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Linux 2.4.13

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the get-yer-red-hot-kernels-heah dept.

Linux 327

Lawrence Teo writes: "Looks like Linux 2.4.13 is out. You can get it at the usual place (kernel.org) and the mirrors. Check out the Changelog."

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i'm sorry, but (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470774)

this is my cock.

Re:i'm sorry, but (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470909)

oh my god, this release is so exciting, im masturbating while i read it!

ext3 (2)

chrysalis (50680) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470778)

Does this new kernel include the latest snapshot of ext3?

Ext3 is both distributed in the kernel and as a separate package, and I'm a bit lost : what ext3 code should we use for more reliability? Should the previous kernel be patched with the latest ext3? Does the new kernel include it? Does the latest ext3 cleanly applies to Linux 2.4.13?

I'm lost...

Re:ext3 (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470787)



I'm lost...


no, you're a stupid fucking karma whore is what you are. go download the fucking thing and find out.

ext3 info (-1, Flamebait)

All sporks are fags (528902) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470805)

I'm think I read that it does here [cjb.net] - it's linked to from the main page, I'm too lazy to check what the exact URL is :\ They have some other news about software and OS developments for the x86 platform, if you're into that sort of thing.

Re:ext3 (2, Informative)

frankie_guasch (164676) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470824)

ext3 is inside the -ac kernels, look inside
the people/alan directory. It must be in your
closest kernel mirror.

Re:ext3 (5, Informative)

rendler (141135) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470891)

Right now ext3 is not in the official kernel but it is in Alan Cox's which is also synched to the latest version, of course you can patch the official to use ext3 with patches from here [uow.edu.au] . They usually lag a couple of days behind for a patch to be available for the latest kernels , but a cvs snapshot should work fine if you can't wait that long for them to release an official patch.

Re:ext3 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470963)

ext3 is _not_ in the -linus kernel.
It is in the -ac patches, and just got updated,
so you can use that.

The ext3 patch should not be used, and may not apply to the current kernel. Dont use the ext3
patch unless the ext3 page states it is for
your kernel version. (or use the -ac patch which have ext3)
Chances are that ext3 soon goes into the kernel
though.

Fucking fuck fuck (-1, Troll)

All sporks are fags (528902) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470782)

So close, did I even get second post? Or just a dick in the ear?

Goddamn two minute wait.

Re:Fucking fuck fuck (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470791)

cock + you. in fact, it was my cock. how do you feel about that, mr spork?

_KERNEL__ -I/exports/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -c -o ip_forward.o ip_forward.c
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/exports/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686 -c -o ip_options.o ip_options.c
gcc -D__KERNE

trollin for 2.4.13!

Linux Rocks (-1, Offtopic)

robbyjo (315601) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470784)

Well, apparently, it is perfectly understandable if Microsoft produces inferior OS.

Interviewer: Is studying computer science the best way to prepare to be a programmer?

Gates: No, the best way to prepare is to write programs, and to study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating system.

- from "Programmers at Work" by Microsoft Press

Linux "lovers", unite! (-1, Funny)

All sporks are fags (528902) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470839)

Interviewer: Programmers sometimes say that they have to do strange things to find new ideas for their projects. What do you do to avoid `programmer's block'?

Linus: I suck hobo cock. I've found that there's nothing quite like a stinky, diseased transient's penis squirming in my mouth to help inspire my "programming".

-from "Rob Malda at Work, If You Get My Drift" by Goatse press.

TROLL? MODERATIORS ON CRACK AGAIN? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470859)

This was funny!

Re:Linux Rocks (2, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470966)

A little offtopic but quit correct. It turns out Bill Gates went even further and stated "..you need to look at other peoples code and improve upon it..". Hmmm Kind of sounds like un-american opensource doesn't it?

CVS (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470789)

Why, oh why, don't they use CVS?

I'm so sick of downloading 20MB+ packets every week.

And before you tell me to use patches, let me tell you that I've never gotten a single patch to work. I don't know if they're drunk when they create those patches, but each one of them complains about missing files when I try to apply them.

With CVS you don't have to wait for the latest release either. You can get a nightly build whenever you feel like it.

Re:CVS (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470798)

And before you tell me to use patches, let me tell you that I've never gotten a single patch to work.

Yeah, it's their fault you're stupid, stupid. I will be you $413 that if you install a clean copy of 2.4.12 and type patch -p0 $tmppiggy.gz; \
echo "SECTIONS { .data : { input_len = .; LONG(input_data_end - input_data) input_data = .; *(.data) input_data_end = .; }}" > $tmppiggy.lnk; \
ld -m elf_i386 -r -o piggy.o -b binary $tmppiggy.gz -b elf32-i386 -T $tmppiggy.lnk; \

trollin for 2.4.13!

Re:CVS (-1, Flamebait)

All sporks are fags (528902) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470849)

"I will be you $413"
High level of literacy here, it seems.

Re:CVS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470815)

Yes, CVS would be nice. The recent stability of the Linux Kernel clearly reflects the troubles Torvalds must be dealiing with, or would that be Cox? ;P

Re:CVS (1)

jrockway (229604) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470835)

Why dontcha just download the diffs?

Re:CVS (1)

tao (10867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470838)

How the **** do you apply the patches? I've never had a single problem so far. My typical patch-procedure:

cd linux-2.4.12
bzcat ../patches/patch-2.4.13.bz2 | patch -p1
cd ..
mv linux-2.4.12 linux-2.4.13

Should take care of everything.

Sgi CVS (0)

586 (137798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470854)

Check out the sgi linux tree at http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/cvs_download.html this includes the xfs filesystem and kdb, and is updated with the latest pre-patches!!!

Re:CVS (2)

cymen (8178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470879)

Patches are simple! If you are using the linus tree see the other reply. If you are using the -ac (alan cox) tree than grab the incremental patches from bzimage.org [bzimage.org] . To apply the patch go to /usr/src/linux (instead of /usr/src like with the linux patches) and patch away...

If you had provided an example of your pains with patching you would have got a much more detailed reply from somebody. Thoughts to ponder...

Re:CVS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470936)

I have to agree. CVS would save kernel.org *tons* of bandwidth.

I'd use it.

Re:CVS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470969)

EVERY single patch work., you download linux-2.4.12.tar.bz2
ant patch-2.4.13.gz and apply it to the 2.4.12
kernel.
Next time you get patch-2.4.14.gz and apply that
to your patched 2.4.12 kernel.
This works. Always.

Release Often? (1)

Vagary (21383) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470790)

There have been quite a few kernel releases in the past week or two as well as some high-profile bugs. Is the kernel just going through a natural rough-spot or is something different going on?

Re:Release Often? (5, Funny)

cymen (8178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470847)

Doesn't everyone know? Linus is recovering from alcholism. He just started the 12 step program. This week has been really hard for Linus because Alan Cox keeps talking about "putting away a few pints at the pub" (he is English) on the linux kernal mailing list. There have been a few flame wars too between the people working on the vm subsystem. Apparently one is a tea-totler and the other a hard core drinker so Linus is leaning towards using the tea-totler's code but Alan says the hard core drinkers code is better...

I think we all need to try to support Linus and Alan without choosing sides. Just grab the latest kernel of your choice and compile away... Try not to mention free beer on the linux kernel mailing list in the next couple weeks. Think free tea or something similar.

Re:Release Often? (3, Funny)

Barry Wilkes (234818) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470929)

Alan Cox keeps talking about "putting away a few pints at the pub" (he is English) on the linux kernal mailing list.

Well, I guess that proves Alan doesn't read slashdot. He is Welsh. BIG difference. Especially when it comes to things like Rugby.

Re:Release Often? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470920)

Hi!! I'm Cindy, and I am 8 years old. Mr. Linus was baby sitting me a few weeks ago an i was using his computer an i typed something an it did stuff, and then Mr. Linus saw it he screamed and called me bad words. But that's just cuz hes drunk all the time. I made the thingy lots better, thats why theres lots progress and new stuff now!

NTFS support? (-1)

Flarners (458839) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470794)

With the old WinDOS legacy finally cast away and XP poised to start making serious inroads into businesses and homes, full read/write NTFS is going to become extremely important. What sort of progress is being made on this? This should be a high priority for the kernel hackers of all alternative operating systems right now.

Re:NTFS support? (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470814)

actually, i think it's high time windows XP implements full ext2 read/write support.

jcopy -O binary -R .note -R .comment -S /exports/src/linux/vmlinux $tmppiggy; \
gzip -f -9 $tmppiggy.gz; \
echo "SECTIONS { .data : { input_len = .; LONG(input_data_end - input_data) input_data = .; *(.data) input_data_end = .; }}" > $tmppiggy.lnk; \
ld -m elf_i386 -r -o piggy.o -b binary $tmppiggy.gz -b elf32-i386 -T $tmppiggy.lnk; \

first kernel!

Ext2fs for Windows 2000/XP (-1)

Flarners (458839) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470829)

Paragon ext2fs Anywhere [partition-manager.com] . Enjoy.

Re:Ext2fs for Windows 2000/XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470917)

Dude thanks, I want your man babies!

But is there a free implementation anywhere?

son of a.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470795)

I just recompiled yesterday dammit. my timing sucks.

chrisd ?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470801)

Please, tell me chrisd is not Chris DiBona!

Predictions (5, Funny)

jawad (15611) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470802)

Predictions for comments...

"Use the mirrors!"

"Make sure you patch, don't waste bandwith!"

"Damn, there goes my uptime"

"Heh, I'm STILL running Kernel 1.2.1!"

"Does anyone NEED to use the latest kernel? What does it add?"

"Use the latest kernel! Testing is vital!"

"2.4.13? I thought Linux was at 7.2?!"

If I've forgot any, post to this thread. Hell, if you're any of the above postings, post to this thread....

Whoops. Forgot an important one. (2, Funny)

jawad (15611) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470826)

Whoops. Forgot an important one...

Prediction lists (and their addendums)...

Re:Predictions (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470853)

Yeah, you forgot a few.

"Hey, stop releasing new kernels so fast! I just compiled 2.4.12 yesterday."

"I downloaded it. Now what do I do?"

"When are they going to release 2.5?"

"Is there an RPM available?"

"Is it broken like kernel x.y.z?"

"Kewl."

Et cetera ad nauseum.

Re:Predictions (1)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470864)

Here's an important one:

WTF!! The VM is STILL broken!!

And then of course you have the brand new religious flamewar over which color the fire will be when either the Rik or "Arch Angel" VM crashes your server..... my vote is for MS blue ;)

Re:Predictions (1)

thimo (36102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470937)

bla bla FreshMeat bla bla

Thimo

Re:Predictions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470943)

Another one:

Damn! I had just finished upgrading to 2.4.12 five minutes ago!

:-)

OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470807)

Goddamn these trolls suck. I was cool with them before - but now they're actually fucking up my slashdot experience. We need to start e-mailing CmdrTaco and get him to fix this.
And I don't believe in censorship, so I won't make my threshhold higher.

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470821)

which ones?!

ules/ieee1394_syms.ver:105:41: warning: "__ver_hpsb_nodeid_get_entry" redefined
/exports/src/linux/include/linux/modules/ieee139 4_ core.ver:107:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
/exports/src/linux/include/linux/modules

!!

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470832)

I'm ranting ahead of time. the WWW...WWW trolls. Ya know, the ones that make you have to scroll? They are tearing this thing apart. goatse.cx [goatse.cx] links aside, this is what is really fucking slashdot up.

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470840)

i'm just stunned that you were stupid enough to reply to that.

thanks!

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Troll)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470875)

Try not sleeping for 4 days straight and then finding out your g/f has been cheating on you. And, while this comment is likely to change that, notice how your posts are -1 and mine are not. What does that tell you fuckhole?

*puts on Soulfly - Back to the Primitive*

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470889)

Try not sleeping for 4 days straight

Duuuude! I don't care if your gf is cheating on you. Get some sleep now!

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

RGRistroph (86936) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470938)

My record is 58 hours. Afterwards I slept for 24 hours straight and woke up having to pee real bad and extremely thirsty. It was a combination of trying to get problem sets done and foolishing taking other people's night shifts at work because I needed the money.

You ?

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (0, Offtopic)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470955)

Not sure if you were speaking to me or the AC, but I'll tell you anyway. My record is 6 days 21 or so hours. All I remember is I passed out before I reached 7 days. Mine is a physical abnormality - I don't need sleep in the way most people do. I need sleep, but it comes more easily (i.e. just resting, naps, etc...) Even with no sleep at al I do pretty well, and it's been proven that sleep deprevation actually increases certain types of brain activity.

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470896)

Try not sleeping for 4 days straight and then finding out your g/f has been cheating on you.

Well, it's no wonder she cheated on you after you went on your four day methamphetamine binge.

Meth and chicks don't mix, buddy.

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470911)

Not funny. She cheated on me because she was a sadistic whore. She was mean and through my own self-delusion by love I couldn't see it. And I stay up because I am an insomniac - my body is mutated, if you will, you support sleep deprevation. I still get tired, I just won't die. Up till a point, and the delirium is beginning to set in...

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470916)

Could you post her number here please?

-yet another sex-deprived /bot

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470931)

can you give me your girlfriend's phone number, please?

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Flamebait)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470932)

Log the fuck in and I'll murder your ass. It's not funny, I'm pissed.

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470964)

I think that you are a fawking troll. Go to Geekizoid [geekizoid.com] you bloody wanker!

Re:OT: These Fucking Trolls (-1, Offtopic)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470970)

True - I'm using trolldot to let out all my anger. And those trolls are fucking it up. I know it doesnt make sense, I'm too tired...

btw, log in you sissy bitch.

Download patches, use mirrors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470811)

and waste moderation points on an Anonymous Coward this time.

That was quick... (1)

pjbass (144318) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470817)

Just seemed like yesterday that 2.4.11 was out. I guess I missed 2.4.12. Kudos to the team for pounding out new code like this.

On a related note, does anyone know if any type of development on 2.5.x or (shall I say...) 3.0 is being done? Just seems that right around this time with 2.2 the 2.3 kernels were cranking up. In any event, keep 'em coming!!

Re:That was quick... (2)

cymen (8178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470865)

Linus is planning on handing 2.4 over to Alan Cox and starting on the 2.5 branch pretty soon... Maybe 2.4.14? Who knows though...

ChangeLog (2, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470820)

final:
- page write-out throttling
- Pete Zaitcev: ymfpci sound driver update (make Civ:CTP happy with it)
- Alan Cox: i2o sync-up
- Andrea Arcangeli: revert broken x86 smp_call_function patch
- me: handle VM write load more gracefully. Merge parts of -aa VM

pre6:
- Stephen Rothwell: APM idle time handling fixes, docbook update, cleanup
- Jeff Garzik: network driver updates
- Greg KH: USB updates
- Al Viro: UFS update, binfmt_misc rewrite.
- Andreas Dilger: /dev/random fixes
- David Miller: network/sparc updates

pre5:
- Greg KH: usbnet fix
- Johannes Erdfelt: uhci.c bulk queueing fixes

pre4:
- Al Viro: mnt_list init
- Jeff Garzik: network driver update (license tags, tulip driver)
- David Miller: sparc, net updates
- Ben Collins: firewire update
- Gerd Knorr: btaudio/bttv update
- Tim Hockin: MD cleanups
- Greg KH, Petko Manolov: USB updates
- Leonard Zubkoff: DAC960 driver update

pre3:
- Jens Axboe: clean up duplicate unused request list
- Jeff Mahoney: reiserfs endianness finishing touches
- Hugh Dickins: some further swapoff fixes and cleanups
- prepare-for-Alan: move drivers/i2o into drivers/message/i2o
- Leonard Zubkoff: 2TB disk device fixes
- Paul Schroeder: mwave config enable
- Urban Widmark: fix via-rhine double free..
- Tom Rini: PPC fixes
- NIIBE Yutaka: SuperH update

pre2:
- Alan Cox: more merging
- Ben Fennema: UDF module license
- Jeff Mahoney: reiserfs endian safeness
- Chris Mason: reiserfs O_SYNC/fsync performance improvements
- Jean Tourrilhes: wireless extension update
- Joerg Reuter: AX.25 updates
- David Miller: 64-bit DMA interfaces

pre1:
- Trond Myklebust: deadlock checking in lockd server
- Tim Waugh: fix up parport wrong #define
- Christoph Hellwig: i2c update, ext2 cleanup
- Al Viro: fix partition handling sanity check.
- Trond Myklebust: make NFS use SLAB_NOFS, and not play games with PF_MEMALLOC
- Ben Fennema: UDF update
- Alan Cox: continued merging
- Chris Mason: get /proc buffer memory sizes right after buf-in-page-cache

Alan merges again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470877)

Alan Cox: more merging

And AC just keeps on merging. If he's not careful, he'll be completely assimilated to the kernel code soon!

Cool (-1)

xXgeneric nicknameXx (463142) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470825)

Can I run it on Win98?

ptrace vulnerability fixed? (0, Redundant)

jwbrown77 (526512) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470831)

Does anyone know if it's been officially stated that this kernel has fixed the ptrace vulnerability? Hopefully 2.2.20 will be out soon too...

Re:ptrace vulnerability fixed? (2, Redundant)

sting3r (519844) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470872)

They have not stated it because of DMCA concerns (see my other post [slashdot.org] ) but it has been fixed. Take a look at the patch around line 17253 (ptrace.c) to see what they did.

-sting3r

Direct link to mirrors (4, Redundant)

chrysalis (50680) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470836)

Please avoid slashdoting the main server. Here is list of direct links to mirrors. Version 2.4.13, full tarball : [al [kernel.org] ] - [dz [kernel.org] ] - [as [kernel.org] ] - [ad [kernel.org] ] - [ao [kernel.org] ] - [ai [kernel.org] ] - [aq [kernel.org] ] - [ag [kernel.org] ] - [ar [kernel.org] ] - [am [kernel.org] ] - [aw [kernel.org] ] - [ac [kernel.org] ] - [au [kernel.org] ] - [at [kernel.org] ] - [az [kernel.org] ] - [av [kernel.org] ] - [bs [kernel.org] ] - [bh [kernel.org] ] - [bd [kernel.org] ] - [bb [kernel.org] ] - [by [kernel.org] ] - [be [kernel.org] ] - [bz [kernel.org] ] - [bj [kernel.org] ] - [bm [kernel.org] ] - [bt [kernel.org] ] - [bo [kernel.org] ] - [ba [kernel.org] ] - [bw [kernel.org] ] - [bv [kernel.org] ] - [br [kernel.org] ] - [io [kernel.org] ] - [bn [kernel.org] ] - [bg [kernel.org] ] - [bf [kernel.org] ] - [bi [kernel.org] ] - [kh [kernel.org] ] - [cm [kernel.org] ] - [ca [kernel.org] ] - [ic [kernel.org] ] - [cv [kernel.org] ] - [ky [kernel.org] ] - [cf [kernel.org] ] - [ea [kernel.org] ] - [td [kernel.org] ]


Re:Direct link to mirrors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470894)

Yeah, Yeah. We all know you want the 100mb/s to yourself. Karma/Bandwith wh0re!

Security fixes (5, Informative)

sting3r (519844) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470837)

What they didn't mention were a few interesting security fixes from bugs in 2.4.12, probably due to the self-imposed DMCA "gag order." Since I am not in the US, I will take the liberty of posting them here:

  • Changing some I2O settings now requires the CAP_NET_ADMIN privilege. Previously any user could alter these settings and possible cause a DoS (lock up the box or lock up the I2O bus).
  • A race condition in the inode cache was repaired. This would allow stale inode data to be used (under the right circumstances), most likely only on SMP systems.
  • Several potential vulnerabilities involving ptrace() have been closed, preventing a few kernel-based local root exploits.
  • Bugs in the USB code which could have been leveraged to obtain direct hardware access have been fixed. These bugs may have resulted in local root exploits if security-critical hardware (such as hard drives) was on the USB bus.

-sting3r

Kernel 2.4.13 is out..yay.... (1)

sheol (153979) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470841)

well...the past 2 releases had bugs... How do we know this one doesn't? I think I will hold off on installing until it's been tested without problem. The previous 2 releases( 2.4.11 and 2.4.12 ) haven't done much for my opnion of the quality control process as of late....

Re:Kernel 2.4.13 is out..yay.... (-1)

mighty jebus (247173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470855)

we ARE the quality control process, dumbass.

Re:Kernel 2.4.13 is out..yay.... (1)

tao (10867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470886)

Oh my! The last two releases had bugs?! Gasp!

If you expect software to be totally bugfree, expect no software more advanced than hello world, and even then, greatly delayed by rigorous QA...

Seriously though, v2.4.11 was a disaster, and Linus noticed and thus released v2.4.12 as soon as he could, which IHMO was a smart move. Because of this rushed release, a few small details wasn't 100% merged (parport springs to mind), but v2.4.12 is mostly working.

Still, if you don't participate in the in between kernel QA yourself (by using the pre-patches), don't complain. Linux is made by volunteers, who do it in their spare time. Contribute instead of complaining!

Re:Kernel 2.4.13 is out..yay.... (1)

maxpublic (450413) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470893)

Uh, that's what you're *supposed* to do unles you want to help with the beta-testing process. You *never ever* use a kernel less than six months old in a working environment. The release is done so that all of us geeks who like trying the new kernel out can, forwarding bug reports as we find them.

Remember, in Linux all beta-testing is *public*. If you don't want to beta test, just wait six months for a kernel to stabilize.

Max

Re:Kernel 2.4.13 is out..yay.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470912)

I think I will hold off on installing until it's been tested without problem.

A Linus release is not like a normal commercial software release. If it compiles on Linus' box, he releases it without a formal test process.

Use a RedHat kernel, which goes through a QA and stress process and contains patches which haven't made it into the main branch (often for trival reasons such as coding style or that Linus can't read all of his mail).

Not to recommend RH specifically, just that their QA process seems to be the most robust. SuSE or Debian would probably also be good.

Joystick still broken (1)

jmd! (111669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470844)

Looks like Linus AGAIN didn't bother to check in the joystick fix. It's been broken since 2.4.10. Vojtech Pavlik had a fix ready before 2.4.11, but Linus is sitting on stuff, as usual. Here's Vojtech's patch, if you're having analog gamepad problems. It's probably going to wrap awful in this stupid text box, so try to piece it back together.

Oh jeeze, stupid slashdot says there's too many junk characters. You're going to have to manually make these changes, then I guess, since it won't take the diff format.

in linux/drivers/char/joystick/analog.c

change
#define GET_TIME(x) do { if (TSC_PRESENT) rdtscl(x); else outb(0, 0x43); x = inb(0x40); x |= inb(0x40) speed > 10000 ? "M" : "k", (port->loop * 1000000) / port->speed);

to all of this
port->speed > 10000 ? "M" : "k",
port->speed > 10000 ? (port->loop * 1000) / (port->speed / 1000) : (port->loop * 1000000) / port->speed); }

Re:Joystick still broken (1)

tao (10867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470869)

No, as Linus has explained time and time again on the list, he does not "sit" on stuff. If a submitted patch hasn't gone into the next two or three pre-patches, it's because he's dropped it, either due to too much e-mail (the most common reason), missing/bad description of what it does (second most common) or bad/unwanted code (not too common.)

So, most presumably, Vojtech submitted the patch, but didn't resubmit it when Linus didn't react. Or, he submitted it to Alan only. And since Linus doesn't forward patches to Linus unless explicitly asked to if the subsystem has a maintainer, the patch probably got stuck there.

Re:Joystick still broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470904)

And since Linus doesn't forward patches to Linus unless explicitly asked to

Are you trying to say that Linus has got multiple personalities, like Linus "Evil" Torvalds and Linus "Nice guy" Torvalds? The Evil one won't forward patches to nice Linus unless explicitly asked to.

Re:Joystick still broken (1)

jmd! (111669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470906)

He submited it to Linus before 2.4.11, and after 2.4.12. The hell are you supposed to do, mail it to him every hour in case he just decides to rm /var/spool/mail/linus? Fuck, and I thought people were exagerating when they said how screwed up Linux's development model was. I think it's time to copy the BSDs.

Re:Joystick still broken (0, Troll)

jmd! (111669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470876)

Well, slashdot's STUPID code ate part of the patch, so screw it, keep on using 2.4.7. I can't deal with this shit.

Why don't you guys fucking think? Give people with a decent amount of karma like myself some leeway in what they're fucking posting. I'm obviously not a troll, this is an old account with positive karma. Get off your lame asses and make this a decent site, instead of all this lame shit. What the hell do you fucks do all day? Click a few user submited stories to post, then scratch your asses the other 23 hours 55 minutes?

This is your job. Try verifying a fucking story for once. Or learn proper fucking english. Or hire someone who can actually work on the BBS code who isn't a complete moron. And instead of bitching how slashdot needs more and bigger ads, why the fuck is VA paying, what, 5, 6, more? salaries for you assholes? This site could be run buy one guy part time. I realize you started it, but you've leeched off it long enough.

And while you're at it, what retard designed the slashdot UI? I can't motherfucking belive there are sites out there using slashcode and it's clones for their own site. This site has the worst UI I've ever seen. No fucking joke. It's really fucking bad. Take a step back.

Goodnight.

Re:Joystick still broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470953)

Ya, slashdot's filters are getting to the point of pissing me off. Moderators are enough to eliminate trolls..."garbage characters", "2 minutes between posts", "1 minute to write a post"...it's just disgusting.

Boring! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470850)

Linux is for weenies. Me, I'm going to eat some mushrooms and maybe roll a hit or two of X. Have fun with your pathetic geek OS, I'll be thinking of you when I'm tripping ball!

Making friends in the Australian outback (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470913)

hey!

you fuckin' with my truck?

no?

then what just wutt the fuck do you think yer doin' then?

eh?

me and me mate here been watchin' you since you moved in down the street.

seems to us that you ain't from 'round here. with yer fancy-schmancy car, and yer penny loafers, and yer purty wife, and yer shiny hair. well lemme tell you sumthin', mister too big fer yer britches, you fuck with my truck again, you fuckin' with razorback and when you fuckin' with razorback, you fiddin' to get a bona-fide ass-whoopin'.

yuhnderstand?

good. now go get me a goddamn grog! four X, yahear!

The Despair of NFS (5, Funny)

telekon (185072) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470856)

I was excited reading the kernel changelog until I got to this line:

- Trond Myklebust: make NFS use SLAB_NOFS, and not play games with PF_MEMALLOC

I'm sure NFS won't mind using SLAB_NOFS, but it's cruel to prohibit it from playing games with PF_MEMALLOC. NFS has reached the point where playing games with PF_MEMALLOC is the sole respite from the drudgery of its mundane life. None of the other protocols will play with it since the Trivial Pursuit incident of 1998, and it's banned from EQ for excessive Britishing.

Sure, we've all been inconvenienced a little now and again when NFS is playing games with PF_MEMALLOC, but it wasn't that bad, and it brought a glimmer of joy into NFS's otherwise bleak existence. Now NFS will be forced to sit alone in its room playing X Bill all alone until it goes mad and starts initializing remote filesystems at random.

Then where will we be?

Trond Myklebust, I hope you're happy with yourself. What did NFS ever do to you? It's just cruel, and we'll all have to deal with the consequences when people start running NFS on 2.4.13. You should be ashamed.

*telekon

Re:The Despair of NFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470861)

Have you ever considered that maybe you're one of the reasons why Taco wants to score all "funny" posts at -2?

Why don't you post something worthwhile for a change?

Re:The Despair of NFS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470881)

That was really fucking lame.

In the time it took you to write that drivel, you probably could have fit in half of a DMT or Salvia trip.

Try doing something worthwhil with your life - like drugs.

New Linux Bug! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470860)

There is a new recently discovered bug in Linux. After installing it on your PC, you can no longer play most games or be as productive. Also, your hair gets longer and you either become excessively skinny or fat, sweat more, smell like an old burrito, and repel the opposite sex. Hopefully a patch will be released soon.

Re:New Linux Bug! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470870)

Seriously. I installed XP Home and now I have time to actually have a life away from my computer. Now where did I put that sheet of acid?

575 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470862)

Linux two dot four
Unstable for Oracle
And your mom Dying

I like fast updates (1)

Yorrike (322502) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470868)

The Linux Kernel. Updates rolling out faster than communist tanks during the cold war.

Mee too (5, Funny)

zensonic (82242) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470871)

I want to be a slashdot editor too (looks easy):

if(new_kernel_arrived) {
version=X.Y.ZZ
if(slow_week) {
version=X.Y.ZZ-preWW
}

print "Looks like Linux X.Y.ZZ is out. You can get it at the usual place (kernel.org) and the mirrors. Check out the Changelog."

if(CmdrTaco just upgraded to ZZ-1 ||
weekday=tuesday) {
print "This is lame."
} else {
print "Grab. Test. Enjoy"
}
}

Re:Mee too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470941)

There are at least three bugs in your code.

Firstly, if new_kernel_arrived but ! slow_week, version != X.Y.ZZ-preWW. Therefore, -pre releases will be treated as -final releases on busy weeks.

Secondly, your print statement reports -pre releases as if they are final releases.

Thirdly, your test (weekday=tuesday) is always true; you want (weekday == tuesday).

Merging parts of VM patch? (1)

tiny69 (34486) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470882)

From the ChangeLog:
final:

. . .
- me: handle VM write load more gracefully. Merge parts of -aa VM
Isn't that how the latest VM mess started?

The good news is that Linus seems ready to hand 2.4.x over to Alan. From the latest Kernel Traffic [zork.net] Linus was quoted as saying:

. . .

He replied to himself shortly thereafter after noticing more breakage, adding, "On the other hand, the good news is that I'll open 2.5.x RSN, just because Alan is so much better at maintaining things ;)"
It seems that Linus is going to do the same thing that he did with the 2.2.x kernels, make a mess out of them (especially VM), have a few back-to-back releases, then hand the whole thing over to Alan.

Re:Merging parts of VM patch? (1)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470905)

Have some respect. He can code better than you or I or anybody here ever dreamed of. And do you know why? Because instead of wasting time on /. he is coding. I know it's hard to fathom, but not everyone wastes their time posting on trolldot.

Re:Merging parts of VM patch? (1)

tiny69 (34486) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470948)

I didn't say Linus was a bad coder. I'm just implying something that he admits to, he's a poor maintainer. The stable kernel series is suppose to be that, stable. It's not some place where you make radical VM changes. Linus should hand the 2.4.x kernels over to someone else so that he can do what he's best at, development.

Linus may well be one of the better coders in the world (I'm certainly no judge of that), but I don't think he has the patience to maintain anything. He's creative, he want's to go somewhere with Linux, some call him a visionary. Someone like that needs to use their creative energies, they need to develop something. The slow drudgery that maintaining (bug fixing) a project requires is not him.

Re:Merging parts of VM patch? (1)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470965)

My bad - my brain is having problems comprehending today.

Which releases are production stable? (5, Interesting)

S. Invicta (216709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470915)

I must say that I am getting a little bit leary about using the 2.4.x series in production. The fast releases don't inspire confidence. On one hand people (perhaps rightfully so) say don't use a kernel that is newer than 6 mo. old or you are a beta tester. But of course those older kernels were once bleeding new as well...how to know which to use and which to avoid? That 6 mo. old one might be the right age and yet perfectly horrible. Perhaps what is needed is a kernel stability/security chart that shows how well different kernel versions have "aged". Anyone know of such a beast?

Re:Which releases are production stable? (0, Troll)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470923)

Dumbass Karma whore. You know this is just gonna drag into a long discussion, so you try to get some karma out of it. *sigh*

Still ******** (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2470922)

More of this "Oh no DMCA gonna get me for fixing my _own_ code" bull eh? I am thinking that this self-imposed censorship is gonna end up hurting the linux community more than it is going to change the DMCA or any of the other thousands of stupid laws in the US and around the world.

Gotta love Cable Modems and bzip2! (1, Offtopic)

Codifex Maximus (639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470927)

Downloaded the linux-2.4.13.tar.bz2 file in less than 50 seconds @ around 300kb/sec. Wow!

Re:Gotta love Cable Modems and bzip2! (0, Offtopic)

snowlight (530394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470942)

Lovely, not everyone is a rich motherfucker like you. Some of us have to make due with a cracked Bluelight PPP account on a Lucent WinModem. So shut the fuck up cockgobbler.

Lemme guess... (1, Funny)

kentheman (24620) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470949)

"2.4.13 contains a highly severe filesystem bug, please upgrade to 2.4.14"

:-)

Alan's branch (5, Interesting)

BlowCat (216402) | more than 12 years ago | (#2470952)

SlashDot seems to pay more attention to the Linus' branch, but if you really want to be on the edge, you should track the Alan's branch (i.e. the "ac" series). The branches are synchronized with each other from time to time, but if you want to fix some problem, check the code in the AC branch - it may have the fix already. That's especially true for the sound drivers.

As for stability, the Linus' releases don't seem to be formally tested anyway. Maybe Linus is more conservative in applying patches before the release, but the recent events (2.4.11 and 2.4.12) show that the kernel may not compile in a common configuration and be released notwithstanding.

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