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From Gang Bangers to Web Developers?

Cliff posted more than 12 years ago | from the turning-ones-life-around dept.

Education 603

evenprime asks: "The Economist is running an article about a program that takes gang members in Milwaukee, sends them through rehab, and teaches them web development so that they can have a decent paying job. I think this type of program - one that gives people the ability to help themselves - is a great idea, and it is something that many of us could help with. Do slashdot readers know of any similar programs in other places? If so, what type of qualifications do you think they would require before allowing someone to help teach web design?" Such programs are just too damned cool. Are there any others like it?

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VANILLA ICE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477582)

The original and FIRST gang banger


VI


Eminem's mom is a good lay.

FUCK VANILLA ICE! (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477631)

Everybody knows to be a good gang-banger, you must come from the Bronx, like myself.

Vanilla Ice is a c0ck-smoking, cum-gurgling queer!

Gang bangers? (4, Insightful)

aozilla (133143) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477587)

Aren't we being a little presumptuous here? Kind of like saying all members of that linux gang are hackers...

um... (1)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477588)

Do they actually know what Gang Bangers are?

I thought this story was about ex-porn stars becoming web developers :)

in which case (1)

CrudPuppy (33870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477617)

in which case, they are going into the right business!

"hi, my name is bob, and I am a rehabilitated
porn star. thanks to gangs-to-webbies, I now
run a highly profitable adult website!"

heh

Re:um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477639)

yea, i also thought: Why would they want to teach prior sex fiends how to develop porn sites so that they could get some money.

Re:um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477766)

I hope you're joking. The term "gang bang" isn't the same as "gang banger", which has meant "someone who is or was in a gang" for at least 10-15 years now...

Ebonics web sites? (-1, Flamebait)

NineNine (235196) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477591)

But how many more Ebonics web sites do we need??

Great... (1)

T.E.D. (34228) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477593)

I just can't wait to see the flamewars when messages get crossposted to alt.crips and alt.bloods.

What websites have they created? (1)

Georgia (531651) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477597)

http://www.1337D00DZ.com/?
The actual sites they've created; are they worth while?

I'm up for teaching our evil children things to bring them back into the world, but is it just helping them be evil again???

Re:What websites have they created? (1)

Georgia (531651) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477624)

Another thing,
Knowing these children's past, who would be willing to hire them??
In this economy??

Lets face it, the world is cruel, and once you've gone evil, its impossible to start a new life again.

Re:What websites have they created? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477662)

once you've gone evil, its impossible to start a new life again.
Bush managed it...

Re:What websites have they created? (1)

CptnHarlock (136449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477701)

Bush managed it...

Only because someone showed he could be even more evil. That still doesn't make him good.

Re:What websites have they created? (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477708)

Lets face it, the world is cruel, and once you've gone evil, its impossible to start a new life again.


What a narrowminded, and let's face it stupid thing to say. Crawl back under your rock.


Tom.

Re:What websites have they created? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477729)

You know, I went to college and got a good job as a programmer to get away from "children" like these. It sounds like some pretty good money these guys are getting. I wonder what sort of salry negotiation tactics they use. It's not like we need more competition for the few jobs left, especially from "children" who carry guns. Why didn't he start a gang-banger to Jesuit program? I understand there's a real serious shortage of priests.

Re:What websites have they created? (1)

colster (530611) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477773)

Are you suggesting we could just shoot them if their design was bad?

Re:What websites have they created? (1)

plo (528637) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477786)

here are some websites [homeboyz.com] they've done....

More porn sites... (1)

akiaki007 (148804) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477601)

So now that they are developers. They can give us all more porn web-site "with experienced" pictures.

requirements for the staff positions... (1, Flamebait)

turbine216 (458014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477610)

as far as i know, the only requirement for getting a teaching position in this program is being able to translate gang-banger-ese into geek-ese.

For example:

beeitch = troll

sheeeit = w00t!

gonna smoke that mofo = i'm gonna frag him!

Re:requirements for the staff positions... (1)

Georgia (531651) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477643)

gang-banger-ese (I'm reading this: ebonics)?

Aren't you being a bit bigotous?
The last thing these evil children need are bigots like you!

Re:requirements for the staff positions... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477687)

oh, give me a fucking break - IT'S HUMOR!

And i really don't think i need to point out to you that your so-called "ebonics" really doesn't apply anymore, as it has effectively pentrated the WHITE gang-banger crowd. And if you're unfamiliar with the Milwaukee area, let me be the first to tell you...there aren't a whole lot of black gangbangers around here.

So to answer your question again, you fuck...i'm not being a bigot, I'm simply making your hemmhoroids grow another inch or two.

Re:requirements for the staff positions... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477698)

Project: Lockdown [projectlockdown.com]...Redefining Cincinnati Hardcore

Yeah, you sound like a milwaukee regular.
BTW - you humor sucks as bad as your band (I live in cinci).

Re:requirements for the staff positions... (2)

turbine216 (458014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477750)

i was born, raised, and still travel twice a year to milwaukee. believe me, i know what goes on there.

Re:requirements for the staff positions... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477772)

Georgia, could it be possible that you're black?

Bwahahahaha! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477712)

Damn, I can just imagine what the "For Dummies" book is gonna read like. . . .

Whoops. Three years late. (2, Insightful)

Maggot75 (163103) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477612)

The terms "Web development" and "Decent paying job" are mutually exclusive these days, neh?

Re:Whoops. Three years late. (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477792)

These kids don't seem to be doing all that badly out of it. Really, check out the article!

Tom.

Gang "bangers" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477615)

They call them gang "bangers" because they belong to gangs and they "bang."

bang (v): To strike heavily and often repeatedly; bump

To Quote Outkast: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477692)

Don't pull your thang out, unless you plan to bang.


Don't even bang, unless you plan to hit some-thang...

They should be pretty good at it. (4, Funny)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477619)

They're already used to working with tags :)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Re:They should be pretty good at it. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477775)

I don't get it...

If I may: What exaxtly is the point? (1)

WalterSobchak (193686) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477620)

Not to offend anyone...
Programs which try to help those who have "fallen" to get up on their feet again have been around for quite some time, in various areas and countries. Some organized by gouvernments, some by charities. What is the point exactly, that now people are learning the (excuse me, but questionable) qualification of WebDesigner?
I sincerely hope that it's not that slashdot readers are only aware of social issues when they become "geek-compatible".

Just my weird mind speaking,

Alex

Re:If I may: What exaxtly is the point? (2)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477751)

"I sincerely hope that it's not that slashdot readers are only aware of social issues when they become "geek-compatible"."

Fortunately, this issue has already been addressed. CmdrTaco has set up a special site that covers many social issues and current events, rather than those that're just "geek-compatible". The site format's substantially different, but it does do what you ask. The site is the Cmdrtaco News Network [cnn.com] . Cowboy Neal has also set up a site with additional material: More Stuff -- laeN yoBwoC [msnbc.com] .

Poor Choice of Title (1)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477621)


Am I the only on that had the image of mulitple porn actors being retrained for web development?

Probably, I guess. *sigh*

Re:Poor Choice of Title (1, Redundant)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477657)


Dammit, I was beat to the joke.

Someone mod me down as redundant, please.

I Was in a Gang... (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477626)

Tuesday, October 30, will be the date of an unprecedented Troll Tuesday!

On October 30th, beginning at 0800 EST and lasting until 2359, I ask that you write an original story, essay, joke, ASCII image, etc. regarding Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda and post, post, post it all over Slashdot!

So far 30 trolls of varying degrees of infamy have signed abord this ground-breaking project-- will you?

Email me at trollaxor@mac.com [mailto] with questions or suggestions!

October 30th, 2001: the Troll Tuesday of the Millenium

can t wait .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477627)

for the drive bys when someone calls up for service......

A "decent paying job"? (1, Redundant)

Ridge2001 (306010) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477633)

Last I checked web development wasn't much of a decent paying job any more [fuckedcompany.com] .

They should train for more promising careers, like defense contractors or pharmaceutical manufacturers.

Re:A "decent paying job"? (2)

malkavian (9512) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477666)

Hmm.. Many are already in the "Pharmaceutical Distribution" industry, so maybe those alternatives are more up their street... :)

It's a grand idea. (2, Insightful)

dave-fu (86011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477636)

Unfortunately, web design? With the advent of WYSIWYG editors like Dreamweaver and the lot and the decline and fall of startup "civilization", the ability to put together a web page won't get these kids too far (the article doesn't mention anything about programming or administration skills above and beyond simple web design being taught).
Slapping a cheap band-aid on a failing educational system ("The city has a 60% high-school dropout rate") won't fix anything permanently. It's nice that he's helped 72 lost youth find gainful employment, but what of the tens of thousands who haven't receieved aftermarket intervention?

It's been done before... (2, Insightful)

cobol4me (444373) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477637)


Actually, wasn't this how Australia got *it's* start?

stop this! (1)

Bjarke Roune (107212) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477638)

We have plenty of bang gang sites on the net already!

...not that I would know, of course!

They aren't already? (1)

Arthur Dent 75 (221061) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477641)

If you look at websites with a javascript and frames overkill like this [www.edag.de] you can get the impression that web designers (snowboarders) already have some decent criminal experience.

Also don't forget to check how many of today's websites fully comply with W3C recommendations. Just try the validator [w3.org] on popular sites. This shows that web designers are not the innocent sheep that they try to mimic.

Re:They aren't already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477691)

Dear oh dear...you *do* know that sites that pass the validator don't render properly in any browser in common use, right?

my office has a similar program.... (1)

Nick's Name (531306) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477647)

Actually it's quite the opposite. They turn hard working geeks into mindless underpaid drones. They seem to like it.

Sound like a South Park episode (1)

azizlumiere (147720) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477649)

Gang Banger ? The only gang banger I know don't wage war, they spread the love baby !

Why not acts on Finger banger too !
Ask kids not to Finger Bang one another because it leads to acts of random violence.

-Kenny do you know what's a finger bang ?
-[Answer Muffled]
-Huh ! Gross !

Whoa (1)

mESSDan (302670) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477650)

based on the title, I thought this was some sort of expose about how adult film stars are losing chicks to the web developers. Sheesh.

Hrm, actually... (2)

GoNINzo (32266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477654)

I think there's some great commonality there...

If you join a gang, you learn their secret customs.
If you join a web group, you learn their secret locations for web documents

In a gang, you have undying loyality to the leader, without any justification why.
In a web group, you have undying loyality to your particular brand of web server, without any justification why.

In a gang, you are forced to do stupid things, like homemade tattoos.
In a web group, you're forced to use stupid products, like Weblogics.

In a gang, you carry a gun that you use a lot.
In a web group, you carry an ego that you could use to kill someone.

If you leave the gang, they try to kill you.
If you leave the web group, they kill your access.

See, very very similar.

My most retroactively embarrassing moment ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477655)

It was in Grade 9 French (up here in Canada) and it was a snow day so the class was only about 1/2 full. The teacher, seeing the small turn-out, decides that we should do something different and fun, so she solicits ideas. Anyways I had heard this new term so I piped up "We should have a big gang-bang!" (thinking it was a party). I got quite a few funny looks, and later was informed of what a gang-bang was.

So, break laws and get free training (1, Troll)

Hairy_Potter (219096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477656)

Be a law abiding citizen and pay for training out of your own pocket.

Does anyone else see something wrong with this?

Re:So, break laws and get free training (3, Insightful)

tomknight (190939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477761)

No, I see nothing wrong with this. I'd feel happy to know my taxes are being spent on something worthwhile (and yes, this is a worthwhile project - anything that gets people involved with education is worthwhile), rather than all the other shitty things my government does with my money.

Would you rather your taxes were spent keeping these kids in prison?

Tom.

Gang Bangers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477659)

Anyone know what the hell is up with this term? I heard it on the news starting in '94 or so and could hardly believe my ears. It really makes no sense, must be one of the most pointless slang terms ever.

One program in the Chicago area (1)

Lesson1 (21801) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477661)

Here's a program that recently had a fund raiser at Chicago's Addler Planetarium (sp?):http://icstars.org/ [icstars.org]

Considering the current state of tech companies... (5, Funny)

x mani x (21412) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477663)

I think a lot of ex-web developers will be running to Compton, begging the gang-bangers to teach them how to pimp and push crack.

Have you tried getting a job as a web developer? (0, Redundant)

disc-chord (232893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477668)

This is not exactly ensuring a bright and prosperous future. I've been working my ass off for the last month... yet all I have is exactly $4 in my bank account. I need to buy food today on $4.

Frankly I'm at the point where I want to take up the trade of gang banging to get the money that's owed to me!

Re:Have you tried getting a job as a web developer (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477764)

For $4, you can get about a month's supply of ramen noodles. Get the chicken or shrimp kind with little bits of meat for some protein.

Good Idea (1)

KingKire64 (321470) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477669)

So when they are on the computer and see RTCW and see the damage a flamethower can do. They Well just use hi tech weapons for gang war. Not that the flamethower is a high tech weapon, sheaking of which where is the Troll thrower weapon?

Web Content (1)

slashbaby (261784) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477671)

I always wondered who had the time to create http://www.gangwars.com

Re:Web Content (1)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477706)

I thought it was http://www.pimpwars.com/ [pimpwars.com]

Is that the best choice of professional skills?!? (1, Redundant)

pointym5 (128908) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477673)

Seems like the last thing that the labor pool needs is a whole bunch of entry-level web developers. Aren't there a lot of those looking for work nowadays?

fuck that (1)

AssFace (118098) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477675)

what about us jaded and burnt out programmers? who is creating a program for us to turn to a life of crime and hit the streets popping caps and offing rival members and shit so that we can have some excitement in our lives?

damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

my life is so much fucking like office space it isn't even funny. except I don't get jennifer anniston. fuck.

Its funny.......... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477676)

I live in Milwaukee and never heard of this story before, its never been on the local news or local papers, but a Mag from England finds out about.

Sounds neat but why no local coverage.........

Quick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477677)

Somebody register gangbangers.com before these new web developers figure out how to do it!

I was once a criminal.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477679)

I was once a criminal. Life was tough, and only the strong survived. I was living on the street and forced to use Windows CE. I would beg for flash OS updates. For a patch I would do anything.

Than this man with the street name LT showed me the light. He and his penquin posse helped me clean up my act.

I am windows free for over a year all. LT and the crew changed my life.

This is old, just look at IT (2)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477684)

Seriously, how many of you have dealt with your local IT guy and not thought that they were previously gang bangers? All you have to do is look at the situation where you have an IT group rather than just one guy, they revert back to their gang mentality. True it is a more nerdy gang and there's more pocket protectors and less Uzis and bandanas, but think about it, they operate like a gang.

Think back to the last time you needed to install a program, you couldn't do it because you don't have "administrative rights." In other words, it's IT's turf, and you can't tread on it. Then you asked the IT guy that was floating around if he could do it, and he said "you need to talk to my administrator." In other words, knuck-knuck can't make those types of decisions, show some respect and go talk to little T-Moe if you want to get the hookup. So you go talk to little T-Moe and you say that it's Mission Critical and you need it ASAP. Well, he says "we have logged your request and we will assist you as soon as we have the resources." In other words, as soon as Big-C is finished with his 40 ounce and box of BBQ Wangs, he'll bounce on over to your cube and computer-jack your workstation for the couple of hours it takes him to install your application. Then you call little T-Moe when the job is done to say thanks, and all he says is "fuhgettaboutit."

This also poses another interesting question: were they gangbangers before or after they graduated from the Devry institute?

Seriously though, this program of troubled youths to web developers is something to watch closely and see how things turn out, if it ends up being positive and these kids really become upstanding citizens then we need to start more similar technology related programs.

But of course if it doesn't work out then this just means there will be a lot more websites that steal your credit card information...

Skeptical... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477686)

I'm always skeptical of these too-good-to-be-true feel-good stories. So these are gang members and drug addicts, and the vast majority are able to clean up their act? And handle the boring, uptight corporate workplace? Not one of the 150 programmers has gone back to their "old ways"? Seems fishy...

Have to learn how to read first (2, Informative)

Brian_Ellenberger (308720) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477689)

This is not a slur towards anyone or anything, but the bigger problem is that most of these kids can't even read. I was interested in doing this sort of thing a couple of years ago when I was living in LA.

I spoke with someone who was actually did urban education. She came into it wanting to teach urban kids advanced skills and ended up teaching them basic reading and writing skills.

There are alot of skills Slashdotters take for granted that these kids probably don't know. Like reading at a 9th grade level or knowing multiplication tables or how to write a paragraph.

Brian Ellenberger

Re:Have to learn how to read first (2, Funny)

errxn (108621) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477785)

There are alot of skills Slashdotters take for granted that these kids probably don't know. Like reading at a 9th grade level or knowing multiplication tables or how to write a paragraph.

Have you been reading the same Slashdot that I have?

This is new? (1)

radrich449 (531091) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477693)

I thought that Microsoft has been doing web development for a long time now.

bad webpages? (1)

L-Wave (515413) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477696)

so if we tell them thier webpage sucks, or if we deface thier pages...do we get shot?

Hmm (1)

wizarddc (105860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477697)

I thought Gang Bangers already made websites...

like http://www.porn.com, http://www.sex.com, http://www.gigantichooters.com

Oh, THOSE Gang Bangers...

Why not train them for a job with a future? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477707)

Isn't the "Web Development" job market saturated to the point where hundreds of thousands of "Web Developers" are unemployed? Isn't a growing portion of development now done (less expensively) oversees?



Why train people for a job with a limited future? Maybe because they know they can get away with paying newbies 20-25K a year, if not less?



After no high-paying fantasy web job after 6 months, and they'll be back on the streets. I know I would be.

This is an awesome idea. (1)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477713)

I mean, everyone deserves a second chance (except perhaps Bill Gates). I'm not sure about whether I would want these guys working on my E-commerce applications, however they would probably be ideally suited to working on community weblogs, or rap music fan sites.

Once we can be sure that they are not going to return to a life of crime, then maybe they should get a chance at the e-commerce jobs. Why not ? After all, as criminals they would have some insight into the criminal mind, and criminal techniques. Just what we need.

What a laugh.... (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477714)

Thankfully there's a major purge happening in the software development industry right now (though unfortunately it's affecting people who don't deserve it too), cleaning out the loads and loads of people who signed up for software development after seeing a nightly "Train for a promising future in IT!". I do hope that there are loads of people who've redirected their career aspiritions to other fields (there still are quite a few other fields out there) lest we have an unproductive world of 5 billion "software developers".

I saw a commercial on TV that just blew me away: It was for the Goodwill I believe and they were talking about where they spend the money raised, and it went like "We train people in small engine repair, landscaping [ergo grass cutting], and software development". Give me a friggin' break. Why not "We train people in management, advertising executive positions, and medical practice". It's just as credible. So many people refuse to acknowledge the massive information mass that has to be consumed to be effective in this field.

Tech skills not enough (3, Insightful)

Tassach (137772) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477721)

Web development is more than being able to use FrontPage, or even being able to hand-code HTML. Language skills are essential -- an ungrammatical, misspelled web page is unprofessional. Some artistic / asthetic skill is required too -- chosing good color schemes, coming up with an attractive & functional layout, etc.


I think that web development is still a pretty decent entry-level job. While there are not as many new public web sites, most big companies are still investing a lot of time & money in their intranets. Web development is becoming like every other kind of software development -- 90% of it is done for internal company use. That's not going to change anytime soon.

Great idea... (1)

Knunov (158076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477723)

Yeah, that's brilliant. Spend gobs of cash educating pre-criminals in a technology field that is already overcrowded with mediocre talent.

What will society get in return? An unemployed former gang member mediocre HTML 'coder' that realizes jacking the working man is far more profitable and 10 times easier.

Gangbangers? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477726)

Aren't there already enough pr0n sites on the web? Do we need to train more gangbang participants to be webmasters?

Yo G! (1)

thejake316 (308289) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477728)

Twizzap biatch! Yo! Yo! Web D in the hizouse, bustin' mad HTML on ya bitch asses. Linux 35 life, no punk card pulled on y'all NT admin shorty, mad G dog gettin' all cray-zee up in all y'all lay-deez, cornah my real estate you be pushin up the day-zeez, uh. Ball Street to Wall Street, we makin' money gettin paid, writin' code gettin' laid, off the bad pizipe dogs, yeah, and into the kind. J-Skripts, mad skillz, no billz, all ya shorties is belong to us. Outtie, brahs!

Cliff's one naive motherfucker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477730)

Let's get these poverty-stricken individuals and put them into the most glutted sector of the industry where even if they found a job, they'd be out of work in a month. Then watch them return to crime...

Reminds me of Thompson's W-2 program (4, Interesting)

TomatoMan (93630) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477733)

Then-governor of Wisconsin Tommy Thompson (now Secretary of Health and Human Services in the Bush administration) tried something similar with the W2 [jsonline.com] program in 1996: giving welding training to welfare recipients so they could have decent-paying jobs and get off welfare.

Sounds great, but many of these people, as I understand it, had never worked before, and were fired shortly after being placed because they had no workplace skills that emphasized things like showing up on time or calling in if they were sick. They had welding skills, but there's a lot more that goes into getting someone ready to join the workforce. Specific-skill training seems a temptingly easy solution to transition-to-workforce problems, but it has to be part of a bigger plan if it's going to work.

It's funny, laugh. (1)

XPulga (1242) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477735)

Yes, no one had thought of it before. [dzaba.com]

Currently web designers are being payed by the ounce of bloat (flash, asp, jsp...), not for decent design.

Oh good... more wannabee web developers... (2, Insightful)

SwedishChef (69313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477738)

Just what the world needs. I get at least one application every day from "web developers" who want to tap into that vast market for web pages out there. Each and every one has done at least one web page. Some have done two or three. They can all use Frontpage but none of them can read their HTML, few have heard of XML, and they all pronounce Linux "lie-nix".

I know a phone tech who wants $36,000 a year cuz he is "really a web developer". He'd be better off learning what DNS means.

I think the answer to poverty is not quick-and-easy training in some buzz-word technology or how to use some piece of software. I think that the groups involved in leadership of minority groups have to take some responsibility for their own community failings and start to drive their kids towards real, thorough (that means "hard work") education.

Hrmm... (2)

spankenstein (35130) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477741)

And I was just about to join a gang because the job market for web development isn't very promising at the moment.

Why don't they train them for more stable jobs? Like something in healthcare or public service. The technology market is flooded anyway. So these people will recieve this training and have all the "promises" and then they won't be able to find a job much better than food service.

Wouldn't the black market and the drug trade seem to have better pay offs?

I'm sorry, but (-1, Flamebait)

The Truth Is Out The (528608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477742)

There are already enough eyesores on the web. The last thing we need is more bright, gaudy colors and gratuitous use of animal prints. Really, negroes should stick to "gang banging", not web design.

Unfair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477743)

So I guess you have to be in a gang to get a free education? I can see it now: "sorry poor kid, you've got to go deal drugs, do a drive by or kill someone for their sneakers before we can educate you. BTW, do you prefer red or blue?" what about teh people like this? the ones who got a bad break in life but have not commited a crime?

I had to reverse the process (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477744)

I was a web devloper, but had to become a gang banger to feed my family. Damn, I wish these people would give these kids a chance in life. I wouldn't wish web devlopment on my worst enemy.

STRIVE (2)

JohnTheFisherman (225485) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477748)

It's not specifically technical, but it's a highly successful (well, relative to any Government program) welfare to work program that's privately funded, typically by the companies that hire people.

http://www.strivecentral.com/ [strivecentral.com]

Ok - now lets take a realistic look at this... (0, Troll)

Sonicboom (141577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477752)

If you were an employer, would you hire one of these guys???

Drug and crime convictions...

First they have to pass an interview. Then they have to pass the urine test. *hah*

And how many employees would feel safe knowing that there are gang members working along side of them. I don't think that bringing violence INTO the workplace is such a good idea... considering that we're trying to get it OUT of the workplace.

I don't think the Crips and Blood will do well adhereing to the "corporate casual" dress code.
I can hear it already....

employer: "Sorry Julio, you can't wear your gang colors to work."
Julio: "Fuck you maing, step off befoah I buss a cap in yo ass! Foo!"

SIDE NOTE: If I was a web developer I'd be enraged about this article - as it's saying that illiterate criminals can do your job!

Re:Ok - now lets take a realistic look at this... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477776)

Yes I am offended I take pride in my job. You don't see me trying to break into the "gang bang" market!

But.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477753)

... is it possible to turn web developers into gang bangers?

Trippin' (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477754)

Yo, quit trippin'. All ya just up on this bitch trying to be fly like us thugs. Representing my peeps down in Compton, I be makin' some funky ass web page shit! Wishin' I was back in m my crib, puffin' on a phatty J, instead I be making some web shiet, bitch! It's all about the Benjamins!

Web Development.. (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477755)

Lemme guess, they minor in internet appliances?

A good start (1)

sirket (60694) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477758)

It is about time our society stopped trying to punish criminals instead of getting them to contribute something back to society.

For example, I have never understood the benefit of throwing a drunk driver who accidentally kills someone in jail. Instead of ten years in prison, why not a lifetime of community service? The person involved would probably jump at the chance to avoid jail, and society would benefit a lot from having people available to do extra jobs like teach or clean up a neighborhood.

This would not work for everyone though. Child molesterers or murderers probably do not deserve a chance to make up for their crimes, but others do.

-sirket

Just teach them well (1)

eAndroid (71215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477760)

As long as they aren't getting a day of Front Page and then let loose, it's a good idea.

Here we have a few private colleges that charge $12,000/year and basically teach students nothing useful. We've had a few in as interns. One thought it was a good idea to put Back Orifice on all the workstations. One couldn't figure out how to change the color of links in HTML.

Even now anyone with real skills can get employed with ease.

Spelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477770)

I wonder just how well the average gangbanger (Do you know what this word means?)spells? Spellchecking helps, but we're, were, where, they're their, there, to, too, two, and the like are all hints of spellchecking being heavily relied upon. These errors don't get corrected with rehab and technical training.


This sounds like a good program, but noting the fortune 500, how many were hired because of their race in addition to their skills via affirmative action?


It's good that they're getting a second chance at life. I'm just skeptical of everything.


I used the preview button and it erased a perfectly good argument.

Similar Program (0, Flamebait)

blixel (158224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477774)

Such programs are just too damned cool. Are there any others like it?


The Taliban has a similar program. Only it works the other way around. They take decent respectable impressionable young Muslims and turn them into terrorists who hijack jumbo jets and crash them into buildings.

Cool! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2477777)

Finally, an efficient program for turning inner-city gangs into script kiddie h4x0r cr3ws! I've been waiting so long.

If someone's going to be creating damage, then be sure to focus their attention on something that can't possibly get any worse. That's what i say.

hrm... (1)

dragonxhero (524736) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477780)

i was gonna crack (no pun intended ;) a joke about gangs in places like milwaukee, but reading the rest of the /. responses gave me pause....

i'd just like to say that i personally am happy to see that there are groups out there that are trying to improve peoples lives....

it's sorta ironic how so many people call for reform based programs instead of jail-time, but then a program like this that's intended to spark interest and develop skills is ridiculed by the majority of people (on /.) who comment on it.....

who cares if web development isnt' a high paying job anymore... who cares if their web sites aren't the greatest ever.... there are people out there actually trying to do something for others who have harder lives.... that's more than most of us can say, isn't it ;)

-- dragonxhero

Similar outlook, but for profit. (2, Insightful)

Benefice_tkn (531665) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477789)

Take a look at http://www.citysoft.com/ [citysoft.com] . They've been around for a couple of years and do similar things for Boston, NY, and Baltimore. The interesting thing here is that they try and do it for profit, rather than pure charity.

Oh, just great. (2)

pi_rules (123171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2477798)

Web development? Are they crazy? These guys might get one decent paying job, but as people wise-up they're going to stop paying web monkeys 2x what they're worth; it's already happening. They'll be even -more- pissed off then!

So now we've got technology savy, pissesd off, gang bangers. They'll be using the web to communicate and organize a revolution against the penal system and all Hell will break loose! Hey, I have an idea, lets give them guns while were at it!

Okay, but seriously... why web development? It's really a dead-end job and dying off at that. Give 'em something better, like *nix system administration or OO programming. At least then I'd look better coming into job interviews.
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