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XOSL, an alternative to Lilo and Grub

CmdrTaco posted about 13 years ago | from the booting-in-style dept.

Linux 328

WhyPanic writes "XOSL, the Extended Operating System Loader, is a free (as in beer and as in GPL), full featured, graphical boot loader that can work in conjunction with Lilo or separately to boot all varieties of Windows, Linux, and many other OS's." Nifty looking.

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This better not be fp (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | about 13 years ago | (#2485133)

THIS BETTER NOT BE FP!

I hate fp worse than cyborg_monkey's mom's goat!!

Re:This better not be fp (-1)

Trolligula (527461) | about 13 years ago | (#2485142)

<O
( \
X
8===D

-cdpb

Re:This better not be fp (-1, Offtopic)

c_g_hills (110430) | about 13 years ago | (#2485217)

That's right! Fuck them all motherfuckers!

Re:This better not be fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485329)

YAY! Penisbird!





(I took another step closer to my weekly IP banning for that?!!! Drivel !)

Re:This better not be fp (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | about 13 years ago | (#2485160)

Doh! You got it!

Re:This better not be fp (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | about 13 years ago | (#2485162)

|.- - - -- - - -.|
| |
| GODDAMNIT!! |
| |
| _ _ _ _ __ _ |
' - -- . . - - - '
| _|/
| ." ".
| /(o)-(o)\
/_)| / |
|_)| '- |
\_)\ '.___.' / |\/|_
| \ \_/ / _| '/
|_\ \.___./ \ ) /
\ \_/\__/\__ ==|
\ \ /\ /\ `\ |
\ \\// \ |
`\ /\ / |
; | \____/
| | |

Re:This better not be fp (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | about 13 years ago | (#2485175)

Cyborg_Monkey. Tell your mom I'll be over to borrow the goat again.

|.- - - -- - - -.|
| |
| Stupid FP!! |
| |
| _ _ _ _ __ _ |
' - -- . . - - - '
| _|/
| ." ".
| /(o)-(o)\
/_)| / |
|_)| '- |
\_)\ '.___.' / |\/|_
| \ \_/ / _| '/
|_\ \.___./ \ ) /
\ \_/\__/\__ ==|
\ \ /\ /\ `\ |
\ \\// \ |
`\ /\ / |
; | \____/
| | |

I'm so horny. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485166)

Talking about Linux and Diapers is sexy as hell.
Baby bottles and pacifiers, diapers are sexy.

Re:This better not be fp (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | about 13 years ago | (#2485172)

What does that mean?

Re:This better not be fp (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | about 13 years ago | (#2485215)

It doesn't mean anything. I just type until 20 seconds have past and hit submit...
Was supposed to be funny, but seeing that I'm a total dipshit, looks like I failed...

Re:This better not be fp (-1)

timmah (447753) | about 13 years ago | (#2485314)

that was good ascii art AMD i think i will steal it.

It means we'll manage, master your language (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485405)

and in the meantime, massage my bone.

they used to call me Tricky Kid. I lived the life they wished they did.
Goddamn niggers everywhere you look.

my horse indeed must think it queer to stop without a farmhouse near.

XOSL is not new (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485141)

This is news? Are you guys retarded? XOSL has been around forever!

Gearing up for Troll Tuesday: (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | about 13 years ago | (#2485146)

Just a taste:

"Slashdot is running so well, now that all the trolls have been removed," CmdrTaco said as he pushed back in his chair.
The Aeron slid back towards the couch. The compound was quiet. Most of the staff had gone out for the night. CmdrTaco tuned his MP3 player on. The latest Pet Shop Boys remix started playing. He had just liberated the song from the evil recording industry. CmdrTaco opened a bottle of Jolt and took a long pull on it.
"That is wonderful stuff," CmdrTaco commented to himself.

Re:Gearing up for Troll Tuesday: (-1)

Trolligula (527461) | about 13 years ago | (#2485195)

<O
( \
X
8===D

I would like you to slurp on my gigantic man-pole while I fist your mothers puckered ass with both hands. Then, I would like to plop my smelly, cheese-caked sack into your mouth and have you gargle. At this point I will squirt my love juice into your mother's left eye as she screams "It burns! It burns!" relentlessly. If this should interest you, please meet me at the nacho stand.
-cdpb

Just for AMD? (1)

alanjstr (131045) | about 13 years ago | (#2485148)

and the title sounds like its only for AMD?

Re:Just for AMD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485276)

Can't you read? XOSL is an alternative to AMD, not "for" AMD. Sigh.

Re:Just for AMD? (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | about 13 years ago | (#2485394)

Can't you read? XOSL is an alternative to AMD, not "for" AMD. Sigh.

I think he reads better than you.. here, take a look at the title of the post:

XOSL, an alternative to Lilo amd Grub

Obviously, he was poking fun at CmdrTaco's supreme grammatical prowess.

LILO amd Grub (2, Informative)

jeeryg_flashaccess (456261) | about 13 years ago | (#2485150)

Since I noticed it i'll mention it. The topic should be LILO and Grub. Not LILO amd Grub! Meh...

Burning Karma (1)

InfinityWpi (175421) | about 13 years ago | (#2485151)

FR? Don't tell me I actually get to claim two of these...

Ok, (2)

MxTxL (307166) | about 13 years ago | (#2485159)

Who needs a graphical boot loader?

Then again, the 24 boot items and a few other features aren't bad.

Re:Ok, (2)

VFVTHUNTER (66253) | about 13 years ago | (#2485176)

I agree.

The best feature of Linux is its stability; considering my uptime is 134 days, I could care less about the boot process. I could care less about it on my laptop too. Were I running an OS that required rebooting every half hour, I would probably give a damn.

Trivia question: how long can you keep a 32-bit Linux box up and running?

Re:Ok, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485214)

Me too. I use a graphical bootloader that supports 24 items for my one OS machine too.

Re:Ok, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485301)

You mean, you "couldn't care less?"

Re:Ok, (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485316)

I don't agree.
My box is currently booting 5 os'es. It get's booted 1/2 doz times daily. a fast, clean boot loader make my life much easier.

Re:Ok, (0)

TomK32 (411719) | about 13 years ago | (#2485190)

uhh there are people who are still using the old you-needa-reboot-to-run-me Linux kernel ;-)

Re:Ok, (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | about 13 years ago | (#2485197)

I use Windows happily.

So I could say "Why are there all sorts of articles about linux. Why do I need that?"

I hope you get modded straight to hell!

Windows Boot Laoder (2, Interesting)

JohnHegarty (453016) | about 13 years ago | (#2485161)

Why is Windows the only operating system that comes without any type of multiple boot loaded. All the other seem to have one. Install 95/98/ME and it just sets its self as the only os , and thats the end of that.

Re:Windows Boot Laoder (2)

BradleyUffner (103496) | about 13 years ago | (#2485185)

Windows NT, 2000, and XP have multiboot loaders. windows 95,98 and ME were meant for people with home systems before multi-booting was more common.

Re:Windows Boot Laoder (1)

JohnHegarty (453016) | about 13 years ago | (#2485205)

Me was only released a year ago....

Re:Windows Boot Laoder (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485277)

So? It was released for HOME use. Doesn't matter when it was released, you fucking dipshit!

Re:Windows Boot Laoder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485304)

I would have sworn it was released in late 99 and 98 was early 98/late 97.

Re:Windows Boot Laoder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485268)

yeah, but it only lets you pick between other MS OS's.

Re:Windows Boot Laoder (1)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | about 13 years ago | (#2485194)

Because M$ does NOT want you to use other OSes.

And there's windows and windows. NT (4,2000, etc.) does allow you to boot and alternative system, as long as it's in a fat or ntfs partition.

All other OSes (os/2, BeOS, Linux, etc.) are not that greedy.

Totally wrong (0)

Starship Trooper (523907) | about 13 years ago | (#2485287)

The NT loader is perfectly capable [linuxgazette.com] of booting Linux, or any other OS for that matter.

Re:Windows Boot Laoder (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485264)

LILO can be installed in the MBR and configured to boot a single operating system. The reason it's installed is to allow you to pass command-line arguments to the kernel. Linux boots directly into the kernel, so the arguments need to be supplied before it boots. For example, the arguments "single" or "init=/bin/sh" can be useful if you forget your root password, or the boot process is failing for some reason. Of course, the other reason is that a lot of people using Linux will want to dual-boot with Windows (at least until they decide which OS they like better).

By contrast, Win9x boots into DOS first, then DOS loads win.com, which eventually loads kernel32.dll. So you could consider LILO/GRUB/XOSL the Linux equivalents of DOS - they exist mainly to load the operating system, and are pretty useless otherwise.

Damn Linux Zealots (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485351)

I am so sick of Linux geeks that make unsubstantiated claims without any preexisting evidence. My point: Windows NT, 2000, and XP ALL COME WITH BOOT LOADERS

Flamebait.... Windows can boot multiple OSes fine (5, Informative)

devphil (51341) | about 13 years ago | (#2485391)


If there's only a single OS listed in boot.ini, then no boot menu is given. (What would be the point?) The bootloader just boots it without prompting.

By default, Windows is the only one it lists. (No surprise there.) I copied my Linux bootsector to BOOTSECT.LNX, added another line to boot.ini, and then I had a choice at boot time: Windows 2000, or Linux. To do all this I followed the mini-HOWTO at linuxdoc.org; that HOWTO is now several years old, I believe. It was originally written for NT 4.something.

Your article is complete uninformed flamebait.

i could be wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485163)

...but I thought that XOSL could not boot Linux without LILO, so it is not an alternative to LILO, just a GUI.

Re:i could be wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485225)

You *are* wrong.

Wishlist... (1)

Nijika (525558) | about 13 years ago | (#2485169)

The ability to edit settings while NOT in an operating system... probably asking too much.

Re:Wishlist... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485202)

I have used XOSL in the past for someone who wanted two Windows installs that couldn't see each others hard disks (hey, the guy thought it was the best virus protection) and I configured all that with no OS loaded.

Re:Wishlist... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485239)

Gee have you even used it???

Re:Wishlist... (3, Informative)

jandrese (485) | about 13 years ago | (#2485243)

Um, Xosl is configurable from the boot screen (IIRC, it's been a year since I used it last).
Lets see what I can remember about this.
  1. It is very nice looking, and even has optional fading effets
  2. It is easy to install
  3. It comes with a partition manager (Ranish Partition Manager)
  4. It's quite configurable, you can do pretty much anything with it that you can do with any other first stage boot loader
  5. It requires a FAT parition on your hard drive. This is bad for people who want to dual boot between Linux/FreeBSD and Win2k, and doubly bad if your FAT partition gets corrupted.
  6. It tends to mark things "unavailable" if they disappear temporarily and never brings them back (you have to delete and recreate the partition). This was a big annoyance when I had a flaky SCSI card.
  7. Ranish Parition Manager is not exactly pretty or easy to use
  8. It's not so good for systems with fixed frequncy monitors, fortunatly this isn't a big deal anymore, but I used to have a 1280x1024 ONLY monitor attached to my system (not even a text mode) and my video card's best VESA mode was 800x600.
  9. Despite what the docs say, you pretty much need a mouse to use it. I was never able to get the keyboard shortcuts working correctly for the configuration screens.

That's pretty much all I remember about it... I hope that gives you and idea of what Xosl is like.

Re:Wishlist... (1)

jas79 (196511) | about 13 years ago | (#2485254)

grub can do this. so it isn't impossible.

Some crossed wires here (4, Funny)

fobbman (131816) | about 13 years ago | (#2485173)

This isn't a new development, so did Slashdot and Freshmeat somehow swap queues? Should I be checking Freshmeat for Katz submissions?

Not new at all. (3, Informative)

booch (4157) | about 13 years ago | (#2485317)

There hasn't even been a new version released since December 2000. (Which happens to be when I looked at it and realized how cool it is.) Not only is this the wrong kind of news for Slashdot, it's not even news.

But you still need Lilo... (3, Informative)

sultanoslack (320583) | about 13 years ago | (#2485174)

XOSL won't load your kernel. You still need a Linux boot loader to do that. So, no, XOSL isn't an alternative to Lilo and Grub. I tried it a long time ago hoping to oust Lilo.

Thier website still says:
XOSL is known to support
[...]
Linux (with Lilo)

Re:But you still need Lilo... (2)

krmt (91422) | about 13 years ago | (#2485199)

Yeah, I saw this too. It's too bad, but maybe one day they'll actually put lilo's functionality in to this. Lilo has definitely gotten better as of late, but it's one of those continual-thorn-in-the-sides of the whole linux experience. This would definitely help matters, especially with newbies.

OT : What is wrong with lilo? (1)

nusuth (520833) | about 13 years ago | (#2485322)

I'm no linux expert, in fact for anything nontrivial I have to read howto's, man pages and whatnot. Yet, I have no problems at all using lilo. For a few times I forgot to rerun lilo after modifying lilo.conf and that is the only problem I had with it.

Clutter (1)

Innominandum (453982) | about 13 years ago | (#2485178)

I just looked at XOSL. It seems cool but it clutters your hard drive with unnecessary files. Couldn't they just fit it in the boot record?

Requirements (2)

scott1853 (194884) | about 13 years ago | (#2485180)

As long as it doesn't REQUIRE a Linux partition, I'd be happy to use it.

Re:Requirements (1)

Tsian (70839) | about 13 years ago | (#2485298)

Nope, no requirements at all along those lines. It can install into its own partition (so helpful) and can also install onto a FAT partition (not sure about other partition types it can use). I can't tell you the number of times I've deleted my Linux partition without thinking, only to kill Lilo and booting with it. XOSL has saved my a few times to say the least ;)

Resolutions up to 1600x1200 (1)

JohnHegarty (453016) | about 13 years ago | (#2485189)

Resolutions up to 1600x1200 ... about time , i am fed up of bootloaders that only do 1024x768...hmmmmm

Re:Resolutions up to 1600x1200 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485306)

Resolutions up to 1600x1200 ... about time

How many different bootable systems do you have? Why isn't textmode sufficient?

Suspicious Title (2, Funny)

Cylix (55374) | about 13 years ago | (#2485198)

Although I'm certain it should read 'and' and not 'amd', it brings up certain other questions.

I'm wondering Rob's true intentions. I believe he might be trying to send subliminal messages to buy AMD chips.

Rather quite SLACKWARE mischievious LINUX if you ask me.

Re:Suspicious Title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485326)

LOL!

God I love Slackware!

Long Live Slack!

Fried

This is one great boot loader (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485201)

I've been using it for a few years (or at least a long time), boots everything I have, from Windows, BeOS through to FreeBSD. Never had any problems with it. Easy to install, looks great.

Unfortunately you do need a working DOS box to install it. I remember having problems with NT/2k. But by all means try it out!

War stories? (1)

Glock27 (446276) | about 13 years ago | (#2485203)

OK, I'm going to need to set up a system with Win98, Win2K and Linux (RH 7.2) all booting from the same 30 GB drive (other storage on system is two 80 GB ATA100 drives on a Promise controller at Raid 0). It looks like XOSL might be just the ticket!

Any suggestions on install order and which boot loader to use? Anyone attempt something similar with XOSL? Would Grub be better since it's included with RH 7.2?

Thanks in advance for your opinions!

299,792,458 m/s...not just a good idea, its the law!

Re:War stories? (1)

gorillasoft (463718) | about 13 years ago | (#2485309)

98 has to be first, because it will overwrite your boot record and render your other installs unreachable without boot floppies. Personally, I would create the partitions in the sizes that I wanted for each OS beforehand, then install 98, followed by 2000, and lastly by Linux.

Actually, I have done this, so I guess you can say it's what I *did* do - and followed by adding FreeBSD and another Linux version at later times, plus Windows 2000 Server for testing purposes. It can be done pretty easily if you do the research beforehand.

Re:War stories? (1)

Friday (27240) | about 13 years ago | (#2485321)

I've been using xosl for some time now and I have my system setup almost exactly the way you want yours, I have Mandrake 8.1 (beta3) instead of RH.

The main thing I would tell you is to use a dedicated partition for xosl, that way if you blow up your 98/DOS partition you'll still be able to boot your other OS's.

Once you have xosl installed you should be able to install your OS's in any order you want, I chose Linux, 98 then 2K. One problem I had with 2K is that it kept calling it's system drive D: or G: or something retarded like that instead of C:. I got around that by hiding all the other partitions on my drive but the one I wanted 2K on, you can use xosl to do this. Another trick I discoverd, the hard way, is attempt to boot the partition your about to install to before you actually do the install. I think this just sets the Active bit on the partition, but it makes the install of the Windows OS's smoother.

Re:War stories? (2)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | about 13 years ago | (#2485425)

I wish I'd known about this earlier. I've been trying to install Win98, Solaris, Linux and FreeBSD on one 40gb hard drive, following installation instructions I found in this month's SysAdmin magazine. The trouble came afterward: the Solaris partition was past cyl. 1023, so LILO couldn't boot it. And I couldn't figure out how to get Grub to boot a Solaris partition; the usual rootnoverify() and chainloader +1() didn't work. Sez here that XOSL supports Solaris; very nice. But after my sixth re-install of Debian and FreeBSD, I'm getting a little sick of it all...

Here's the solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485381)

Okay,

Partition the drive first using Partition Magic or the little utility that comes with Win2k setup to leave empty space at the end of the drive. Linux setup (specifically, Mandrake) tends to fuck up your partitions most of the time. Then install them in this order:

1. Windows 98 on the C: (hda1) partition
2. Windows 2000 - You can install it on any partition you like :). The boot loader will also give you the choice to boot into win2k or win98.
3. Install Linux last, into the remaining space.

Re:War stories? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485399)

I am booting Windows 98 SE, Windows 2000 Server and Linux-Mandrake 8.0 from the same hard drive using System Commander 2000. I do not recommend it, though, because when you install a new operating system, SC2000 takes over and decides whether or not any or all of your existing partitions need resizing or moving, seemingly without rhyme or reason.

Re:War stories? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485400)

The very best small boot manager I've ever used is the Smart Boot Manager (see http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/). It fits entirely in the boot sector, so you don't get the clutter larger boot managers require.

As far as installation order, if you install the boot manager last of all, then it won't matter what OS overwrites the boot blocks. On my tri-boot box (two Windows versions, and FreeBSD) I installed Windows last, then downloaded the Smart Boot Manager while running Windows and installed it.

Re:War stories? (1)

b0bby (201198) | about 13 years ago | (#2485409)

As others have noted, install 98, 2000, & then Linux. Grub does great; I use Mandrake at home in just this config, and the reason I used Grub in the first place was that a couple of years ago (it's probably changed now) LILO wouldn't boot to a partition beyond the first 8GB or so. Grub would, & I've been using it ever since. So I have a small 98 partition, a large NTFS one, & then a medium Linux install. On boot, you see grub & if you choose windows, you get the NT loader, where you can choose 98 or 2K.

Re:War stories? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485416)

Re: Win98, Win2000 and Linux. Just install Windows 98 first, then Windows 2000. Windows 2000 will very nicely integrate Windows 98 into its bootloader. Then install Linux and LILO. Should work just fine.

Appears to need Lilo (4, Interesting)

SiliconJesus (1407) | about 13 years ago | (#2485206)

According to the page...
XOSL is known to support
  • BeOS
  • MS-DOS
  • FreeDOS
  • Linux (with Lilo)
  • Solaris
  • VxWorks 5.x
  • Windows 95/98/Me
  • Windows NT/2000
  • ...and others...
I read that as meaning it just boots up lilo, it still needs it to run Linux. Presumably, you'd install lilo on the partition, instead of the MBR.

Re:Appears to need Lilo (2)

Spy Hunter (317220) | about 13 years ago | (#2485289)

Yes, XOSL is not a LILO replacement. All it does to boot an OS is call that particular OS's bootloader (which must be installed on the OS's partition), which then does all the hard work itself. It's a nice way to select your OS if nothing else.

Please enlighten me (2)

RelliK (4466) | about 13 years ago | (#2485209)

Besides graphial boot screen, what else does it offer that LILO and Grub do not? (btw, it's already possible to have graphical boot screen even without it). And while we are on the subject, what does Grub have that LILO doesn't? What's the point of switching the boot loader?

Re:Please enlighten me (2)

Spy Hunter (317220) | about 13 years ago | (#2485259)

GRUB understands filesystems. This means you can drop into a simple GRUB shell and poke around your partitions looking for a kernel to boot. It's really a lifesaver if you mess some stuff up by accident. You can also change kernel boot parameters and do other stuff all from within the bootloader before your OS is loaded, making it much nicer than LILO.

as for grub vs LILO (1)

blonde rser (253047) | about 13 years ago | (#2485355)

grub has the ability to read file systems (ext 2 definitly... I'm not sure about ntfs or fat32) so you don't have to setup a .conf if you don't want to. You can just search around your tree until you find your kernel image and just boot off that. Or you can just point it to a partition and it will use what ever boot loader is there (windows boot loader or lilo or whatever). Saves you a little time when you change your kernel. Plus grub on a floppy can be used to get virutually any linux system going; unlike a lilo rescue disk which either needs its own kernel or to be specially made for the system. Plus grub is slightly more tolerant to allow the user to make stupid mistakes (like over writing the old kernel image and forgeting to re-install lilo... or so I hear)

I can't answer XOSL advantages for you unfortunatly... although it would allow you to set up a multiboot system without a keyboard. Although not useful for most systems I can see a specialty system where you might want to do this. On the most part I think it's just kinda cool to have a graphical boot screen.

Re:Please enlighten me (1)

wbattestilli (218782) | about 13 years ago | (#2485356)

It's pretty and it works like Windows. That won't get it much admiration in this crowd, but normal people will like it better. They already know how to use it.

I think I broke the Internet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485227)

Richie said,"I'm here! They invited me to McDonald's, since I was swimming in their pool." They went in
McDonald's and sat at a table, while Jill and Elaine - Wayne's mom - got 5 Hamburger Happy Meal. The boys
were talking about swimming and diapers.

Wayne said,"Richie, I didn't know you were in diapers? Mark, Randy and Brad, how did you get into
diapers. Richie, you know the kids at school will KID you if you wear them to school."

"I want Mrs. Taylor to homeschool me," Richie said. "Who else is diapered at school?"

Wayne said, "Tierney O'Connor, his brother Eion, Ken Williamson, Douglas MacIan, Scott Boyd, Steve
and Jeff Jett, and Greg Burlington. I know they hate being in school. Randy, you, Brad and Mark gets
HOMESCHOOLED? Hmmm..." Wayne had a smile on his face.

After they ate their Happy Meals ®, Wayne's mom asked if they all would like to go to some place more
private like her house "We can't really talk about the boys and stuff here" Marlene said (Marlene is Wanye's
mom)

They all left and got back in their cars and went to Wayne's house. As soon as they walked in the door
Jill knew that a diaper wearer lived in this house because she could smell the baby powder and the smell of
diapers. Plus she saw a huge stack of diapers on the couch.

Wayne showed the boys his nursery and his toys, he had a lot of stuff. He had a crib, changing table, a
high chair, playpen, and he had a very large assortment of computer hardware.

Out in the living room Jill and Marlene were chatting. "So Jill, why are your boys in diapers?"

"Well, it is a long story. It started with Mark wetting the bed, brad and randy were teasing him and put
him in a diaper. The next morning mark confessed that he actually liked diapers, and wanted to be my little baby
again. I decided to home school him so that he could have his wish."

"I see, but what about the other two" Marlene asked

"Well I punished the other two by making them wear thick diaper pants to school for a week. 2 Days into
the punishment the other two wanted to be home schooled too, they thought that they could goof around, but
the deal was that I would home-school them, but they would have to start wearing real diapers 24/7. They took
the deal." Jill finished

"So they wear diapers 24/7?" Marlene asked

"Yes, they have almost lost all control over their bowels and bladders" Jill stated

Ummm.... (1)

Kailden (129168) | about 13 years ago | (#2485233)

Microsoft file system partition hiding support for those Linux users who don't want to admit they are dual booting??

nice, but... (1)

fizz-beyond (130257) | about 13 years ago | (#2485236)

Ok I'll admit it, it's pretty, however (there's always one of those huh), it says it requires a mouse (either PS/2 or serial). I have a mouse but oh wait I can't use it damn me for keeping up with hardware and having a USB mouse...

was that too sarcastic?

Works with USB (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485397)

I have a USB mouse and use XOSL. Works for me.

one thing to note... (0)

FireChipmunk (447917) | about 13 years ago | (#2485242)

is that it does require a FAT16/32 drive as the first parition. This is because it saves a bunch of its files in this partitions root directory. Also, note, that it cannot boot the linux kernel like lilo does.(it cannot pass parameters etc...)

So generaly what I do is put a FAT32 w/ XOSL and Windows on the first part of the drive, then a second partition, or Hard drive with LILO on it.

I think that this is one of the best boot loaders. Not nessicarly in *features* but ease of Use. Would be nice if Mandrake, or another Distribution included it by default. Its all point and click.. pretty niffty.

Yes, it needs LILO (3, Informative)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | about 13 years ago | (#2485246)

from their FAQ:

"Installing GNU/Linux

If you're installing Linux, install LILO in the Linux partition's boot sector (superblock). You can safely ignore the warning that says you won't be able to boot Linux. XOSL can do the job."

this mean the hassle of running lilo everytime you recompile the kernel still exists with XOSL.

I rather use grub. don't need to rerun it every new kernel and it allows me to edit entries in the menu during boot...

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The word "Nifty" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485269)

God damnit, that word sucks. It's not clever, it's not funny, it's just dumb.

Re:The word "Nifty" (1)

RLiegh (247921) | about 13 years ago | (#2485359)

Don't worry, Microsoft is working on your behalf to elimenate it. :D

XOSL (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485292)

This prog hasn't been updated for some time.

It's alright though, nice gui, if you want a gui-ish boot manager.

From what I recall, it'll look for a FAT partition and dump the config files there. Makes it easy to upgrade and keep your config I guess.

Another good and simple bootloader is Smart Bootmanager.

Real small program, text based ui, pretty nice.

http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/

XOSL is nice, but not perfect (2, Insightful)

delay (134063) | about 13 years ago | (#2485294)

The perfect bootloader would be a combination of Grub and XOSL.

I used XOSL in the past: while I think that it's nice, it's not perfect. What it lacks are some Unix/Linux-specific functions:

It should be possible to browse a filesystem and to select a kernel on it to boot. It should be possible to pass "command line parameters" to the kernel (like mem=256...). It also would be cool, if XOSL had the option to set the textmode, one wants to boot an operating system in (like dos...). It would be necessary to have an Unix/Linux-based install to be attractive to Unix/Linux-people, booting from an dos-bootdisk just isn't sexy...

All in all, XOSL is nice but not perfect. I'll stick to grub, until XOSL matures...

Can someone enlighten me? (1)

tuxlove (316502) | about 13 years ago | (#2485296)

Why do we need yet another bootloader? Lilo seems to be able to boot any OS you might want to run. Grub does the same, apparently (don't know much about it yet), but gives some additional functionality for controlling SMP boots, has a graphical interface, etc. Why didn't someone just modify Lilo to do that?

What does XOSL bring to the table that other bootloaders don't have, or couldn't be made to have with some development?

Pretty soon our bootloaders will be OSes in themselves.

Re:Can someone enlighten me? (0)

TomK32 (411719) | about 13 years ago | (#2485345)

why?
cuz some student or programmer need a project to work at, some exercise. You sound like some M$ guy asking: "Why would someone install anything but Windows?"

Re:Can someone enlighten me? (2)

Darth RadaR (221648) | about 13 years ago | (#2485392)

Why do we need yet another bootloader?

[aol]
Me too!
[/aol]

I'm also thinking, "Great. Now I have to figure out how to configure Yet Another Bootloader."

One problem with Linux is that you often get 50 different development projects that all end up trying to do the same thing. Don't get me wrong, choice is good. but fer cryin' out loud do we *really* need 20 or so different boot-loaders? Why not just improve on something existing that is proven and people are more familiar with. It's not like you can't get the sources for Lilo.

But, I digress....

XOSL, an alternative to Lilo and Grub (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485303)

I want floppy disk utilities, likea webserew

Different? (2)

interiot (50685) | about 13 years ago | (#2485307)

XOSL gets installed on its own partition, since it's so large. How is this different from installing a mini-linux distro on its own partition, and then doing some smart booting from there?

Re:Different? (1)

stevek (25276) | about 13 years ago | (#2485369)

I don't think you can boot linux (or DOS, for that matter) from linux, so that wouldn't work.

USB Mouse? (0, Redundant)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | about 13 years ago | (#2485332)

Bummer. This configuration screen [wanadoo.nl] seems to only advertise support for serial mice. I'm using the USB IntelliMouse. :(

Re:USB Mouse? (1)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | about 13 years ago | (#2485363)

Not sure, but I think most BIOSs will talk to the mouse using the simpler USB boot protocol and fake a PS2 mouse. Check your BIOS for Legacy USB. The trick then is: Is your OS smart enough to turn this off and let your USB devices run free. Probably not.

new product! (2)

kypper (446750) | about 13 years ago | (#2485340)

Lilo amd Grub...

Wow... didn't know AMD made Grub...

That company's just full of surprises!

Smart Boot Manager. (2)

SubtleNuance (184325) | about 13 years ago | (#2485343)

Ive got the GPLed Smart Boot Manager [sourceforge.net] in my bootsector, and LILO in my /boot. Its sub-30k and lives in the first sector of your disk.

Check it out, small, easy, quick and allows you to boot from CDROM where you may not be able to normally.

Thanks to "James Su (suzhe@gnuchina.org), Lonius (november@video.mdc.tsinghua.edu.cn) and Christopher Li (chrisl@gnuchina.org)"

I like lilo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485360)

why are pople always trying to replace it?
Grub comes with its own problems.
longlive lilo.
first lady of linux.

What about my usb mouse?!? (3, Insightful)

blonde rser (253047) | about 13 years ago | (#2485387)

I was already to give XOSL a test spin when I noticed it doesn't support usb mouses. That's when it occured to me that I don't really want a boot loader that needs its own set up device drivers.

How do you say that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485411)

zosle?

Ah... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 13 years ago | (#2485412)

how i've missed Taco's spelling errors. Thanks, you've made my day!

did you say BUTT LOADER? (-1)

anal-johnson (528597) | about 13 years ago | (#2485414)

hit her in the shitter, bitch!

props to all non-AC trolls and crapflooders!

praise be unto trollaxor!
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