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Daemon News Publishing FreeBSD CDs

michael posted about 13 years ago | from the keep-the-bits-flowing dept.

BSD 24

LordGibson writes: " is taking up some of the slack following Wind River's massive layoffs of FreeBSD developers. 'Daemon News has been a BSD organization from day one. We are now happy to announce that we will be publishing our own FreeBSD CD sets, beginning with the next release, 4.5, scheduled for January 2002. We offer CD subscriptions, and our subscription plans can be for any desired combination of FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Darwin. Since the FreeBSD Mall isn't offering subscriptions any more, you can get your BSD fix from us--at a better price, too.' You can read all about it here or jump for joy and go directly to the subscriptions page."

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Nice to see the community coming together (3, Insightful)

General_Corto (152906) | about 13 years ago | (#2407113)

Now that direct corporate support for open source projects in general appears to be waning (what with this and other cutbacks taking place), it's good to have the community take up the slack.

At least we as a group can remember our roots, and return to them, rather than doing the human equivalent of exploding in a blaze of chapter 11.

off topic? (2)

Laplace (143876) | about 13 years ago | (#2407219)

Ok, I think that FreeBSD is cool. I like the notion of a predictable OS layout. However, I can't get my PCI modem (it is not a winmodem) to work. All of the documentation for setting the kernel up is old, and not applicable to the most recent releases of FreeBSD. The main reason I keep SuSE on my PC at home is because it works right out of the box. Any FreeBSD advocates out there who could help a BSD newbie out?

Congrats on finding a new publisher!

Re:off topic? (3, Insightful)

Arandir (19206) | about 13 years ago | (#2407350)

The best place for these kinds of questions is Warning: this is a high traffic mailing list. Archives are also available.

Re:off topic? (1)

akharon (4824) | about 13 years ago | (#2408013)

I can't say about the modem, the list archives are the best place for that. About the kernel though, go to the freebsd handbook [] and you'll find the latest instructions on kernel compilation.

Re:off topic? (1)

CentrX (50629) | about 13 years ago | (#2408468)

Since when is FreeBSD the only OS with a predictable layout, and since when is that a novel notion?

Re:off topic? (0)

media.darling (411398) | about 13 years ago | (#2409651)

Ah, modems! PCI, too! Maybe the handbook has something which would cover this ( ): mostly, you make sure that PnP is built into the kernel (I THINK it is in GENERIC), you make sure that the interface matching your modem (com port, irq, drq, io, whatnot) actually matches and you . . . okay, so I'm lost here, I have an ethernet connection to the internet. Anyway, it's in the handbook.

The problem is (2)

Laplace (143876) | about 13 years ago | (#2410735)

Go to the bsd newsgroups and mailing lists. Search for pci modem. You get the same response every time. "Is it a winmodem? Non-winmodems should work fine." Then there is no indication as to what the hell one should do to get a modem (like the 3Com 5610) to work. Same song and dance with no new info.

The handbook has something to say about the kernel configuration, but it is out of date.

Oh well.

Re:The problem is (3, Informative)

elbuddha (148737) | about 13 years ago | (#2411336)

The handbook has something to say about the kernel configuration, but it is out of date.

I don't currently see anything out of date regarding kernel configuration in the handbook. What specifically are you referring to?

As for your modem, it should "work" just like any other serial device.

Make sure you have sio0 through sio3 in your kernel. Since you haven't been successful in configuring a new kernel, you are probably still using GENERIC, which by default disables sio2 and sio3. Enable them and build a new kernel.

If your modem is on sio3, be sure to set the irq of the modem to 2.

Then check to make sure it is being found during boot: Set verbose_loading="YES" in /boot/loader.conf, reboot, then do a grep sio /var/run/dmesg.boot

If it is being found, can you connect to the modem via command line (man tip) and isssue commands to it?

These steps should give you help you gather more information on what, exactly, isn't "working" about your modem. With that information, you should be able to ask more specific questions to newsgroups/lists, and probably get more helpful responses.

Re:off topic? (1)

jasonrfink (193522) | about 13 years ago | (#2413777)

step one, recompile the kernel (that documentation is still up to date :) and enable everything related to it.

You should find the exact driver you need (hopefully :))

Re:off topic? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2414195)

look, its a *BSD if you cant patch it yourself to fix your problem, you might as well go fuck yourself. go use linux or something you fag. windows works out of the box.
pussy boy.

WinDriver? (1)

rsimmons (248005) | about 13 years ago | (#2408317)

This is great news. They are a much better organization than WinDriver (division of Microsoft).

Re:WinDriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2417757)

(/.,please bring my username back)

Wind River is a division of Microsoft? Source?

That's lovely, but it's really too bad (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2408448)

because ....


*BSD is dying

Got any proof? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2408463)

That's right. No proof because it isn't true.

*BSD is dying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2408506)

*BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [] in th recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dying

Re:*BSD is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2412371)

What's a charnel house?

hope that they can keep up (2)

johnjones (14274) | about 13 years ago | (#2410095)

I hope that they can keep up and dont go burning CD until they are ordered (JIT inventry)

I think they should screen print some CD with just their logo on it (no version numbers so they can use it for whatever) so that it would look pro as well

throw in a book on unix programing and hey presto a Real product !

john 'what about mips distro' jones

The All Important Question (1)

helixblue (231601) | about 13 years ago | (#2410384)

Do the CD's from Daemonnews come with the FreeBSD stickers?

Re:The All Important Question (2)

Arandir (19206) | about 13 years ago | (#2413539)

There was to be a second run of stickers under BSDi, but they never got around to it before they split up. So the existing stickers are all that are left, and there aren't that many of them. An inside source told me that they won't be included in the 4.4 Wimpriver set, so unless DN prints some new ones, they won't have them either.

Re:The All Important Question (1)

Ded Bob (67043) | about 13 years ago | (#2415162)

So the existing stickers are all that are left, and there aren't that many of them.

Maybe they can make a bit of money auctioning those stickers off?

Re:The All Important Question (1)

Arandir (19206) | about 13 years ago | (#2416771)

I've got one unused set of stickers from 4.3. The bidding starts at $50.

Re:The All Important Question (1)

kkenn (83190) | about 13 years ago | (#2423201)

I got two FreeBSD CD sets delivered today from DN and they each came with a 'BSD' car sticker similar to the country-of-registration stickers you see in europe. Kinda cool :)

massive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2413675)

"massive layoffs"? hah. you slashtrash kiddies will say anything to get attention, won't you? I wouldn't call 3 developers massive by any form of imagination. Yes, it sucks. But not what I would call massive, given the size of both the FreeBSD project (hundreds) and WRS (thousands).

Re:massive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2431544)

Yes, and the 100 a SuSE and needing 14 million is 'nothing'
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