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MS DOS: A Eulogy

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the alas-we-knew-ye-all-too-well dept.

Microsoft 794

roadhog95 writes: "Love it or hate it, I'm sure everyone's got a love story or traumatic memory of the infamous MS-DOS. Byte magazine reports on the passing away of DOS in light of the recent Windows XP launch. Even Regis Philben stopped by to pay tribute: 'Bill... Is that your final command prompt?'"

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I'm the best (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496478)

because I'm the first! FIRST!

bye bye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496481)

DOS we hardly knew yee.

Sad to see DOS go (4, Funny)

MrBlack (104657) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496483)

While it was around I could always use this joke..."I know DOS backwards...it's SOD". I guess I'll need to find/think up/steal some more material.

Re:Sad to see DOS go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496572)

..."I know DOS backwards...it's SOD".

Uhh... and this is funny how? Sod is a section of grass-covered surface soil held together by matted roots. Where's the humor?

Re:Sad to see DOS go (3, Funny)

Alrocket (191107) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496608)

Please insert sense of humour into drive a:
(L)augh, (R)etry, (F)ail.

First logged in post (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496484)

I ruptured my cock.

Passed away My furry little hiney (2, Insightful)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496486)

Just because xp doesn't use it, doesn't mean I am not going to use dos.

Yet another reason NOT to go to Microsoft for new software.

FreeDOS / DOSEmu (2, Insightful)

CmdrPaco (531189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496488)

Hopefully FreeDOS and the DOSEmu will live on!

Links my Man, Linkz... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496504)

So where are these, and what do they run on?

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Re:Links my Man, Linkz... (2, Informative)

CmdrPaco (531189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496514)

They are both at their respective .org
FreeDOS [freedos.org]
DOSEmu [dosemu.org]
There is a lot of info on the net too, just google it.

A funny tribute to DOS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496489)

Can be found HERE [cjb.net]

Re:A funny tribute to DOS (0, Offtopic)

CmdrPaco (531189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496501)

WARNING - Goatse.cx link redirect above... Yes, it got me, unfortunately... Ugh

Re:A funny tribute to DOS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496509)

LOL that must have made your dick shrink by a few inches eh?

Ave Maria??? (-1, Troll)

TheShadow (76709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496490)

They sung Ave Maria? What kind of crack-rock shit is that?

Re:Ave Maria??? (1, Offtopic)

Root Down (208740) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496511)

What kind of crack-rock shit is that?

Apparently you've not been keeping up with Sting over the last 10-15 years. Par for the course, really. ;)

First Post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496491)

A eulogy to your ass.

Slashdot: a Eulogy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496492)

it sucked..

Linux Version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496493)

So my company uses a legacy version of a proprietary program run on MS-DOS...

Currently running on 95 and other old versions of windows - since it won't be supported in new versions of windows anyone got good pointers of an open source system that I can reccommend to management when they replace boxes?

-- Ender, Duke_of_URL

Re:Linux Version? (2)

bero-rh (98815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496536)

Sure - try DOSEMU [dosemu.org] with FreeDOS ripcord [fdos.org] .

If it doesn't work, try dosemu with DR-DOS [bero.org] - not open source, but at least $0.

autoexec.bat and config.sys (2)

Forager (144256) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496497)

If I never have to rename my autoexec.bat and config.sys files to play Wolfenstein again, I could die a happy man. You know, there's a reason they called it the dosHELL.exe =)

~Aaron.

Never say Die! (1)

snatchitup (466222) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496500)

I'm still Redneck Rampaging with MS DOS running.

Leonard, Here I am! Leonard? Come on Leonard!

In lieu of flowers... (2)

Root Down (208740) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496502)

In lieu of flowers, we respectfully request that you make contributions to the charity of your choice.

Good plan! Let's donate to open source projects in honor of the death of DOS.

Mmmm... irony. Good stuff.

True.. open source is charity (0)

Macaw2000 (103146) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496510)

Irony indeed!

Fond .bat memories (1, Informative)

Kasmiur (464127) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496503)

I remember when I was younger I used a .bat file to create a simple menu system for my brothers to be able to play the games they wanted to play. It even had simple graphics from the wonderful echo command.

Re:Fond .bat memories (2, Funny)

guusbosman (151671) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496600)

Oh yes -- those could old times :) I was first called a 'hacker' when I found out how to break into somebody's password protected filemanager (simple hitting Ctrl-C inside the menu-shell was enough) :))

Re:Fond .bat memories (2, Interesting)

terrymah (316545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496604)

True that. I remember spending hours learning the various ansi escape sequences (ansi.sys? anyone remember?) to have a fancy command prompt and colors on my little batch file menu system.

GONE? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496506)

I still use it for some things, like when im doing some chip programing. No i'm note an old fart that sticks only with dos, I run several osen
linux windowze beos they all have something good about them.

Re:GONE? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496524)

if you ever post the word osen again, you'll be sorry!

Re:GONE? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496534)

Osen OSen OSEn OSEN

There ya go poo hed

Re:GONE? (2, Interesting)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496597)

And I'm sure you'll find lots of bios update utilities kindly requesting you boot into dos - and Amishly shunning such technologies as emm386.

Besides, I rather liked dos. I never installed windows until 98 was released (sure it restricted my games, but Win3.11? Come on. And by the time I'd been convinced by 95, 98 had been released.)

And at least the command prompt is still here, and getting more and more powerful; in Win2k there's a proper grep utility, and even a poor man's version of awk. It isn't a full programming language, but it allows you to parse a stream token by token - type 'help for' to see what I mean.

Still, I'm glad to be mostly rid of 8/16bit code.

Hello (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496508)

I just want to say what bitchslapping cunts Taco and friends are.

Captain Pedantic

It's funny... (1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496513)

how Macs now finally have a command prompt (in OS X), but XP has lost it now?

Mac users users used to be the object of derision for their lack of command prompt. Now XP users will be.
There's some cosmic karma in there somewhere.

Re:It's funny... (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496566)

Doesn't Windows XP still have the cmd.exe command prompt?

Not only does XP have the command prompt (5, Informative)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496621)

it still has 'edlin' -- whoohoo!

Re:It's funny... (3, Informative)

Foxman98 (37487) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496570)

Ummmmm?

Start->Programs->Accesories->Command Prompt

Or

Start->Run->cmd.exe

Seems like it's there to me. But who knows. It might all be a figment of of my imagination.

Re:It's funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496581)

Well crap..

Kids - that's what happens when you try to comment on an operating system which you have never used before.

Let this be a lesson - and don't let me catch you drinking from the toilet again.

Re:It's funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496574)

there is a command prompt:
cmd.exe

actually there is two, the recovery console to boot without the gui.

Now Mac users will only be the object of derision for the amount of money they spent for a commodity, but hey it's made of titanium and doesn't run Windows so more power to them

Re:It's funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496586)

how Macs now finally have a command prompt (in OS X), but XP has lost it now?

Start -> Run -> "command" ... and up pops a DOS Window.

Re:It's funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496619)

There is cygwin- which has a real shell.

Little content, little meaning... (4, Interesting)

Thomas M Hughes (463951) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496516)

This just sounds like a Microsoft publicity stunt more than anything. A sort of "We have evolved beyond needing prompts, and are now fully graphically inspired."

Still, I'd be willing to argue that the removal of legacy DOS functionality isn't always a good thing. You break functionality with code that used to run on previous MS Operating systems. Furthermore, I'd imagine everyone who's been working in computers for awhile has watched the Windows GUI break, and then need the command prompt to fix it.

Now on the other hand, this may be a plus. Microsoft might actually believe that Windows is stable enough that you don't need the DOS prompt anymore. Stability is always good. But even on the most stable platform in the world, I'd still rather not have something crippled from my operating system just because MS doesn't think I need it anymore.

But back to this little tid bit of a story...just a marketing ploy, not really news.

Re:Little content, little meaning... (0)

hashinclude (192717) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496616)

Well, I'd like to share a few thoughts on the demise of DOS...

First of all, I always used to use dos batch files to do fancy little things (like renaming 100s of JPG or GIF files into a neat little order), and get stuff to work. CDROM drivers, sound drivers, you name it. Loaded through DOS.

Second, when I wanted to remove all traces of WinNT from my machine, and install Win2k (at work), and I didnt have a boot disk! What could one do except delete everything manually (through the safe mode command prompt option), no deltree, no help from linux either (C: is NTFS). And doing a recursive ATTRIB -R -S -H -A * in all directories one at a time... couldnt have done it without DOS

Sad to see you go.... DOS always rox (esp. on the 8086 I learned using a PC on.... )

Refresh

Re:Little content, little meaning... (3, Insightful)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496618)

Furthermore, I'd imagine everyone who's been working in computers for awhile has watched the Windows GUI break, and then need the command prompt to fix it.

Well I haven't seen the GUI "break," but I do still use the commandline, and it's still in Windows XP. It's just not DOS any more... Big whoop.

Re:Little content, little meaning... (2)

zsazsa (141679) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496623)

Now on the other hand, this may be a plus. Microsoft might actually believe that Windows is stable enough that you don't need the DOS prompt anymore.

Microsoft has believed that since 1993, when Windows NT 3.1 came out.

Anyway, this isn't about "not needing a command prompt" as NT (and 2000 and XP) have always had one. It's about finally having a Windows operating system for the home that isn't kludged on top of ye olde DOS. (Instead, ye olde DOS is kludged on top of Windows NT. :)

Ian

The DOS prompt is still there. (2)

BenHmm (90784) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496635)

It's a publicity stunt, but it's also slightly wrong:
at least on XP RC2, you can easily get to the command line.

I use it for Perl stuff sometimes, and ping and things. It might not be full DOS (oh, the loss of that extreme power will be sorely felt), but it is a command line.

16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit... (5, Interesting)

fleeb_fantastique (208912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496517)

With the creation of the 32-bit Windows OSes, Microsoft had these relatively unpleasant hacks involving wowexec and system/system32 folders. I suppose they were relatively necessary (although I'm sure folks here could have thought of a better way, but we have the benefit of hindsight).

Now they're finally leaving 16-bit behind, only to introduce similiar (if not worse) hacks between 32-bit and 64-bit OSes. Instead of following their old design (which at least would have been consistent), they opted to use the system32 folder to hold 64-bit stuff, and to have another folder (is it system64?) hold the 32-bit stuff.

Confused yet?

Oh well...

It was alwasys so annoying (1)

vulgarDPS (525551) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496519)

RIP

Here lies DOS

"I can't beleive is actually died"

"Yeah I thought it would never die"

"Wait a second.. I think its moving"

"WOW whats in it"

"I'll find out"

C:\>ls

'ls' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

"Dammit, I hate DOS, why dont they just use real commands"

"Wanker"

Re:It was alwasys so annoying (1)

mydigitalself (472203) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496573)

"Dammit, I hate DOS, why dont they just use real commands"

as in "move" as opposed to "mv" ?

Re:It was alwasys so annoying (1)

terrymah (316545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496596)

or a "ren" and "move" commands which do basically the same thing?

DOS prompt =Terminal? (1)

AppyPappy (64817) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496520)

Does XP come with a terminal? If not, who thunk of that?

Gates: "If you need a terminal to get to it, you don't need to get to it". Thanks Bill. No wonder people are losing MS servers right and left.

Re:DOS prompt =Terminal? (0)

pacc (163090) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496555)

You can always hope that the professional server version will have a telnet backdoor as default.

Re:DOS prompt =Terminal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496601)

Gates: "If you need a terminal to get to it, you don't need to get to it".

I guess that's why Linux/Apache runs 70% of the Internet and Windoze/IIS ... well ... doesn't.

and important safety reminder from dead_puppy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496523)

tommorrow, as everybody knows, will be halloween and you may bring your children out to go trick o' treating. however, a few precautionary measures should be made to ensure the safety of your child:

1. Stay away from CmdrTaco's house in Holland, MI.

2. Don't accept any candy from CmdrTaco

3. Don't accept any rides from CmdrTaco

With that in mind, you should have a fun and safe Halloween!

dead_puppy has been kickbanned by ./nazis...

XP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496525)

Xtra problems
Xtra patches

But it *screams*!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496526)

Ok, it was crashy and unstable under heavy load, but man does it boot up and run -fast- on modern hardware. DOS 3.11 and DBaseIII+ on an AMD Athalon 1.1Ghz is a ripping low-end db system...

Hacktastic mate... (1)

purrpurrpussy (445892) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496528)

DOS was fantastic!! Writing TSR proggies to fake DLLs! Hooking int 2f and adding your own services... int 2e backdoor to the interpreter. Grabbing the entire serial port interrupt mechanism so you you write your own serial packet state machines. You started app development by writing a keyboard handler!

You could stick things anywhere, cruise the operating system, write semi re-entrant code with the use in the InDOS flag, hack hack hack.... Just don't tryu to be hardware independent!

It was amazing what people did get out of a DOS machine. 640K is still quite a lot you know.....

Matthew.

http://www.freshbrains.co.uk

Re:Hacktastic mate... (1)

klmth (451037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496613)

Just don't tryu to be hardware independent!

That's precisely what killed DOS games/demos. Demosceners in particular wrote some of the most perverted display hacks I've ever seen, but platform independence wasn't in their books. If you didn't have the same setup, tough.

Many great demos lost their shot at the prize money when they simply wouldn't run on the competion machine. Many great games were a pain to run, often requiring painful fiddling with TSR:s. (I still have my falcon 3.0 bootdisk hung up on my wall - it loaded a mouse driver, a CD driver, and even the Sound Blaster drivers, while still keeping 630kb of base memory free)

DirectX changed all this, with the cost of some performance, but with the advent of consumer 3d accelerator cards, it was no longer an issue.

Heh, bull ;) (1)

Blymie (231220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496529)

Love it or hate it, I'm sure everyone's got a love story or traumatic memory of the infamous MS-DOS.

I never used MS-DOS. Everyone I knew had Amigas at the time, since they were far, far superior to MessyDos of the day. I progressed from that, directly to Linux. This doesn't mean I never had the opportunity to type a command or two under MS-DOS, but it does mean that I never *used* it for anything, realistically. I don't have a fond memory, or traumatic memory of MS-DOS.

I feel like someone who managed to live through a war without any emotional scars. The thing is, I know many, MANY people that NEVER used a Windows or DOS box, yet lived through the DOS era. These are owners of Amiga, Apple, Atari or other boxes of the era. They commanded a significant market share in the beginning of things, and only later on did their number wane to insignificance. You dishonour them by implying that they never existed, and that there was no other option at the time.

This is supposed to be a place where people realise the significance of computers in history, and know a little of that history. Please keep that in mind.

Why does Gates get the credit ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496530)

Gates didn't write DOS, he merely licensed it from Gary Kildall (QDOS) so why is Bill Gates the big hero ?

DOS was not even very advanced by the standards of the day. CP/M and MP/M were streets ahead of it. Hell, even xenix would have been a better foundation for Microsofts world domination!

I wonder if the geeks that are so rabidly against Microsoft would be so vociferous if Unix was running on over 95% of the world's PCs ?

Re:Why does Gates get the credit ? (4, Flamebait)

joeykiller (119489) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496533)

Where are my Karma Points when I need them?

DOS wasn't licensed from Gary Kildall (who actually was the father of CP/M), but from Tim Paterson.

You would have known this if you had read the article you're commenting on.

Re:Why does Gates get the credit ? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496585)

Insightful? I don't think so. He is wrong. As I have told you before [slashdot.org] , read the material before making comment. Get your facts straight first otherwise you look stupid.

Re:Why does Gates get the credit ? (3, Insightful)

adubey (82183) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496612)

Please mod the parent down. It isn't insightful.

Gates liscensed DOS from SCP. SCP based their product on CP/M, originally written by Gary Kildall.

DOS was advanced by the standards of microcomputers of the day. CP/M's 16-bit version, CP/M-86 wasn't ready when MS-DOS 1.0 hit the market, and by the time CP/M-86 did ship, MS-DOS already hit version 2.0. Version 2 had neat-o features like subdirectories and a Unix-like C API that pushed it ahead of CP/M. CP/M eventually did surpass DOS, but it was called DR-DOS by that time.

Of course, DOS was well behind most all versions of Unix, including Microsoft's Xenix. Peter Norton once wrote that Xenix might have been the "operating system" of the future. Unfortunately, Mitch Kapor wrote Lotus 1-2-3 to run under MS-DOS rather than Xenix. In those days, people bought PCs to run Lotus. The operating system was just the black screen with gibberish text you saw before Lotus booted up.

Re:Why does Gates get the credit ? (1)

DenniRuz (245661) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496615)

"I wonder if the geeks that are so rabidly against Microsoft would be so vociferous if Unix was running on over 95% of the world's PCs ?"

I think yes- There's bad flavors or Unix (imagine 95% of the world running AIX!- Ahhhhh!).

But seriously, an M$ unix as a base would have made a huge difference in the world today- Imagine a well written 32-bit OS, readily available, widely used, STABLE!, with none of the memory restrictions of the DOS world and Hundreds of easily installed applications. The computing world would be a very different place today, IMHO.

What is DOS? (0, Interesting)

Andy (2990) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496539)

I can happily say that my life has been minimally affected by DOS, its coming or its going. I started my career on VAX's and Macs in the 80's, moved to Unixen in the late 80's, and to LiGNUx in the 90's. I pity the people who have been stunted technically by using DOS.

We will always carry it with us... (2, Interesting)

Faile (465836) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496541)

So Bill Gates typed "exit" and (wow!) the prompt closed, no more DOS, no more unreliable crappy OS's, just XP and .NET - hurray!

It all began with DOS and DOS will end it as well, or something very much like it - GUI's are overrated. Sometimes you just want a Quick and Dirty Operating System that goes well with scripting, say changing your entire folder of mp3 to use a standard name or just organizing images, perhaps you need to do something that the GUI cant handle. There's nothing a prompt cant handle!

Long boring story short -> DOS as we know it is dead, but Quick and Dirty Operating System's are the future.

Long live DOS!

--

DOS is Alive! FreeDos..... (4, Informative)

Quazion (237706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496542)

here @ freedos.org [freedos.org]

I have used it for formating and fdisking fat16
and fat32 filesystems, or to remove linux
partitions without a linux bootflop or bootcd.

And i know people using DOS for there daily
programming, creation of Embedded Systems and
ofcourse webbrowsing and chatting....

Quazion.

More Info,they even have a GUI Interface for it =) (1)

Quazion (237706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496558)

check http://www.sealsystem.org/ [sealsystem.org]

DOS was "closer" to CP/M Than most realize (5, Informative)

NZheretic (23872) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496543)

From "Microsoft the Company"
http://www.aaxnet.com/topics/msinc.html

* 1982 - Digital Research sues Microsoft and IBM - Wins - . It was obvious MS-DOS and its PC-DOS variant were simply rip- offs of Digital Research's CP/M operating system. It remained only to prove it contained DR code. DR's Gary Kildall sat down at an IBM PC supplied by IBM and, using a secret code, got it to pop up a Digital Research copyright notice.

It's case won, Digital Research received monetary compensation and the right to clone MS-DOS. This is why Microsoft never sued DR over DR-DOS, but used every other means to destroy it. The settlement was under a strict non- disclosure agreement, so few even know DR sued, never mind that they won.

Digital Research was purchased by Novel and destroyed by neglect and mismanagement. The products now belong to Caldera, which has filed suit against Microsoft over predatory practices used to destroy DR-DOS's market.

Re:DOS was "closer" to CP/M Than most realize (1)

KingAdrock (115014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496629)

I used Doctor Dos for a while. Alot of software took a shit with it. Eventually I was forced to move to MS-DOS! I don't think the PC world was ready for variants of the same operating system at that point. Unfortuently for Digital Research, that spelled its impending doom!

Re:DOS was "closer" to CP/M Than most realize (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496638)

DO YOU LIKE CHEESE? do you like penis cheese?

So I guess XP finally gets to Mac OS7 level (1)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496545)

OK, I'm not seriously saying that Mac OS 7 was as powerful as XP, but I find it funny that for years the main argument against Macintosh was it had no command line interface, and now here Microsoft is removing MS-DOS from their OS. It doesn't really matter though because XP has so many other arguments against it already. I guess it's time for everyone to switch to Linux.

Alternate shells (3, Interesting)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496546)

I dumped COMMAND.EXE for JP Software's [jpsoft.com] 4DOS as soon as I found out about it - way back when it was on version 2.x. It's evolved a lot since then and the current version, 7.0, gives modern *NIX shells a pretty good run for their money and interfaces very well with the GUI.

There is still the problem of having to wait for each stage of the pipe to finish before the next can begin, but there is definately life in the old DOS yet and I'll be using JP's shells long after COMMAND/CMD has gone the way of the dodo.

Not quite yet (1)

mystik (38627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496547)

I have seen edlin.com living somewhere in system32 on either Professional, and/or Home Edition of XP.

On the other hand, vi is on almost every unix system (as well as ed) so I guess it's only fair...

Serious irony (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496548)

DOS has long outlived its usefulness at age 20. And companies should avoid Linux because it's fundamentally based on 30 year old technology.

Think about it for a while.

Invasion of the gui (0)

rmadmin (532701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496551)

Its good to see technology evolve. On the other hand, its kind of sad to see the "Most popular desktop operating system" go away from having the ability to use command line interfaces. Too bad redhat is sort of doing the same thing with all their GUI configuration tools =( I'd like to see a command driven side of XP that gives the user more power. Oh wait, the DMCA would probably throw a fit and say that 'Now XP users can easily circumvent copyright protections' >=(.

Hold on, is this a troll ? (2)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496553)

Did anyone else notice that the article [byte.com] was written by slashdot's very own king of trolls - Jon Erickson ? You don't have to be an Insightful genius to realise what is going on here!

Is it too much to ask the slashdot editors to check things like this before posting ? This troll is not even worthy of inadequacy.org [inadequacy.org]

Hilarious: EMM386 stop error (5, Funny)

Otis_INF (130595) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496556)

What I always found funny was that when a certain DOS program went bezerk, EMM386 thought to jump in and save your ass with... that's right, shutting down the computer before you could save _ANYTHING_, showing words similar to:

"EMM386 has shutdown your computer to prevent loss of data".

Thankfully these days are over... o wait, nv_disp.dll just went into a stop 0xea

Two part answer (1)

bluecavy (129088) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496557)

Circa 1990...

After reinstalling his OS, I informed my associsate that "command.com" is not a game file that can be deleted.

Oh, the canabalistic power of "format C:". I used to type it and just stare at it with my finger on Enter.

Quick and Dirty Interrupt Handler (4, Insightful)

klmth (451037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496559)

Calling MS-DOS an operating system is stretching the concept quite a bit.
DOS was nothing but a glorified interrupt handler. It wasn't unstable, since there was practically nothing to be unstable with.

It didn't protect itself from userland programs, which is generally considered a bad thing. Granted, this gave the programmer freedom to completely work around the operating system, but at the same time allowed said programs to royally mess things up.

From a single-task, single-user system, it was quite good, provided the programs behaved nicely. DOS Extensions even provided it with protected memory, making life a bit easier.
New command interpreters, like 4DOS, injected new life into the system.
If you accepted it as a single-user, single-task enviroment, it was adequate.

I find the decision to remove any and all CLI from Windows a bit odd, considering that Apple went the opposite direction with Mac OS X.

Re:Quick and Dirty Interrupt Handler (0)

Flakeloaf (321975) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496588)

From a single-task, single-user system, it was quite good, provided the programs behaved nicely

DOS essentially forced programmers to write stable, robust code and you're calling this a bad thing? Given the trend towards sloppiness and bulk in pretty much every program (read "game") available for Win9X/2K/XP today I'd expect you to be a bit more idealistic :) There's no need to be careful today, because if your program misbehaves Windows will try to shut it down, fail, crash and take all the blame.

Re:Quick and Dirty Interrupt Handler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496637)

XP still has a CLI, not outstandingly brilliant but pretty good and very useable. XP also has a raft of new command line tools built in to make both local and remote machine management easier (NETSH being one) and more easily scripted. XP's cmd batch files are marginally (but usefully) improved by a few key changes (most notably to SET) but combine XP [or 2000 and even NT 4] with Perl and modules like Win32::LanMan, Win32::AdminMisc & Win32::TieRegistry and you have a very decent base with which to manage large domains [10k-100k systems] without too much trouble. 16bit DOS as an OS may be dead but M$ have (somewhat) seen the light with the command line and scripting over the past few years [even including Perl script examples in the most recent W2K Resource kits].

No more DOS? (1)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496560)

Only for new apps. I`ll be writing/fixing DOS apps for years... dont forget the hundreds of thousands of DOS apps running on 2/3/486s and which work just fine, thank you very much. Why change them? I mean, if you cant do it 1) for free, and 2) with 0% chance of no bugs being introduced, forget it.

No more 16-bit DOS code... again? (5, Funny)

ksp (203038) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496561)

[Bil Gates] stated, "It's the end of the MS-DOS era," referring to the exorcism of 16-bit code from the Windows code base.

What, again??

Goodbye (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496569)

I noticed on a vidclip on techtv that Mr. Gates said good by to DOS by typing C:>goodbye at a dos prompt, or so it looked.... Any how if dos is gone, where did he get the dos prompt to type it?

DOS software was what made me hate Microsoft (1)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496575)

Specifically, Microsoft SmartDrive (their drive-cacheing software for DOS) and MS Flight Simulator 5.0. They aren't compatible. Tried to install FS5, bombed out during the install. I looked things over, and decided to deltree D:\FS5 and try again.

It took much longer than I thought it should have. I did a quick 'dir' and... yikes! Everything on D: was gone! I lost a bunch of stuff (fortunately nothing utterly irreplaceable). I reinstalled FS5, and sure enough, it bombed out again, and there was a crosslink from inside D:\FS5 to D:\.

I did some digging, and found out that if I disabled SmartDrive, it'd work fine. That's right, Microsoft Flight Simulator 5 is incompatible with... Microsoft SmartDrive.

At that point I started using Linux in earnest.

We can fix that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496577)

Open Souce command prompt for Windows XP, anyone?

Goodbye old friend (1)

Hasie (316698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496580)

Moving to Windows was initially fantastic, but I very quickly grew to miss the old command-line interface of DOS. Then I found Linux/Unix and I haven't looked back! I must be the only person in the known universe to have started using Linux/Unix because of DOS!

Fuckaz! (-1)

Mike Hock (249988) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496582)



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I'm the best (Score:-1, Offtopic)

by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 30, @08:47AM (#2496478 [slashdot.org] )

because I'm the first! FIRST!

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bye bye (Score:0)

by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 30, @08:47AM (#2496481 [slashdot.org] )

DOS we hardly knew yee.

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Sad to see DOS go (Score:4, Funny)

by MrBlack on Tuesday October 30, @08:49AM (#2496483 [slashdot.org] )

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While it was around I could always use this joke..."I know DOS backwards...it's SOD". I guess I'll need to find/think up/steal some more material.

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First logged in post (Score:-1)

by Genghis Troll on Tuesday October 30, @08:49AM (#2496484 [slashdot.org] )

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I ruptured my cock.

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Passed away My furry little hiney (Score:1)

by the_Bionic_lemming [mailto] (cuddles@worlddominationbylemmings.com) on Tuesday October 30, @08:50AM (#2496486 [slashdot.org] )

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Just because xp doesn't use it, doesn't mean I am not going to use dos.

Yet another reason NOT to go to Microsoft for new software.
"You can get so much more with a kind word and a two-by-four than you can get with just a kind word."

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FreeDOS / DOSEmu (Score:2)

by CmdrPaco on Tuesday October 30, @08:50AM (#2496488 [slashdot.org] )

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Hopefully FreeDOS and the DOSEmu will live on!
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Paco by name, Cmdr by trade

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A funny tribute to DOS (Score:-1, Troll)

by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 30, @08:50AM (#2496489 [slashdot.org] )

Can be found HERE [cjb.net] [cjb.net]

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Ave Maria??? (Score:-1, Troll)

by TheShadow on Tuesday October 30, @08:50AM (#2496490 [slashdot.org] )

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They sung Ave Maria? What kind of crack-rock shit is that?

--
"What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn't one today."

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First Post (Score:-1, Flamebait)

by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 30, @08:50AM (#2496491 [slashdot.org] )

maybe some Linux converts coming (1)

danny (2658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496583)

I have some users who went with DOS when it was that or MacOS, largely because they weren't willing to give up their command lines. I think some of those may stick with older versions of Windows as long as they can, but others may be ripe for conversion to GNU/Unix/Linux.

Danny.

MS-DOS is dead; long live AI-OS (1, Offtopic)

Mentifex (187202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496584)

The Nietzschean purpose of MS-DOS was to survive long enough (1981-2001) that the faint rumblings and beginnings of an artificial intelligence operating system (AI-OS) could emerge from the decaying corpus delicti where MS-DOS had gone before.

Choose your battles, is an ancient dictum. Back in 1978 at a meeting of the Northwest Computer Society here in Seattle, a call went out from the podium for anyone who would be willing to work on the newsletter of the society. Very truly yours Mentifex here shrank back, unwilling to work on anything but a Theory of Mind for AI [sourceforge.net] . To the relief of all us AI and non-AI slackers, a certain historically immortal Tim Patterson of Seattle Computer Products spoke up and volunteered to work on the computer society newsletter. Such a quiet, unassuming fellow -- and yet Tim Patterson turned Bill G*tes into a multi-multi-billionaire, because Tim Patterson was the author of Quick-and-dirty-DOS, or QDOS, which Microsoft bought from Seattle Computer Products for fifty thousand dollars ($50K) and foisted upon the world as MS-DOS. My only real gripe about MS-DOS was the weirdness of Paul Allen in declaring that henceforth all users should use a backslash (e.g., C:\mind.html) path-separator instead of the Un*x forwards-slash separator, as in http://mind.sourceforge.net/alife.html -- the way G*d intended computers to work.

Now, are there any ankle-biters who would like to follow up here with posts about how the slowly emerging AI OS is somehow off-topic to the passing away of MS-DOS? If so, fire cowardly away.

Dos gone?? (0)

rob_ert (141300) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496589)

Hmm Bill opens a dos box types in exit and dos is gone. I went to a friend of mine and did a 'start-> run -> cmd 'on his XP..... hmmm looks like a dos box to me let's try 'dir'.... hmm looks like it works... 'edit somefile.txt'....hmmm works. Type exit and the dos box is gone.....
What do they mean by dos is gone??....I have a dos box and bunch of working commands...

Dumbass. (1, Flamebait)

NineNine (235196) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496611)

That's not DOS, dumbass. That's the command line.

Why use an arcane OS??? (-1, Troll)

Kayser_Sose (449412) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496590)

I'm disappointed with Linux. I like learning new concepts, but there are endless problems getting this OS to RUN. I've had so many different problems. My main gripe is that I haven't found any useful information to assist me. I've searched Linux sites looking for clues that just never panned out. I've had about fifteen various problems using Linux and I've never found an answer for any. User forums? You ask a question and get twenty separate responses, and one by one they don't work. I can't stress that enough: the solutions *don't* work, and you waste time on red herrings. When facing unfathomable Linux problems (like not seeing my NIC any more) I just re-install the thing. I hate taking the easy way out, but that's the reason for it - it IS easier than having to endlessly investigate the matter, trying unsuccessful methods. I like challenges and I like hard work, but those necessitate a successful outcome. If I spend 5 hours looking and get an answer, I don't consider it a waste. I don't like spending an evening looking for a non-existent fix or reading dozens of pages of alleged solutions to find that they don't do the job and "Well, nobody knows the answer."

Why is Linux popular with some?

1) It's stable; it never crashes or has to be rebooted

Not true; I've had my Linux box freeze up on me when using KDE or Gnome. But even if it didn't crash, let's weigh that against the difficult problem resolution and lack of sufficient documentation. What's more important, not crashing/rebooting, or being able to do your work and solve problems quickly and permanently?

2) It's free!

Define "free." Time or money? You may have to pay to buy a distro, but Linux programs definitely are free. That doesn't mean I should use them simply because of this factor. Supper in a soup kitchen is free, too, whereas dining at the Four Seasons might cost you $100. Which meal was tastier and more satisfying? The bowl of beef broth, or the filet mignon?

Regarding the matter of time spent, how long will it take the average user to get the Linux apps running? To get the Linux OS running? To find drivers? To locate patches? To manage some sort of successful resolution of a confusing problem? Not even the most rabid Linux user can tell me that installing and setting stuff up is quicker and easier than on Windows. It's just not true. With Windows, I click "Setup," and it installs.

The programs I need run on Windows. I can't even guess what their Linux equivalent might be, if such applications exist. And if they do, who knows how much hassle and sweat it will cost me to get them running under Linux, assuming they CAN run.

I don't have a problem with new challenges. If every, most, or even SOME of the problems I've had with Linux could be resolved with hard work, I wouldn't be writing this. It's the wasted time that makes me disagree with "Linux is free!"; the failed solution; the wild goose chase and all the aggravation that does make Linux costly. If I have to pay money for an application that's up and running in five minutes so I can start working, so be it. My goal is using the app, not trying to figure out why it won't run. My goal does not include the possibility of devoting an evening trying to get something going only to finally shrug in disgust and give up.

4) It's open source!

I'm not a programmer; I don't care.

5) There's plenty of help available

I've never seen any useful hints from either documents or users.

6) Microsoft sucks!

This is the motto of many Linuxlovers. If you removed Microsoft from the equation and both Windows AND Linux were free, the Linux user base would be reduced to perhaps a third; maybe less. This would constitute the people who really like using Linux and would choose it as their OS of choice regardless of external circumstances.

er... dead? since when? (2, Informative)

the endless (412967) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496591)

In announcing MS-DOS's demise, Microsoft founder Bill Gates typed "exit" at the MS-DOS command line during the launch of Windows XP.

A prize to the person who provides an explanation for how Billy Boy typed "exit" at a command line that doesn't exist?

I haven't had a chance to get at an WinXP machine to check, but the command line must still be there. There's too many reasons that it's necessary, e.g. SQL Server has loads of command-line utilities. Just because MS have taken it off the start menu doesn't mean that it can't be accessed by someone with half a brain.

Re:er... dead? since when? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2496622)

Excuse my ignorance, as a non-windows user, but how do you use an OS without a shell prompt?

DOS was good (5, Insightful)

ankit (70020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496606)

People keep complaining about DOS all the time... about autoexec.bat, config.sys, and what not. IMHO, DOS was and _is_ one of the best and cleanest operating systems to learn about the intel architecture. Where else can you issue BIOS interrupts, and play around with system memory? Linux doesnt let me do that unless I compile a kernel module, and what not.
Trey, DOS wasnt the best desktop/server/handheld Operating System, but it surely was a great learning experience for all who used and programmed for it.

I still use TurboC on DOS when I need to try out some small program, and dont want to wait for linux to load.

Another point, I dont think you can ever have a successful operating system without any command prompt. Copying and moving files can never be as easy using a dumb GUI file manager.

cheese! (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496624)

A eulogy to slashdot:

I like cheese. I like John Ashcroft. I like goats. I like Jon Katz's micropenis in my mouth. I like slashdot. Windows suX0rz! Mod me up, I am 31337!

Performance - lack of? Expire! (1)

saqmaster (522261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496628)

Surely any that has _tried_ to use DOS/16-Bit applications under Windows NT and Windows 2000 would be grateful that DOS is being phazed out with XP..

DOS Virtual Machine? I'd rather not sit there burning up my CPU at 100% load just to run edit.com.

Hurrah for the demise of the Windows command line :)

C:\>pkg_add bash2.02.tar.gz
'pkg_add' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

Sidebar... (1)

superflex (318432) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496630)

In related news, thousands of help desk workers were seen screaming, crying and worse in reaction to the announcement.

Sniffed one worker,"Oh God!!! Why!? How the hell am I supposed to fix anything now? Corrupted registries can't be fixed with ren user.da0 user.dat. I can't del or deltree. And with Microsoft's registration bullshit, the hundreds of Windows reinstalls I'll be doing are going to take even longer! Damn you, Gates! DAMN YOU!!!"

She then proceeded to wrap her arms around her knees, and rock back and forth, muttering "Where are my bookmarks? It won't print! I don't remember where I saved it! I opened this attachment called iloveyou.vbs, is that ok?" over and over again.

And now Bill can say... (0, Flamebait)

CProgrammer98 (240351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496633)

All your command lines are belong to us!!

Byte: A Eulogy (2)

weave (48069) | more than 12 years ago | (#2496636)

Does Byte still exist as a print mag? I don't remember seeing it in any bookstores recently. Last I remember, it was a pretty thin excuse for a magazine where once it was thick with articles and advertising. :-(
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