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Shuttle's Tiny PC Reviewed

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the curiously-small-pcs dept.

Hardware 302

PhantomHarlock writes "VIAHardware posted a review of a great miniature PC desktop system from Shuttle, the motherboard manufacturer. It's a tiny aluminum case with a floppy bay and one 5 1/4 bay. It uses Shuttle's FV24 mobo, one of the smallest on the market. The motherboard has built in video (with S-Video out), audio, 10/100 Ethernet, USB and dual firewire ports. " Might be a nifty device to use as a stereo component with that S-Video out.

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302 comments

fp (-1)

kahuna720 (56586) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446573)

fp

Re:fp (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446626)

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French Toast (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446576)

-The AC Avenger!!!

Re:French Toast (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446590)

Nice one, dipshit.

Re:French Toast (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446627)

Listen, you maggot infested twat waffle. If you EVER reply to one of my posts again, I will hunt you down like the useless piece of shit that you are and anally rape you with an aluminum baseball bat, got it?

-The AC Avenger

Re:French Toast (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446643)

Heh.

Re:French Toast (-1, Offtopic)

Jon Coktoastone (527727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446654)

I'd use a wooden bat. Better chance of getting a splinter.

Super (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446581)

Thats pretty amazing!

Cool, my hardware on slashdot! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446589)

I developed most of the chipset used in this computer, and can tell you it simply kicks ass. Go and buy, it runs linux too! In fact, most of the design was made using CAD software running under both Linux and BoumOS.
Sincerely, Mike Bouma

Re:Cool, my hardware on slashdot! (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446623)

The board itself is pretty cool, but that case looks like it was inspired by external DLT tape backup drives! I mean, geesh - I'd almost accidently try to shove a DLT IV cartridge in one of the drive bays, if I wasn't paying attention.

Re:Cool, my hardware on slashdot! (2)

connorbd (151811) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446732)

Actually, I thought of something similar but more generalized -- APS Tech used to (probably still does) sell a double SCSI case which I most vividly remember combining a Jaz drive with a CD burner. It was probably roughly the same style case as you're referring to.

See, I saw the headline and I was thinking some kind of half-pizza deal -- something small, slick, and preferably black. I like the concept, but the design doesn't work.

/Brian

Re:Cool, my hardware on slashdot! (0, Offtopic)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446674)

So you are actually willing to admit having developed a chipset that contains a Savage 4? Wow, no wonder you're anonymous....

Re:Cool, my hardware on slashdot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446690)

The embedded Savage4 costs less than 10 bucks and performs more or less like a 1st generation GeForce. Please, check your facts.
Sincerely, Mike Bouma

Re:Cool, my hardware on slashdot! (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446810)

I used to have a Savage 4. Did anybody mention there aren't any good drivers for Win2000, or to please the zealots, for Linux?

Makes sense (-1)

Dead Penis Bird (524912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446610)

I have a full tower case PC at home, and most of that is empty space.

This is a good choice for apartment dwellers, where space is an issue.

Interesting Specs (4, Informative)

XBL (305578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446611)

These are from the MWave site (notice the FireWire!):

VIA VT8604 North Bridge
Host interface
Integrated Savage4 2D/3D Graphics Engine
PC 133 SDRAM/VCM interface
PCI interface
ACPI Compliant

VIA VT82C686B South Bridge
UDMA 33/66/100 IDE interface
USB interface
AC97 Controller
Integrated Super I/O controller
Integrated hardware monitoring controller
Power management meet ACPI requirement
RTC

CPU: Socket 370 type CPU
Intel Celeron with 66MHz FSB (100MHz FSB for future CPU)
Intel Pentium III with 100 / 133MHz FSB

FSB
66 / 100 / 133MHz

Form Factor
Flex ATX: 7" X 7.5"

Memory
DIMM x 2, Up to 512MB of 168-pin PC100 /PC133 SDRAM

Graphics
Built in Savage 4 graphics engine

Audio
VIA audio with AC'97 CODEC

On board 1394 chipset
Lucent FW323
1394a OHCI link and PHY in single package
Complies with 1394 OHCI specification revision 1.0
Provides three fully compliant cable ports
Support 400Mb/s, 200Mb/s, 100Mb/s data transfer rate

Ethernet
On board Realtek 8139C
IEEE 802.3u 100Base-T specifications compliant
10 Mb/s and 100 Mb/s operation
Supports Wake-On-LAN function

Modem (optional)
Proprietary Modem riser Module
V.90 compliant

Expansion Bus
1 x PCI
PCI 2.2 specification compliant

I/O
Built in VIA 686B
Support 1 UART for Complete Serial Ports
Support 1 Multi-mode parallel port
Support 1 Floppy Disk Controller
Support PS2 keyboard and mouse

H/W Monitor
Built in VIA686B
Voltage, Temperature, Fan Speed Monitor

IDE
Ultra DMA 33/66/100 mode
PIO mode 4
2 IDE ports

Power Management
APM 1.2
ACPI 1.0

BIOS
Award PnP BIOS
DMI 2.3
2Mb flash memory

Back Panel Ports and Connectors
1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x VGA port
1 x Serial Port
1 x Parallel port, supports SPP, ECP, and EPP mode
2 x 1394 ports
1 x S connector
1 x Composite connector
2 x USB ports
1 x RJ45 port
1 x line-in connector
1 x line-out connector

Other connectors and jumpers
2 x fan connectors
2 x Front Panel USB Connector Header
Front side line-out and mic-In Header
CD Audio in connector
Clear CMOS
1 x ATX power connector

Others Feature
CPU Voltage Auto Detecting (CPU PnP)
Support Suspend to Ram
Power on by Ring
Wake-On-LAN

Re:Interesting Specs (0)

part!cle (473500) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446625)

That sure is a lot of stuff!

Re:Interesting Specs (-1, Offtopic)

Jon Coktoastone (527727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446665)

*cough*TROLL*cough*

I hope you don't get the +4 mods you expect from this post...

Mwah, maybe (1)

Jedi Alec (258881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446616)

Might be a nifty device to use as a stereo component with that S-Video out.

Well, it's a nice piece of machinery hardware-wise, but I wouldn't want it in my living room looking like that. Otherwise putting a DVD in that one 5 1/4 slot would be very interesting...

Re:Mwah, maybe (-1, Offtopic)

kentyman23 (466366) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446809)

nice sig

Why in the hell would I use this? (0)

Jon Coktoastone (527727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446624)

I buy midtower and above, cause I like to be able to connect and disconnect stuff inside my puter without mangling my knuckles.

A tiny computer just means that I need to get out the tweesers and spend an extra 4 hours inside my computer.

If I was worried about space, I'd buy a laptop.

Imagine... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446632)

how small a Beowulf cluster of these would be! :)

Re:Imagine... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446880)

Imagine
John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religon too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
In a brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say i'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Re:Why in the hell would I use this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446726)

A tiny computer just means that I need to get out the tweesers and spend an extra 4 hours inside my computer.


These guys [tiny.com] are going to sue you!

Well... (5, Interesting)

connorbd (151811) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446631)

It does the job of being a small and workable system, and that's about it. It'd be a good cluster box, IMHO, but man... mofo is *ugly*.

Would I buy one? I don't know -- probably if they put it in a nicer case, but not like that. But I speak as someone who still lives at home and doesn't necessarily have space concerns that this box would address. (And I mean, really -- if space was truly an issue, why not just buy a Cappucino box and be done with it?)

What I want to see -- and I'm serious about this -- are a consumer-electronics-type case for a PC with an IR reciever and a graphical LED front panel (for media control) and a wooden case meant to match those "executive" mini-stereos from The Sharper Image...

/Brian

Use ideas (2, Interesting)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446638)

With my usage patterns this thing wouldn't be too good as a my main box, but with that kind of footprint it would make a great little rackable box or as the main post said, some sort of AV component. Heh, I have drive enclosures that are bigger than this thing, I love it.

We also could use something like that here at work in the labs. Our existing dell boxes take up a huge amount of space. We could cram these things under the o-scopes or something.

If I had the money I would get one just so I could play around with it :)

Re:Use ideas (2, Interesting)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446703)

Yeah, replying to my own post.... blablabla

I originally didn't see the little PCI riser card in there. Throw a video in card in there (or tv tuner) and have an IR reciever plopped off the serial port and this thing could be a tivo wanna-be. Oh now I'm really thinking of how cool this box could be. As others mentioned it can also have a DVD drive in there to play disks.

Unlike the tivo too, you could upgrade the HD just by chaining one (or more) off the firewire port. Hmm, are there any good USB or firewire video capture devices? Of course they would need to be linux compatable so that makes it even harder.

Of course you can substitute "tivo" with your favorite digital recording preference

Re:Use ideas (2)

Riplakish (213391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446771)

No need for an additional video card. It has an integrated video chip(Savage) that has TV-Out(S-Video) built into the mobo. Add HDD, processor, memory and it could be a nice MP3 server hooked to your TV, especially if you "have an IR reciever plopped off the serial port" as you said. Tivo-like system should be just as doable. I would like to see an LCD slapped on the front of it though. For the $250 MWave is charging, and say $250 more for the aforementioned components, this would make a nifty addition to an entertainment system. With the built-in NIC, it could also double as a MP3 playing, web-surfing, e-mail, instant messaging kiosk that you could access right from the couch.

Re:Use ideas (2, Insightful)

Foochar (129133) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446808)

To be "Tivo-like" you don't need just TV-Out you need TV-In. And half of what makes the tivo so cool is the service. I can tell it to record a show and I don't have to worry about them changing the night it is on, or running a long episode. Yeah, things like Bush deciding to give a press conference will still cause a problem but no more then it would a VCR.

Re:Use ideas (2)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446831)

Yeah, thats why I said tivo like... it does lack the services.


Perhaps calling it a digial video recorder would be a more accurate term.

Re:Use ideas (2)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446813)

yes, but for tivo like functionality you would also need video in... thus the use of the PCI slot :)

Re:Use ideas (1)

Riplakish (213391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446855)

Ooops! :)

I was so busy thinking how I wanted to put a Soundblaster card that supported Dolby into the one and only PCI slot in the damn thing, that I forgot you also needed TV-In for PVR, LOL.

Damn. Well the tradeoff seems to be PVR, or good sound for everything else.

TV on FireWire/USB (1)

Xoro (201854) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446884)

I'd love to see the TV tuner coming in on that FireWire, rather than as a card. Then you could move it from box to box, as you like. I noticed ATI is selling the ATI TV-Wonder for USB but it only has 320 x 200 or so resolution. I wonder if they'll upgrade it to FireWire.

work usage (0)

motherfuckin_spork (446610) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446710)

I was thinking the same thing... the process rooms I work in don't have a lot of extra space, but we need various data loggers to monitor what's going on... something like this little box would enable me to not only watch what's going on, but also to do some number crunching and spew the data off to a server pretty easily. (I currently use a Fluke data logger - not exacly high-tech).

$500 bucks... (-1)

Jon Coktoastone (527727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446639)

... to the person who can guess the movie (and where it happened in the movie) that my name came from.

Re:$500 bucks... (-1, Offtopic)

Trollbi-Wan Kenobi (522907) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446779)

Fletch. Between the opening credits and the end credits.

Windows XP dumb terminal (3, Interesting)

Mwongozi (176765) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446641)

At the risk of being modded down for supporting Microsoft...

Windows XP has a thing called "remote desktop connection", which is a lot like remote X connections on Linux, except that things like sound and hardware ports are also brought across to the remote machine.

My home LAN has a fairly beefy PC on it running Windows XP Pro, and it would be really useful to have a few cheap and small PCs thrown about the house, which could connect back to the main PC in my bedroom and bring the desktop to wherever you are.

Right now I use a laptop with an 802.11b card in it to do that, but that's a seriously expensive solution.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (2, Informative)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446656)

except the version of rdc on xp pro limits you to one connection at a time and blanks out the screen of the host pc whilst you're doing it.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (2)

Mwongozi (176765) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446672)

except the version of rdc on xp pro limits you to one connection at a time and blanks out the screen of the host pc whilst you're doing it.

That's okay, there's only one of me. :)

I believe it allows one connection per user, I can't imagine ever wanting to have two desktops on the go at the same time.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (1)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446662)

So you mean like VNC, except slower and more expensive? :)

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (3, Interesting)

Mwongozi (176765) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446698)

So you mean like VNC, except slower and more expensive? :)

RDC is much faster than VNC on Windows, because:

  • VNC isn't very good at working out which bits of the desktop have been redrawn (Or Windows isn't very good at telling it...)
  • RDC gets the remote machine to draw widgets, with the host machine saying things like "Draw this widget here", rather than sending bitmaps for everything.

It also resizes your desktop to whatever resolution the remote machine is using, which is quite nice. VNC doesn't do sound or ports either.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (2)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446729)

I stand corrected on the faster part then. I've had very limited experence with RDC due to my lack of a copy of terminal server :)

Sound wise this sounds backwards. Personally I would remote control the little box and have it play sounds and whatnot to my stereo. If it xfered its sound output to the box I was controling from then what good would it be sitting in my AV cabnet?

Or perhaps its just my lack of food speaking... I'm hungry.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (1)

really? (199452) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446775)

with the XP "client" you get to tell it what to do with the sound. I have a headless K6 "pizza box" that is my audio/video player - with a Hollywood+ for the DVD decoding.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446704)

It's faster. VNC uses bitmaps to redraw everything on the screen, which is slow. Remote Desktop Connection transmits Windows GDI calls, which are much faster. Rather than transferring the title bar and widgets, for example, it transmits a request "Draw Window."

Of course, I wouldn't expect users of X-Windows to know anything about "speed" anyway.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (1)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446760)

Of course, I wouldn't expect users of X-Windows to know anything about "speed" anyway.



Fine, I'll bite.... I run 2k at home and linux at work. I see no differences in how fast windows are drawn, refreshed, or whatnot.

I will counter your trollosity by pointing out the wonderful feature of X windows where I can throw remote windows around with a simple command line argument. Its neat having 30 some-odd machines put their load monitors up on one desktop. Now go away or I shall turn you into a newt!

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446821)

Fine, I'll bite.... I run 2k at home and linux at work. I see no differences in how fast windows are drawn, refreshed, or whatnot.

Of course, it helps that your workstation at work is a 1 GHz Pentium III, while your home machine is a Celeron 500. But hey, hardware's cheap, isn't it?

I will counter your trollosity by pointing out the wonderful feature of X windows where I can throw remote windows around with a simple command line argument. Its neat having 30 some-odd machines put their load monitors up on one desktop.

True. But can't you do that with an X Server on Windows instead? That way, you can run thousands more applications than you can with Linux alone.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (3, Insightful)

Locutus (9039) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446904)

I will counter your trollosity by pointing out the wonderful feature of X windows where I can throw remote windows around with a simple command line argument. Its neat having 30 some-odd machines put their load monitors up on one desktop.

True. But can't you do that with an X Server on Windows instead? That way, you can run thousands more applications than you can with Linux alone.

Ahh, now we see what flutters in this guys head. Doh. Grasshopper, an X-Server is meerly a display server and only shows that which is generated elsewhere. Surely one could have an X-Server running on a MCWindows machine and have all those powerful Linux machines ( or Solaris, etc ) sending displays to it. But every MCWindows crash would require you to resend all those displays again.
You see, Grasshopper, how the power of the many can be maintained and controlled by the few in the *nix world. The power of the many in the MCWindows world requires many to maintain and control. ;/

LoB

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (1)

alen (225700) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446750)

I've used both, and Win2000 Terminal Server beats VNC hands down. It's faster and has more features. You can set security, amount of connections, time limits on active and idle connections and a bunch of other features. I like it better than PC Anywhere too especially over dial up lines. PC Anywhere slows to a crawl and terminal server slows down only a little over dial up.

Re:Windows XP dumb terminal (1)

havardi (122062) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446863)

it would be really useful to have a few cheap and small PCs thrown about the house


Small and cheap? These are hardly the latter, especially for what you described. I setup a 486 50mhz laptop for my mom to access the internet, I put barebones Xwindows with Blackbox and have all the programs launch from my 1.2ghz athlon. Run's very quick indeed. I'd like to see you install WinXP on that and try to do the same thing :-p

nifty!!! (1)

TheMMaster (527904) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446642)

It's a nice peice of equipment, but not competition for my iPaq... I hate to have this in my pocket all day...

(sorry this is meant as a serious remark) would be nice as a cluster node don't you think??

Nice legs shame about the face (1)

sh0rtie (455432) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446646)

If this was put in an attractive case and the crap hidden it could give the apple cube a run for its money

unfortunatly it looks like ass
did someone say "design" ?

Re:Nice legs shame about the face (1)

SlamMan (221834) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446725)

I'd say it has a fairly good chance of beating out the Apple cube, since Apple EOL'd that about 5 months ago.

LCD display for added fun (2, Insightful)

Boiotos (139179) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446658)

That hd bay could also be used for a Matrix Orbital PC Bay Insert [matrixorbital.com] LCD display if you think this would make a great component for a linux stereo or video system. MO inludes a page of customer hacks [matrixorbital.com] whose content should further inspire your digital muse.

Can you say... (1)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446663)

LAN Party?

Re:Can you say... (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446666)

LAN party.

Re:Can you say... (2)

Milican (58140) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446752)

Well it would be cool, but the video chipset is a Savage4. As you know not the most competitive 3D chipset. Now if this was with the integrated nVidia chipset I would defnitely say "LAN Party".

JOhn

Re:Can you say... (2)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446807)

So stick a GeForce in the PCI slot, and you're good to go. Of course, you won't be able to both the LAN Party thing and this thing [slashdot.org] at the same time, but you could always keep switching PCI cards according to your needs. I agree it's too bad they didn't make all the integrated components top-notch, but I suspect that would've made the price a bit prohibitive...

Re:Can you say... (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446757)

no because you would get crappy FPS and 3d from the Hardware so wI will still be lugging my full tower and perifs to my buddies house.

Re:Can you say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446759)

No

This is good news! (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446667)

elvis is living in my penis.

GLove Box PC? (1)

Mac Nazgul (196332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446669)

Taking a quick look at the pictures from the review, it looks like that would make a great "Glove Box PC" for true mobile MP3 playing, etc.

Intergrate a 15" LCD into your center console and remove the factory glove box and mount that thing in the space left over! Now your passeneger can run pedestrians over in Carmageddon while you drive!

Just a thought...

DIY dvd player anyone? (2)

Diabolical (2110) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446675)

Damn.. if it only had a 5.1 audio output i could build myself a nice DIY dvd player. Easy to upgrade (software). Of course it would have to run Linux because i don't want bsod's on my screen...

Re:DIY dvd player anyone? (2)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446742)

Easy.. just stick a soundblaster in there.

Re:DIY dvd player anyone? (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446845)


I was thinking the same thing.

Use the 5 inch bay for a DVD Rom, PCI with a good sound card, pray that the Savage w/32meg can provide decent playback, and you already have the TV out...

Re:DIY dvd player anyone? (2, Informative)

jdgreen7 (524066) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446867)

If it had 2 5 1/4 ports, you could buy the SoundBlaster 5.1 Platinum that comes with the IR controller. It has a 5 1/4 panel that connects on the front for more audio inputs/outputs, and the IR receiver. Then, you could add the DVD player in the 2nd port. I suppose you could get an external DVD player, but then it loses it's portability some.

One good possibility I see: Get the SoundBlaster 5.1 w/ the remote. Run CAT5 into your living room (or wireless LAN), and network it to your other computer. Hook up this system to your TV and Stereo. Now, you can play MP3's over then network through your stereo, and play downloaded movies. Doesn't help DVD ability unless you could find a way to play a DVD over your LAN from another system... interesting possibility...? It would get annoying running to another room to switch DVD's, but how often do you watch more than 1 at a time?

Lan Party anyone? (2, Interesting)

fohat (168135) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446676)

On the down side the board has no AGP slot. The review suggests that this is livable, but I disagree. I wonder if you could retrofit the machine with a better graphics card using the PCI slot and disable the onboard graphics? I've done this with older HP vectra's when their onboard video chips go out... I do like the idea of being able to have a fairly high speed system which can be easily concealed and the design seems fairly well thought out...

Stereo Component? (2)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446679)

S-video has nothing to do with stereo. It's a video connector. Thing might make a nice pvr, if the case was painted. Or hidden in a closet. Ye Gods it's ugly.

Use S-video to show the UI (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446843)

S-video has nothing to do with stereo. It's a video connector.

S-video means that the thing can display its user interface on the living room TV rather than some LCD or vacuum fluorescent front panel. It also means you can use Winamp visualizations. And no, this box wouldn't look all that out of place next to a GameCube console.

ROBERT FROST (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446699)

was here?

not as cool.. (0, Offtopic)

lupetto (16876) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446706)

not as cool as the cobalt cube. Nothing beats it. wewp!

Cool.....sort of. (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446707)

at first I thought..."WOW this would be the coolest Mobo to design a case for and use at home, but then I saw the performance and is sucked....they have the fire wire which is cool since Mobo makers need to integrae Firewire, but how are you going to use it productivly with such a low mem bandwidth? if they went DDR (as the article suggests) it would be much better.
Do you think Linux would have any issues with this eq?..I mean it is very exotic.

Irony (1)

ehud42 (314607) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446712)

At the risk of being redundant, does anyone else find it amusing that this great little PC complete with relatively new technology is fitted with a 5.25" drive?

I understand the need for proven technology in critical environments like the shuttle, but surely the improved storage capacity and reduced physical size of at least a 3.5" drive would be worth it. Given that 3.5" drives are virtually museum fodder, they should be almost ready for NASA's use.

Re:Irony (1)

Mastagunna (251788) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446734)

Lets see you fit your DVD drive in a 3.5" bay, I would give you a million bucks if you could.

Re:Irony (1)

hexx (108181) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446849)

Lets see you fit your DVD drive in a 3.5" bay, I would give you a million bucks if you could.


Really? Umm... does my DVD drive have to *function* after I squeeze it into the 3.5" bay?
I have a hammer and a lotta glue...

Re:Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446850)

A million bucks eh?

Hmmm...that's enough to buy a new DVD drive to replace the one I smashed to fit it into a 3.5" bay with a fair bit left over to buy beer with.

I think I'll take you up on your offer, where do you want the photo of the DVD drive in a 3.5" bay sent to for verification?

Read, fool, read! (1)

SlamMan (221834) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446736)

Thats a 5.25" bay. You know, the size that cd and dvd drive get put into? Yeesh.

Noise level? (4, Interesting)

larien (5608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446720)

Anyone know how noisy (or quiet) these are? With only one fan, I'd expect it to be pretty good.

Reason I ask is that I'm looking to get ADSL soon (on order, actually) and I'd like to run a linux box as gateway/router/firewall on the ADSL and this looks ideal provided it's quiet enough.

Re:Noise level? (2, Informative)

XBL (305578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446816)

I built myself a FlexATX system a while back. I did this for a little server/firewall.

Usually small power supplies like this are quiet, get a low RPM fan for maybe a Celeron CPU, and a quiet hard drive like an IBM, it should be good enough.

Just one question... (1)

dsfox (2694) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446733)

Where can I get one??

Neat, but... (2)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446738)

I wonder if it is just me, but I *want* expansion, I *want* a big, bad, beige case.

I suppose if this unit could be attached to another of its ilk, it would be what(?) 6U's?
Rack mountable, maybe? Would be interesting.

The most expandable case I'd ever seen could hold 13 (or maybe 15) drives in a mid tower.
This box looks like you could fit 5 in there max...not bad for such a tiny case. Admittadly it would take some very creative engineering and the heat generated in such a small area would require removing the front plate and 3 fans from a drive cooler.

It has potential, I'll give it that, but the lack of PCI slots...ugh, my aptiva has only 2 pci slots ...arugh! 3, IMO, is the bare min, but the niche for this box is the limited space catagory.

I like it, personally. It's cute, it functions and it'll do whatever I need/want it to do, I'm sure. But, save one thing: Expandability (ok, internally).

Could I put a GF3 in it? Nope.
Could I put an IDE Raid card in it...Yeah, but where the hell would the drives go?

I dunno...its the "cube" arguments all over again.

It has form, it has function, but face it (this is /. after all) the "chubby/kickass" factor ain't there, IMO.

Moose

Re:Neat, but... (1)

SlamMan (221834) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446763)

But not everybody need expansion. WE've got a cube by our CIO's desk. He doesn't need expansion, he needs more desk space, and having something cool looking's nice also. Not every one needs raid cards and all the slots we love.

Re:Neat, but... (2)

egomaniac (105476) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446790)

What I want to do with a device like this is use it as a game console. Load MAME and a bunch of other emulators on it, download 34 gigs of roms, and sit it next to my GameCube and Dreamcast.

The S-Video output makes it absolutely perfect for this sort of usage (although I agree it is pretty ugly...).

Shuttle HOT-591p and 256 Meg RAM - possible? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446739)

I've got a Shuttle HOT-591p motherboard with one 128Meg stick of pc100 RAM and I've been trying to get it to work with another 128Meg stick of pc100 ram to bring the total up to 256Megs, but with no success. Each stick of RAM is good when tested alone, but when I put the two together it does not recognize the new RAM - the machine only recognizes 128 Megs of RAM as if the second 168pin slot is always ignored. I've tried all jumper setting conbinations for JA25 and JP9 with no luck. I don't see anything in the BIOS settings that can help me - the RAM setting appears to be read only. I am using a 350 MHz AMD K6 3d. Any ideas?

OT: REShuttle HOT-591p and 256 Meg RAM - possible? (-1)

n3r0.m4dski11z (447312) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446774)

try flashing the bios?

Re:Shuttle HOT-591p and 256 Meg RAM - possible? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446784)

This has nothing to do with that board in particular. It's true of all boards (well, at least to my knowledge). Sometimes you can't have sticks of RAM by different manufacturers in there at once. Have two sticks by the same manufacturer and it should work fine. I dunno why, but I've seen this said pretty often.

svideo out (1)

techno-at-nni.com (236771) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446743)

When I used svideo out before you needed a monitor to see what was on the screen before windows loaded.. after that you could select svideo out and let the display appear on the screen.. the only thing is, would i have to setup/install the machine on a normal monitor first then connect to a tv or vcr? in other words, can I just use the svideo out? or do I still need a monitor for reboots and such? would be nice if I only needed the tv for output, no need for a monitor at all..

Computer in a duffle bag... (2, Interesting)

BluePenguin (521713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446744)

I have to say this is a feature I can actually dig. With the S-Video out I might actually be able to take my computer with me on the road. Yeah laptops are available, but when going to Anime Cons... nothing beats being able to snag Bandai's latest release on DVD and throw it up at your room party that night. "Cowboy Bebop: Knockin on Heaven's Door anyone? Come to my room party!".

Honestly I think this is a good middle ground for portability. When you want a computer you can haul about anywhere but don't require the ability to actually use it when you're in transit it beats the heck out of a laptop.

It might also be a good platform for some presentations. I know when I'm doing premier demos, I'm working with a computer + projector on either RGB or S-Video... this would be an easy box to throw on a desktop at home and bring to any site for a demo. (At least for the Poor College Student doing demos to college clubs and user groups!)

:q!

Cluster? (1)

Viceice (462967) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446751)

Well it'd be perfect to cluster, it's take up less space so you can put the cluster of them on a shelf instead of a room...

Home management / automation (3, Interesting)

aegilops (307943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446805)

Consider its use as a home device management "brain". A gadget doesn't have to look smart or pretty, or have particular high throughput - it just needs to have the right I/O and never go wrong.

Consider this: you arrive at work, and ask yourself "Did I lock the front door?" Well, by using simple devices like this, wired in to your home security system (which, of course, we all have) you could find out. How about - the 'fridge door hasn't shut properly, and now your Jolt Colas (or whatever) are getting too warm. Better send an alarm (SNMP...) to you - while you're at work. Someone rings the front door bell at your house, and your webcam above the door switches on, streams video to your PC at work (naturally, as blessed by your local Firewall obergruppenfuhrer) for you to either remotely unlock the front door, or for you to choose to ignore it, and finally, schedule a random light activation pattern for when you go on holiday.

OK, this device isn't really all about these developments, but simple, I/O enabled boxes, which are ready to go through a web interface, can SNMP on to your domestic home appliances, and are secure enough would represent a good market. They don't have to look all that sexy, but just be cheap and functional, and WORK.

Two parenthetical comments in closing, however:

1) I don't expect for a second that all those white goods manufacturers will agree to an open standard, and we'll end up with a plethora of separate boxes controlling different sub-systems at home (a bit like any control panel near the computer room), and
2) Am I really that forgetful when I leave the house? Hey - now did I lock the car door...

Aegilops

That's NOTHING, check out EZGo (2, Interesting)

oli_freyr (105995) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446817)

This is basically just a shrunken desktop computer.
The EZGo is the size of four CD cases stacked on top of each other. I didn't compare the specs, but the EZGo has enough.

Check out the Taiwanese manufacturer [atoz-ezgo.com.tw] , a product page at directron [directron.com] or a review at Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] .

Best of all. It supposedly runs Linux!

(I probably should mention that I have nothing to do with this product. I just saw it a while ago and thought I should mention it.)

Try this case from Yeong Yang (4, Informative)

Uggy (99326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446830)

I like THIS case. It'll fit a normal micro ATX MB and you're not confined to special low profile cards, or limited expansion slots. And it looks a helluva lot better than that shit above.

The Smallest [yeongyang.com]

Re:Try this case from Yeong Yang (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446865)

Agreed. I will install a microATX nForce board in that case instead, and get ultimate power with expandability. That case doesn't look like a dog either. Front-facing headphone sockets would be nice, however, but it has the front-facing USB ports.

Nearly there (2)

hattig (47930) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446834)

When will a manufacturer release a fully integrated, but tiny, motherboard that supports Athlons and Durons eh? I.e., a performance micro-motherboard.

Using the nForce, but like the motherboard in this box only having 1 PCI and no AGP, I am sure you could make an even more compact design, or have room for 2 PCI slots (one for a low profile card perhaps). All you need to replicate the functionality of this box is an on-board Firewire connector. The audio will be 5.1 channel dolby, the video will be GeForce 2 MX, and the network will be high performance as well (compared with Realtek).

Yes, I know that this solution will be requiring a slightly beefier power supply - until the 0.13u Athlons come out, of course...

I bought the motherboard, then sent it back. (5, Insightful)

krafter (10695) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446839)

I bought the FV24 motherboard a few months ago. It is truly an amazing little board with tons of features packed into it.

I planned on using the motherboard to create a mp3 player I could put in my stereo rack. I put a 60gig ATA100 drive in the machine, a 466 Celeron and 256mb of memory. I didn't add any cards to the machine because everything I needed was on the motherboard.

I also had a USB audio device from Onkyo [onkyomm.com] , the SE-U55, which I was going to use so that I could connect the output to the optical input on my receiver.

I installed Win2k on the machine, I know because of that I won't get much sympathy here on slashdot.

The first problem I had was that the sound coming out of the onboard audio device was garbage. Mp3s played fine but sounded distorted. I tried many other sources of audio and everything was coming out distorted.

I figured it was just bad on board audio so I switched to the USB audio device and it also sounded distorted.

I then tested everything using my Compaq E500 laptop and it sounded great so I knew it was the hardware.

I did some research and found that the southbridge on the motherboard was in the family of VIA chipsets that seemed to be causing problems for other people. I tried new drivers and every hint I could find online but nothing seemed to work.

I bought a different motherboard with a non-via chipset and everything has been great since. I miss the small size of the FV24 but I don't miss the unusable audio.

Chris (krafter@zilla.net)

Finally! Will fit under the seat of my car (2)

Erich (151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446858)

I've been waiting for a while for a decent case/mobo that will fit reasonably well under the seat of my car. With an inverter plugged into the cigarette lighter, a tape adapter into my car's stereo unit, and a microphone mounted in the roof fabric, a little IBM ViaVoice and some scripting magic my car word-recognition-activated car mp3 player will once again live!

I did this once before with just a computer that sat in the foot well and used festival and a word recognition engine (which interpreted words incorrectly most of the time) called ears. Sitting the box in the footwell was unacceptable, but I think the concept works well. Certainly voice activation is the way to go.

Onboard sound, ethernet, and video... you don't need anything besides some media and some ram!

WOW! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446874)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these things.

Re:WOW! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2446895)

Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religon too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
In a brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say i'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Linux Support (1)

jsin (141879) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446878)

Anyone know how well this works with Redhat? I'd like to pick one up to play with but it would suck to get it home and find out that the built-in video won't run X or something equally lame.

Re:Linux Support (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446906)

It is just a standard VIA integrated PIII/C3 chipset, with Savage 4 video. Linux/X/etc will run fine. Dunno about the Firewire though, I assume that Linux has Lucent Firewire drivers... To be honest, it is a sucky performer graphically, audiowise and so on. Fine for a fancy alarm clock/mp3 player I suppose. I want performance mini-systems...

editor anyone? (3, Funny)

tdye (308813) | more than 12 years ago | (#2446885)

Is it just me, or has VIAHardware fired all the editors and disabled grammar/spell checking on their word processors?

"...opening up the case for maintenance is much simpler and don't require the use of tools."

"Let's take a peak inside..."

And my favorite on page one (I didn't bother with page two):

"Due to the small size of the case, everything inside is cramped in, thus making it impossible to install better cooling, this isn't exactly a negative point, since it is an OEM barebones system, and the lesser the cooling components, the quieter the system runs. "

It's hard to take a review seriously when the writer sounds suspiciously like he's failing 9th grade English.
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