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Red Hat 7.2 Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the stuff-to-download dept.

Red Hat Software 669

Spirit writes "Red Hat has anounced the release of Version 7.2 distribution with Gnome 1.4 and Nautilus, default ext3 fliesystem and according to ZDnet migration from LILO to GRUB"Updated by HeUnique:There are some issues to note before upgrading: The kernel that comes with the RH 7.2 is heavily patched 2.4.7 and has been tested quite heavily on fully loaded Linux boxes - so the recommendation is to use it

If you're upgrading from the previous Red Hat 7.1 and you're using Ximian GNOME, then you might want to erase all Ximian GNOME RPMS (use the command: rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep -i ximian` --nodeps to erase the RPMS). Red Hat's GNOME RPMS has been more tested then Ximian's one and there is a conflict between them. You cannot use Red-Carpet on Redhat 7.2 as it will fail with the RPM libraries.

These are the most critical notes about Redhat 7.2. You might want to read the README & the Release-notes which appears on the 1st ISO image.

Oh, and if you already installed it - then have some fun with the new un-official RPMS from Enigma's section of FreshRPMS

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/. sucks. (-1, Redundant)

JEDi_ERiAN (79402) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459234)

i swear, i submitted this story on the 16th, and it was rejected!! what gives?

(-1:Troll)

* 2001-10-16 15:08:10 RedHat 7.2 released (articles,news) (rejected)

Re:/. sucks. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459242)

boo fuckin hoo, you just realized now that slashdot sucks? not the brightest bulb in the chandalier, eh?

Re:/. sucks. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459254)

Shut the Fuck up.

This has been a public service announcement from the STFU Organization.

It was rejected because it was a lie. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459243)

The press release is dated today.

Re:/. sucks. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459245)

What gives?

You haven't sucked enough onto editors' cocks.

So, repeat after me: SUCK ONTO MY COCK!

Re:/. sucks. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459260)

Probably because it wan't released on the 16th.

Re:/. sucks. (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459265)

No, Slashdot is mediocre. Your website sucks.

I clam this post for (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459235)

Second derivative test tables! -Fran

Re:I clam this post for (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459247)

I re-clam this post for crustaceans everywhere!

in memory of sam clam (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459274)

Please mod parent up.

Respectfully,
Ollie Oyster

Re:I clam this post for (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459306)

Are you a bearded clam?

Anti-government nuts (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459238)

Listen to the UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw:

"Terrorists are strongest where states are weakest"

An excellent comment!

Name... (1)

pyrodex (473045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459246)

Welcome to Enigma...

Re:Name... (3, Informative)

joestar (225875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459301)

"Enigma" - wasn't it the name of this German machine that was used to encrypt secret messages during WWII ?

Stress test time for the ftp servers. (5, Informative)

Alan Cox (27532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459315)

UK folks should find
ftp://zeniiib.linux.theplanet.co.uk/pub/distribu ti ons/redhat/7.2

nice and fast (its the new linux.org.uk test box)

Alan

Re:Stress test time for the ftp servers. (2)

nagora (177841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459389)

UK folks should find
ftp://zeniiib.linux.theplanet.co.uk/pub/distribu ti ons/redhat/7.2

Without the space: like this [theplanet.co.uk]

TWW

step softly (1, Flamebait)

andy_from_nc (472347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459248)

RedHat seems to have broken the addage "Only use the even numbers" with 7.0 (not a very good edition in most folks opinions). And 7.1 was solid, so 7.2 could be dangerous. I think I'll be waiting until a few people install it before upgrading.

Furthermore, RedHat does not support "upgrading" from a Ximian (bka HelixCode) gnome distribution, and with 7.1 at least this failed -- so if you use the much better Ximian distro of gnome as opposed to RedHat's you might want to wait till they have made it 7.2-ready.

If anyone's gone through the upgrade, please post and let us know what problems you have. I'm particularly interested in any with Java. Thanks!

Re:step softly (3, Interesting)

s.a.m (92412) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459322)

It has been my experience with RH that the .2 releases are the most stable and contains less bugs than the .0 or .1 releases. I've run servers with the 6.2 and the 7.0 release and the 6.2 always provides more stability than the 7.0

Of course I never jump on the bandwagon as soon as something is released. I always wait around for ppl to say something and hear complaints.
The only exception to this is Debian, apt-get upgrade using Sid and haven't had a problem yet ^__^

Re:step softly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459395)

And how is waiting for everyone to tell you what to do avoiding the bandwagon?

Re:step softly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459331)

Have you used it yet before you question its quality ?, Roswell the Beta for 7.2 Rocks, Ive been using it since the first day it was relesased an its great, more stability patches than you can shake a penguin at, More stable than 7.1 and Ext3 rocks for somone whos kids like to pull the plug on his system while hes working.

Who says Ximian is much better there are more freakin updates to ximian gnome thank I can think of, there have been more updates to Ximian gnome than the whole of redhat 7.1 it seems. Its ok stuff, Im running it here at work , but so what whine whine , reinstall it fcol.

Stop the terrorist's prefered OS, Linux! (-1)

stinkgeek.com (450152) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459249)

What it sez moma!

and whatis GRUB ? (0)

nasogrumy (306555) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459250)

Get Rid of Unused Bullshit ... maybe it'll delete the microsoft partitions.

Nah, it is :
GNU GRUB, the GRand Unified Bootloader

well, Mandrake has it already since 7.1 and I'll stick to my SuSE 7.3 professional anyway.

Ext3 fliesystem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459251)

What the hell is that? I hope you aren't getting payed too do thes.

GRUB ? (1)

wintahmoot (17043) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459257)

hmm...i wonder why they switched over to GRUB ? trying to fill their ChangeLog i guess...tztz

hiro

Re:GRUB ? (2)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459285)

i wonder why they switched over to GRUB ?

I was surprised to see that, too, as the GNU Grub page [gnu.org] says, "GNU GRUB is not released publicly yet." On the other hand, doesn't Mandrake use GRUB?

Re:GRUB ? (5, Informative)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459308)

GNU GRUB != GRUB. I don't know which version this is, but RMS will be annoyed if they've left off a GNU... :D

From the GNU GRUB Faq:

1. How does GNU GRUB differ from Erich's original GRUB?
GNU GRUB is the successor of Erich's great GRUB. He couldn't work on GRUB because of some other tasks, so the current maintainer Gordon Matzigkeit took over the maintainership, and opened the development in order for everybody to participate it.

Technically speaking, GNU GRUB has many features that are not seen in the original GRUB. For example, GNU GRUB can be installed on UNIX-like operating system (i.e. GNU/Linux) via the grub shell /sbin/grub, it supports Logical Block Address (LBA) mode that solves the 1024 cylinders problem, and TAB completes a filename when it's unique. Of course, many bug fixes are done as well, so it is recommended to use GNU GRUB.

Re:GRUB ? (5, Troll)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459304)

Because it's better. Some of the reasons why grub was chosen:
  • Possibility to boot a kernel or device not listed in the boot manager config - great for debugging
  • Don't need to reinstall grub after updating a kernel
  • Better support for non-Linux OSes
  • No more blocky 320x200 boot graphics

Re:GRUB ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459317)

Maybe you should read the article, fuckwit. GRUB is filesystem-aware, editable on the fly, features a command prompt like a REAL boot loader, and features none of the limitations of LILO.

to forestall the inevitable -- why not reiserfs? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459258)

To forestall the inevitable questions
-- why not reiserfs, xfs, jfs, etc.

First look at the total feature
list of ext3 and compare, in particular the
compatibility (forwards AND backwards) with ext2.

There may or may not be better candidates for
a fs, but there are certainly none better for
a default install.

Re:to forestall the inevitable -- why not reiserfs (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459261)

You lie, Mr AC Cheese.

Redhat explained the choice of ext3 before (3, Informative)

clarkie.mg (216696) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459332)

On this page [linuxtoday.com] , a redhat employee explained why they chose ext3.

It was also the topic of a previous slashdot post [slashdot.org] .

This extract sums it up :

Why do you want to migrate from ext2 to ext3? Four main reasons: availability, data integrity, speed, and easy transition.

[...]

Again, we don't claim that every one of these points are unique to ext3. Most of them are shared by at least one other filesystem. We merely claim that the set of all of them together is true only for ext3.

Re:to forestall the inevitable -- why not reiserfs (3, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459338)

An official statement on why ext3 was chosen (ext2 compatibility is a major reason, but not the only one) can be found here [linuxtoday.com] .

Re:to forestall the inevitable -- why not reiserfs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459353)

You'll notice it was conveniently left out how dog slow ext3 is in comparison to ReiserFS or any other jfs, for that matter. We don't use RedHat on any of our production boxes, but I'd advise anyone that does and needs performance to stick with ext2.

Re:to forestall the inevitable -- why not reiserfs (3, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459380)

Please provide a testcase. Our tests have shown that (unless you compile in full debugging), ext3 is actually faster than ext2.

First impression (5, Insightful)

geirt (55254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459262)

I have been playing with the 7.2 betas (roswell) since it came out, and with the 7.2 release for about a week now.

I am very pleased with Redhat 7.2, it has given me very few problems, and it was the first Linux distribution that installed into my laptop without any tweaks.

The main enhancements (as visible by the user):

Grub instead of lilo (but you can still use lilo if you want to ..). Grub is a great boot loader, similar to the "boot monitor" of real Unix hardware. Grub understands the file system, so you do not need to reinstall Grub every time you update your kernel (like you have to with lilo). Once you are in the grub boot promt, you can boot any OS on your system (eg. from a floppy)

Mozilla and Nautilus: (I am a gnome user)

Mozilla 0.9.2.1 is a rather old release, but it was the release chosen by Netscape for NS6.1 so it is quite good. Nautilus is 1.0.4 + a lot of patches from RH (Alan Cox ?) to speed things up. Natilus is still somewhat slow, but I don't use file managers so much, so I don't care. I think that you should have at least 128 MB ram to run it, is was slow on one of my test machines with 64MB ram and a sub optimal disk system. Seeing the speed and stability improvements of Mozilla in the last 6 months, I am quite confident that Nutilus will be a great file manager (++) in a short time frame. It is a very good "eye candy", and impresses every Windows user seeing it. If you for one reason or another, don't like Nautilus, use the good old GNU Midnight Commander instead (yes it is on the CD).

Kernel, gcc, ptyhon, etc

The kernel is 2.4.7 + a lot of patches. Since RedHat 7.1 is at kernel 2.4.9-6 already, I believe that we will see an updated kernel soon. The main compiler is RedHats own 2.96 + modifications, and python is at 1.5.2-35. You will find gcc 3.01 and python 2.1.1 on the CD which can be installed separately. RedHat 8.0 will probably use these as default.

Postfix, Apache:

Redhat has dropped support for Postfix (a sendmail replacement), which used to be on the Powertools CD. I really don't know why, but I hope that the next RedHat release will fix this major bug. Apache is the rock solid 1.3.20.

Executive Summary:

RH7.2 is a polished good distribution. Since it is a .2 version, RedHat is going to support it for a looong time, and it will become the first choice for many system administrators for serious linux servers (that is, until 8.2 is released).

Re:First impression (1)

geirt (55254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459295)

geirt wrote:

>The kernel is 2.4.7 + a lot of patches. Since RedHat 7.1 is at kernel 2.4.9-6 already, I believe
>that we will see an updated kernel soon.

Well, the new kernel is already out (as well as a new glibc):

-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 5193088 oct 22 01:17 glibc-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 8964940 oct 22 01:19 glibc-common-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 10203453 oct 22 01:19 glibc-devel-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 8903754 oct 22 01:19 glibc-profile-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 2220 235 10099400 oct 22 10:33 kernel-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 2220 235 4092573 oct 22 10:30 kernel-BOOT-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 2220 235 1658513 oct 22 10:32 kernel-doc-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 2220 235 1147039 oct 22 10:34 kernel-headers-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 2220 235 24577441 oct 22 10:32 kernel-source-2.4.9-7.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 520852 oct 22 01:15 mew-1.94.2-12.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 30311 oct 22 01:20 nscd-2.2.4-19.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 172116 oct 22 01:16 openssh-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 37105 oct 22 01:16 openssh-askpass-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 19000 oct 22 01:17 openssh-askpass-gnome-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 223690 oct 22 01:16 openssh-clients-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 160517 oct 22 01:16 openssh-server-2.9p2-9.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 983005 oct 22 01:16 squid-2.4.STABLE1-6.i386.rpm
-rw-rw-r-- 1 19837 235 938913 oct 22 01:15 util-linux-2.11f-12.i386.rpm

Re:First impression (5, Informative)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459296)

Redhat has dropped support for Postfix (a sendmail replacement), which used to be on the Powertools CD. I really don't know why

It's because Powertools was dropped, and everything on Powertools that conflicts with something on a main CD (e.g. you can't install postfix and sendmail on the same system) had to go because at this time, the installer doesn't handle conflicting packages (breaking the "Everything" install isn't nice).

This is likely to get fixed in a future release (no promises though, it's not my decision [I'm all for postfix]).

Those who prefer it can grab the current official postfix package from rhcontrib [bero.org] . I'll open up the 7.2 section there later today.

Since it is a .2 version, RedHat is going to support it for a looong time

<obligatory "we don't preannounce releases" rant>
What makes you think the next release will be 8.0? ;)
</rant>

Re:First impression (2)

kdgarris (91435) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459390)

What makes you think the next release will be 8.0? ;)

Because 1) that's been the pattern since 4.0, and 2) I'm sure the next version of RedHat will be based on gcc 3.x, which will break binary compatibility, thus suggesting the use of a new major verion number.

-Karl

Re:First impression (5, Informative)

Alan Cox (27532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459297)

Not me - I did a bit of benchmarking but that is my sole contribution to nautilus. Lots of other folks both inside and outside of RH did all the work.

Re:First impression (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459347)

Alan, your work on the Linux kernel is greatly appreciated. Your efforts are admirable. But, can you please get a fucking haircut, a shave, and a shower?

PLEASE!?

What a crapfest (-1, Troll)

SumDeusExMachina (318037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459264)

No matter what 90% of the Linux-purchasing public says, I'm not going to use Redhat. There are certain decisions that they made that I feel compromise performance and usability in the name of good politics and such.

For example, they're using ext3. Blech. It is a journaling system tacked on to the old ext2 system, which seems a little too much like the evolution of FAT to me.

Secondly, GNOME? Can they give any rational reason for choosing GNOME over KDE2? Personally, I've compared them and found GNOME... lacking... in several areas, such as the absence of a decent browser (Konquerer) and the fact that the whole thing was written by masochists with C. Who writes a GUI in C, for crying out loud!? By the way, folks, Nautilus is dead. The fact that they went out of business so quickly ought to tell you something about their product. Also, I really like how everything in KDE is integrated, so that I can, for example, type in a URL (be it FTP or HTTP or whatever else is recognized), and it will fire up the appropriate program and go there (like Windows Explorer, but much better).

I think you can count me out on this distro, for now I'm sticking with SuSE (which several rigorous reviewers prefer over Redhat anyway), with ReiserFS and KDE2.

Re:What a crapfest (0)

chatak (117659) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459281)

Your an idiot. KDE2 is there, ReiserFS is there, they just happen to NOT be the defaults. So go cry some other tune and check your facts before acting like a dumbass. IF your too stupid to not select OPTION B instead of the default OPTION A, then go back to windows where you belong.

Re:What a crapfest (1, Troll)

rosewood (99925) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459292)

The whole beuty of Linux is that you can go be happy with your KDE etc. and I can do fine and dandy in Gnome! Neither of us have to compromise! Yea, now Ive been trolled.

Re:What a crapfest (5, Informative)

|DeN|niS (58325) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459299)

For example, they're using ext3. Blech. It is a journaling system tacked on to the old ext2 system, which seems a little too much like the evolution of FAT to me.

FAT? Hardly! ext3 uses is built on extension hooks designed into ext2, allowing you to mount ext3 partitions with an ext2-only kernel (of course no journalling in that case). Also, it takes a few seconds to "convert" ext2 to ext3, can't get easier than that! :-)

Personally I find it impressive that the foresight in the ext2 design allowed for ext3 to evolve the way it did with the backwords compatibility

And hey, it just works. Performance is like ext2, except you never have to fsck anymore when the machine doesn't shut down properly. And your ext2 bootfloppies still work, you don't have to reformat your partitions first, and did I mention it just works? :-)

So why not? ReiserFS would be more suited for news spool and squid cache partitions, but if you just want your same old system except for the fsck's, ext3 is the way to go.

Re:What a crapfest (-1, Troll)

deaddeng (63515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459300)

please moderate this whining drooler down. What a pile of eurofag drivel. reiserfs? It's in there. Xfs? Yup. KDE 2.2.1? Uh-huh. Please, catch a freaking clue before you spout off and look like the idiot you are.

Re:What a crapfest (1)

rhost89 (522547) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459302)

Although i do have to agree with you on the gnome/kde thing, a GUI in C is just as easy as a GUI in C++, granted oop is nicer for widgets etc... its still just as easy to initialize and use widgets writen in C. But its really apples and oranges were talking about here, they both get the job done, it really is just a mater of what language the programmer prefers.

Re:What a crapfest (2, Insightful)

collar (34531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459358)

By the way, folks, Nautilus is dead. The fact that they went out of business so quickly ought to tell you something about their product.

Was Eazel trying to sell people copies of Nautilus? I dont think so. They were trying to sell services offered through nautilus, which nobody wanted. They went under because they didn't have a revenue stream, not because Nautilus sucked. Nautilus is not dead, the release of 1.0.5 in the last week shows that, the work has been taken up by the community, and Nautilus seems to be benefitting from that.

Re:What a crapfest (1, Flamebait)

nagora (177841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459363)

Also, I really like how everything in KDE is integrated, so that I can, for example, type in a URL (be it FTP or HTTP or whatever else is recognized), and it will fire up the appropriate program and go there (like Windows Explorer, but much better).

That is the single crapest feature in KDE. It is still better than GNOME (but then so's not having a computer). Windowmaker is a real working environment; KDE and GNOME are just toys.

TWW

Re:What a crapfest (2)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459382)

>Secondly, GNOME?[...]
>Who writes a GUI in C, for crying out loud[...]
>I really like how everything in KDE is integrated
>SuSE [...] prefer over Redhat

Expect to be flamed. :) Touching four religions in one post. Programming language, distribution, Gnome/KDE, Integration/Small tools. You failed to mention your favourite browser, politics, Star Wars/Star Trek, an audiophile theme of your choice (CD/LP/MP3/Ogg).

Anyway... Choosing a more conservative filesystem as default is not necessary evil. Especially if your targeting a lots of different users.
About writing in C... Well, take the language that suits you most. Personally, I'd rather write larger programs in C++, too (Smaller ones I prefer C). But I don't think it you HAVE to write them in C++, especially if your more proficient in C.

About the integration in KDE, I like it, too.
At least on my desktop. But surely not on my notebook, there I prefer Blackbox or a CLI.
Expect to be proposed(threatened?) to use Windows as integration should be its philosophy in contrast to Unix.
As if using small programs stem from philosophy and not 8k total memory. (Real men program by rewireing, only quiche-eaters need IDEs :) )

To show my point, I'll quickly state that I think the difference between Unix and Windows is the possibilty to use different tools including lightweight programs or Integrated Enviroments matching your taste and/or technical outfit.

Nicking arteries (3, Funny)

RasputinAXP (12807) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459267)

From the ZDNet Article:
Red Hat 7.2 isn't quite a knife in the heart of Windows yet. However, we can't help but feel that it will certainly nick a major artery.

I nicked a major artery this morning shaving. Those things hurt pretty badly and bleed profusely.

I hope to see Bill Gates with many little pieces of toilet paper on his cheeks at the XP launch.

LILO vs. GRUB (1, Interesting)

Gleep (1840) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459269)

RedHat 7.2 gives you the option of choosing between the two ( and choice is great) but i fear what i'm unfamiliar with so i stuck with LILO, but i jumped all over ext3fs (which was also a choice)

Re:LILO vs. GRUB (2, Informative)

phutureboy (70690) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459287)

Nothing to fear with GRUB. I've been using it for about a year. Configuring it is a little different than with LILO, but it works fine.

Still no djbdns (1)

basic70 (154807) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459271)

It's a pity they still use Bind instead of djbdns [cr.yp.to] , which is a lot safer.

I'm also surprised about KDE 2.2, since KDE 2.2.1 has been out for quite a while now. The same goes for the kernel version (2.4.7), and a few other things. Didn't RedHat used to have more recent things in their earlier distributions?

/Basic

Re:Still no djbdns (1)

dmiller (581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459318)

They won't until DJB releases djbdns with a real, open-source license (not likely).

Re:Still no djbdns (4, Interesting)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459364)

It's a pity they still use Bind instead of djbdns [cr.yp.to], which is a lot safer.

If you want us to ship djbdns, convince its author to put it under an Open Source license.

The current license is not acceptable.

I'm also surprised about KDE 2.2, since KDE 2.2.1 has been out for quite a while now

KDE is actually pseudo-2.2.1: We took 2.2, and merged all fixes from the stable CVS branch (and a couple of other patches).

Couldn't update to the official 2.2.1 because of the freeze - but the 2.2-* packages in 7.2 have all the fixes from 2.2.1 up to the day before it was released.

The same goes for the kernel version (2.4.7)

Which is actually 2.4.7 plus a lot of bugfixes from later versions, plus ext3, plus new drivers, and more.
Making sure the kernel is highly stable even under extreme load (and longer uptimes) takes time.

Is RH including proprietary sw these days? (1)

LoveMe2Times (416048) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459278)

Is any of this proprietary, or has RH managed to stay comeletely OS? If not, what all pieces are *not* open, and what kind of licenses do they have? I remember some distro went to some kind of per seat licensing lately (or some /. article mentioned they would, but I don't remember who). Also, what RH specific changes are in this gcc? I saw they were using gcc-2.96-RH or something like that, which I presume to be a version RH has tweaked. Why isn't gcc-3.01 being distributed? Does it have major issues?

Re:Is RH including proprietary sw these days? (5, Informative)

Alan Cox (27532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459303)

gcc 2.96-RH is all open , always has been. Gcc 3 is not quite compatible so wouldnt be appropriate for the base tools for a new release. It is on the CD though if you want it

The only nonfree stuff on the RH distro should be netscape, and we recommend mozilla 8)

Netscape is proprietary (2)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459326)

what all pieces are *not* open, and what kind of licenses do they have?

The feature list [redhat.com] includes Netscape 4.78, which is proprietary (although free of charge). I can't find a link, but I read an article about Red Hat reluctantly leaving in Netscape, as they felt that Mozilla is not ready.

Re:Is RH including proprietary sw these days? (1)

pp (4753) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459348)

In the base distribution, Netscape 4.78 is the only non-open source piece of software. And that's already marked "obsolete" and will probably be replaced completely by mozilla in 8.x.

And gcc-3.01 IS included in 7.2. It's not /usr/bin/gcc (it's gcc3). Which is the way I like it, 2.96 is a good and tested compiler nowadays, 3.x isn't (yet). For 8.0 it will be.

I am stoked! (2, Interesting)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459283)

We can tick off another feature that the 'linux is not ready' brigade use against us. Journalling file system means Linux is now more than ready for the enterprise.

Linux just seems to be going from strength to strenght while Micro$oft struggle to persuade their (l)users to upgrade to yet another version.

It just goes to show the power of the Open Source 'bazaar' development model.

I am a bit concerned about this GRUB thing, does it replace LILO ? I've only just got the hang of lilo after all these years. I hope all my enrgy has not gone to waste.

Anyone know if this version will have support for the new higher speed USB that is coming out soon ?

Re:I am stoked! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459320)

I've only just got the hang of lilo after all these years. I hope all my enrgy has not gone to waste.

Are you a total fucking retard or something? It requires aroudn 2 minutes of reading the man page for lilo.conf to figure out how it works, no I am not a programmer, a CS student or basically a person with anything to do with the IT industry.

Please tell me you are joking....no wonder all Linux development has become Windows-wannabe.

Is RH teh start and end of linux for you? Jornalling FS for linux has been around for a long time now. Oh wait, you are prob one of those fucks on IRC who says things like "I have Linux 5.2, can someone help me play Quake". I hate those fuckers.

Lilo is about as balls simple of an app as you can get. One script, one man page, one executable. WHAT WAS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?

Re:I am stoked! (0, Offtopic)

LegendLength (231553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459357)

I sense a small trace of anger in your voice, are things ok at home?

Without Fail... (5, Funny)

Knunov (158076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459284)

Everytime I download a distro, within a week a new one comes out. I just finished downloading all 3 CD ISOs for Red Hat 7.1 and Tools and now they release 7.2

I'm switching to FreeBSD. Those guys update MUCH more slowly...

Re:Without Fail... (2, Interesting)

Publicus (415536) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459330)

Switch if you want to - but your reasoning doesn't make any sense. RH 7.1 came out in April. That's 6 months ago.

But I wouldn't abandon 7.1 just yet. Let folks mess with 7.2 and find out what they have to say. Besides, RH isn't worth anything until it's supported by Ximian, therefore, 7.1 is the way to go!

Re:Without Fail... (3, Informative)

Baki (72515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459356)

Not really, but gradually and constantly: There is a -current and a -stable CVS branch. You can follow the -stable CVS branch to stay completely uptodate all the time. Nothing ever breaks except on major announcements and big MFC's (merge from current) that are announced. At those times it may be necessary to revisit your config files in /etc (which can be automated with 'mergemaster').

Thus, you never have to download a new version, but you can always download incremental diffs (daily) that patch the complete source tree (cvsup). I have not reinstalled my FreeBSD system in 5 years time, yet it is 100% clean (all add-ons and optional parts to into /usr/local and don't spoil the main OS) and up to date.
(cd /usr/src; make world from time to time).

Installer (1, Insightful)

mrfiddlehead (129279) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459288)

Have they improved their crappy installer? If they ever want to make it outside of the clueful user category they're going to have to improve their installation process under every conceivable condition. And if an installation is restarted it should continue from where it left off, if at all possible. And the install logging is pathetic. A list of packages that have been installed. Nothing about the state of the machine at each stage, which would be useful.

There, now my Monday morning rant, however lame, is done I can get on with my coding, which will be bug free and highly optimised, first time, every time.

Okay, maybe not.

been in stores for a while (3, Interesting)

banky (9941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459289)

This has been at my local CompUSA (Fairfax, VA) for over a week. Anyone have any ideas as to why?

Red Hat 7.2 vs. Mandrake 8.1... (2)

joestar (225875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459290)

I'd love to read a comparison between these two famous Linux distros: features, stability, ergonomy... That would be interesting!

Re:Red Hat 7.2 vs. Mandrake 8.1... (2, Offtopic)

Tim C (15259) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459336)

Well, I've not used RedHat since about 5.2 or 6, so I can't comment on that, but I did install Mandrake 8.1 on both my home and work machines a couple of weeks ago. (Upgrading from 8.0)

I almost wish I hadn't. Supermount doesn't seem to want to work anymore, no matter what I try, and X on my work machine locks up about twice a week.

If I had the time, I'd probably go back to 8.0, at least at work, but I'm a little too busy for a reinstall now (the upgrade was performed at a weekend, when I was in to make up for missed time (damn that guilt...))

Cheers,

Tim

Re:Red Hat 7.2 vs. Mandrake 8.1... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459376)

'man mount'. Supermount has never worked. Really, I bet you can figure it out.

Re:Red Hat 7.2 vs. Mandrake 8.1... (1)

phutureboy (70690) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459381)

Man, I've thoroughly had it with Mandrake. It was great back in the 6.x days, but the last few releases have been unstable and bug ridden as hell. I'm giving Red Hat a try now...

Re:Red Hat 7.2 vs. Mandrake 8.1... (1)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459387)

I turn off supermount on anything... it has yet to work right for me.
I have been using mdk8.1 for a few weeks now, and I must say that although it is nice to have really really new packages, they might have wanted to go the RH route and test them more before shipping... but I suppose they are trying to overcome the "We're not just another RH-ripoff" bit.
All in all a nice desktop solution though, just not stable enough for me.

How about commercial package release? (2)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459293)

Does anyone know when will Red Hat have RH Linux 7.2 available in a commercial package (e.g., manuals and CD-ROM discs).

I still haven't seen the commercial package release of Linux Mandrake 7.1.

RedHat 7.2 was at CompUSA & Frys on 10/20 (1)

deaddeng (63515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459316)

For once, the retailers had product at launch--some of them even jumped the gun. So you can buy your boxed set RIGHT NOW all over this fair land (USA).

Which I told /. three days ago, and the submission was, of course, rejected. There are several unofficial mirrors that have been serving Enigma (7.2) isos for days, but you're on your own.

Bloatware (0, Flamebait)

saqmaster (522261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459294)

From my previous experience with the RedHat range, I can only come to the assumption that this latest incarnation will be surely even more bloated than the last.

Actually, I think I stopped using RH around v6.1 - blah blah please no "but you don't have to install all the rpm's" flames.

It won't be long before you will have RedHat in one hand and Windows in the other hand and they'll both weigh about the same. Long live bloatware :)

Re:Bloatware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459324)

but you don't have to install all the rpm's

Question about the ISO files (1, Interesting)

phutureboy (70690) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459298)

Does anyone know what is on disc 2? Do I really need to download that?

Re:Question about the ISO files (2, Interesting)

Mr.Phil (128836) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459310)

If it's much like 7.1, disc 2 will contain alot of server daemons and the like.

Re:Question about the ISO files (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459323)

Disc 2 contains all of the -devel packages. If you do any programming, you'll need them.

Re:Question about the ISO files (2, Informative)

Nachtfalke (160) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459337)

I don't know exactly what is on Disc 2, but I do know that you need both discs for a complete install, the second CD is not optional.

Re:Question about the ISO files (1)

hanwen (8589) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459373)

Disc 2 contains all of the -devel packages. If you do any programming, you'll need them.

GRUB is great! (0)

uncl_bob (529354) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459305)

For those wondering what da h-ll GRUB is, I can tell you I have never seen a better bootloader. Its just soooo powerful. And it also supports the "multiboot"-feature, a feature Linux unfortunately is still missing. =(

Btw, does RedHat still have those annoying init-files in a houndred different subdirectories? Thats what irritated me the most with RH 6, the evil mess of the init-files!

***NOT A TROLL**** (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459311)

"One guy wrote that we should take all these Legos and build giant robots with which to attack Afghanastan." -- Rob Malda, Founder of Slashdot, a "News for Nerds" website, in a NPR report on post WTC gen-X, 10/22/2001

I, for one, would like to take a moment to thank Rob for setting us "Nerds" back where we belong. Way to make us look like a bunch of childish tech-heads with no conception of the real world! (That was sarcasm, you nincompoop!)

Think mirrors! (5, Informative)

French Thias (188992) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459312)

I've put up a "known to be fully synced" mirror list here :

http://freshrpms.net/misc/enigma.html [freshrpms.net]

Also, don't forget to go get all the "missing" goodies (xine, lame, nessus...) from http://enigma.freshrpms.net/ [freshrpms.net]

Happy download! :-)

Matthias

What about ReiserFS? (2, Interesting)

bilenkey (82792) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459314)

Im surpised: ext3 as a default fs!? Is there an option to use ReiserFS instead of ext3? I've converted all but / and /boot to reiserfs more than a year ago and never had any problems with it. I think that ext3 has not been tested by public as much as reiserfs.

Re:What about ReiserFS? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459355)

Red Hat has paid developers working on Ext3 so they're probably going to push that as much as humanly possible (return on investment, that sort of thing). As for everyone else in LinuxLand moving to ReiserFS, well... Red Hat thinks they own Linux, so they do what they want and wait for the industry to follow it. Methinks they may not be met with joy on the Ext3 front, though. It's too much of a hack for my taste. ReiserFS has much more traction at this point, so my money will go with ReiserFS.

Red Hat is not synonymous with Linux. (3, Insightful)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459328)



But it may just as well be.

I've been using RH since 2.0.27 on a 386SX/12, and like many of you, have stuck with Red Hat in one form or another for many years. However, recently Red Hat's distrib has begun to suffer, largely because of oddball decisions like the ones we're seeing in 7.2.

LILO has been replaced with GRUB. Why? So we can confuse things even more for the people who we're trying to attract to the platform? If it aint broke, don't fix it, gang. You have an installed user base that knows the ins and outs of LILO, and has for years..Now that knowledge has been deprecated. Books will have to be rewritten, headaches arise, the whole nine yards will unfold as people have to sit down and digest yet another piece of Linux minutia..Why bother. LILO works. Sometimes switching one working part with another for only minimal gains is NOT a good idea..the situation doesn't mandate such changes.

Cheers, and yes, PROPAGANDA is still running,

Re:Red Hat is not synonymous with Linux. (1)

dr.mike (57827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459351)

GRUB is the simply the default option. LILO is still available as a choice during the interactive install. Both GRUB and LILO are supported in kickstart as well.

Re:Red Hat is not synonymous with Linux. (1)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459385)

Its true, GRUB is a superior bootloader. But good, i'm glad to see that at least a choice is provided. Old folks like us cut our teeth on LILO, and have gotten to know it fairly well over the years..if I have the option to stick with it, I will.

uh oh (1)

andy_from_nc (472347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459340)

http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/rhl_compare.h tml

Once again this one's got a special version of gcc

gcc 2.96-RH

I'm worried....(remember 7.0's fiasco)

-Andy

Re:uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459394)

Um... duh. RedHat keeps binary compatibility between major version numbers. All of 7.x will have 2.96 in some form. They've done buttloads of bugfixes on ito so there are no problems that you won't have with gcc3 as well. Go troll somewhere else.

don't understand the need for constant upgrading (2, Interesting)

kurokaze (221063) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459346)

I'm still running 6.2 w/ any patches that
concern me.

I don't particularly see any need to upgrade
to 7.0, 7.1 or 7.2 for that matter.

What's the big deal?

Red Hat 7.2 vs. Mandrake 8.1 vs. SuSE 7.3 (2)

TheMMaster (527904) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459349)

This is going to be a though choice, Redhat throws 7.2 at the world, Mandrake 8.1 and SuSE released 7.3 [suse.com] (however /. does not consider that news)
Personally I prefer SuSE and can't wait for 7.3 however I must say that Redhat 7.2 looks promesing too, however at a first glance, IMHO SuSE looks better for starting linux users.

Go Redhat Go! (0)

shine (1502) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459360)

Have't even installed 7.1 yet and now 7.2 is out, I just can't keep up with rapid advances in technology. :)

How to download 7.2.... (2, Informative)

unperson (223869) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459362)

1. Go to the official ftp.redhat.com site and get the MD5SUM:

efab549656a1a85ab8fa39eb873eff0e enigma-SRPMS-disc1.iso
70703897af7703b40e41777a3aa186c3 enigma-SRPMS-disc2.iso
cf7bce0c1cdbfedfae29e60aef202f6f enigma-i386-disc1.iso
fd705b3e5d0e37a828db35d21195a9f6 enigma-i386-disc2.iso

2. Go to any available mirror that isn't slashdotted...I found:

ftp://linux.nssl.noaa.gov

Slackware Forever! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459368)

Slither hither [slackware.com] , ye hapless Redhat user!

And when you're done with that, join the clan! [linuxmafia.org]

expect rh 8.0 soon (-1)

shitface (121619) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459374)

They should of definitely waited a week because now there is a major new kernel release (emacs 21) is out now and their OS is going to look completely different. A simple errata is not enough. Just kidding I can't wait to install it- been running 6.2 for what seems like forever. Gonna ditch their GNOME stuff for ximian though and redcarpet.

Mirror in Europe (2, Informative)

Yenya (12004) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459379)

a 100Mbps mirror in Czech Republic, Europe can be found at ftp.linux.cz [linux.cz] .

Which is the coolest Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2459388)

What is the coolest Linux distribution? I've installed Red Hat in the past (version 6 something) but I never really did anything with it. Anyway I was talking to a friend of mine and was kind of bragging a little bit more than I should and I was telling him that I used Linux. You know... because Linux like makes you "cool" or something. :) Anyway, now I'm in a bit of a pinch because I need to get Linux installed on my system again so I can show it off to him and I'm wondering what distribution is the coolest? Which one has the biggest "wow" factor? The slickest installation? The best default Desktop setup? The least amount of command line interaction (preferably NONE!).

Thanks

does grub support xp (1)

jlemmerer (242376) | more than 12 years ago | (#2459391)

hopefully grub supports xp. i recently tested xp as an alternative for win2000 (my company forces me to use windows - i can't they force me to use office buhuhu) and when i wanted to boot, lilo told me that only Linux is present on my system (and yes, i had xp installed). hopefully grub recognizes xp
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