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Google Considers 'Speciality' Subscriptions

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the get-your-information dept.

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jdclucidly writes "C|Net is reporting that Google is considering moving to a subscription based service for educational and commercial entities. The new service will be a specialized spider in addition to their already popular web search." Lexis-Nexis, Google's coming for you.

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hello (-1, Troll)

sunken_ehime_maru (532081) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484286)


Bring on troll tuesday!

Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484299)

Looks like my other account, evil_spork, is still banned. :( Fuck you Taco and your bans. Wonder if he permbanned me this time. Oh, well, not like he can silence me. :)





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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484313)

Oh, btw, goatse.cx [goatse.cx] has announced a subscription service for more and wider strected open anuses. Reports are that CmdrTaco has purchased the first subscription.



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484338)

Ph34r my 31337 goatsex [goatse.cx] postzoring 5k1llz, Taco!



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484360)

I ph34r Taco's elite bitchslapping and account banning skills. Censoring bastards.



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484378)

Taco is a fucking loser. And linux sucks. Linux fucking sucks.



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484387)

So, where are all the other crapflooders? Why aren't they taking part in this? Someone wake that silly little monkey and his girlfriend spork_testicle up.



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484400)

Did I mention that Hemos sucks big fat throbbing goat cock? Oh, I didn't? Well, then. Hemos sucks big fat throbbing goat cock!



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484414)

Lameness filters suck. And I'm thoroughly surprised my crapflooding hasn't caused bug reports on SourceForge [goatse.cx] .



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484439)

My crapflooding fucking owns. I own you all. So drop down and give Taco 20.



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484452)

mmmmmmm.... goatsex. lots and lots of goatsex.... must ejaculate.....



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484462)

I am the goatsex guy. Bow down before me, biznatches.



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484477)

The lameness filter and IP bans suck. Get a life!



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484489)

C++ is the most pointless language ever. It is fucking inefficient and annoying.



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484505)

I need the feedback of fellow trolls and crapflooders. Is the page wide enough yet or does it need to be stretched more?



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Re:hello (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484507)

java rules your world, biznatch!



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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484515)

Just as long as it isn't running on Linux, though. Linux sucks.



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Re:hello (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484527)

Slashdot is adding features onto a system that isn't stable (crashes all the time). Even Windows has learned its lesson and doesn't do that!!
XP IS DA BOMB!





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Re:hello (-1)

Goddamn Niggers (522154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484531)

Ph34r the fucking crapfloods! The page just keeps getting wider and wider. Is something wrong, Rob?



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Re:hello (-1, Troll)

sunken_ehime_maru (532081) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484577)


it's too wide!





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Re:hello (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484601)

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Re:hello (-1, Troll)

sunken_ehime_maru (532081) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484561)


word up brotha!




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Re:hello (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484479)

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I feel so.....Alive! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484448)

I feel so alive! I can't deny you, Goddamn Niggers. I can't deny you! I feel so alive!!! And I think I can fly!
By the way, I just needed someone to talk to, and you were just too busy with yourself.

Re:hello (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484429)

Hey, take that back! CmdrTaco isn't just a customer, he's a spokesmodel!

Let's hit the road! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484311)

I'll fuck anything that moves!

Re:Let's hit the road! (-1)

Anomymous_Spork (447035) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484328)

even this? [slashdot.org] ....

damn, raise your standards.

Re:Let's hit the road! (-1)

Shitsack Comments (256887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484347)

Even this [rubbergash...ctions.com] ? You sick little monkey!

Re:Let's hit the road! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484397)

/me is being very, very still.

-The AC Avenger!!!!

Re:Let's hit the road! (-1, Troll)

anthrax_spork (532086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484413)


here i am big boy. bring it.

Re:hello (-1)

Mama's Family Troll (526669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484490)

bugger me all for a lark... oops, I screwed up, I should have logged in as "Drunk Scottsman Troll"

As long as it stays (1)

blumpy (84889) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484294)

As long as it stays, I don't mind too much advertising. Just don't make me use another search engine.

Re:As long as it stays (1)

hokanomono (530164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484406)

I don't understand what people get by subscribing (i don't know what is a "vertical" search), but I just hope the service will stay good for the non-paying users.

In the past google built an image of serious service, without popups, indication of paid ads... I have faith they will not want to give up this market for the new.

Re:As long as it stays (2, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484433)

A 'vertical search' is probably searching within that organizations websites; a large org, like a university can easily have tens of thousands of webpages and searchable documents, spread out over dozens, even hundreds of large and small servers all over the campus. My guess is this service is aimed at them - it's probably worth a bit of money to avoid having to implement your own internal search.

/Janne

I'd pay for this... (2)

Calle Ballz (238584) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484296)

... a search engine that lists every non-banner ad, non pop up, non advertising, free porn site in existance... both of them.

Re:I'd pay for this... (1)

Hal-9001 (43188) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484310)

If you install Junkbuster and configure Mozilla or Konqueror properly, you could probably increase that number to three... :-p

Re:one more thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484337)

don't forget adult check! That thing is killer!

Re:I'd pay for this... (1)

jmauro (32523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484365)

It looks like they don't want the customers (i.e. us) to buy from them directly, but those people like Universities and corporations who want custom enginers for their own customers.

Re:I'd pay for this... (1)

jesser (77961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484494)

It's reasonable to expect a site to not try to take over your computer (pop-up ads), but you shouldn't expect to find a lot of porn sites that are completely free of advertising; porn sites have to make money to pay for bandwidth and content. What do you find so annoying about porn banner ads, by the way? It's only when I'm reading text (at news sites) that I find myself hitting the Esc key to stop animations. I haven't encountered many annoying porn banner ads recently.

I used to avoid clicking on porn banner ads because they often lead to pop-ups, but now I block pop-ups and often click on banner ads. (See my URL for why I never simply disabled javascript.)

Why is everyone doing this? (0)

kfckernel (518726) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484302)

Is it really going to work? SourceForge started a subscription service recently also. Seems like more and more companies are going this route. Are people going to pay all these sites money when there usually exists a free alternative?

Re:Why is everyone doing this? (2)

bribecka (176328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484325)

Seems like more and more companies are going this route.

Which route? The one where a company can actually make money? They aren't a non-profit group, you know.

Re:Why is everyone doing this? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484332)

Only if the pay service is in fact better than the free service. Offering things like reliable uptime, real people doing support, and greater service (i.e. offering more things and expanded things compared to the free service) will be necessary to stay in business. If people can go free and get a mediocre site or pay and get a good site then a sufficient number of people could pay for the service, assuming it's something they want. Offering a pay service that doesn't do what enough people are willing to pay for is the road to bankruptcy.

How long... (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484314)

... until "Pr0n Image Search" is available for subscription?

I wanna buy stock the day before.

The cycle is almost complete! (1)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484316)

Not long now until another free search engine comes along and replaces Google in the same way that Google replaced Altavista!

If history is any guide.... (1)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484317)

..then Google will be sucessful at this endeavour. The key quesion is can they provide enough value to generate price subscription revenue. Their technology is mature but the content is questionable at best. Too bad the economy is forcing major instituitions to re-evaluate their budgets. I know that libraries and R&D departments are often the first to have their funding slashed.

Re:If history is any guide.... (1)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484336)

How many sites make money again? Not sites which are the way you contact existing companies - sites which appeared out of nowhere to make money selling information?

Re:If history is any guide.... (2)

drix (4602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484459)

Huh? Relatively speaking, their content is tops. Amongst all the internet search engines, I think you'll find that both anecdotally and empirically Google is tops. Granted, they're only indexing like 15% of the internet, but people tend not to care about that when everyone else only has ten.

Re:If history is any guide.... (4, Insightful)

dragons_flight (515217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484484)

Yeah, they really will have to add new content to get this to work. Hopely there is enough added value in periodicals, internal corporate materials and other sources to make it worthwhile to people.

What strikes me though is that they will have to add content which can't be available in the basic search. After all there is no reason to pay for specialty service, if what you want shows up as #3 on their free service. In this regard their technology is almost too good, and makes it hard to come up with information that isn't already available for free. I would be very disappointed if they started censoring what material was freely searchable just to put a price tag on some of it.

A search for CmdrTaco on Google (-1)

Shitsack Comments (256887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484321)

produced this [rubbergash...ctions.com] startling result.

Good for google....maybe. (2, Insightful)

mberman (93546) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484323)

I fully support google doing this, because I'd be very upset (with everyone else in the world, of course), if anything ever happened to them. On the other hand, we've been using google forever as the perfect example of ads. We always used to be able to say, "Look at google, they're fully supported by completely unobtrusive, targetted ads, that people actually click on when they're interested!" This change will take away our ability to say that, and, really, the claim seems less convincing when you add on, "...accept for all the money they make off some organizations for access to their specialized features." I'd also worry about them pulling a salon, and slowly making more and more of their formerly "standard" features subscription-based, until you can't do anything except perform one sample search of their choosing without paying huge sums of money. I can justify paying for salon, since I now read it instead of any newspaper, but I'm not sure the same would be true for a search engine.

For now, though, unless they do something that makes it hard for me to do what I can currently do for free, I welcome anything they do to increase their income...

Google Subscription (1)

butch812 (529419) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484324)

I think that's a great idea, they said that they will be doing it for corporate clients. Hopefully they don't touch the regular users. Google Rocks!!!

At least it's not GOTO.com (1)

pnutjam (523990) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484340)

I'm really happy with the service Google provides. Some of the stuff that pops up on those pay search engines is insulting to say the least. Google rocks and I hope they can get some loot rolling in to support them.

they probably got tired of (2)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484345)

people typing in "google" into their google search.

On a similar note, I like the new /. nav bar, I type in slashdot every once in a while to see what turns up.

Good plan! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484348)

I think Google should shift to pay services, because it will keep the lazy and shiftless mexicans from finding my web site.

Would you like a subscription to my whore? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484350)

$5 per BJ. $100 for a bumjob. WANT SOME?!

Re:Would you like a subscription to my whore? (-1)

Shitsack Comments (256887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484389)

I'll give you $1.50 for a stool sample from your whore.

Re:Would you like a subscription to my whore? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484410)

Sure. Here it is:

8=================D

WAIT! THAT'S A PENIS! YOU SLUT!

Do you like it?

How about Usenet? (4, Insightful)

uradu (10768) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484351)

If they beefed up Google Groups by adding archives before 1995, added a more powerful query mechanism (maybe regexp, even at the cost of reduced speed), and finally formatted the results in some more sensible fashion, I'd pay a fair bit per year for that. Given that I use deja (old habits die hard) many times every day, that would be worth even $100 a year for me.

Re:How about Usenet? (5, Interesting)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484394)

Actually , with regard to stuff before 1995, they're trying. I submitted a story (rejected of course) about 2 months ago that Google was hunting for specific USENET achive CDs, the "NetNews" CD collection from 1992 to 1995. The specifics are here [google.com] , but basically, they have some, but are missing a lot. They'd rather have the complete collection before they put up pre-1995 articles.

Re:How about Usenet? (2)

uradu (10768) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484632)

I remember that story (someone's got posted after all). But what good is it to wait a year or two until they have a "complete" archive, and only then posting it? Any old archive scrap is useful ASAP. What's the point in waiting?

Re:How about Usenet? (2, Interesting)

justletmeinnow (315504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484520)

NOOoooooooo!! No pre-95 stuff. It's bad enough that whenever I search for something with 'linux' or 'RedHat' I end up with non-useful info regarding RedHat 4.0 or some old garbage that doesn't apply anymore. I guess if I was searching for dog grooming threads it might be just as well, but who the hell does that?

Re:How about Usenet? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484603)

Good point. Someone do your job and mod this up.

Re:How about Usenet? (1)

savaget (26702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484613)

justletmeinnow
An advanced search by date would solve the problem of old stuff comming up during a search.

Re:How about Usenet? (2)

uradu (10768) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484614)

Well, that's what the date range settings are for. The thing is, many topics even in computing had their heyday before 1995. Say you're interested in low-level bit twiddling on some device port under DOS. Good luck finding current threads on that. OTOH, archives before 1995 would have a good splattering of that sort of thing. Stuff like this is becoming relevant again with the growing popularity of embedded computers based on the x86 platform.

What it comes down to is this: there's no such thing as too much data.

Oh shit... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484352)

Another Open Source golden child tries to make money... there goes the neighborhood.

Mess up their algorithm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484354)

I wonder if their ranking algorithm--which depends on using links as a guide to authoritativeness--would do worse on specialized "vertical" document collections, which might contain less meaningful (or no) links.

Or will they just modify the algorithm? E.g., for a patent search use the cross-references that are embedded in filings?

Lexis-Nexis, Google's coming for you. (3, Interesting)

duckbill (47856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484373)

I wish this was the case. Especially for the lexis legal research side.

I doubt they can replace these types of services in the immediate future. It takes tons of labor to acquire the material needed to put together these services. Especially if you offer a value-added component such as indexing and headnotes.

The promise of having this information on the internet has disappeared. During the economic boom, there were a lot of great web sites that took the time to digitize subsets of this information. They didn't index the material or offer the value-added features, but the raw content was still available.

Since we have dipped into a recession, these sites either cease to exist, or they are updated too infrequently to be relied upon.

To my knowledge the only companies that have these data stores are Lexis and for some legal and business matters, West Publishing. I don't see how Google can get the information without a licensing agreement from either company. If they have to pay for the license, I don't see how I could reap any benefits. Google's subscription couldn't be much lower than Thompson (Lexis) or West. Both services offer reasonable search capabilities in their present incarnation.

Actually Lexis doesn't own the content. (1)

glrotate (300695) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484481)

West Publishing does aka Westlaw. Lexis licenses the content.

That said I doubt google is looking into providing legal research capabilities. They may be moving into the Nexis (news archive) side of the business though.

Re:Lexis-Nexis, Google's coming for you. (1)

Pravada (217899) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484634)

Lexis costs so darn much because they pay each content provider for the rights to search and reproduce the articles. Google only searches free content, so all they have to pay for are their devs, hardware, marketing et al. Lexis pays huge fees to the Washington Post, South China Morning Post, and so on...

Moral of the story? There's not going to be a Lexis-killing Google anytime soon. However, Lexis licensing Google's search for their archives would be a wet dream...

I always wondered when Google would sell out... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484376)

It seems offering free anything isn't going to make you a penny... free searches, free software...

Bring It (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484386)

We right here, this is all that we don't care.

Well anyway my friend Andrew would like to thank whoever gave him the direct link to the goatse.cx picture, he's been using it nightly!

He loves to stare at it for hour at a time. I ever never saw him take such an interest in a picture, he loves it so much,

He would personally like to thank the person that did give the link.

Please email him at zila_monkey_love@hotmail.com

search for "whiny" on Google! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484391)

Crawliiiing in my skiiiiin, these wouuunds they will not heal!
sniffle, sniffle
I just needed someone to talk to, YOU were just too busy with YOURSELF!
Waah! Waah! Boo hoo!
I tried so haaaard, and fell so faaaar, and in the end it doesn't even matter!
Woe is me! Winge! Whine!
I feel so alive! for the very first time! And I think I can FLY!
sob, sob, I'm sooooo deep!

Well... (0)

Evil_Furby (153516) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484396)

As long as I can still use it for free I don't care really what they do to it. Ads don't bother me much anymore so if they ad more it doesn't matter to me.

Let me get that straight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484403)

If I subscribe to say "linux" and "porn", I'll have nice "linux" and "porn" radio buttons next to the search terms field, which, when pressed, will transparently add the words "linux" and/or "porn" to my query terms? Sounds like a good deal, thanks Google!

Re:Let me get that straight (1)

hokanomono (530164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484438)

I wonder the same.

What is a vertical search?
Who will pay for that radio button? Oh wait.. not everybody knows how to use a web-search.. can i buy something like google-stocks somewhere?

Re:Let me get that straight (1)

duckbill (47856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484466)

>What is a vertical search?

I don't know, but I'll speculate. Vertical search may be the marketing term for a depth first search that uses some type of relevance heuristic on key word matching inside of a pre-sorted dataset.

For all the search specialists, please correct this above statement. It would be valuable to my academic pursuits if you helped point out the flaws in my speculation.

Re:Let me get that homosexual (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484469)

uunngh yeh just wait till I get my hands on that hot bitch Hemos.... oooh yeah I'm gonna be all over that like stink on horseshit. I'll strap him down in my old oak cabin in the woods and tickle his asshole with a severed squirrel's tail while we watch the soaps together. Me in my recliner and him tied to the slab, then I'll drill a hole in his head and ease my cock into that nice warm well-lubricated orifice. As the kool-aid man might say, OH YEAH!

Re:Let me get that straight (1)

collar (34531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484495)

http://www.google.com/linux

something like that you mean?

I feel so alive!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484416)

Hey guys! I feel so alive! I can't deny you, Hemos! I can't deny you! I feel so alive! It's been a while since I've said I'm sorry... Oops, that's a different story. Anyways, I feel so alive, and I think I can fly! Imagine that, I rhymed "alive" with "fly"! Suck on that, Word XP rhyming dictionary! Bet you didn't see that one comin'!

Hey, am I a great poet or what?

Not a new market (1)

justletmeinnow (315504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484431)

This really isn't a new market. It sounds like they'd be trying to take people out of the existing 'free service' and make them pay some fees to get a slightly different service. All in all it's the same service, you search for something and you find it. I don't see much of a market for making people pay for something they can get for free. Now, if they dumbed down their free service so you couldn't find anything maybe people would be willing to pay a little premium in order to achieve their goal...

Re:Not a new market (1)

butch812 (529419) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484472)

How many home users do you know that would pay for this? Why not just go to a different search engine. Try http://www.teoma.com that's a pretty good, there is another one which I dont remember I will post if I do

Google subscription service (1)

jonestor (443666) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484467)

And what's wrong with that?

God bless Mommy, and Daddy, and Google... (2, Insightful)

moniker_21 (414164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484487)

From the article:
"Google, however, has vowed not to go down the pay-for-placement road, preferring to stake its future on the strength of its search technology."

And this is exactly why I will only use Google for my searching needs. Why would I want a lesser relevant result just because some company with cash thinks I should see thier website first?

Slashdot Considers 'Speciality' Subscriptions (3, Funny)

flufffy (192294) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484499)

According to this story [cnet.com] on CNET, anyway. Here's a taster:

Slashdot sees revenue in ads, fees

By Gwendolyn Mariano

Staff Writer, CNET News.com

October 25, 2001, 12:30 p.m. PT

Slashdot.org, the "news for nerds" Web site popular among software developers and Linux fans, said this week that it plans to use larger ads and offer a subscription service.

When Slashdot increases ad sizes, it plans to introduce a subscription service for people who want to pay for an ad-free version. Jeff Bates, who runs the site, said Thursday that Slashdot will launch the new ads and subscription service early next year. The cost of the service has yet to be determined.

"The larger ad formats are coming about really because, as Bob Dylan put it, 'The times, they are a'changing,'" Bates wrote in an e-mail interview. "While we'll still be mostly featuring the 468-by-60 banner, we're trying to work with our advertisers and see how we can work together. Rest assured though, we'll still be only having one ad per page."

Re:Slashdot Considers 'Speciality' Subscriptions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484525)

Yeah. All those socialist ideals go out the window when its time to by groceries. All the high school kids reading slashdot should take this as their most valuable lesson.

There is nothing wrong with helping people. There is also nothing wrong with building wealth. Don't let people trick you into thinking they are doing the former just by denying the latter.

[this is good] (2)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484502)

I like it, but if they don't go with the common mainstream stuff. For example, if they targeted specific hobbies, it would really be valuable. My example (which I can't hope for them to address) of classic arcade games (the actual 6' ones you find in the arcade) really could use a STRONG search engine that is focused on the niche.

It'd hook me up with schematics and other things I need. Great for niche exploration.

The problem with Charging for Google (3, Interesting)

(nil) (140773) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484551)

I've long held that if Google charged, I'd be in trouble. "How come," you ask? Well--Google is simply the best. There's nobody else there that comes close.

Think about it: how many times per day do you use Google/Google Groups? As for me, it's a bunch.

I must conclude that, if Google charged, I'd be forced to pay.

-(())

I think that (-1)

part!cle (473500) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484560)

Google needs its own topic icon. God knows it gets enough post-space here on /.

Offtopic, but cool - meta-moderation (-1, Offtopic)

JWhitlock (201845) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484569)

I just tried to meta-moderate, but it told me there were no comments to meta-moderate. I wait a few seconds, then it can only deliver 2 comments to meta-mod!

If this gets modded down (or, can't think why, up), then the next meta-modder will see it! Real-time metamoderation!

Any AC's want to comment how this signals the doom of Slashdot / OSDN / VA Linux?

Revival (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484576)

After ABBA, Village People and Gloria Gaynor:

http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/
http://goatse.cx

Strike back.

Have a nice friday, with lots of porn, beer and slashdot trolling!

Excellent idea (1)

SevenTowers (525361) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484580)

Google really should have done this a while ago. At the stage of growth the have attained it's the next logical step to undertake. I for one would not want them to implement banners and such to get revenue. Let the compagnies and large institution cover the expenses, since the service they will receive will probably be excellent anyway.

Re:Excellent idea (1)

butch812 (529419) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484595)

It's smart of them not doing it a while ago, now that they have established themselves as the BEST search engine out there. They can get anything they want for it.

Fly on the wall at Google (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484587)

A pointy-haired marketing boss meets with his crew: "Ok, team. A few days ago, one of the geeks pointed me to this story [slashdot.org] on Slashdot. After reading it and the comments associated with it, I realized that Google is missing out on the critical "search engines that suck" marketplace. As a result, many people are using our site, thus increasing our hardware and bandwidth costs. In an effort to reduce these expenses, and generate revenue, we need to come up with a way to make Google suck more. Any ideas?

Clueless Git #1: I'm thinking pop-up windows, and lots of them. Nothing sucks more than that!

Clueless Git #2: No, no, no. Pop-up windows have been done to death, and there are too many ways to disable them. We need something else; How about loading down the page with graphics and banner ads?

Clueless Git #3: Sure, that's going to suck, but people can always turn off graphics. We need something that will make the site not only more annoying, but also inherently less useful.

Clueless Git #2: How about switching the whole site to the Bulgarian language? That'd make it pretty much useless, everywhere except Bulgaria.

Clueless Git #1: No, it needs to be just useless enough that people won't use it, but with just enough value that we can charge people for it.

Clueless Git #2: I have an idea. Let's segment the index into narrow interest groups, and then charge people to use certain groups!

PHB: That's a fantastic idea! It's less useful, while giving the impression of added value. Make it happen!

Changes= BAD; (1)

governorx (524152) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484589)

Google works, the best there is that i know of. Why change it if it works?

But if they do consider changing, i would they get a different domain name for their second service. I just dont like change.

finally (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484602)

it's about damn time.

g00gl3 0wnz j00!

Google Web-Spider (0)

Nyphur (514992) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484604)

Google [google.com] has to be the BESTS Search engine around. I assumed they have always used the google web-spider which they talked about when the site first opened, but now that I see that they have not I wonder, "How did they do so well without it?"

I hope that Google [google.com] 's search engine will get a whole lot better and from my understanding of the web-spider, the database will be kept up-to-date with new links added every day, and with their cache on popular pages, this is going to dramatically improve google's effectiveness as a search engine. Only problem to deal with now is dead-links.

Northernn Light == successful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484606)

As a _former_ Northern Light employee (and there are quite a few of us as of recent), I can vouch for the fact that vertical search and subscription services have not proven financially fruitful. Perhaps Google's architecture will prove a more fertile ground for this type of revenue generation.

read the article... google will still be free (1)

moogla (118134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2484615)

Google is not moving to a subscription based service. They are adding a subscription based service that goes above and beyond what they already have, adding expertise and tailored searches for organizations who would pay for it. This is a great idea, and an excellent source of new revenue (more stable than ad revenue, which is their primary source of income). Some people here think google will require everyone to pay to use the site. This is not true. For most of us, we won't notice the difference.

you dAmn idiots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2484616)

I keep telling you google is bad, but everybody keeps using it. Even homeless people are using google, and it pisses me off. if it becoems a pay service, I baleme every single one of you open sores bitches.

SUCK MY DICK!

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