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Egypt's Oldest Pyramid Is Being Destroyed By Its Own Restoration Team

samzenpus posted about two weeks ago | from the this-won't-take-long dept.

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Taffykay writes The oldest pyramid in Egypt, the Pyramid of Djoserat Saqqara, is being destroyed by the very company the Egyptian government has hired to restore it. The roughly 4,600-year-old structure has been in trouble since an earthquake hit the region in 1992, but in a difficult political and economic climate for the country, those now tasked with preserving the pyramid are said to be doing more harm than good.

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Not to mention (-1)

rossdee (243626) | about two weeks ago | (#47832951)

Increasing erosion due to acid rain and global warming

... all in the name of "Allah" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833001)

We must not forget that Egypt is no longer the land of the pharaohs. It has become the land of the "Allah", where everything must either conform to Islam or die

In Afghanistan they destroyed thousand-year-old Buddha statues, because to them the statues were "against Allah"

What makes you think that they do not want to destroy the pyramids, for the same reason?

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833063)

Because it'd be pretty damned time consuming to destroy the great pyramids (all of them) and they aren't actively being worshipped as part of another religion so why would they care?

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833091)

Except that's exactly what a few of them want.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iv-drip/destroy-the-sphinx-and-the-pyramids-says-egyptian-jihadist-8306477.html

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833205)

But there's a god bigger than "allah", "Christ", "zarathustra" and any other one you want to name, it's called moneey, and the pyramids bring a lot of money to them, so, I don't think they are going to destroy them

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (1)

tsqr (808554) | about two weeks ago | (#47834133)

But there's a god bigger than "allah", "Christ", "zarathustra" and any other one you want to name, it's called moneey, and the pyramids bring a lot of money to them, so, I don't think they are going to destroy them

Yes, Islamic fundamentalists are quite the promoters of foreign tourism. That's why so many sightseers are queuing up to view the ancient wonders of Afghanistan [colostate.edu] .

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (2)

gatkinso (15975) | about two weeks ago | (#47833429)

Stop being rational!

I say that because the people under discussion banned paper bags in their country... simply because a recycled paper bag *might* contain a fiber or two from a Koran... so rational discourse is clearly irrelevant.

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (3, Interesting)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833105)

What makes you think that they do not want to destroy the pyramids, for the same reason?

How about all those tourism dollars? Egypt isn't some moneyless failed backwater state, their tourism industry generates around $13 billion a year, more than the entire GDP of Afghanistan in 2002.

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833243)

Umm... the fundamentalists are out again, and the military is back in power, like it used to be. They have a new dictator, and Westerners may dislike the idea of that, but it is probably the best form of government in Egypt at this moment.

Re:... all in the name of "Allah" (1)

Sentrion (964745) | about two weeks ago | (#47834089)

Unfortunately, some parts of the world just aren't ready for democracy.

Re:Not to mention (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833071)

yes, so lets raise taxes on everyone 1000%.. that'll fix it.

Re:Not to mention (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about two weeks ago | (#47833613)

I would worry less about global warming and more about the ignorant descendents of those once great Egyptians, who are today practicing a religion that could very well lead them to one day soon decide to demolish [telegraph.co.uk] these relics because their 6th-century child-molesting prophet said they were idolatrous.

Re:Not to mention (2)

Ogi_UnixNut (916982) | about two weeks ago | (#47833737)

Based on what I've read (and talked to Egyptians). the closest original descendents of the Egyptians that built those pyramids are the modern day Coptic Christians (whose numbers in Egypt are ever dwindling nowadays). Via their trade with Byzantium and other other Christian nations at the time, the Pharoes and their subjects converted slowly over to Christianity. The muslims are a result of the Arab hoards that invaded and laid waste to the area back in the day. Once their conquest was done they settled and now are the dominant people there. They have little to do with the original Egyptians and their civilization.

Re:Not to mention (2)

Sentrion (964745) | about two weeks ago | (#47834149)

So what you're saying is that there was a group of people minding their own business who built pyramids, but a horde of violent, religious fanatics showed up on horseback, took their lands, scattered the indigenous people, destroyed their civilization, took charge and settled the area in massive numbers that over the centuries crowded out the indigenous peoples, all while trying to force them to convert at the point of a sword. And in recent years the conqueror's descendents have been making money showing off the pyramids as part of a major tourist industry. Why do I feel like I've heard this happening elsewhere?

Why SPAM? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47832975)

can anybody tell me why this article is marked SPAM?

http://slashdot.org/submission/3822265/e-cigarette-warnings-are-alarmist

Re:Why SPAM? (3, Informative)

rebelwarlock (1319465) | about two weeks ago | (#47832991)

Maybe because you keep spamming the fucking link everywhere, dumbass.

Oldest stone complex? (5, Insightful)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about two weeks ago | (#47832981)

Saqqara, in Egypt, is the oldest stone complex ever built by humans

Uh uh...what does that mean? Even Skara Brae is older, and that definitely qualifies as a "stone complex", unless I got horribly wrong what that means, not to mention the assorted individual older monuments in Europe, the Mediterranean, or Asia Minor.

Re:Oldest stone complex? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833173)

This happens when writers compulsively replace words with what they think are synonyms. Some writer with thesaurus OCD didn't want to use the word pyramid twice.

Re:Oldest stone complex? (1)

benjfowler (239527) | about two weeks ago | (#47833279)

The Muslims are flattering themselves. There are stone structures all over Europe far more ancient than anything in the Middle East.

Re:Oldest stone complex? (1, Offtopic)

CxDoo (918501) | about two weeks ago | (#47833653)

Tell me more about those Muslims from 4000+ years ago.

Btw, citation needed. For example, beat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe/ [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Oldest stone complex? (3, Insightful)

denzacar (181829) | about two weeks ago | (#47833881)

It means that inhabitat and gizmodo are not what one might call "reliable" or "fact checked" sources of information.

The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (4, Informative)

Chrisq (894406) | about two weeks ago | (#47833011)

Egyptian Muslims have already called for the destruction of the pyramids and the sphinx [independent.co.uk] , juts like the Buddhas of Bamiyan [wikipedia.org] .

The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833035)

If it ever came even close to this, I think the international community should do something about it. It's not just their heritage, it's everybody's heritage. They don't have the right to wipe out a significant piece of preserved history.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833133)

If it ever came even close to this, I think the international community should do something about it. It's not just their heritage, it's everybody's heritage. They don't have the right to wipe out a significant piece of preserved history.

Seems the international community did fuck-all to prevent that from happening in Iraq with ISIS destroying ancient buildings, so I seriously doubt intervention would happen here.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833213)

Seems the international community did fuck-all to prevent that from happening in Iraq with ISIS destroying ancient buildings, so I seriously doubt intervention would happen here.

The pyramids are pretty iconic. Whatever building were destroyed in Iraq weren't.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833335)

By the time the international community is finished meeting and discussing what to do the pyramids will long be destroyed

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (2)

I'm New Around Here (1154723) | about two weeks ago | (#47833381)

And replaced with inflatable replicas.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833719)

ooooo! I hope they're the bouncy kind!

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (2)

roccomaglio (520780) | about two weeks ago | (#47833901)

On of the buildings destroyed in Iraq was Jonah's tomb http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com] . You know the guy from the bible that was swallowed by the whale. I would say that is pretty iconic.

Seems the international community did fuck-all to prevent that from happening in Iraq with ISIS destroying ancient buildings, so I seriously doubt intervention would happen here.

The pyramids are pretty iconic. Whatever building were destroyed in Iraq weren't.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

MightyYar (622222) | about two weeks ago | (#47833535)

Nah, I'm going to go uncharacteristically Ron Paul here and say that I'd rather not blow up people to save ancient tombs. It would be a tragedy, but human life is more important.

Re: The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833677)

This message screams, "I AM AN AMERICAN!" more than you can imagine...

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (4, Insightful)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833139)

That's just a single quote from one extremist, and unlike in Afghanistan he that doesn't have any power in Egypt. Even the ultraconservative Salafist political party only wanted the statues covered, not destroyed.

Suggesting that normal Egyptian Muslims are calling for the destruction of the pyramids is extremely dishonest; It's a bit like linking to a Westboro Baptist protest and claiming "American Christians are calling for the repression of homosexuals".

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (3, Insightful)

Mashiki (184564) | about two weeks ago | (#47833219)

Suggesting that normal Egyptian Muslims are calling for the destruction of the pyramids is extremely dishonest; It's a bit like linking to a Westboro Baptist protest and claiming "American Christians are calling for the repression of homosexuals".

Let's look at the region shall we? Ah forget it, let's look at normal muslims in general. You've got large swaths of sunni's in europe supporting groups like isis. You've got a wide swath across other countries like the uae, saudi arabia and kuwait, including the ultra rich in countries like kuwait and the uae sending money to them. You've got people from all over this rock flocking to support them, and their actions, and their goals.

It's not dishonest, there's something fundamentally broken with many muslims when they're lining up to support a 7th century mentality.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1, Interesting)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833303)

According to Wikipedia ISIS has around 100,000 people fighting for it. The world's Muslim population is around 1.6 billion. Therefore ISIS contains 0.006% of the world's Muslims fighting for it.

Interestingly that's around the same percentage of the US population (0.006%) who were convicted of murder in 1994 (source [bjs.gov] ), so is Islam really any more broken than, for example, 1994 America?

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (5, Informative)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | about two weeks ago | (#47833343)

In 1994 there were 23,730 homicides in the USA source [nytimes.com] .

Isis are responsible for way more than 23,730 deaths source [wikipedia.org] .

Read in to that what you like :)

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

Drethon (1445051) | about two weeks ago | (#47833399)

Estimates of the number of Iraq solders killed appear to be more than 23,730 deaths http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... [wikipedia.org]

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

Drethon (1445051) | about two weeks ago | (#47833405)

Bah... Iraq soldiers killed by US allied forces.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833625)

In 1994 there were 23,730 homicides in the USA source [nytimes.com] .

Isis are responsible for way more than 23,730 deaths source [wikipedia.org] .

Read in to that what you like :)

 
  In 1994 the US population was 263 million. (1.6billion / 263 million) * 23730 = 144365, almost bang on middle of the estimate range in the Wikipedia article you linked.

Re: The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833701)

But you flipped one of your fractions over...

Re: The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833791)

But you flipped one of your fractions over...

No, I didn't. 144365/1600000000 (murders by "Islamic State" divided by Muslim population) = 23730/263000000 (murders in america divided by american population). Where is the flipped fraction?

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about two weeks ago | (#47833839)

In 1994 there were 23,730 homicides in the USA source [nytimes.com] .

Isis are responsible for way more than 23,730 deaths source [wikipedia.org] .

Read in to that what you like :)

In 1994 the US population was 263 million. (1.6billion / 263 million) * 23730 = 144365, almost bang on middle of the estimate range in the Wikipedia article you linked.

But you're using the world's Muslim population for the crimes of ISIS but only the US population for the crimes of the USA. A more realistic figure would be the number of Islamic state (100,000) rather than the whole muslim population, or inlcude all murders by Muslims anywhere in the world.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833785)

First of all those 23,700 homicides were carried out by around 15,800 people. Scaled up to the size of ISIS (100,000) that makes the equivalent of 150,000 murders in one year.

Secondly where are the annual ISIS figures in that link? The figures quoted by Wikipedia are the combined total, over several years of the conflict, of deaths caused by ISIS, other rebel groups (that the west was so desperate to support) and pro-government forces.

Re: The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47834019)

If you put thousands of murderers together in an organized operation, they'll be much more effective?
No shit.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

ganjadude (952775) | about two weeks ago | (#47834109)

and how many are sympathetic to ISIS? to me, they are no better than ISIS

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (2)

tsqr (808554) | about two weeks ago | (#47834163)

Therefore ISIS contains 0.006% of the world's Muslims fighting for it.

In other words, they won't be missed.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

dywolf (2673597) | about two weeks ago | (#47833941)

The bigots are awake early this morning.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (2)

K. S. Kyosuke (729550) | about two weeks ago | (#47833257)

That's just a single quote from one extremist

Not exactly. Destruction of ancient monuments in Egypt by Muslims and Christians has been sporadically taking place throughout the last two millennia. Where do you think the casing stones of the Great Pyramid ended up? They used them to build the mosques of Cairo. It's great when you can kill two birds with one stone, build your own temples, and simultaneously defile monuments of the cursed pagan religion of old.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833317)

There wasn't a lot of tourism (or respect for monuments by anyone) in 1356, only the most hard-line extremist would want to get rid of the cash-cows that are the pyramids today.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (3, Interesting)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about two weeks ago | (#47833327)

Where do you think the casing stones of the Great Pyramid ended up?

IIRC, they were taken by looters and builders because they were marble and gold.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

Cardoor (3488091) | about two weeks ago | (#47833811)

right on. i just replied saying basically the same thing (not having seen your response).

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is NOT Islam (1)

Peter Simpson (112887) | about two weeks ago | (#47834039)

This is important: terrorists who claim to be fighting for Islam...are criminals using religion as an excuse and justification for their crimes.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

ganjadude (952775) | about two weeks ago | (#47834105)

while correct, anyone who does want to destroy the pyramids, or other historic landmarks should be destroyed first. We understand not all muslims are bad, but we need the good ones to stand with us or get out of the way.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47834173)

Since when did "conspiracy to commit iconoclasm" become a capital offence?

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

Necroloth (1512791) | about two weeks ago | (#47833203)

The problem is the hard liners that are either in power or the most loud... for instance they have demolished the homes of Muhammed and his wives etc which is disappointing to many who value the culture and heritage

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (-1, Flamebait)

Charliemopps (1157495) | about two weeks ago | (#47833237)

Egyptian Muslims have already called for the destruction of the pyramids and the sphinx [independent.co.uk] , juts like the Buddhas of Bamiyan [wikipedia.org] .

A couple of nut jobs does not equal "Egyptian Muslims"

I could use the same logic to say "American Christians lynch blacks!" or "American leftists bomb universities!"

The Muslim religion is the largest in the world, and the vast majority of Muslims don't murder, rape, terrorize, etc... I suspect that in 50yrs time people will look back on this time in Muslim history in the same way we now look back on the civil rights movement. The only difference will be, American Christians killed a lot more people in a lot more barbaric ways.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (4, Insightful)

benjfowler (239527) | about two weeks ago | (#47833295)

That's BS. There are 2.5+ billion Christians in the world. 1.2 billion Muslims.

Getting tired of reading the same old lies and fabricated statistics about Islam being the biggest/fastest growing religion.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (4, Informative)

Amtrak (2430376) | about two weeks ago | (#47833455)

Let's not forget that Christians and Muslims are both religions with divergent sects. As such it might be helpful to see the following list:

  • Christians (General) 2.5+ Billion
  • Catholic Church: 1.2 Billion
  • Islam (General): 1.2 Billion
  • Sunni Islam: 0.9 Billion
  • Protestantism: 0.8 Billion
  • Shia Islam: 0.3 Billion
  • Eastern Orthodox (Christian): 0.25 Billion
  • Other Christian: 0.2 Billion

By that account the Catholic Church is still the biggest religion.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about two weeks ago | (#47833459)

More like 2.1B Crhistians and 1.6B Muslims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

Either way, lots of deluded people IMO.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | about two weeks ago | (#47834017)

Actually, Christianity is the biggest/fastest growing religion in China. And as I've said before and I'll say it again. The last thing the Islamists (ISIS) want to piss off is the Chinese. The really really don't want to go there!

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

dj245 (732906) | about two weeks ago | (#47834175)

Actually, Christianity is the biggest/fastest growing religion in China. And as I've said before and I'll say it again. The last thing the Islamists (ISIS) want to piss off is the Chinese. The really really don't want to go there!

China has no love for followers of Jesus. The only way ISIS will piss off China is if they order weapons from China and don't leave positive feedback on Alibaba.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

hooiberg (1789158) | about two weeks ago | (#47833793)

Even though the vast majority of muslims do not rape and plunder and murder, a recent poll suggested that three quarters of muslims approve of what muslims extremists are doing. Muslims who go on jihad-holiday are considered heroes by many muslims. It is a bit like in the second world war. Somebody else makes his hands dirty 'und wir haben es nicht gewuest'.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (2)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833879)

a recent poll suggested that three quarters of muslims approve of what muslims extremists are doing.

What poll?

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (4, Insightful)

hairyfeet (841228) | about two weeks ago | (#47833293)

It is how Neil Degrasse Tyson said when talking about how religion can kill progress "The Arab world was the center of science and mathematics for centuries, and then came Islam", you simply cannot compare Islam to any other major religion as the other religions grew up, Islam didn't. When was the last time you heard of Jews stoning rape victims? Read about any Christians chopping the hands off thieves lately? But it wouldn't take me even 5 minutes worth of Googling to wallpaper this page with horror after horror, not only not condemned but condoned by Islamic states.

At the end of the day the other religions went through this centuries ago and that time was rightly called the dark ages, and until Muslims stand up and refuse to accept such atrocities committed in the name of their God all we can do is get as much of history as we can out of their hands and document all that we can't. As we have seen in Iraq and Afghanistan anything that doesn't have the name of the prophet on it WILL end up destroyed just as religious leaders during the dark ages took priceless ancient Greek books and reused the pages to make prayer books to their God.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing anybody could ever do for humanity is take every single religious text and destroy them, the evil they cause far outweighs the good.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833407)

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing anybody could ever do for humanity is take every single religious text and destroy them, the evil they cause far outweighs the good.

Are you implying secularists and atheists never destroyed anything?

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (2, Informative)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833911)

It is how Neil Degrasse Tyson said when talking about how religion can kill progress "The Arab world was the center of science and mathematics for centuries, and then came Islam"

You mean the Islamic golden age [wikipedia.org] ? Which many consider to have ended at the destruction of Baghdad by the Mongols [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

dywolf (2673597) | about two weeks ago | (#47834005)

Just 4 weeks ago Israel bombed kids on a beach.
Everyday I see multiple posts on facebook how good christians should support killing all the muslims.
You hide your bigotry behind a dislike for all religions in order to bash Islam, but its still bigotry.

At the end of the day the reality is most people on all sides are decent folks, and its only the worthless extremist scum, of which you are a part, that we need fear.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (0)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about two weeks ago | (#47833311)

The pyramids were not built for tourism / restoration / fanatic attack and the etc. The restoration is ,in one perspective futile. Nature took its path in creating them and it will in destroying them. Restoring monuments with the sole motive of tourism income is quite foolish .

I love justice . It's just that it's .. impossible.

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

ericloewe (2129490) | about two weeks ago | (#47833661)

Nature took its path in creating them? What have you been smoking???

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

invictusvoyd (3546069) | about two weeks ago | (#47833723)

Evolution of humans and civilizations is a natural phenomenon. Monuments are one of the consequences of this phenomenon. So is global warming , extinction of certain species and also, the effort at respecting "mother earth"

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Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (4, Insightful)

Cardoor (3488091) | about two weeks ago | (#47833789)

It's a real shame this has been upmodded. Saying 'Egyptian Muslims' have called for the pyramid's destruction, when in fact, it was one egyptian jihadist is like saying "American Christians" call for the eradication of All Non-White Humans just because one ex-con neo-nazi in wisconsin with a youtube channel calls for it. Your statement is inflammatory, bigoted, and shamefully racist.

Secondly, and a bit off-topic - while i find it abhorrent that the taliban destroyed the buddha statues, after spending a lot of time in southeast asia and visiting many buddhist temples (and being very appreciate of the teachings of the buddha), i always find it remarkably paradoxical that all these statues of buddha exist. They are a part of our human cultural history and should be absolutely preserved, but we should learn from the paradox they present. What many people don't know is that (according to the story), before the buddha died, he left a few explicit statements and instructions.. 1) hey y'all... im NOT coming back. don't wait for a second coming. im OUT. 2) DON'T make any statues of me. im not a god. i don't want to be worshipped. seriously. and 3) if you MUST do something.. you can go visit 4 places that i dig.. birthplace, deathplace, where he achieved enlightenment, and the deer park where he gave his first teaching. (ive been to 3 of the 4 fyi).

people just can't help themselves.. we get a genuinely inspired and evolved human being, he leaves instructions, and people twist and distort it to the point it becomes a religion used to manipulate people instead of inspire to evolve. It's a curious thing that all the 'teachers' that came basically said the same thing.. Judaeo/Christian ten commandments.. don't make graven images.... Islam: Don't make images of the Prophet Muhammed.. Buddhism - no statues. Maybe their original message was the same.. not don't do these things or suffer retribution.. but dont do these things because by doing so, you're missing the point. As the saying goes, 'the finger is not the moon.'

lastly, i like to joke that after buddha died, people looked at each other and said "you know.. he DID say no statues... but did he say no GOLDEN or GIANT statues??? obviously he'd be cool with that! huzzah!"

Re:The biggest risk to the pyramids is Islam (1)

luis_a_espinal (1810296) | about two weeks ago | (#47833929)

Egyptian Muslims have already called for the destruction of the pyramids and the sphinx [independent.co.uk] , juts like the Buddhas of Bamiyan [wikipedia.org] .

A few radicals =/= an entire country/culture. But don't let that get in the way of a good old generalization.

Excellent opportunity... (2)

sys64764 (1109873) | about two weeks ago | (#47833079)

to build a new one that can resist earthquakes?

Re:Excellent opportunity... (5, Funny)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about two weeks ago | (#47833473)

Yeah! With blackjack! And hookers!

Re:Excellent opportunity... (0)

Cardoor (3488091) | about two weeks ago | (#47833827)

deserves a 'funny upvote' - but im out of points :)

difficult, hahaha (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about two weeks ago | (#47833125)

but in a difficult political and economic climate for the country,

Yeah, maybe if they would let some competent people into the country to deal with the pyramids again, this wouldn't happen.

Re:difficult, hahaha (2)

Cardoor (3488091) | about two weeks ago | (#47833859)

we can also design their government healthcare website for them

Re:difficult, hahaha (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about two weeks ago | (#47834043)

we can also design their government healthcare website for them

I sure wouldn't hand the job over to our federal government... or to one of its contractors.

a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833149)

Looking at that picture I wonder how people can be so amazed by it. Pyramids I mean... They're supposed to be some Grand Feat or something but that doesn't look that difficult. They got 10's of thousands of people together and laid some stones... whoop-de-do. Doesn't even sound hard other than the heat (which was called fucking life back then, cause no one had air conditioning). Considering that it was made with slave labor, makes it even less impressive. There's these steps in northern california, laid by like 80 japanese slave laborers like 100 years ago... They carved the steps right into the damn mountain, up nearly a mile in altitude, twisting and winding, and looking at it from the bottom it is clear that it couldn't have been done without slave labor (2 people died). That shit was impressive... and useful... it overlooks this really huge valley...it's an amazing view. It'll still be useful in 6000 years...unlike some tomb for some king.
So why do we give a shit about these things? These things which was like a really common thing back then (using slaves to build castles and walls and all kind of stone stuff).... these things which we wholly disapprove of socially now....
I mean besides history... besides remembering that we were once terrible people so that we never become that again, other than that, what's the point of pyramids? why should we give a shit?

Re:a shame but... (5, Informative)

AC-x (735297) | about two weeks ago | (#47833183)

The pyramids being made by slave labour is something of a myth. There's not much evidence available for early pyramids, but there's plenty of evidence that later pyramids were made by skilled craftsmen [wikipedia.org] and not slaves.

Re:a shame but... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833227)

I don't know about slaves specifically but among serfs in northern Europe it was not uncommon to find skilled craftsmen.

Slave and skilled craftsman is not mutually exclusive and there is nothing that says that one can't be both.

Re:a shame but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833463)

It rather seems that largely during the fertile seasons most of the population would farm the land, and during the unfertile seasons the same would go to work on the pyramids. Doing that every year for decades, they'd all become skilled craftsmen.

Re:a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833629)

Irrelevant in this case. Those that worked on the pyramids were honored in their community. They were extremely well paid, fed, and cared for. If that's slavery, then sign me up.

Re:a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47834141)

"extremely well paid, fed, and cared for" is relative.

Southern slaves in the pre-American Civil War South were considered to be "extremely well paid, fed, and cared for".

Re:a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833505)

My boss keeps reminding me that I'm not his slave. In his times, on the other hand...

Re:a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833591)

The strong belief is that the pyramids were built by the Egyptian population during the dry season when normal activities (farming, for example) was put on hold. A part of the pyramid was, of course, to immortalize the person to whom it was dedicated but it was also to keep the population active and thus out of trouble. So, yeah, no slaves.

Re:a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47834137)

If that's impressive, then so are crop circles... clearly they take people a lot of time to do, and they're neat but I still say meh.

Re:a shame but... (3, Interesting)

CxDoo (918501) | about two weeks ago | (#47833247)

Looking out through airplane window and realizing a dark patch between city lights of Cairo was actually a pyramid was a mystical experience for me. Having to stand at least a kilometer away to comfortably grasp the whole too.

Size does matter, or as comrade Stalin would say, quantity in itself is a quality. And it was anything but easy, otherwise structures of such size would be built more often in 4000 years since. They truly are a marvel.

Sphinx, though, is overrated.

Re:a shame but... (1)

khr (708262) | about two weeks ago | (#47833553)

Size does matter

That's only when the your ally is not the Force.

Re:a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833315)

Point is, it wasn't really common back then. Those pyramids are were the first large structures the Egyptian civilization managed to build. The labour may not be impressive to you, but the sheer organization of it impresses me. All those slaves (if slaves they were) have to be fed and managed, and the civilization has to have enough spare food to take the construction workers away from the fields. Also: no iron tools when the pyramids where built, and probably no developed hoists and cranes. Remember, these are ancient structures, not from the middle ages.

Re:a shame but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833461)

Plus where did they poop?

Re:a shame but... (3, Informative)

stephanruby (542433) | about two weeks ago | (#47833581)

Looking at that picture I wonder how people can be so amazed by it.

That's exactly the problem. Pyramids are like the Grand Canyon. Modern photography may have gotten super good at capturing a likeness of their image, but nothing actually beats going there in person and seeing those things in real life!

Doesn't even sound hard other than the heat (which was called fucking life back then, cause no one had air conditioning).

Actually, don't believe your hollywood movies, Egypt was lush with vegetation and had plenty water (which provided its own natural air conditioning during the time those pyramids were built). Please read this article [pyramids-of-egypt.com] and this article [pyramids-of-egypt.com] .

Considering that it was made with slave labor, makes it even less impressive.

Yes, that was the totally unproven interpretation of the Europeans when they first visited Egypt. And as another poster already replied (and provided a reference), they're now finding physical evidence that this wasn't actually the case.

There's these steps in northern california, laid by like 80 japanese slave laborers like 100 years ago...

If you think the work of 80 laborers 100 years ago is equivalent to the work of ~10,000 laborers ~7,000 years ago, then that's your choice. Personally, I can't even visualize a period of 7,000 years. So if you're not impressed by several supremely huge man-made structures that have stood the test of time for 7,000+ years, then let's just agree to disagree because I am surely impressed by them.

Page-lengthening and page-widening post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833169)

Her body measurements are perfect in every dimension,
She's got a figure that's sho' 'nuff gettin' attention.
She's poetry in motion, a beautiful sight to see;
I get so excited viewin' her anatomy.

blatant typo in title!!! (1)

Pax681 (1002592) | about two weeks ago | (#47833177)

"The Step Pyramid of Djoserat Saqqara"

should be "The Step Pyramid of Djoser at Saqqara"
spotted it as soon as I saw it..., very poor error to make indeed

Re:blatant typo in title!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833349)

OMG, an errant space! Stop everything!

Re:blatant typo in title!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833445)

Fuck me dead! That makes all the difference.

First rule of construction (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833261)

Gravity wins every time! Try to find a pyramid fixer in the yellow pages. Oh, here it is Joe's pyramid restoration. It says established 2000BC.

Way oh way oh ..... way oh way oh (1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833333)

Bork like an Egyptian

Mayan temples too (4, Interesting)

tomhath (637240) | about two weeks ago | (#47833497)

Many of the early Mayan and Aztec structures in Latin America have been "restored" in the name of tourism to make them more comfortable. Nicer steps, higher doorways, etc. They're not as well known as the Egyptian pyramids but every bit as historically significant.

troLlkore (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about two weeks ago | (#47833689)

to survive at all legitImise doing
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