliability vs. downed/redirected dns (& overcome site redirects e.g. /. beta).

C.) Hosts secure vs. malicious domains too -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org] w/ less "moving parts" complexity

D.) Hosts files yield more:

1.) Speed (adblock & hardcodes fav sites - faster than remote dns)
2.) Security (vs. malicious domains serving malcontent + block spam/phish & trackers)
3.) Reliability (vs. downed or Kaminsky redirect vulnerable dns, 99% = unpatched vs. it & worst @ isp level + weak vs DGA, & Fastflux + dynDNS botnets)
4.) Anonymity (vs. dns request logs + dnsbl's).

---

* Hosts do more w/ less (1 file) @ faster levels (ring 0) vs redundant inefficient addons (slowing slower ring 3 browsers) via filtering 4 the IP stack (coded in C, loads w/ os, & 1st net resolver queried w\ 45++ yrs.of optimization).

* Addons = more complex + slow browsers in messagepassing (use a few concurrently & see) & are nullified by native browser methods - It's how Clarityray's destroying Adblock.

* Addons slowup slower usermode browsers layering on more - & bloat RAM consumption + excessive cpu use too(4++gb extra in FireFox https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] )

Instead, work w/ a native kernelmode part - hosts (An integrated part of the ip stack)

APK

P.S.=> "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"

...apk

Addendum: True story, AdBlock vs. Hosts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802551)

W. Palant wrote me by email 1st saying "hosts are a shitty solution" to which I replied:

"Show us adblock can do more for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity than hosts can, + that adblock does it more efficiently than hosts"

Which on my latter 'point-in-challenge' on efficiency AdBlock's proven by research to be MASSIVELY inefficient -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] & adblock does FAR less than hosts (especially crippled by default).

I sent Wladimir Palant that challenge in response to his statement from 2 different email addresses I use!

Result = Still no answer from him in regard to my challenge put to him to this very day MONTHS later - that tell you anything? It did me!

He knows his addon is less efficient & features laden by FAR vs. hosts - Wladimir Palant RAN like a scared rabbit!

ClarityRay's also DESTROYING AdBlock - via native browser methods to DUMP what addons you use (it can't DO THAT to hosts files).

I only tell it how it is on hosts' superiority vs. AdBlock - Funny part is, Wladimir Palant running does too!

Especially considering "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" has 'souled-out' -> Google And Others Reportedly Pay Adblock Plus To Show You Ads Anyway: http://news.slashdot.org/comme... [slashdot.org]

APK

P.S.=> Bottom-Line: Hosts = a superior solution that also fixes DNS redirect security issues (vs. browser addons & their inefficiencies + messagepassing overheads as well as myriad lack of abilities hosts have from 1 file that's part of the IP stack itself - faster, more efficient, & less redundant as well, since TCP/IP has 45++ yrs. of refinement & optimization in it, & runs in a higher CPU serviced ring of privelege & operations in kernelmode vs. slower usermode layering over browsers slowing them more, & hosts = 1st resolver queried by the OS itself also)... apk

Ask yourselves these questions... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a month and a half ago | (#47802563)

Can adblock do the following things (that custom hosts files can):

1.) Secure you vs. known malicious sites/servers
2.) Secure you vs. downed DNS servers aiding reliability
3.) Secure you vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns servers
4.) Protect you vs. fastflux using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
5.) Protect you vs. dynamic dns using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
6.) Protect you vs. domain generation algorithm using botnet attacks and stop their communications back to their C&C servers
7.) Speed you up for websurfing not only by adblocking but also hardcoding favorite sites
8.) Get you past a dnsbl you may not agree with
9.) Keep you off dns request logs
10.) Do all of those things and block ads (better than adblock) more efficiently in cpu cycles and memory usage
11.) Work on ANY webbound application (think stand-alone email programs, for example).
12.) Give you direct, easily notepad/texteditor controlled data for all of the above
13.) Block out trackers
14.) Block spam mails sources
15.) Block phishing mails sources

"?"

* Simple YES or NO answers will do for repliers to this - that's all.

APK

P.S.=> Of course, ANSWER ="NO" to each enumerated item above as far as "Almost ALL Ads Blocked" (crippled by default & 'souled-out' defeating it's very base purpose) is concerned -> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/... [techcrunch.com]

So, *IF* you feel like doing things LESS efficiently as well -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth... [mozilla.org] ontop of doing less than hosts do (by far) with more complexity + from a slower mode of operations (usermode with more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode, also starting up w/ the IP stack itself, before REDUNDANT inefficient addons even BEGIN to operate, & as the 1st resolver queried by the OS as well)?

That's illogical, but up to you - I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make them drink!

... apk

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