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OpenOffice Coder On StarOffice 6.0's Beta Release

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the another-promising-one dept.

Sun Microsystems 235

kevin@ank.com was there last night when "Max Lanfranconi of the OpenOffice project spoke to the Silicon Valley Linux User Group on Wednesday morning's release 6.0 of the LGPL'd office suite. When the project was opened two years ago, it was missing online help, spell-checking, and printing which had been based on proprietary commercial libraries. With release 6 the open source community has replaced these missing features." Read on for some more information on the new release, courtesy of Kevin.Update: 10/04 22:11 GMT by T : Several readers have pointed out that the 6.0 release is actually the beta of StarOffice 6.0. Though StarOffice is based on OpenOffice code, there's not actually a new build of OpenOffice yet. OpenOffice's is currently at build 638.

"Release 6 also gets rid of the old Star Office desktop of version 5 which was generally disliked for its annoying tendency to cover up all of the other windows you were working with and make it difficult to interact with your X Window Manager.

The application suite has programable APIs for each of the applications, exposed through a custom object request broker named UNO. In an impressive demonstration, Max showed live update of a spreadsheet with real-time stock data, all under the control of a small Java application. Changed data were reflected throughout the spreadsheet table with each update as the sheet recalculated each cell based on the new input.

Max freely admits that there are still weaknesses in the code. He pointed to the ten year lifespan of the mostly C++ code base, and hopes to see the code improved with the use of more modern C++ features. In browsing through the source tree I don't find that the code is in nearly as bad shape as Max portrayed it. Admittedly I've only seen a tiny fraction of the code (at 3.7 million lines, OpenOffice is by far the largest open source project in the world), but my random sampling showed very good coding practises, like preprocessor guards around each header include to reduce compile time due to reopening headers that have already been processed. Even with these measures in place however, the full system takes upwards of 15 hours and 1.5GB of disk to build on currently available hardware.

System load time for the office suite has been significantly reduced (about 20s on Max's 500MHz laptop with 128MB memory) by removing several libraries from the link process and instead loading them on demand. Over the next year or more Max hopes to see more modularization of the code base with the eventual goal of seperating the monolithic program into seperate applications linked together through an object request broker.

Q&A went on until we got kicked out of our room, so there is a lot more that is new about OpenOffice than I've described here. If you are interested you can pick up a copy at OpenOffice.org, or at one of its mirrors around the world."

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Hello Dolly! (-1)

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Re:Hello Dolly! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389588)

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Re:Hello Dolly! (-1)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389594)

Q&A went on until we got kicked out of our room

Yeah, those McDonalds employees are pretty strict about that 'no loitering in the bathrooms' policy.

Could it be? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389448)

Did I actually just get the FROST PIST on this article?

At least, I would have gotten it, had the 20 second limit not erased my comment

Re:Could it be? (-1)

Sunken Kursk (518450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389540)

Hey dumbass...

On that "It's been 2 seconds since you hit reply" page, try hitting Reload/Refresh. If you do it right, it resubmits the comment!

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Propz! (-1)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389450)

To all dfead penis birds.

And living cyborg_monkeys.

Miss? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389464)

I'd like to register a complaint about this penis bird I purchased from this botique not half an hour ago.....

No,no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389538)

he's not dead, he's restin' !

Re:Miss? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389568)

He's not dead, he's a lesbian.

Re:Propz! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389534)

CM, or Sunken Kursk as he is know today, is dead and has been dead for a long time. Okay, the wheel is turning but the hamster is most definitely dead.

-- Hemos, AKA Vlad

Re:Propz! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389585)

You are mistaken, yet again, weasle boy.

Why did you post as an AC? Could not remember who you are today?

Re:Propz! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389701)

Naaaaah, I told you. I'm getting back up to the 50 mark. Take a look at the harddrive article for an example. One complete bullshit comment, another which actually deserved the +5 (yeah, I'm slipping, I know).

Anyway, ttyl, Sunken Kursk.

Wow! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389453)

like preprocessor guards around each header include to reduce compile time due to reopening headers that have already been processed

They're so advanced! Really, you couldn't have found a better example of good code out of 3.7M lines of code?

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389817)

That's sheer programmin' genius, that is. I wunder who ever thought of that.

Office Suite (1)

Cirvam (216911) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389474)

Wow, I hope now linux finally has a less bloated and faster office suite. I know Star Office has come a long way, but I think that this solution is better for the end user because it allows more customization. I.E. You can remove parts that you don't like like autocomplete or other "features". I'll have to try this along side star office, hopefully both have matured greatly.



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Re:Office Suite (1)

Water Paradox (231902) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389620)

So is it safe to assume that if you can delete things you don't, like, LIKE like autocomplete, then, like, can you also get, like, rid of prompts for, like, if you like to double your words like like?

Re:Office Suite (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389695)

like, like, doh, like dip-like-shit

Don't you wish the girl next door looked like this [ithumbz.com]

Re:Office Suite (0, Offtopic)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389784)

Don't you wish the girl next door looked like this [ithumbz.com]



No, I don't wish my next door was drinking pee and fucking dogs...

Maybe if she could take a big fist up her arse though.... :)

Released?? (5, Informative)

Teancom (13486) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389480)

If it has been, openoffice.org sure doesn't know about it. All that is available for download are some "recent builds" with not "W00t! First Release!" hysteria anywhere. Maybe the title should have been "OpenOffice guy interviewed, betas available". But that might be expecting too much from poor Timothy.. I mean, he'd have to actually follow a link!

Re:Released?? (2)

ekrout (139379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389542)

Well, check out my .sig and you can get the StarOffice 6.0 beta off of a Linux server on a T3 :-)

Re:Released?? (2, Informative)

Teancom (13486) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389560)

Yes, but as other people keep pointing out, OpenOffice != StarOffice, and even StarOffice 6.0 is still in beta. So no matter how you squint, it still isn't "released" :-)

But I *will* have to try that beta....

Re:Released?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389711)

I'm sorry but if that's a T3 you have some serious overcrowding problems...less then 10K a second off that and I can get over 100 from a friend on cable, should have kept your brittany spears [ithumbz.com] pictures up.

The obvious question... (2, Interesting)

earthforce_1 (454968) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389481)

How does it stack up against Star Office 6.0 Beta?

A side by side feature comparison would be nice...

The obvious answer (4, Insightful)

ekrout (139379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389512)

Here's an SAT-style analogy:

StarOffice OpenOffice as

Netscape 6.x Mozilla

It's as simple as that.

Re:The obvious question... (5, Informative)

rb2297 (56465) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389517)

Staroffice 6.0 beta and Open Office 638C are the same build. Sun simply added some licensed software to it and bundled it. At least that is my understanding.

Ryan

Photos? (3, Insightful)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389482)

Maybe I'm just a visually-oriented person, but I would really like to see some photos of this thing in action before I take the time to download the latest version.

The article states that "Release 6 also gets rid of ... its annoying tendency to cover up all of the other windows you were working", but I can't seem to find any screenshots on their website or anywhere else. I have no doubt that the look & feel is similar to Microsoft's Office suite (also Corel's WordPerfect, but I digress) but I'd like to know if they got rid of their start-button oriented interface.

Anybody had this working and would be willing to GIMP a screenshot?

Re:Photos? (-1)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389736)

There are no screen shots of it because it only runs on Linux and Linux doesn't have support for taking screenshots.

I guess some guy could take a photo of his PC's screen with a digital camera, but then he'd have to reboot into Windows to get the photo onto his drive. Thats all probably a lot more work than any Open Source developer is willing to go through, complicated by the fact that most OS developer's fingers are too fat to operate the shutter button on digital cameras.

Re:Photos? (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389759)

It looks like this [sun.com]. Next time poke around a little bit.

(Oh, and for those who whine about that's StarOffice and not OpenOffice, let me iterate, THEY ARE THE SAME BUILD OF THE SAME SOFTWARE. Just like Mozilla & Netscape 6)

Re:Photos? (1, Informative)

stantron77 (466575) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389769)

Here [f2s.com]you go. It is the Windows version of StarOffice (I am at work), but it should be just about the same look and feel as the linux OpenOffice.

Re:Photos? (4, Informative)

Shandon (53512) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389783)

Here's a screenshot from the prior build 633. [orbdesigns.com] It clearly shows that the new version has a program oriented interface rather than the extended desktop with a Napoleon complex that was StarOffice 5.2.

This new interface is shared with StarOffice 6.0 Beta, and it's pretty clean and functional. I've been playing with both for the last couple of days, and I'm reasonably impressed.

Note - the document open in the screenshot is an imported 1.5 Meg Word file with 37 images, footnotes, comments, revisioning, styles and formatting and everything else brought in just dandy.

Re:Photos? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389801)

The start-button interface is what they got rid of (a long time ago). That's the Star Office Desktop.

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15 hours on a 500 MHz machine? (1)

maddogsparky (202296) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389494)

I sure hope you can download executables that run without a hitch. That is no small potatoes for most users.

Re:15 hours on a 500 MHz machine? (1)

Snootch (453246) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389565)

Of course you can - I got the "latest" off their site yesterday, and it came in nice binary form...pity about the huge disk usage though (even for the binaries). I've had to clear out a lot of crud to make enough space.

Re:15 hours on a 500 MHz machine? (-1)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389749)

I've had to clear out a lot of crud to make enough space

But if you removed Linux how will you run this app?

Re:15 hours on a 500 MHz machine? (1)

z)bandito(_X (243059) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389823)

between 15 hour compile times and 20 second load times the average user isn't going to see a huge advantage to this suite unless they are already in support of the open source movement. i realize that these programs have different aims, but one of the nice things about stickies on the mac or notepad on windows (not that it compares to stickies), aside from being built in, is that it launches in around 1 second. sometimes you just need to get it down. hopefully with further modularization of this program, we can see the option for similar load times for simple text entry by loading all formatting functions on demand.

Mixup???? (3, Redundant)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389500)

As far as I can tell (and I ran to OpenOffice.org) Open Office 6.0 *HAS NOT* been released. I think someone is mixing up the Star Office 6.0 BETA with Open Office (the SO Beta is based on the last OO build)

2 Years and Version 6! (1)

AX.25 (310140) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389503)

Wow! And Linux is still at 2.4, windows is so high they stopped counting and started using letters!

:)

Uhhh.. no. (5, Informative)

Majix (139279) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389505)

Open Office 6 was not released on wednesday. They released a build called Open Office 6 beta 638c. It's more like a milestone release on the way to a proper version 6. Sort of like what mozilla does. The final version isn't scheduled for some time yet, see the roadmap [openoffice.org].

Good load time? (3, Insightful)

morris57 (23356) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389509)

I can't believe that 20 seconds on a 500 Mhz machine is a good load time for a word processor!

This is the sort of thing that will be thrown in my face when I try to tell people to give OpenOffice a shot.

Re:Good load time? (4, Informative)

ekrout (139379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389535)

Unfortunately (actually, it's a good thing), no single company controls the Linux desktop/operating system, so we therefore can't make some `Start-up Wizard' that loads when the OS boots-up and makes start time 4 times faster (think M$FT Windows/Office).

Re:Good load time? (4, Interesting)

praedor (218403) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389649)

Kword starts in seconds. Wordperfect for linux starts in seconds. Lyx starts in seconds. Abiword starts in seconds. StarOffice/OpenOffice starts in many, MANY seconds.


Sorry, no excuses. There is no inherent reason that a wordprocessor should take that long to startup, regardless of what libs it uses.

Re:Good load time? (4, Informative)

spectecjr (31235) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389802)

Unfortunately (actually, it's a good thing), no single company controls the Linux desktop/operating system, so we therefore can't make some `Start-up Wizard' that loads when the OS boots-up and makes start time 4 times faster (think M$FT Windows/Office)

What the hell are you talking about?

The only thing that Office has ever done on boot-up (and only the first time you run it) is to run BIND and WALIGN on all of its files -- which takes all of the DLL's entry points and binds them to the other DLLs they use with a timestamp, so if anything changes it can use the older mechanism.

This kind of thing has been available to all Windows developers for years. I use it myself; it makes your apps load pretty much instantaneously instead of taking forever.

Of course, this annoys my bosses when they want to insert splash screens... which annoys me when they tell me "put it up for 5 seconds regardless".

Simon

Re:Good load time? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389548)

I know. MS Word XP only takes me 6 seconds to load on my 500 MHz Athlon. Although I do wonder how long it would take if I didn't load parts of it into memory beforehand.

20 second delay isolated! (5, Funny)

small_dick (127697) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389600)

...
int main()
{
// Performance Mods (B.G.; Microsoft Inc.)
// openOffice->launch();
unsigned long launch_time = gettimeofday()+20;
while(1)
{
// spin cpu to look busy
if( gettimeofday() == launch_time )
break;
}
openOffice->launch();
}

Re:Good load time? (1)

joescrooge (463146) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389742)

Do any of you all know how to read? It's called Star/OpenOffice. It's a bit more than just a wordprocessor...

Re:Good load time? (1)

morris57 (23356) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389788)

When I want to use one of the tools from Star/OpenOffice, I usually wnt to use them one at a time. Why should it load the spreadsheet part if all I want to do is type a document?

Maybe this is why it takes so long to load, which is something that you can't deny and shouldn't excuse.

Re:Good load time? (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389773)

Just do like Msft - resort to trickery & deception and preload it at boot time. Then your demo will appear in seconds.

Why doesn't anyone check the @#$@#$ URLs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389518)

Unless it's just my @home service blocking M$ competition, why doesn't anyone check to see if these URLs work?!

Here's a hint - THEY DON'T!

*Check* before posting. Please. Don't tease us like this.

Re:Why doesn't anyone check the @#$@#$ URLs? (2, Funny)

hublan (197388) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389543)

Here's a hint - THEY DON'T!

You're experiencing the magical "Slashdot effect" in action.

*Check* before posting. Please. Don't tease us like this.

Same applies to you.

Different from StarOffice 6.0? (2, Interesting)

Bilbo (7015) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389521)

Sheesh... Just installed the StarOffice 6.0 Beta on my system yesterday!

Does anyone know specifics on the differences between OpenOffice and StarOffice versions 6.0? I think that StarOffice is actually based on the new OpenOffice source code base. (Or, is it the other way around?) Theu look very similar. Are there significant technical or feature differences?

Re:Different from StarOffice 6.0? (3, Informative)

ekrout (139379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389558)

Read some of the comments above. They're basically the same piece of software (think Netscape 6.x / Mozilla analogy). "Staroffice 6.0 beta and Open Office 638C are the same build. Sun simply added some licensed software to it and bundled it."

Re:Different from StarOffice 6.0? (4, Interesting)

leperjuice (18261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389698)

You've (and others) have told us that StarOffice is to OpenOffice as Netscape is to Mozilla. But that tells us very little other than the fact that one is a derivative of the other.

The question is, what does StarOffice provide that is different? What licensed software has been included and how does it affect the suite?

Re:Different from StarOffice 6.0? (1)

praedor (218403) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389634)

How's the load time for SO 6.0? For OpenOffice it is monstrously slow. I uninstalled it due to this and the fact that it has a tendency to crash...a lot...particularly impress. After a lot of work designing a presentation only to have it crash and actually anihilate my presentation completely...out it went with the rest of the garbage.


Mirror of the mirrors page? (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389524)

I can't hit anything on openoffice.org (already slashdotted?). Anyone have the list of mirror download locations?

Re:Mirror of the mirrors page? (4, Informative)

Sir_Real (179104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389551)


Current Mirror Sites
Type URL Login Password Source Binaries Solver Maintainer
FTP ftp://openoffice:@ftp.ists.pwr.wroc.pl/ openoffice 633 (all platforms) 633 (all platforms) Bartek Maruszewski
FTP ftp://borft.student.utwente.nl/ 633, 627, 625, 617 633 (Linux, Win32), in 5 MB parts Michael Niblett*
HTTP http://borft.student.utwente.nl/openoffice/ 633, 627, 625, 617 633 (Linux, Win32), in 5 MB parts Michael Niblett*
HTTP http://sapi.vlsm.org/openoffice/ 633 (ZIP for Win32) Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim
FTP ftp://sapi.vlsm.org/openoffice/ 633 (ZIP for Win32) Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim
FTP ftp://sapi.vlsm.org/openoffice/ 633 (ZIP for Win32) in 1440000 byte parts Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim
HTTP http://sapi.vlsm.org/openoffice/win32split/ 633 (ZIP for Win32) in 1440000 byte parts Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim
HTTP http://office.qkaka.com/ * localized ZIP H.Z.
FTP ftp://ftp.3way.com.hk/ All current binaries, solver, and source; files in parts. Nelson Lau
FTP ftp://mirrors.unam.mx/pub/OpenOffice/ All current binaries and source, all platforms. Alfredo Aguayo.

Re:Mirror of the mirrors page? (2)

Sir_Real (179104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389566)

erm... yes... well slashdot apparently doesn't like less than greater than signs, which means the username and passwords for the ftp sites got filtered out... I believe that they are all "anonymous" and a blank password... Sorry for the confusion.

Andrew

Re:Mirror of the mirrors page? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389622)

mirror [ftp]

Lameness compression protector XP Take this lameness filter, I'll eat your pipes and kick your gzip !

Imagine... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389557)

Can you imagine a World Trade Center of these?

Promising? :) (2, Funny)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389574)

"When the project was opened two years ago, it was missing online help, spell-checking, and printing which had been based on proprietary commercial libraries. With release 6 the open source community has replaced these missing features."

"from the another-promising-one dept."

*Groan*. Yup, I actually have a version of a file explorer I'm coming out with. It doesn't open files or perform basic file operations, but the icons are there and they look pretty. I expect to have the "missing features" done, but it's GPL'd. That should mean something, right?

Com'on, it's "promising"!

Sick! (1, Troll)

ENOENT (25325) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389575)

Not to criticize the OpenOffice project, which is only trying to provide a reasonably-priced replacement for MS Office, but what the hell is so compicated about text documents and spreadsheets that it takes such a whomping code base to handle it?

It strikes me as sick that so much human effort is going into a piece of software that will be used primarily to create email attachments that can't be read by non-Office users, all of which will be essentially plain text but inflated in size by several times by the inefficient document format.

OK, I'm done ranting now. There's nothing to see here. More along.

Re:Sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389604)

Have you ever written an office suite with the features of either staroffice or ms office? If not, SHUT UP, if so, let's see it so we can judge for ourselves.

Re:Sick! (1)

ENOENT (25325) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389679)

Didn't your read my post? The issue isn't the difficulty of writing an office suite. The issue is all of the useless crap that goes into an office suite, and the fact that most users have no need (or even awareness) of all of it.

It's only the MS Marketing department that convinces users that they really can't live without Clippy and all of the other gee-whiz "innovations" since Word 4.0 (which was a pretty decent program that took 20 seconds to load on a Mac Classic).

Re:Sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389651)

I dunno, I downloaded SO6beta on whatever day it came out, and I opened a (fairly simple) Word document (just to see it work). The Word document was 32 KB, saved by Word 2000. I hit "Save As...", saved the file in native StarWriter format, and it was 8 KB. One quarter the size for the same document. Now, what were you saying about inefficient file formats?

Re:Sick! (2)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389797)

There are a couple of explanations for that. First of all, Word saves thing in Unicode which could double the size right there if StarOffice does not. Also, Word saves all the style information. I don't know what StarWriter actually saves.

Re:Sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389671)

Feel free to use WinWord 2.0 and Excel 2.2 -- 90% of the features of the current version with the exception of the stupid wizards, and it only takes 5MB or so of disk space.

Sun's Java office suites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389579)

A few years back Sun also bought some Java Office Suites. Since they haven't decided to do anything with them, they should release them as open source as well in case anyone would like to work on them/reuse code.

openoffice (5, Informative)

andy_from_nc (472347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389580)

I've not yet gotten the release but I'd have to say OpenOffice is a big improvement in many ways over StarOffice. Unfortunately, the build I got a month ago didn't allow conversion between html docs and swd (or whatever its called now), which really annoyed me. Its a toss up whether loosing that horrid desktop thing is worth it. (I like to publish everything I document as HTML).

It does seem to load substantially faster and run a tad more stable than Star Office did.

All in all I have pretty good luck converting to and from M$ Word. The changes are usually the same types of things that happen when switching the printer settings around on M$ Word.

Unfortunately, I've less luck with the Spreadsheet piece. It writes XLS files in a really weird format (I looked at it via biff view and via my project sourceforge.net/projects/poi) it doesn't always load properly and sometimes crashes excel.
(long story on the differences, too boring for here)...

So can you ditch Office and use OpenOffice -- not if you're a big spreadsheet user that needs to talk to Excel, but for most people -- definately!

(In open office's defence, they use glibole2 which is some of the nastiest looking C code I've ever seen -- see www.gnome.org. You have to expand about 20 layers of macros to even understand one line of code! Its a miracle they can write anything)

can you say segfault? (0, Flamebait)

Navarre (60169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389598)

All it does for me is segfault. Very exciting.

Re:can you say segfault? (2, Funny)

GeekBoy (10877) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389730)

Hey Mike!

Funny, it works for me. I've got the SO6 early access version 3 too if you are interested in trying that. BTW: I think I'm getting layed off so I don't think I'll be finishing that NLUG page any time soon :(

Sheldon.

Get it from Akamai (5, Informative)

TrumpetPower! (190615) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389615)

First, as others have noted, this is just another beta.

Having said that, if you want to get the sources, stop Slashdotting openoffice.org and get it from Akamai [akamai.net]. At least they've got the bandwidth to deal with the load.

b&

This article is wrong and misleading (2, Informative)

lonenut (165873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389619)

Star Office has released version 6.0 beta.
See the banner on Sun's homepage [sun.com]

OpenOffice is currently offering release 638
See www.openoffice.org [openoffice.org] for details.

Are they related? Yes. Are they the same? Certainly not!

Please try to clarify this point in the posted article!

last mirrored Release notes: spell checking, help, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389623)

http://sapi.vlsm.org/openoffice/

read last mirrored Release notes: yes it seems to have spell checking, help,etc...

Ecological niches (5, Interesting)

marm (144733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389638)

First of all, excellent to see that OpenOffice is out. The Free software community needs a solid heavyweight office suite with all the bells and whistles, and Open Office is shaping up to be exactly that.

I think we're also seeing the development of two quite distinct niches for Office software, at least on Linux and other Free *nix. Perhaps a little like the split used to be between MS Works and Office:

On the one hand, we have OpenOffice, a big heavyweight that has features pouring out of its ears, but which is not tremendously tightly integrated to any desktop, nor perhaps the most intuitive set of programs to use. It's also heavy on system resources and diskspace, but that's the price you pay for having all the bells and whistles.

On the other hand, there's the younger, lighter suites like KOffice. Leaner, faster, easier, and more tightly integrated with the desktop. At the same time, lacking a few features that may be necessary for some people, but satisfying the needs of an average Joe quite well.

It seems to me there's a place for both of these in the Linux desktop landscape, and frankly, I think this is great.

Or rather, it will be great once they can read each other's file formats ;)

open EVERYTHING? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389647)

got kode? you could endeavor to develop/promote your own worthwhile efforts, with this very descriptive set of URLs [opensourceworks.com], due to your ability to follow simple directions.

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Limerick (2)

575 (195442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389723)

There once was a company, Sun
Star Office, their package, claimed done
MS changed formats
So Sun is their doormat
And the work has only begun!

Hey, Sun! (-1, Troll)

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I just figured out what Nimda does (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2389725)

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This one's for Nimda! (-1, Troll)

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SO is great, I just wish... (1)

uriyan (176677) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389803)

... that it supported Hebrew. I saw some notice of Bi-Directional text display support, but Hebrew is not supported (neither in the documentation, nor in the released version). I just hope that someone adds at least basic support (even without a spell checker).

Freedom software for Windows... (5, Interesting)

Odinson (4523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389804)

Why aren't we bundling too. It is time.


Is there a freedom software distro for Microsoft Windows. Such a thing would be a great boon. They should be everywhere like AOL cd's.


Such a thing should include ...


OpenOffice, Mozilla, Gimp, Apache(not enabled by default), Perl And so on...


I mean really how many people would buy office XP if they had a shiny "new" cd sitting around with a free compatible equivilent. It is the perfect opportunity to move people to the apps, and then the OS looks much more tempting.


And no most people don't write vbs scripts in word they have enough trouble with fonts and margins.


Could some Linuxish orginiztion pick up the tab for the creation or shipping???

OpenOffice reads MS documents better than MS (5, Interesting)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 12 years ago | (#2389815)

Whether or not OpenOffice 6 has been released (apparently it has not); I can tell you that it is really starting to look good as an MS Office replacement.

I recently had a user with a corrupted MS Excel spreadsheet that would immediately crash Excel every time it was opened. I tried Excel 2000, Excel 97, Excel Viewer, and nothing worked.

So, I tried to open it with the Win32 version of OpenOffice build 638. Hmmm, so far so good - it opened with no problems. I saved it as a native OpenOffice document; reopened it in OpenOffice; and exported it as an Excel document. Finally, I tried to open it with Excel and it worked like a charm!

So if nothing else, OpenOffice makes a nifty file repairer for MS Office documents. ;-)

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