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Carl Sassenrath Talks About REBOL

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the bol-and-rebol-on-fence dept.

Programming 246

Rebelos writes: "REBOL is a powerful software technology (ever thought that you could write a full blown GUI Instant Messenger in only 7 KB of source code?) optimized specifically for Internet usage. Rebol Tech, the company behind REBOL, consists of only 10 people and they claim they can compete and go against .NET and Microsoft's dubious plans. Their platform has been ported to 44 operating systems so far! Take a look as to what Carl Sassenrath, ex-AmigaOS/Commodore engineer and founder of Rebol, says at OSNews about the Rebol platform, its deployment, other programming languagees, Microsoft etc." The buzzwords are pretty thick in here, and the ideas are interesting, if a little vague. If the interview makes you curious, check out the previous stories touching on Rebol as well.

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C: A Dead Language? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490387)

Gentlemen, the time has come for a serious discussion on whether or not to continue using C for serious programming projects. As I will explain, I feel that C needs to be retired, much the same way that Fortran, Cobol and Perl have been. Furthermore, allow me to be so bold as to suggest a superior replacement to this outdated language.

To give you a little background on this subject, I was recently asked to develop a client/server project on a Unix platform for a Fortune 500 company. While I've never coded in C before I have coded in VB for fifteen years, and in Java for over ten, I was stunned to see how poorly C fared compared to these two, more low-level languages.

C's biggest difficulty, as we all know, is the fact that it is by far one of the slowest languages in existance, especially when compared to more modern languages such as Java. Although the reasons for this are varied, the main reasons seems to be the way C requires a programmer to laboriously work with chunks of memory.

Requiring a programmer to manipulate blocks of memory is a tedious way to program. This was satisfactory back in the early days of coding, but then again, so were punchcards. By using what are called "pointers" a C programmer is basically requiring the computer to do three sets of work rather than one. The first time requires the computer to duplicate whatever is stored in the memory space "pointed to" by the pointer. The second time requires it to perform the needed operation on this space. Finally the computer must delete the duplicate set and set the values of the original accordingly.

Clearly this is a horrendous use of resources and the chief reason why C is so slow. When one looks at a more modern (and a more serious) programming language like Java or, even better, Visual Basic, that lacks such archaic coding styles, one will also note a serious speed increase over C.

So what does this mean for the programming community? I think clearly that C needs to be abandonded. There are two candidates that would be a suitable replacement for it. Those are Java and Visual Basic.

Having programmed in both for many years, I believe that VB has the edge. Not only is it slightly faster than Java its also much easier to code in. I found C to be confusing, frightening and intimidating with its non-GUI-based coding style. Furthermore, I like to see the source code of the projects I work with. Java's source seems to be under the monopolistic thumb of Sun much the way that GCC is obscured from us by the marketing people at the FSF. Microsoft's "shared source" under which Visual Basic is released definately seems to be the most fair and reasonable of all the licenses in existance, with none of the harsh restrictions of the BSD license. It also lacks the GPLs requirement that anything coded with its tools becomes property of the FSF.

I hope to see a switch to VB very soon. I've already spoken with various luminaries in the *nix coding world and most are eager to begin to transition. Having just gotten off the phone with Mr. Alan Cox, I can say that he is quite thrilled with the speed increases that will occur when the Linux kernel is completely rewritten in Visual Basic. Richard Stallman plans to support this, and hopes that the great Swede himself, Linus Torvaldis, won't object to renaming Linux to VB/Linux. Although not a C coder himself, I'm told that Slashdot's very own Admiral Taco will support this on his web site.

Thank you for your time. Happy coding.

Egg Troll

Re:C: A Dead Language? (1)

andres9606t (104516) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490405)

I hope this is a joke... Otherwise I am going into the corner to shoot myself once Linux based on VB (Thank you Microsloth) comes out.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (1)

Mortice (467747) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490411)

And what's this about Perl being 'retired'? There are plenty of websites using CGI with perl code out there, not least Everything2 [everything2.com] [everything2.com]. If you're going to present an 'argument', at least research your illustrations.

Perl is Dead. Long Live Python. (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490440)

Yes Perl has been retired. Larry Wall has said he is ceasing his work on Perl, and intends to work with Guido van Rossum on Python. I'm too busy to find the release he put out, but its out there. Apparently Larry wants everyone currently using Perl to migrate to Python as soon as possible. However this is only a stop-gap until VBScript becomes the de facto standard for Internet scripting.

Re:Perl is Dead. Long Live Python. (-1)

propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490574)

Fuck you, timothy. Don't post repeats [slashdot.org] . Kthx.

Re:Perl is Dead. Long Live Python. (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490589)

I clicked on that link! Brilliant. Guess what the message at the bottom of my screen said:

QOTD: "I tried buying a goat instead of a lawn tractor; had to return it though. Couldn't figure out a way to connect the snow blower."

Kinda fitting, in its own strange way.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490567)

And as an event fsckin' long overdue --- both of them --- 'bouts time the Darwin Awards caught up with the howling-stray-dog-on-sterno weenie crowd.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (1)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490621)

It is indeed a troll but the funny thing is it suspiciously sounds like a VB programming book from 1997 I saw. Microsoft couldn't pay for better marketing. The opening chapter deals with what a great guy Bill Gates is and how, now that Microsoft has blessed us with Visual Basic, all of the tedium associated with programming simply vanishes.

There's even a little remark in there (veiled threat is more like it) about how, if you're a traditional C programmer, you won't enjoy the book and will hate VB, but you'd better read it anyway because you still want to have a job. It's classic stuff.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (-1)

Trollcaholic (522055) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490439)

Damn! i never realize this.
No wonder lots of GPL apps are bloated.
It would be nice to have the kernel ported to VB, but why would i need that, if i have XP working amazingly well on my laptop.
Anyway, Thanks for pointing that out egg troll, i appreciate it.

Trollcaholic

Re:C: A Dead Language? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490453)

Kevin always knew that he was different, even as a young child he knew. C programming just never interested him, and while he liked girls all right, it was just quite not like the other guys did. He always knew that he was probably gay, but when you're young you don't really understand all the feelings and emotions that well up inside of you as you grow to adulthood. Outside of all of the other gay boys in his Visual Basic programming group, who could he show affection to? He was certainly looking forward to his first year at State U., feeling sure that at least there he would find plent of other gay VB dvelopers!!!

The first weeks of college life were hectic to say the least, what with twenty five thousand students in one place was overwhelming as well as exhilarating! This was the first time Kevin had ever been on his own for any length of time, but he easily settled into a comfortable routine and even began to make a few friends in his classes as well as in his dormitory. His roommate, Tom, was a freshman from Chicago, so many nights were spent telling each other of life in each other's home town. Kevin had to admit that Tom's stories were much more interesting than his own as Tom seemed to have plenty of tales to tell about the C programming language and how girls would go wild when he told them about the intricacies of gcc. Luckily for him, Tom didn't really try to pry into Kevin's personal background so Kevin didn't even have to lie about exploits with the opposite sex!

As the first quarter was coming to an end, a lot of time was spent cramming for tests in his advanced Visual Basic course. A shy young freshman named Greg who had a room down the hall from Kevin was in the same class, so they ended up studying together in Greg's room. Kevin felt more at ease around Greg than he had ever felt about anyone in his whole life, and while he wasn't sure if Greg felt the same way, they seemed so relaxed together that Kevin had hopes that just maybe Greg would turn out to be more than just a study partner. As luck would have it, Kevin came to study at Greg's room only to find the door unlocked but no one answering his knock so after slowly opening the door, he entered the room just as a dripping Greg came out of the bathroom from after taking a shower!!! This was the first time Kevin had ever seen his friend naked and immediately he stared at Greg's cock! He had big a hardon!!! Greg was embarrassed and tried to cover himself but Kevin told him not to move. This was the moment of truth in both of their young lives, and calmly, Kevin stood up, walked over to Greg, and put his hand around his very erect penis and began slowly jerking it in his fist!!! Greg stood as still as a deer caught in headlights, hardly breathing as his dick was being jerked for the first time by another human being! Without saying a word, Kevin leaned over and gave Greg a French kiss that seemed to last forever. As their tongues explored each other's mouths, Greg's cock began to spasm in Kevin's hand and a huge jet of hot cum shot out as Greg groaned during his incredible orgasm!!!

Neither of them said anything for a minute as each tried to collect their thoughts, but both agreed the sex was alomst as good as debugging MS Excel macros! Both boys decided another shower was in order, so they got in and began soaping each other all over their bodies!!! It didn't take long for each of them to have big boners sticking out ready to be used again, but what Kevin wanted now was to feel that beautiful thing up his ass! Leaning against the wall and spreading his cheeks was all the invitation Greg needed, and with his hard cock already slick with soap, he began to push its way into Kevin's inviting ass hole!!! When the head finally was inside, Greg began with gentle short thrusts not wanting to hurt his new found lover while Kevin whimpered as Greg became more insistent with his fucking. By now Kevin was getting the butt fucking of his life as Greg pounded away at his tight hole!!! Kevin reached down and was jerking his now hard dick in time with Greg's movements so that when Greg blew his wad up Kevin's eager rectum, Kevin's own cum exploded out of his dick onto the wet show room floor!

They slumped together in a post coital glow, and Kevin couldn't help but think of how lucky he had been to find Greg at this time in his life, and if first loves are best loves, Kevin certainly had no complaints!!! Kevin soaped off Greg's penis, and gently took it into his mouth and sucked on it softly, while Greg stroked his lovers head, savoring the feeling that could only come from having the head of your cock in someone's warm mouth! After about ten minutes, Greg was about to shoot his load, and he whispered to Kevin that he was about to blow! Kevin looked up lovingly into his friend's eyes and then jerked the big cock until it filled his mouth with life giving sperm as Greg let loose with a low long groan, after which both boys got to their feet and rinsed off, playfully poking at each other's bouncing penis. Kevin then smiled at Greg and said, "I think I'm gonna like Visual Basic programming just fine, don't you?!?"

Hahaha! (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490470)

I've never laughed so hard while masturbating so furiously! Thank you, mysterious AC.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (1)

MaggieL (10193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490552)

This is obvious fiction. Nobody ever had that much fun with VB.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (0)

AnonymousCowheard (239159) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490638)

Damn you're good. Exlpained it like it was just yesterday; like you're still using those punch cards. You should write a book, you explained C's strengths so well. You know what they say about good teachers: "Those who can't make it in the real world get jobs in government schols and teach children K-3rd."

Something for you, non-AC (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490649)

THE ULTIMATE GIF VIEWING ACCESSORY!


The other day I found an amusing and informative text file on
some BBS or other, explaining how to make a lifelike, artificial
vagina "out of common household products."
Hey, I thought, I've tried that. (Bet you have, too. Be honest.)
I was intrigued.
The guy who wrote it calls his device Porta-Pussy. It involves a
mailing tube, a string, and a balloon. Basically, you lower the
balloon into the tube, stretch the neck of the balloon to overlap
the outer edge of the tube, then use the string to stretch the
balloon down the length of the tube.
He suggests taping the tube to the edge of a table, kneeling down
and licking it for a while, then standing up and fucking it.


I just tried fucking it. It wasn't bad. I decided not to try the
advanced applications, though, which include sticking a dildo up
your ass and drinking the cum as it leaks out of the tube. Another
time, maybe.
But I did admire his imaginative design; simple to make, reasonable
facsimile, easy cleanup (throw away the balloon). His description
made fun reading, too; "How I Spell Relief." I encourage others to
download his file (called IWACK1.ZIP).


So, in a spirit of sharing, here's my technique. It doesn't look
as authentic as his, and it takes more preparation, but I think
it feels MUCH closer to the real thing. Close your eyes and the
PseudoCunt (this name just occurred to me; snappy, huh?) feels
just EXACTLY like a warm, wet, tight pussy.
You think I'm kidding, right? Nope. Read on, if you're so inclined.



CONTENTS:


1- Registration


2- Materials & Ingredients


3- Construction


4- How to Use


5- Hints & Techniques


6- Troubleshooting


7- Why I Created PseudoCunt


REGISTRATION:


Ha, ha. Get it? It's software. Real soft. If you figure
out who I am, send me some money. PseudoCunt is not
shareware, by the way. It's recommended for use alone.



MATERIALS & INGREDIENTS:


* Cylindrical container (see below)


* Large pot (3-4 quart capacity)


* Butter or margarine (2-3 tablespoons)


* Vegetable oil (just a drop or two)


* Saran Wrap or equivalent


* Spaghetti or fettucini (lots; two boxes)


* Sturdy rubber band


* Several big, firm sofa cushions (optional)


* Your favorite masturbation fantasies in magazine, video,
gif, or virtual form



CONSTRUCTION:


1- Find a suitable container. This is the tough part. The
best one I've found is an overlarge Mason-type jar (about
11" tall), though these are hard to find. Second choice
would be a length of PVC pipe sealed at one end, or a
mailing tube, but it should be at least five inches in
diameter. A half-gallon cardboard milk carton might work,
with clever modifications.


2- In a large pot, bring two or three quarts of water to
full boil. Add a tablespoon of vegetable oil and a pinch of
salt. Boil spaghetti to aldente texture (about 8 minutes).
Any pasta will do, but I find spaghetti and fettucini most
satisfactory.


3- Drain spaghetti, but do not rinse. Mix in A FEW DROPS of
vegetable oil (be CAREFUL not to use too much; use just
enough to keep the spaghetti from sticking together) and
stir well. Set aside in colander until cool enough to handle.


4- While spaghetti is cooling, melt some butter (not much; about
1/3 of one of those little butter pats you get with toast in
a diner is enough). Don't let it boil; 15-30 seconds in the
microwave should do it.


5- Stuff spaghetti into the container described in Step 1.
Really pack it in tightly; as tight as you can cram it in.
This is crucial to success. I use wooden cooking implements
to tamp it down. When the jar is about 3/4 full, bore a hole
down the center with something long and moderately thin (I
use the long handle of a wooden stirring spoon) and continue
packing spaghetti around it, up the brim. Remember to pack
tightly; spaghetti will compress a lot more than you'd think.


6- At this point, remove the rod or dowel or whatever, and
pour a SMALL amount of melted butter down into the little
hole to lubricate it. (By the way, I've found that butter or
margarine feels much more like the creamy inside of an
aroused cunt than any kind of oil; and I've tried quite a
few). Stick your finger in and work the lubrication down
into the little hole. Feels interesting, doesn't it? Close
your eyes and probe, slowly; does that feel just EXACTLY
like a wet pussy hole, or what?


7- Now, use something wider and slightly tapered to widen the
mouth of the surrogate vagina (I use the neck of a wine or
beer bottle). Do this gently, and don't widen it to your
full dick diameter; you want it to be nice and tight.


8- Cut a generous length of Saran Wrap and stretch it tightly
over the mouth of the jar. Fasten it tightly with the
rubber band. Now punch a hole in the Saran Wrap in the
obvious place. (Use a pencil, or a spoon handle, not a
knife; a sharp cut will make the Saran Wrap tear.)



HOW TO USE:


1- Pile two or more big, thick sofa cushions on top of each
other. Make an identical pile next to the first, leaving a
12-inch space between the two piles.


2- In the space between the cushions, spread a towel (or
newspaper) on the floor. If properly constructed, your
PseudoCunt should not make a mess unless you really get
carried away, but it's a good idea to protect against this
possibility.


3- Position the PseudoCunt jar on the floor between the two
cushion piles.


4- Lie across the cushion piles, chest on one, thighs on the
other, dick dangling in the space between. Now, gaze lovingly
at whatever fantasy object you prefer, tease the head of your
dick against the warm, slick mouth and begin fucking.



HINTS AND TECHNIQUES:


* Before you get started, check with your finger to make
sure your PseudoCunt has cooled to the proper temperature.
You don't want to burn yourself. Optimum temperature should
be obvious if you're a reasonably sexually active person.
Push your finger in as deeply as you can; the bottom of the
jar may be too hot even though the mouth is a nice, warm,
cuntlike temperature.


* The PseudoCunt is not recommended for quickies. Choose a
time when you're absolutely certain you'll be alone and
undisturbed. PseudoCunt takes some time to prepare, and a
fair amount of what's called in cinema and theater circles
'suspension of disbelief.' It can't be fully enjoyed if
you're worried about your wife or girlfriend walking in and
finding you fucking a jar of spaghetti.


* Size of the container is important. Make sure it is at
least two inches deeper than your dick is long, and wide
enough so that your dick is surrounded by a generous cushion
of pseudo cuntflesh. You don't want to bang up against the
hard sides or bottom of the thing at a crucial moment.


* Shape of the container is important, too. I like the jumbo
jar configuration because the "shoulders" of the jar where
the neck narrows help to keep the spaghetti in place when
you withdraw on the out-strokes.


* Don't use too much butter. A very small amount should suffice.
Remember that your own secretions will increase the lubricating
effect. It's not generally recognized that grease and oils
actually DE-sensitize erectile tissue. A thin coat of oil on
your dick is like wearing a condom. I find that the absolutely
perfect effect is achieved by adding just a *tiny* amount of
butter, then slathering saliva all over my dick just before
first penetration. The combination of butter, saliva and natural
lubrication that leaks from your dick feels closer to authentic
vagina arousal than any oil I've ever tried.


* Make adequate preparations. Arrange your favorite magazines
on the floor in front of you, or display a particularly
fascinating GIF, or make sure the VCR is cued up and the
remote is handy. One of the real joys of using PseudoCunt is
that it leaves both hands free to work the VCR remote or
languidly browse through magazines, savoring the tight cunt
sucking wetly at your dick with each slight movement of your
hips. With careful preparation it's a damned comfortable
position, and you can just lie there for as long as you please,
indulging as many fantasies as your self-control will allow.


* For best results, fuck slowly and gently on first
penetration. This allows the PseudoCunt hole to adjust to
the proper diameter.


* Don't ram your dick in to the bottom at first. Go slowly,
and try to restrain yourself as long as possible, fucking a
just a little deeper at a time. Each time you stroke a
little deeper, the PseudoCunt is a little tighter, and
incrementally warmer. The sensation is fabulous if prolonged.
I like to keep the last inch or so unpenetrated until I'm
just at the point of cumming, then grunt and howl and plunge
to the bottom and blast my sperm into the tight warmth deep
down inside.


* Sound effects, if authentic, can really heighten the effect.
Porn videos just don't do it for me. Too contrived. I have a
few audio tapes that do, though, and once in a while I'll put
on the headphones while fucking my Pseudocunt. One is a tape
I made by concealing the microphone in the headboard of the
bed before fucking my wife doggy-style (you should consider
trying this; it's incredibly arousing to hear the rutting
grunts and screams of a woman you know). The rest are
recordings of phone-sex conversations with two former
girlfriends -- one in particular, whose panting and gasping
and whimpering as she masturbates is truly phenomenal.


* Shed all inhibitions. Admit to yourself that, while this may
seem truly bizarre behavior, it feels incredibly good. Get
hedonistic. Get totally naked. Or wear leather, or panties
and a bra, or clothespins on your scrotum, whatever makes your
dick throb and ooze.



TROUBLESHOOTING


If you experience problems with your PseudoCunt, the fault most
likely lies in your choice of materials, or lack of attention to
proper construction techniques.


Commonly experienced problems usually have simple solutions:



Too hot for comfort


If too hot, allow to cool at room temperature. Don't get
impatient and put it in the freezer, or outside in a
snowbank. If it cools unevenly, you're in for a very
unpleasant surprise.



Not warm enough


If too cool, place jar in a pan of water on the stove and
simmer for at least 30 minutes. To spread heat more evenly,
make sure the water covers at least 2/3 of the jar, and
place a wire rack beneath the jar to raise it off the bottom
of the pan. If a glass jar is used, you can heat it in a
microwave oven for a minute or so. [This procedure is not
recommended if using a waxed cardboard milk carton.]


These heating techniques, by the way, are handy for repeated
use of your PseudoCunt between washings, unless you're too
squeamish for sloppy seconds.


It's also occurred to me that a hair dryer might be a quick
alternative, but I haven't tried this. I'm not sure I could
maintain a hardon or a straight face kneeling there naked
and blow-drying a jar of spaghetti.



Bits of greasy spaghetti cling to your dick on withdrawal


This is normal. While the problem cannot be eliminated
entirely, the effect can be minimized by several means:


1- Make sure spaghetti is packed in VERY tightly.


2- Use a high-shouldered jar (see above) to help keep
the spaghetti in place on the out strokes.


3- Make sure hole in Saran Wrap is not too large.
Punch, do not cut, this hole to prevent tearing.



PseudoCunt makes distracting slurping noises


You used too much butter, or oil, or both. Or you've gang-
banged your PseudoCunt one too many times and you need to
clean it out and start over again at Step 2.


Of course, if you want to fantasize about oral sex, this
could be regarded as a design feature rather than a problem.



Greasy stains on sofa cushions


My wife responds to greasy stains on upholstery by
immediately dumping a big pile of talcum powder on the
spill, letting it sit for a while, vacuuming it off later,
then calling in a professional furniture cleaner to finish
the job.
I try to avoid stains by making sure the Saran Wrap is
tightly secured with the rubber band, and by spreading a
towel over the leading edge of the sofa cushion pile. I'd
rather not have to explain PseudoCunt stains to my wife.



Fetid stench



Throw away the spaghetti and wash the damn thing. Unless
mold and bacteria growth play an essential role in your
sexual fantasies, repeated use of the PseudoCunt is not
recommended beyond, say, 24 hours. Refrigerate after use.



WHY I CREATED PSEUDOCUNT


No, I'm not a social outcast or a phobic recluse. I have a
normal sex life (pretty fabulous, actually) so I should
explain why I continued to experiment with masturbation
techniques in adulthood, long after abandoning the clumsy
remedies most teens invent to draw off excess spunk.
One reason is simply that I'm a very sensuous person with a
vivid imagination. I've found that I can occasionally attain
amazing heights of sexual arousal when I masturbate. At the
risk of sounding immodest, I've induced some of the best
orgasms I've ever had.
Another reason is that I am aware of absolutely no physical
or psychological reasons not to masturbate, and can't help
wondering if the world might not be a better place if more
people did. Whether they use fists or balloons or spaghetti.


Finally, it provides a fabulous way to indulge certain sexual
fantasies that just can't be shared no matter how skilled and
understanding one's lover may be. Know what I mean?
If you're inclined to give this thing a try, I hope it
enhances your own secret fantasies as much as it does mine.
If you have a technique of your own, write it up and post it
for others to share. If you find the whole concept disgusting,
why did you read this far?

OMG (0)

Niksie3 (222515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490388)

Holy Fuck, 7kb of code and runs on 44 platforms??? competes net??? certenly anti-bloat.

I think net would take many many many megs. If this really competes then we are in for something!!!

Important. (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490394)

Daylight Savings time is no longer necessary, it should be retired.

cool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490396)

damncool

Homework (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490402)

I bought this Daft Punk album, Homework, and am disappointed. Taco said it was awesome so I (foolishly) took his word. It's nothing but bleeps and bloops and chinks chonks zips. Don't listen to Taco, people. He made me waste $14.

Re:Homework (0, Offtopic)

FunkSoulBrother (140893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490408)

you bought an album?

Re:Homework (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490421)

Yeah. Napster is fucking useless. Gnutella is shit. I get most of my stuff from the used sections at record stores now.

Re:Homework (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490435)

Morpheus is pretty good, but I think the way to go is definately the used CD racks.

Re:Homework (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490451)

"P2P file sharing" is for the unr33t.

Real kids get full albums tarred that are ripped at 192kbps min and release 2 weeks before it gets to stores off of t3+ ftps.

If they can kill file sharing it will be good, all the lamers will have to go back to buying multimedia and the real kids can get all the latest shit unharrassed.

P.S. even people who like that genre of music agree daft punk has no talent and only sells records thanks to over produced videos get played constantly on mtv.

Dude Taco lives in fricken Wisconsin or something, don't take his advice on what groups are hot.

Re:Homework (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490560)

P2P file sharing" is for the unr33t.

Real kids get full albums tarred that are ripped at 192kbps min and release 2 weeks before it gets to stores off of t3+ ftps.

-The only reason a release would be tarred was if it was being shared by bots on irc: ie for 12 yr old faggots that probably are too stupid to find another program now that napster died. Also, T3 is slow as shit, again for losers who cant get on a real site.

If they can kill file sharing it will be good, all the lamers will have to go back to buying multimedia and the real kids can get all the latest shit unharrassed.

-"Real kids" what the fuck is this. You are a real kid, and a real flamer as well. And what is the "latest shit" to you is something that most people peeped weeks ago.

P.S. even people who like that genre of music agree daft punk has no talent and only sells records thanks to over produced videos get played constantly on mtv.

-Their videos are shit, and they are widely recognized as one of the founders of the french style of filtered house. They don't sell as many records as other widely known electronic artists either.

Dude Taco lives in fricken Wisconsin or something, don't take his advice on what groups are hot.

-Dont take this guys advice either.

Re:Homework (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490573)

Sup girl, don't you have some windows games to fxp around or something about now.

Re:Homework (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490639)

Look at these stupid IRC niggers, fighting over who can steal more music faster. This is why we need things like the SSSCA.

Re:Homework (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490546)

Aye, it be crud. If you still want frogs get Air's Virgin Suicides album.

Then again, I like that Gene Loves Jezebel remix album, so ignore me.

Re:Homework (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490636)

>I bought this Daft Punk album, Homework, and am disappointed.

Maybe you should have bought their latest album, Discovery?

Homework is OLD. Unless you're hardcore, you ain't gonna be into it. Sorta like trying to get into heavy metal by listening to Def Leppard.

Re:Homework (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490650)

Discovery sucks even worse. Daft Punk fuckin blows. Commander Cockhole only likes it cuase the videos are anime. Ooooh wow *drool* look at the japanese cartoon, me like japanese cartoon, daft punk have japanese cartoon in video, me like daft punk, ah duh *drool*

It's highly gay. Only some smelly french men with rotten teeth could like that crap. well or commander cockhole.

ugly.. (0)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490407)

I took one look at this

and thought it was ugly.

I remember antionline.com doing ficshe about this a few years back, and I though it was ugly then, and ugly now.

But then again this is a pagent winner compared to perl, and we all know what perl does.

Ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490413)

Yes! REBOL! I like how they neglect to mention that that 7k source compiles up to 2+ megs, plus runs slower than a Java crapplet on a 486 over a 14.4k connection!

C# will own all your asses, Slashd0rx!

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Re:Ha! To You! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490431)

Rebol is an interpreted language, it does not compile into anything. 7 KB will always be 7 KB.
All you need is the 800 KB runtime REBOL library, which is the same for ALL your Rebol applications. This is why REBOL will own your Java and C# crap. Because all its apps are SO SMALL. When the executable Internet, that Microsoft wants to deploy, will come, the C# applications will load slowly from your DSL modem, as they will be several MBs for let's say, a graphics manipulation app. But with REBOL, 7 KB will always be 7 KB ! The REBOL apps will download and run even from a 33.6 kbps modem *instantly*. Because you only download their small source code and interpret them on the fly.

Re:Ha! To You! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490455)

Byte compiled apps are of comparible size to the source from whence they came. The bulk is always the runtime libraries.

Aha! (1, Insightful)

ajuda (124386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490418)

I can code a full blown GUI Instant Messenger in less than 100 bytes! apt-get install gaim. But seriously, if you can fit that much information in 7kb, hasn't someone already had to basially write the messenger first?

They seem to be able to write such a small executable by building libraries especially for this project. Is anyone else thinking that a similar projet in C by them would have the following line: #include <guiMessenger.h>

Re:Aha! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490446)

But that is the whole point!
REBOL is an *internet language*. For example, you can't write a graphics application with it (until now...). But if you want to write a fully featured GUI NewsReader, an Email Client, an IM or anything related to Internet or other simpler stuff (like a calculator, a simple word processor etc), then you can do it easily, because REBOL supports all these protocols internally!
So, as C has a printf() and a uint32 for example, REBOL has an email DataType! It has a NewsReader DataType etc!
Each language is good for some things and not so good for others. REBOL is the absolute Internet language.

Re:Aha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490457)

So? Perl and Python have mail and news datatypes, too. And they are free and open source.

Re:Aha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490534)

To me this loks like a great learning language. One of the things that people always complain about when learning programming is that they can't do anything useful in th early stages. With rebol, even learners could start playing with making their own apps.

Re:Aha! (2)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490580)

Most of the networking libraries and stuff are already built in to the core. It's pretty damn small - something like 300k, with GUI support (widgets, etc). The biggest thing holding us back from having deployed this for a client is that there was no Mac GUi support when we checked (6 months ago or so). I think it's there now.

That's what's a bit misleading about this - 44 platforms, but not all have GUI support, which is where I'd think the big win would be. If I want to simply script stuff on multiple platforms and one set of code I can use Perl (although it's not 300k!)

Bold claims (1, Flamebait)

LowneWulf (210110) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490419)

Hmmmm, that's some pretty bold claims they make... considering I've never heard of them or their products before...

Has anyone actually USED this that can elaborate on its effectiveness?

Re:Bold claims (4, Insightful)

PlaysWithMatches (531546) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490484)

I've used REBOL quite a bit, and I'll say one thing up front: this is not going to be a Microsoft killer, or a .Net killer, or whatever. But REBOL is very good at what it does, which is offer a high-level interface to web, e-mail, etc. scripting. The language is pretty nice once you get into it. But for 99% of my scripting, I still use Perl. Will that change because of REBOL? I doubt it.

Nice toy anyway, though.

Re:Bold claims (-1)

Shitsack Comments (256887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490496)

After a hard day at the office, Cherine wasn't in the mood for her usual "gentlemen callers" tonight. She hoped that she could simply go home, take a nice hot bubble-bath, and wane her vice- presidential tensions at a gourmet home-delivered meal. But tonight there was a slight detour from the normal state of affairs. Her friend had called late in the day, pleading with Cherine to take her beloved "puppy" in for the night, because she had an out-of town emergency, and was worried about her "Cappie" being all alone. "Oh well", Cherine mused. What trouble could a small puppy cause?

Cherine arrived at her house with some expectation of what was inside waiting to greet her - probably a perky little dachsund or terrier of some sort. Upon opening the door, she was met with a bit of shocking evidence that "Cappie" wasn't all that little nor even close to a "puppy." Quietly lying on the floor of her living room rug, was a basic, full-grown Great Dane of about seventy-or-so pounds. She closed the door and went over tomake friends with the new roommate for the evening. The big canine just rolled over and allowed Cherine to pat his tummy. Obviously, though of great size, this beast was going to be pretty easy to charm. She noticed a tag on his collar that was stamped "El Kapitan." Hmmph! "Cappie indeed, Cherine thought. Nonetheless, this night would be no problem. At least that's what she thought.

Remembering her relaxing plans, she phoned an order into the local Japonase restaurant for a light supper for delivery and went through her mail while waiting for the meal to arrive. When the food arrived she carefully arranged the entrees on serving dishes and sat down to feast. Then she noticed that Captain was looking rather hungrily at her and recalled her friend'ssuggestion about feeding him "'cause he gets awfully aggressive when he's left hungry." Cherine spied a bag of dog food next to the door and fed Captain about 1/3 of it. She finished her meal just as Captain plopped his huge frame back down on the rug and fell asleep. "On to the next planned event - a hot bath!" shereminded herself as she left the sleeping hulk for the welcoming rush of foamy hot water.

Sinking into the huge whirlpool tub full of bubbles, Cherine completely relaxed into the warm massaging water, letting her long brunette hair flow over the side of the tub. In her state of utter contentment, she admired her curvaceous torso and well- rounded, firm breasts floating in the bubbles. She ran her long fingers down the soft skin of her belly, through her wiry pubes,and along the inner surfaces of her shapely thighs. A rush of sexual tension flowed from her head to her toes as she returned her fingers to the most-sensitive area between her legs. Her hips moved side a bit to allow one of the water jets to surge directly towards her awakening labial surfaces. The forceful flow stimulated her now erect clitoris causing electric reactions within her vaginal cavity. "Mmmmm" she moaned, as she inserted a searching finger into her cunt. She felt the walls of her vagina becoming engorged and swollen an she pressed deeperand deeper into the steamy cavern. Reaching for her breasts, she directed her pussy directly into the oncoming water jet, bringing her ever closer to a climax.

Cherine massaged her round and perfect globes, caressing the soft flesh yielding to her firm grasp. Her erect nipples were beginning to ache from the stimulation of the bubbly water. Her ass began to grind towards the water jet as her orgasm grew in intensity. "AAAGGGHHHH!" she cried as the first wave of climactic passion shook her entire body. The water jet felt like an onrushing shaft as it drove Cherine into higher and higher states of pleasure. As her orgasm slowly faded, she felt even more excited than before about reaching another one very soon. Cherine stepped from the draining tub and patted herself dry. Then she noticed that Captain seemed to be watching her carefully from outside the door, but she shrugged it off and left towards the sanctity of her bedroom. Her body still tingled from her climax and enticed her to want more. She virtually leapt onto the bed belly first, spreading her legs apart and eagerly returning her fingers to her still damp cunt. She ground her torso into the mattress as she fingered and probed her wanton hole. Suddenly she felt the heart-stopping sensation of something licking at her thigh. Cherine spun around to find Captain right at her side, with that same hungry look in his eyes. She became fascinated with his uninvited presence and even more so with his almost sensuous gaze. She leaned back and again spread her legs in an obvious display of sexual invitation. Captain immediately took the suggestion and began licking her ever-moistening cunt with fervor. His rough tongue sent chills of pleasure up Cherine's body. Her ass began to grind up towards Captain's eagerly lapping muzzle. The huge dog began to groan in increasing tension as his spittle lubricated her pink and juicy pussy; his extra-long tongue excited the woman's body into contorted lust. Cherine stared at her canine lover and became entranced in his extended stimulation of her extremely sensitive clit. Then hereyes widened as she saw his huge cock beginning to slip from its heavy protective sheath. It was huge even now as it lengthenedand thickened in unbridled animal lust. Seven inches of it protruded from Captain's massive loins as it still grew andstiffened in powerful throbs of power. Drips of dog cum fell from its red, pointed tip as it almost touched her slender calves, even while he was standing before her. Cherine's emotions became volcanic as she gazed at the enormous dimensions of the dog's throbbing prick.

Suddenly he stopped his animal cunt-licking to survey hisintended bitch. Cherine felt inside almost the same animal lust that Captain was feeling. She slowly turned over onto her knees to await the canine coupling she was about to experience. Her asscheeks were directly in front of his huge head, and Cherinecould feel his hot moist panting on her soft inner thighs.Captain's tongue went to work once again on her dripping snatch. "OOOooohhh!" she moaned as the rough tongue bathed her pulsating pussy and licked at her profuse sexual fluids that now wereseeping down her thighs into the satin sheets. Then Captain came up onto the bed directly behind Cherine's waiting ass. She closed her eyes to shut out the bestial action about to take Captain's huge paws began to wrap around her upper torso, when he stiffened for a moment and paused. He let out a whimper and then rammed his huge bulging cock into her wet cunt, burying it up to the hilt. "AAAAAaaaahhh!" she cried as her eyes shot open and she found herself staring at the huge legs and tail of the beast between her legs. The dog's golf-ball sized testicles hung heavy below her dripping slit, banging against her sensitive clitoris. Then Captain drew back for another heavy thrust as Cherine hung onto the mattress for dear life. His massive prick again slammed home into her throbbing hole sending more of her sex juice down her thighs. Cherine felt then what she thought was impossible - his cock was getting even bigger! Captain's thrusts became faster and faster; the dog's enormous shaft expanding thicker and thicker at the base to seemingly join his prick with this bitch's cunt forever. Cherine's orgasm wasbecoming unbearable. Her cunt was spasming rapidly around the dog's invading cock. Captain's saliva began dripping down her back and down her arms as he panted faster and faster with his oncoming climax. His paws were almost hugging her tits. Then he shot his hot cum into Cherine's tortured cunt. Cherine's orgasm blew into final explosion as she felt the hot jets hit her womb and fill her pussy. Captain came in massive blobs of sticky white dog sperm, quickly overflowing the woman's convulsing opening. He thrusted his prick with lust crazed force to jam his hot semen into her uterus and impregnate his bitch. Then suddenly Captain stopped. He would have to wait until his now engorged cock receded enough to pull it from her hole. Cherine gasped for air and bathed in the glow of the most satisfying fuck she had ever had. But it was not over yet.

Cherine's over-ravished body slumped to the mattress. She fell asleep almost immediately, while Captain layed on the other side of the room licking his huge cock clean of the residualevidence of Cherine's lubricating fluids. Moment later after finishing, he suddenly got back up on the bed and began to lick Cherine's battered pussy once again. She awakened from her restful stupor and realized what he was doing. She tried to push his invading muzzle away, but it was to no avail. His long wet tongue began to send sexual impulses through her body again, completely beyond her control. She unconsciously began to undulate her curvaceous ass towards his lapping tongue, turning onto her belly once again. Flat against the mattress, her buttocks were pressed together but still Captain managed to fully reach her entire crotch with his tongue. His wetness slipped between her asscheeks to her puckered asshole and bathed it with his saliva. His drooling further lubricated the crack between her cheeks until the combined fluids of the dog's saliva and Cherine's cunt juices bathed her ass in wetness. She began to raise her ass from the mattress to further expose her pussy to the dog's fervored licks. But the exhaustion from the previous session left her in only a semi-awakened state. Captain once again mounted her in dog-typical fashion and began his entry preparation thrusts. But Cherine was a bit low this time. His huge cock was umping against, not her sweet pussy, but her anal opening! Suddenly with a fast and powerful thrust, Captain shoved half of his cock up Cherine's unsuspecting asshole! Cherine's eyes popped open wide in surprise and part pain. She tried to shake the sodomizing beast off, but Captain was too quick and was quickly shoving the remainder of his lubricated prick up her stretched asshole. "Aaarrrghhh!" Cherine gasped as she felt his invading shaft pumping her colonic tube with bestial lust. Captain was even more excited than before by this new tightened opening. Again his cock began expanding in all dimensions, further stretching Cherine's ass to new limits. Cherine began to experience tingly pinpricks all around her hot and sticky crotch. The pleasure/pain connection had been made. She reached back and tried to spread her asscheeks even further apart to allow Captain's massive prick to penetrate to deeper depths. Then she let her hands drop to her dripping snatch to rub her now swollen clit and perhaps reach a more powerful orgasms than she had before. Every thrust expanded Cherine's tight asshole and brought delicious pleasure. She could feel hilly. The feeling of cum filling up her asshole pushed her own orgasm over the brink as her sphincter muscles milked the sperm from the enormous shaft. Cherine was in heaven as Captain's labored thrusts subsided. His cock slowly shrank and popped out of Cherine's gorgeous ass with a final plop. Captain returned to the living room rug, cleaned himself, and fell asleep. Cherine felt both revulsion and excitement over what she had just experienced. Animal unbridled lust was now part of her life and Cherine would never again be hesitant to explore the unknown.

Re:Bold claims (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490594)

OK. I can usually understand why someones post is listed as a troll. But why is this post listed as flamebait?

god damn (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490420)

how many more times are you going to have to hear new york police officer Daniel Rodriguez sing the national anthem, god damn i am sick of that fucker.

Like every other day that guy sings some shit, what he the only cop that can kinda sorta sing?

Enough already with the fucking singing cop.

Oh and stop saying make no mistake all the time, you're supposed to save that for important stuff not use it every 2 seconds like "make no mistake about it i will use anti-itch powder to illeviate this nutsack rash"

what the fuck.

Re:god damn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490434)

I'm extremely sick of the flag-waving soccer moms and idiot truck drivers who ooze sheeplike patriotism and don't stop to think about the root cause of the USA's problems - Israel. Our support for Israel is the reason we are in this mess. Please read this new article [natvan.com] from Dr Pierce for more information.

Re:god damn [OT] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490585)

And I wouldn't take anything said on [natvan.com] seriously. if you look at the main page [natvan.com] [natvan.com], it seems to be some neo nazi/racist site.

Re:god damn [OT] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490591)

so?

oh goody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490426)

Looks like rubies 15 minutes of fame as the script language of unemployed trendy open source developers living with mommy becuase they never got a degree is up.

Welcome REBOL, enjoy your next 15 minutes of fame as the trendiest scripting language around.

Haha time for you losers to switch pet languages again, and geez what are you bandwagon jumping trendoids gonna do with all those old perl, python and ruby books?

Re:oh goody! (1)

MaggieL (10193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490539)

I seem to recall that REBOL fame didn't even last for 15 minutes the last time around. I guess it still has time on the clock.

Re:oh goody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490559)

Would you be interested in some sex? Someone of your obvious beauty [voicenet.com] surely must be taken already?

Re:oh goody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490598)

Gahahahhahaa....

oh man....

don't be mean...

bweh heh hehe heheh bwa bwa BWAHAHAHHAHHA!

where did you get that picture??

Re:oh goody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490608)

Well that chick may not be much to look at but she'll kick your ass at programming, check out her resume.

REBOL books! (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490634)

I've seen Rebol books on the shelf of bookstores. They're really useful. For example, if you make a little stack of them, they can boost you up to get that Python book thats up high on the shelf. If you're out of toilet paper, you can always rip out a page from a REBOL book.

dialects? (1)

TheMMaster (527904) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490428)

From the system side, we will add several new "dialect" engines for 3D graphics, inferencing ("AI"), additional network protocols, advanced sound synthesis, and more.

Call me cynical but IMHO claiming to make a 44 platform language and then creating "dialects" is shooting yourself in the foot while running a marathon with microsoft, the 1 thing they could really win on is FULL platform independece, this is NOT platform independence

he, next thing we'll see is that you'll have to run the windows version of the client to play online directX games in WINE(X) ;-)

You're know you're in trouble when... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490437)

...the Ruby community is twice as big as yours.

Rebol is a day late and a dollar short, beside having yucky syntax that deviates from the C-family in far too many places with no good reason.

Great (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490443)

Just what we need, I predict we will see freshmeat flooded with hundreds of new IM and IRC applications.

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Re:Great (-1)

Trollcaholic (522055) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490464)

use the preview button fucker!

Da Fuck!? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490476)

What the fuck is that supposed to be? I can't tell, but I think its either a monkey or Jon Katz (not that you can really tell the difference anyways.) But as another poster said, use the preview button, fucker.

Re:Da Fuck!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490514)

yhbt. yhl. hand.

big deal (5, Interesting)

mj6798 (514047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490447)

High level scripting languages are a dime a dozen. Systems like expectk and wxPython give you similar ease of programming. If you like something more Lisp-ish, there are various Scheme systems with built-in GUIs. The main thing that distinguishes Rebol is that you can't get an open source implementation of it and that it has a much smaller user community.

As for "going against .NET", big efforts like that are not about technology, they are about marketing and people. And they are also about the long-term availability and tools support that a large company like Microsoft (or Sun, in the case of Java) brings to the table.

But even technologically, it is an error to confuse a scripting language with a system like .NET or Java. Yes, Rebol, Python, and Perl are much simpler to program than .NET or Java. Yes, they run a few important things somewhat faster. But .NET and Java are natively compiled, fast, general-purpose programming environments with static type checking and large libraries (written in Java itself in the case of Java), and that just makes them much more useful for large-real world problems. You see, another misconception is that the easier you make programming in a language, the more useful it is in real-world applications.

Re:big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490474)

But .NET and Java are natively compiled, fast

You said Java and fast in the same sentence. That is incorrect. [bagley.org]

Re:big deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490604)

huh ? that shows Java to be the 5th fastest language in the group. much faster than Perl. what point were you trying to make ?

Licensing (5, Informative)

Eloquence (144160) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490449)

The problem with REBOL, IIRC, is its license. The professional interpreter is commercially sold, which means that you have to license it even for distributing your apps, since REBOL does not generate executables. At least the standard version is free beer. But this probably makes it more expensive than VB, where you only pay for the platform once. So it can't compete on Win32, and without being OSS, it will hardly be able to compete on non-mainstream platforms.

That's a real shame, because other than that, it is really quite impressive. They should think about a Transgaming-like business model, where users subscribe and the code becomes free when there are enough subscribers.

Re:Licensing (0)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490521)

Yeah, without the backing of the OSS community REBOL will never be a widely used language.

Re:Licensing (1)

Zurk (37028) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490609)

thats not the only problem. its also a scripting language and has crude hacks like assigning EmailAddress as a datatype instead of a string. its more like a bash shell for the web rather than a full featured language.
lack of a free run time interpreter kills it right off the bat tho.

And I thought Lisp was ugly! (1)

lkaos (187507) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490459)

All these friggin ['s and ]'s.... Everybodies got to be original.

How is this any different from perl & tcl/tk? Couldn't the same be accomplished?

Don't think it will ever take off if you ask me...

Re:And I thought Lisp was ugly! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490524)

[ ] make more sense as I don't have to hit shift.

There, I said it. I am actually that lazy.

Is it commercial-only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490463)

The article sounded intriguing, and as I have a... fetish... for new programming languages, decided I'd try to download it and see what it was about only to see that most of the things on the "Dwonload" page were evaluation versions of commercial products.

As much as I hate to say it, the only way I can see this platform succeeding is by making the entire platform free. Free-as-in-beer is fine.

I just don't see too many people going in for a whole new programming platform that costs money to get started with. (No, I'm not rabidly free software, I just think that with Microsoft's domination, you can ONLY compete if you give away your product in the market today.)

IMHO the main reason Java has succeeded as it has is because you can just download it. If Java were a pay-only platform, I believe you'd see it in a few high-end server apps and nowhere else. I predict the same future for REBOL unless they decide to open up the whole platform for anyone and everyone who wants to use it.

Language Lockin problem (4, Interesting)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490467)

There have been quite a few self-contained systems architecture solutions put out over the years (Java and Smalltalk come to mind), and this looks like another one. All of them meet a lot of resistance because they make you use a language that is not the favorite language of the 90% of developers out there who have a different favorite language.

No matter what you think about Microsoft and its practices, the .NET strategy is more likely to attract a wide variety of developers because it allows them to use most any language they want. (.NET has an OS lockin problem, but the 90%/10% ratio is in MS's favor in that case).

REBOL may be extremely cool; I'm going to have to take a look at the language spec. However, I don't think that any single language will ever take over the whole world.

rebol kicks bootie (4, Interesting)

LazyDawg (519783) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490469)

If it weren't for rebol I wouldn't have a 25 line script to grab the stock market closes every day from yahoo.com. If you want to get batches of web pages and parse them for useful information, use rebol. It rocks.

If it were more widely accepted, rebol would make a really sweet web language, too, allowing more control over the interface, with less garbage in the page's source code.

Use OpenRebol instead (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490483)

Oh yeah - it does not exist. Rebol is proprietary, so why would anyone want to use it?

Re:Use OpenRebol instead (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490528)

Actually, there's the OSCAR project [yahoo.com] which wants to create an open REBOL interpreter. Don't think they will ever come anywhere near it though.

Re:rebol kicks bootie (2)

FigWig (10981) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490510)

This could be accomplished in Perl with about the same number of lines. Any language can do this as long as proper libraries exist. The fact that it is built into the language is not an advantage, in fact it is a disadvantage because you have less flexibility and options.

I'm sure rebol is nice and you can be productive in it, but it won't have anything that you can't do in another language.

If you thought C++ was a bad idea... (2, Interesting)

SumDeusExMachina (318037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490473)

...then REBOL is likely to give you nightmares! Good God, people, I have not seen any other language as bloated as this one! Not even Java can come close in the terms of the sheer amount of crap already included in this language!

I mean, what happens if you don't happen to like the way that this thing handles TCP connections on your particular platform? You are basically screwed, as not only are underlying routines written in another language, but you don't even get to see the source! I'm shocked that Slashdot would even post such a thing here, considering that the closest analog that I can find to this is VB, and, honestly folks, we do not need more idiots of the using class writing their own AOL Instant Messanger or other crap like that that will probably kill the network I admin.

oh, no (1, Troll)

krokodil (110356) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490479)

oh no! not another Perl!

Seriously, people should be more careful advertizing such toy scripting languages. Some managers take their words for real and then force us, developers write serious systems using them. What about concurrency/synchronization? memory management? OO constructs? how efficient are byte manipulations? Does tail recusion eats up stack? It is nice to have 'ftp' as language construct but that does not make it 'Internet' developement language.

Re:oh, no (0, Troll)

kin_korn_karn (466864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490506)

Do not equate Perl with toy scripting languages, lest the editors and myself bring forth the pain upon your ass with the quickness and loud report.

Python, however, is fair game :) Not to mention Ruby, which is the wet dream of a thousand Rumbaugh groupies.

[COME ON!! HIT ME WITH THE -1 TROLL!!!]

another Perl? (2)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490519)

You're right, it's _not_ another Perl. REBOL code is actually _readable_ by human beings, and consistent in syntax. Too bad about the license, though. *shrug*

7KB is nice... (1)

tcc (140386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490480)

Especially considering I've just downloaded the new version of messenger and it weighted 1.6 megs... MSN is going the same path that ICQ went to... small efficient, does the job, to getting bloated, bigger downloads and 3/4 of the stuff you'll NEVER use, all this without giving you the option to have a simple light-memory-usage solution still available (forcing you to go to alternatives or archives sites to download older clients, which eventually will become incompatible with a newer build that will change the protocol.

I'll support anything that is not following that path. Things don't have to be BIG to be good, (of course I am talking only software here :) ).

On another note, the new .NET version of messenger has UGLY icons, man, the :) is scary, and you even have one smiley guy on crack (try :-| )

Amazing.... (1)

Andreas(R) (448328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490499)

REBOL has done some real innovation here. Great work! To me, it seems like it is easier to create cool apps (applets) for the web in no-time.

Just too bad I have to learn "yet another programming language" ...

Great, rexactly what we need. (1, Offtopic)

loraksus (171574) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490505)

Another fucking messenger. I have
- icq
- aim
- msn
- ym
on my box right now.
Though I see the point. There should be no reason an instant messaging system be over one meg. Lets be honest, you're sending small bits of data between two boxes across the net.

Re:Great, rexactly what we need. (0)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490535)

everybuddy [everybuddy.com] and gaim [sf.net] both support multiple protocols within one program.

Askadick.com says (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490581)

Hit her in the shitter!!

Get Trillian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490617)

It's compatible with all of those IM programs, plus it also has an IRC connection, all in one small & neat package. Skinnable too!

(CEO) talks about (a new product) (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490530)

(our product) is a powerful new software technology by (our company) that is proprietary, commercial, and not Open Source, but will compete with Microsoft.

We only have 10 employees, and no advertising budget, so with the collapse of the dot-com hype machine I need a new way to generate press to show to venture capital companies.

Troll Tuesday? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490533)

Hey I was wondering if anyone was going to be bringing a stripper to the next Troll Tuesday? I'm bringing cake and ice cream! And Ben Gay!! And this lamp!

Re:Troll Tuesday? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490562)

I don't need ANYTHING! Except this mug. And this tennis racket. And this chair. And this tie.

Re:Troll Tuesday? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490572)

He hates these cans!!

Re:Troll Tuesday? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490582)

Put her back in the bowl.

oh wait that was something esle.

Re:Troll Tuesday? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490596)

It rubs the lotion over its skin or else it gets the hose again.

Re:Troll Tuesday? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490623)

I can smell your cunt.

Re:Troll Tuesday? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490642)

Whom shall I welease? I shall welease Woger!

Carl Sassenrath is a hero to us Amiga users. (0, Offtopic)

Mentifex (187202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490536)

Although my Rebol page on GeoCities suddenly and inexplicably disappeared with all the other Mentifex AI files on Wed.6.JUN.2001, as a first, last and always Amiga user I was proud to include Rebol as a candidate AI language [sourceforge.net] before I acquired a SourceForge AI project and pared own the list of AI languages to the fifteen being used in SourceForge AI projects.

Carl Sassenrath was a driving force behind the development of the 1985 Amiga 1000 computer that was way ahead of its time, and which served as the development platform for the initial AI Mind in Amiga ARexx. (Nanomagazine [nanomagazine.com] describes how an initially Amiga-platform "PD AI" project got kicked off freshmeat.net when the AI moved to the Microsoft Windows environment.)

If Carl Sassenrath can work on REBOL against all odds, then we lesser lights take inspiration from him to work on public-domain Artificial Minds [sourceforge.net] .

beating MS is not... (1)

jptxs (95600) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490541)

...about small development cycles and source files. If that was all it took, there a dozen much more established laguages and tools which should have ousted them long, long ago. It'll take more than YAP to beat the beast....

what does the interview say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490553)

I tried reading it, but got a parse error on the first question. Can someone please try to translate this into something resembling English? TIA: Which role Rebol/IOS will play for XNet, the new, "executable" Internet, which analysts say that it is a revolution that has already started?

Ever thought (1)

ROBOKATZ (211768) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490556)

(ever thought that you could write a full blown GUI Instant Messenger in only 7 KB of source code?)


Ever use Delphi? Anyways, I would hardly call that "full blown".

Hey... (-1, Redundant)

My Trolling Account (532545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490577)

Could you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these REBOL 7k instant messenger apps?

A meta-circular view of a bovine backside (5, Funny)

mickwd (196449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490579)

REBOL might be fantastic for all I know. But when I hear some-one say that something "was designed from a meta-circular view of language semantics" that sounds like the perfect description of bullshit to me.

A want a new logo for the developers section (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490583)

Steve Ballmer's sweaty armpits ! Yes !

Any guesses? (2, Insightful)

teyu (170456) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490592)

"...we have a partnership that will be putting REBOL onto 30 million desktops within the next few months."

I just had images of millions of AOL cd's dance through my head. With the types of services this provides and their claims to be a .NET alternative, who else could they be partnering up with?

What Askadick.com says... (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490605)

As seen on Askadick.com..."Hit her in the shitter!!"

Looks like JNLP.. (2, Insightful)

mergatoriod (149240) | more than 12 years ago | (#2490643)

Okay, so I downloaded the viewer 362K (so far so good..)

Run the installer, took a few seconds (great!)

Took a look at the demos, only a few seconds to download and view (quick!), and then I quickly lost interest. The demos are rubbish!

Visited some of the other Rebol enabled sites, the demos did not get any better!

I just don't see anybody wanting to write any serious applications for this platform. JNLP the Java web application launching protocol has much better demo applications available. http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart

Show me a serious application such as a paint program or a game and i'll take this seriously otherwise forget it!

Royalties? Try 10% of all company revenue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2490647)

Yeah, we looked at it. The idea is amazing, the execution is horribly flawed. 10% of my total revenue to sell anything built with REBOL? Guess again, kids.

The lockups didn't thrill me, either. This is one of those amazing ideas that could be immensly profitable - except they don't know what they're doing.

Guess I'll wait for the 30 million disks... oh, wait, you mean someone stole your ideas and proceeded without you? Ouch. Guess it's back to the day job, kids.

Programmers make the *worst* CEOs, period. Unless their dads are high-powered lawyers... like Bill.
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