Ubuntu Turns 10 110
Scott James Remnant, now Technical Lead on ChromeOS, was a Debian developer before that. That's how he became involved from the beginning (becoming Developer Manager, and then serving on the Technical Board) on the little derivative distribution that Mark Shuttleworth decided to make of Debian Unstable, and for which the name Ubuntu was eventually chosen. On this date in 2004, Ubuntu 4.10 -- aka Warty Warthog, or just Warty -- was released, and Remnant has shared a detailed, nostalgic look back at the early days of the project that has (whatever else you think of it ) become one of the most influential in the world of open source and Free software. I was excited that Canonical sent out disks that I could pass around to friends and family that looked acceptably polished to them in a way that Sharpie-marked Knoppix CD-ROMs didn't, and that the polish extended to the installer, the desktop, and the included constellation of software, too.
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It's just a Zune...
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I remember that episode, and I stand corrected. You can in fact polish a turd.
Also, -1 troll? For making a stupid joke?
Re:Unity is rubbish. Systemd is rubbish (Score:5, Insightful)
Linux advocates say they want Linux to take over the desktop and become more supported and accepted, but anytime some distro gets even close to breaking into the mainstream, they all turn against it.
Discuss
Re:Unity is rubbish. Systemd is rubbish (Score:5, Insightful)
In my case, Ubuntu was very close and 10.04 was working great for some very non-technical people who wanted to check facebook and gmail and write the occasional paper.
Then the gnome3/unity crap started....
Now they are very happy with Mint and the MATE desktop.
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Gnome3 FTW! (Score:3)
Agreed. Gnome3 user here; and I like it! Me no likes Unity; although I can start to see how I might use it, due to recent evolutions.
Also FWIW, every single non-techie, former Windows XP refugee I've turned onto Ubuntu Gnome3 likes Gnome3/Ubuntu also. They tell me they can't believe they used to live that way.
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Yes, there was no end to the whine, there where bugs, badly designed UI, etc. . That is the basic state of every Software in wide spread use - if you have users you have complaints. Gnome 3 set out to fix the whining by borrowing Apples design philosophy and reality distortion field - it failed badly and broke everything that worked.
With the Gnome 3 introduction I moved to XFCE 4 which had half the features of Gnome 2, which is more than could be said about Gnome 3.
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Yes, there was no end to the whine, there where bugs, badly designed UI, etc.
Well, to recap, the basic arguments against GNOME2 were that it significantly reduced configurability over GNOME1, that it was bloated, and that the "Applications / Places / System" menu structure felt uncomfortable. I guess one could relatively easily dig up the large Slashdot discussions where all the complaining takes place.
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Ubuntu 10.04 had a lot of problems, but that's because the software it was based on was not mature, and Ubuntu took to rolling their own UI rather than working with upstream. That being said, upstream Gnome was busy committing suicide, so it wasn't too bad for Ubuntu to look in another direction.
A lot of users (including myself) jumped soon after to Linux Mint with Cinnamon UI and that's why it's the top at distrowatch now.
Only time will tell if Linux Mint Cinnamon is going to self-destruct. I think the n
Re:Unity is rubbish. Systemd is rubbish (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Unity is rubbish. Systemd is rubbish (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, plenty of mainstream companies support Linux. You may have heard of some of them: IBM, Mathworks, Autodesk?
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In which case I'd have to point to Chromebooks and Android devices.
I'd like to make a nice long rant next against GNOME and Red Hat, but to keep it short GNOME shot everyone in the foot with GNOME 3.
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VS my example, people using computers for, I don't know...what's the word....work?
Re: Unity is rubbish. Systemd is rubbish (Score:3, Insightful)
Why do people always forget about kubuntu? Its Ubuntu the way it should be, minus the amazon spyware and unity crap and with best desktop environment around.
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Kubuntu nearly died with Intrepid, because of the not-ready KDE4 debacle.
KDE is awesome again, but it may be too late for a lot of former Kubuntu users.
(Kubuntu's been the only OS on my computers since Edgy).
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I have had no issues tethering my GS4, my only streaming issues are sites that use silverlight, and plenty of steam games for fun.
Oh and BTW it looks like your complains about the Fuji(tsu)? scanner and Wacom tablet are overblown. It looks like there is some support for both, although it is not handled by the manufacturers. Both manufacturers linked to these sites so I am assuming they should be at least partially function
Xubuntu (Score:4, Interesting)
Then the gnome3/unity crap started
I used GNOME 2 during 11.04 when this Unity crap started getting included. Once GNOME 2 became "fallback" in 11.10, I put up with Unity for a month, but after that I did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop and never looked back. The only drawback is that I can't think of what the f in Xfce is supposed to stand for after the decade-old migration from XForms to GTK+.
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There's Ubuntu Mate Remix (ubuntu-mate.org) now :)
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Anytime you have freedom, people are free to disagree. Don't you agree?
Re:Unity is rubbish. Systemd is rubbish (Score:4, Interesting)
Except they're not chasing the mainstream, they're chasing the hype wave of Apple/Google/Microsoft trying to be the "big next thing" instead of what is actually mainstream today with Win7/OS X. Instead of picking a market and staying on target to finish the job they still haven't finished on the office desktop from 1999 or the laptop from 2004 or smartphone from 2009 or tablet from 2014. And at this rate I don't think Ubuntu will stay in one place long enough to be relevant to anyone outside the ~1% of the desktop market Linux owns today.
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Oh, people are turning against Linux Mint? Last I checked, they were abandoning Ubuntu for that, and for good reasons.
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Mint has achieved some mainstream success, non-geeks use it and like it. I haven't abandoned it yet, so answer is "probably not if Clem and the team keep paying attention to user needs and wants", which is totally the opposite of Ubuntu philosophy
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Is it too late to mod this up as both insightful and a troll at the same time? That in asking 6 Linux users "What is the best distro" you'll get 7 answers?
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The problem was never that Ubuntu became popular. Geeks everywhere rejoiced!
The problem was simply the Gnome3/Unity fallout which left a lot of users with no easily accessible default desktop. Each has interesting ideas and strengths but neither are the stalwart that Gnome2 was. Anyone who was already on the KDE track with Kubuntu wasn't bothered though... until Canonical dropped official support for Kubuntu.
Personally, I still run Kubuntu. KDE plasma has evolved from a bloated pig into something pretty and
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You are trolling.
Discuss.
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before unbuntu (Score:4, Interesting)
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Unity was super fast and smooth, for the two minutes I ran it under Ubuntu 11.04 before switching to Gnome 2. But I don't remember the dash (why would I want to search my programs instead of just running them?)
The OpenGL performance or that for the main OS GUI is totally random, depending on drivers, on which you have very limited control. Many linux advocates solve that problem by yelling "You're not running a less than two-year-old Intel laptop so you must be an idiot" in slashdot comments.
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Windows Vista and higher is the about the equivalent of running Wayland on linux, which still is future technology as of now..
Or so I visualize the problem, even if the comparison may be not entirely accurate.
So imagine linux on Wayland, with GMA950 chipset and a "premium" driver i.e. efficient, low CPU use. That ought to be smooth. If you don't have those things then CPU power is wasted and bitmaps are copied uselessly. Even though there's only one physical RAM and it's on the FSB (front side bus) along wi
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emerge world
There's your problem. You should have been doing emerge -vDNu world --with-bdeps=y.
sharpie marks? Marketing needs a shakeup (Score:3)
when I distributed my Knoppix-based desktop demo I had a licensed logo (Sitting Baby Tux by Nicolas Rougier) and 8cm printed discs. That thing was insanely popular, probably not least because SQUEEE! factor.
http://www.labri.fr/perso/nrou... [labri.fr] -looks feckin' fantastic in a frame.
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I'd've gone the Ubuntu route had I not already spent many hours whittling a DVD distro (Knoppix) to a miniDVD size (1.8GB from 4.1GB) simply by pruning application trees. You can have half a gig back with the simple expedient of chopping most of the word processing and graphics packages - OpenOffice and The GIMP does most of what most people could ever want in desktop publishing, and they take less than 200MB between them. I did leave all of the reference drivers in though, Knoppix isn't Knoppix without the
Happy Birthday (Score:4, Funny)
I didn't realize it was only 11000 months old. I thought it was more like 1010 times that age.
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Didn't you mean "101 times that age"?
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Whopse, this was meant to go on the Microsoft watch page...
Casio can't save me from this...
Epic Fail!
Happy Birthday (Score:5, Insightful)
Between Unity and Mir, it's considered cool to Bash Ubuntu these days, but even their most stalwart detractors have to admit they raised the bar for desktop Linux from the first day of their release. There's a reason it's become both a popular distro and a popular base for derivatives.
Thank you, Ubuntu, and Happy Birthday.
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Ubuntu 5.04 was my first exposure to Linux. I chose it because even in those early days of the distribution, Ubuntu was known for fixing the dependency issues in the repositories. That was their claim to fame.
I moved on a couple years ago (to Linux Mint, of course), but the Ubuntu base is great, since I know I can get just about any linux app packaged for it.
Happy Birthday!
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I don't know. Can you configure it out of the box to talk to an LDAP server yet, or does it still assume that everyone is outside a managed network?
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The OS that wasn't (Score:5, Interesting)
Yep, everybody hates Ubuntu these days, the only linux distro that had a chance gets hated into oblivion. Open source is anti success. They did everything to stop them from ever getting market share.
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You've never heard of Fedora have you?
debian to be forked (Score:3, Interesting)
http://debianfork.org/
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Ubuntu changed everything (Score:5, Insightful)
Ubuntu changed everything we've come to expect about free, general-purpose operating systems.
People don't give Launchpad enough credit: for the first time, we have an integrated build/test/deploy process for the whole operating system. It takes the solid Debian root and adds a layer of modern quality assurance that we've never seen before. There's still a ways to go, and I'm sure people will complain about one or other package being broken, but the fact is that Ubuntu raised the bar of what we've come to expect.
Slashdotters and others also love to complain about one particular package or another. Obviously, the desktop environment (or just the shell) is the first thing that most people see. But it's also a small project in the larger scope of Ubuntu. Don't like Unity or GNOME 3 or KDE or Xfce or LXDE or Enlightenment? You have lots of options. Don't like systemd? Well, Ubuntu devoted a lot of time and effort to Upstart, but made the mature decision to abide by Debian's decision to go with systemd (for now). Don't like either? Yeah, well, life these days must be truly hell for poor little you.
And now, Ubuntu may do for mobile what it did for the desktop. In 10 years, I hope we can celebrate the existence of truly free devices, onto which we can install any package we want -- including alternative UIs for those who will undoubtedly not like Unity.
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Ubuntu is one of the most successful attempt at a Linux (GNU/Linux not something like Android/Chrome OS which just used the Linux Kernel) based.
Ubuntu was one of the few distro's to take advantage Desktop OS gap.
Windows XP from 2003 had a Lot of serious Security Issues, Apple Mac's were picking up steam, but Apple isn't for everyone. Most of the other Linux distributions were like We have GNOME/KDE installed so we are Desktop ready. However Ubuntu actually put in effort during that time to make a decent D
Companies Fail To Admit Thier Mistakes (Score:4, Interesting)
People are choosing other distributions for a reason, actually two.
Get rid of Unity and stop collecting search information, or fade into obscurity.
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or fade into obscurity.
It's a Linux distro. How much more obscure could it get?
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Luxury. I had to use a magnetized needle and a steady hand.
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Assuming I could pronounce it.
It used to work quite well for me, till I discovered where to buy a *BSD CD.
Unity killed Ubuntu. I am busy Migrating the family from Ubuntu to Mint.
Less tinkering, more using (Score:3)
I have less and less time to tinker with linux to make it work. Started using KDE, but kept running into issues where it refused to let me login - just get a blank desktop. Went to Xubuntu, but half the time I suspended my laptop it would refuse to wake completely unless I restarted lightdm, which restarted my session. What a productivity killer. I recently went back to Ubuntu and Unity and haven't had such problems. I gotta give Ubuntu credit, they make it a nice and easy experience, which Joe Schmoe who just wants to check his email likes.