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VA Linux Dropping "Linux" From Name

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the well-isn't-that-special dept.

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Several folks noted that VA is changing its name to "VA Software" to reflect the fact that they aren't a Linux company anymore. VA of course owns OSDN which runs various Linux and Open Source web sites including amusingly enough Linux.com. Can't say it matters much to me what they call the thing as long as they let us keep running Slashdot, but it really is sad knowing that most of the cool open source hackers no longer work there. My bad. Anyone have a link to the press release that doesn't require a login?

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fp motherunfer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499873)

first post!@~%$£#
http://www.suidrewt.org

fucked pumpkin (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499874)

1 to three post is me and i rule all va should still be "va research"

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499876)

fp

They just... (4, Funny)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499877)

...didn't want to call it VA GNU/Linux.

Don't call it that! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500054)

Call it VA/Doubleclick!

Read more about the future of VA/Doubleclick here: The Slashdot Privacy Watch [slashdot.org] .

An Open Letter to VA Linux Concerning Privacy on Slashdot

To whom it may concern,
It has come to our attention that Slashdot is building a detailed database of every visitor and user of Slashdot. This database includes, among other personal details, an address history which permanently records every IP address assosciated with every Slashdot user and comment for all time. We are concerned that this database is a signifigant Intellectual Property asset that may be abused in the event of a sale of Slashdot by VA Linux to a third party.

In addition, we feel that keeping a permanent and indelible record of every IP address used to post every Anonymous comment on Slashdot erases whatever hopes of anonymity that endangered or threatened users may have had. To name two examples, Chinese dissidents and corporate insiders can have no expectation of anonymously revealing civil rights violations and corporate abuse.

It is our hope that given these concerns, VA Linux or Slashdot may choose to provide an opt-out option to users, whereby users could choose not to be tracked and profiled if they so request. Some discussion has been made of a Slashdot subscription service; perhaps one revenue stream for Slashdot would be to sell Privacy Rights. For a low yearly fee, a user could purchase the right not to be tracked, profiled, and logged by IP address.

Whatever steps are taken, it is our hope that Slashdot will address the current privacy concerns in public to allay our fears and to promote open discussion.

Thanks again for creating one of the most popular sites on the Internet, and all the best.

-The Slashdot Privacy Watch Team.


first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499878)

ook!

... (-1, Redundant)

n4th4n (532934) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499880)

i've never heard of va.

Not Linux anymore? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499881)

Have the top brass figured out the next big buzzword?

VA XML?
VA Java? (haha, I'm just joking)
VA Unlimited Freedom?
VA USA?
VA Voom?
VA cancy?

Re:Not Linux anymore? (5, Funny)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499927)

VA.NET, of course.

Re:Not Linux anymore? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500060)

VA Convergence.

All wrong... (1)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499974)

VA XP.

Re:Not Linux anymore? (1)

Lionel Hutts (65507) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500036)

VA Hospital? VA Benefits?

Maybe VA should get into pr0n... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500070)

... and call itself VA gina. it'd probably turn a profit :)

Re:Maybe VA should get into pr0n... (-1, Troll)

13013dobbs (113910) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500114)

The all NUDE Calander featuring the slashdot editors! Hmmm, on second thought, that may be a bad idea. The thought of a nude JonKatz makes me want to vomit.

Are they still LNUX? (3, Interesting)

Galvatron (115029) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499882)

I guess it doesn't matter, they're within spitting distance of being delisted anyway, but are they going to keep LNUX as their stock ticker? That seems sort of silly to me.

OT (1, Insightful)

Shimmer (3036) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500029)

You know, the interesting thing about this sig is that nursing is actually a learned (not instinctive) behavior. At least that's what they told us at the hospital when my first was born.

-- Brian

Re:OT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500073)

God, I hate moderators who do this. Someone clearly labels their off-topic post as such, and are suddenly modded down for it. You were given fair warning, why mod down?

<sigh>

Re:OT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500145)

agreed here, some moderators abuse their powers. Hopefully, they are gonna be metamoderated as such.

Re:OT (0, Offtopic)

friedmud (512466) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500178)

Ya - mod this back up - I think it is actually interesting.

Especially considering that most of us here are guys - and generally believe that a nipple is the ONLY intuitive thing about women ;-)

Derek

Other than OSDN what does VA do? (3, Redundant)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499885)

The subject asks it all. They (apparently) don't do much development (above and beyond sourceforge) and they don't sell hardware. As far as I can tell they sell services for Sourceforge and ads for OSDN sites.

Exactly what business is VA in now?

Re:Other than OSDN what does VA do? (0, Funny)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499987)

Don't you see? in the NEW economy, you don't need to be in a "business". That's so 20th century , man! Get with the new paradigm!

fifth pist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499888)

j00 baby frost pist sux mah nutz!
woah

Stock Symbol (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499894)

Are they gonna change their stock symbol, being that it's LNUX?

stock symbol? (-1, Redundant)

Squeezer (132342) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499908)

so does this mean they will change their stock symbol from LNUX or LINX or whatever to a non-Linux like stock symbol?

Uhm... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499912)

Linux droppings? What kind of shit is that?

Heh heh heh.

You said "drop."

should name it... (0, Troll)

Hooya (518216) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499914)

VA va voom...

at least from NASDAQ.

Re:should name it... (2, Informative)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499937)

Nasdaq doesn't delist until you go under $1.

And even then, they aren't delisting anyone until January, due to the events of 9/11.

Re:should name it... (3, Informative)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500154)

"Nasdaq doesn't delist until you go under $1."

Actually, before 9/11, Nasdaq would, in theory, delist a company if it traded for under $1 for more than 30 days. In reality, they did allow many companies trading for under a buck to be listed for a lot longer (like Caldera for example).

Bitch bitch moan (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499915)

it's not your company, besides, Linux is being phased out. It's a fucking science experiment gone terribly amok and corrupt. It must be erradicated, and "VA" are taking those first intelligent steps.

Re:Bitch bitch moan (0, Flamebait)

DaedalusLogic (449896) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500079)

You either need a hug or a kick in the ass... Because, you're in a camp that considers their technology something akin to a cult/religion... I usually rip on Mac folks for this, but there's one in every family... The reason I'm a Linux fan is that I have TOTAL control over how my system performs if I so choose... That's why Linux and other open alternatives will always be around. I don't want a GUI on my webserver or a database server... I'm a big fan of using the right tool for the right job. Linux just happens to be a better tool for a server OS and so when a company that offered services for it stops... I wonder how they think they're going to make money off of a jackass like you.

So? (1)

hatter3bdev (533135) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499916)

I don't think that it really matters that they change their name, as long as it's not a move away from linux but a move to broaden their open source presence.

Re:So? (1, Troll)

kalleanka2 (318385) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499942)

HeheHe, You seem to have misunderstood something.

It is a move away from linux and a move away from open source.

Open source as a businessmodel is failing.

Re:So? (2, Insightful)

Embedded Geek (532893) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499946)

The problem here is that LINUX is the poster child in the mainstream/financial world. The appearance of this is (IMHO) a blow to open source in the mainstream, especially on the heels of M$oft releasing XP.

and cmdrtaco changing his name also (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499918)

in related news cmdrtaco has stepped out of the closet and changed his name to cmdr faggot.

Re:and cmdrtaco changing his name also (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499944)

I thought he changed his name already when he got married to JonKatz? He's JonTaco now... Put your Jon in my Taco, baby.

VA Research (5, Interesting)

Andy Tai (1884) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499923)

I believe VA Research was one of the former names of VA. Maybe VA shall adapt it again?
It sounds cool and VA can still sell services.

When is the Free Software Foundation (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499925)

Going to act on the mislabelling of the "Linux"
operating system? Linux is just the kernel.
Linux should be changed to GNU/Linux.
I see large lawsuits in the future.

Thank you and have an Afghan opium-filled day.

Where can they make a profit now? (3, Interesting)

thesolo (131008) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499930)

I always thought the VA linux hardware was a good route for them, and they discontinued that line and sold off all their machines (I picked one up for cheap on ebay, btw).

So what do they have now? Just sourceforge, thinkgeek, some misc. ads & services? Honestly, does anyone know what kind of move they are planning here, because this seems like another step in the wrong direction to me.

Re:Where can they make a profit now? (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500028)

They make a profit selling their asses on the streets of Bangkock!

Wow (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499933)

Even VA has seen that Linux is nothing but a burden. A useless OS designed for a 20 year old architecture based on a 30 year old operating system. What innovation.

Did they work there? (1)

Score Whore (32328) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499938)

I don't really follow this sort of thing, but I don't recall ever having the impression that "most of the really cool open source hackers" did work there. Did they?

Re:Did they work there? (3, Informative)

HitchHik (103069) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500011)

Well lets see, as far as I know at least:
Thodore Tso - ext2 and kernel
Stephen Tweedie - file systems
and I belive
Rasterman - enlightenment
worked for VA

Re:Did they work there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500059)

Rasterman is _so_ cool he pipes his code through some sort of code obfuscator.

Re:Did they work there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500066)

That obfuscator is called "brain damage."

He also pipes his normal text through it, too.

Re:Did they work there? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500168)

I see you've seen him on IRC.I understand his speech is just as bad.

Though I don't know about the brain damage.. I think it's the beer.

He is an Aussie, afterall.

Re:Did they work there?-correction (2, Informative)

HitchHik (103069) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500069)

I messed up:
Tweedie works for Redhat.

Great for the stock price!!! (5, Insightful)

toupsie (88295) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499939)

"VA Software"? Damn I am calling my broker right now. Not! This is a sign that end times are near for "VA Whatever". We have seen it time and time again in the Internet market. The second a company changes its name in this market, they are on the road to oblivion. Confuse the investors so they are not focused on the business plan.

I am really scared that Slashdot will be dumped real soon by "VA Whatever" and my personal data will be thrown into the wind for the company with the most pennies to snatch up. As we have seen in the past, its real tuff to control your own personal data held by a third party under extreme financial trouble.

I am sure that Pud at Fucked Company [fuckedcompany.com] will be reporting the demise of "VA Whatever" in the near future. Dump the stock if you got it.

Re:Great for the stock price!!! (1, Insightful)

aridhol (112307) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499960)

Sounds really intelligent there! The company's going to fail, so sell off all your stock so it'll fail sooner! Self-serving people make me sick.

Re:Great for the stock price!!! (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500022)

Fine, you can go down with the ship with the rest of the village idiots.

Besides, selling your stock is the un-patriotic thing to do!

Re:Great for the stock price!!! (1)

13013dobbs (113910) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500048)

What should they do? Ride the stock into the ground?

Re:Great for the stock price!!! (4, Insightful)

ahem (174666) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500144)

It never fails to surprise me when someone infers a causal relationship between stock price and company survival.

One way to assess what a stock price represents is that it is the consensus of the investing public regarding what the current value of all future cash flows for the company in question will be.

Stated more simply as two questions: 1. how much do you think this company will net over your lifetime? and 2. how much are you willing to pay today in cash for the rights to receive a fraction of that total future net?

The multiplicative Pozni-like "loaves and fishes" effect of squandered venture capital led to the recent trend of tech companies being in a business other than producing technology, namely the production of securities and the paper they were printed on. Because of this loss of focus on actually making a product and a profit, these securities are no longer worth the paper they're printed on.

In the wake of this effect, you get people asserting that a stock price dropping to zero will make a company fail. In fact, most investors thinking that there will be no future stream of income, and there being a commensurate lack of buyers for the stock representing that income stream, is what causes the stock price to drop to zero.

Re:Great for the stock price!!! (2)

JanneM (7445) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500167)

Welcome to the stock market reality. Fundamentals are only one factor driving it; perception - and even more important - perceptions of everybody elses perceptions are just as important (in the short to medium term at least).

/Janne

Slashdot (-1, Troll)

VA Software (533136) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499940)

Slashdot will survive. I promise.

Haw Haw! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500041)

(score: -1, Troll), indeed!

what about (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499941)

VA XP?

Who fucking cares, VA LNUX scammed hundreds of millions of dollars from hardworking people.

Good riddance.

Open Source Maketplace Insights (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499943)

I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying technology.

I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult for, we wanted to integrate Linux into our server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.

I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3 machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say the results were less than impressive... We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a "server" based operating system. The 3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise" environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour, we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the Linux boxes.

Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the same freedoms as the GPL.

As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming, but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your only choices.

thank you.

Re:Open Source Maketplace Insights (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2499952)

I am switching to a Visual Basic kernel and drivers immediately.

Thank you for saving me a lot of time wasted with Linux.

+3 ; Insightful ; Trollaxor wrote this! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500019)

of sh$t.

Sign us up for all updates of Winbloze.

Very truly yours,

Bill Gates, Microcrap Craporation

Steve Ballmer, ditto

Who is this "VB Software" you mention? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500030)

Apart from coming immediately behind VA Software, what do they do?

VA XP (1)

luugi (150586) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499961)

VA XP
I wouldn't be surprised.Lately it feels that they are going to need to sell there soul to the devil soon

This is news? (0, Offtopic)

chinton (151403) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499962)

How on earth does this qualify as a "newsable" event? This should be good news to all developer's who value meaningful identifier names... :^)

stocks (0)

corz (409850) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499973)

uhm.... isn't there stock symbol LNUX?

Dead pool for VA Linux^WSoftware Corp. (2, Interesting)

Yankovic (97540) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499975)

Anyone want to start taking odds?

Seriously though, what does this say about two crucial things:

A) What's going to happen to slashdot [if|when] VA Software Corp. goes under? It'll be incredibly hard to maintain the servers/routers/etc. with volunteers only.

B) Is there anyone left from a commercial standpoint other than IBM and Redhat who are willing to stand behind Linux?

The end of Commerce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500053)

Is there anyone left from a commercial standpoint other than IBM and Redhat who are willing to stand behind Linux?


No. And since Linux is the wave of the Future, we must conclude that we have, finally, reached the ultimate Communist utopia, when there is no more greedy commerce to stand between us and infinite happiness.

Re:Dead pool for VA Linux^WSoftware Corp. (2)

trilucid (515316) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500149)


How about the thousands of web hosting companies out there that use Linux in all its varied distros?

How about software companies that are beginning (and some that have been for some time) to offer *nix software development services?

How about the embedded folks and various appliance devices that use variants on Linux?

I don't think Linux will be vanishing anytime soon if one company bites the dust. Just because the (literally) thousands of companies out there supporting Linux aren't necessarily "household names" doesn't mean they don't have significant impact.

At first glance, your post seemed to smell of troll... upon further consideration, it just seems dumb. Sorry to be harsh.

Thanks for the news (1)

dbCooper0 (398528) | more than 11 years ago | (#2499993)

Too bad I can't read the WSJ without subscribing.

Another post suggests that you and /. will "survive"

I only ask that you fix the server's time stamp - unless you've moved your farm to Central Time. What's the command? rdate [-something] tic (or toc).usno.navy.mil in the cron...?

hello, folks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500000)

welcome to vapressreleases.com!

Re:hello, folks (0, Offtopic)

krelian (525362) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500155)

Of all the great comments that are posted on /. this one needed to get the magic 2.5 mil number...

The free OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500002)

Linux was great when funded by speculation and greed for huge returns, however, in any economic downturn, a big buzzword is ACCOUNTABILITY. I like linux, I think it's great. I run it at home. However, who in their right mind is going to base their business on a loose confederation of programmers with no accountability? Joe Blow is writing Driver X which you need to interface Z with component Y. Joe Blow is great while he is employeed, writing these drivers on spare company time. You are happy, downloading Joe's drivers and installing them, making your network run. One day, Joe's company goes under. Joe doesn't have a job and when he gets back on his feet, he is actually busy working all the time and doesn't really care about his drivers anymore. In the meantime, MyPOS has been upgraded to fix several nasty bugs, but it requires a new kernel, which unfortunately breaks Joe's last drivers. Now you are stuck: Hire a contract UNIX programmer who may not be able to do anything, Accept MyPOS may eat it once in a while, or buy new hardware with better drivers.

Scale this up and this is open source. It's fine if your home Pentium server crashes and takes out your MP3s, Pron, and Warez archives, but if your in a mission critical situation and your accounting file server crashes, it's a little different.

Accountability. If my MacOS X server dies and it was a code flaw, I sue Apple. If my Windows server dies based on a line of defective drives from IBM, I sue IBM. If my Linux server crashes because Steve's New Kernel Patch sucks, there's no recourse.

VA probably doesn't want to be held accountable any longer for an operating system that is more of a hobby horse than world class.

Re:The free OS (0)

alexborges (313924) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500045)

What, its exactly the same for propietary systems!

Re:The free OS (0, Troll)

vsync64 (155958) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500179)

Now you are stuck: Hire a contract UNIX programmer who may not be able to do anything, Accept MyPOS may eat it once in a while, or buy new hardware with better drivers.

Or you could hire Joe. Yes, you might have to pay him more than you would like if he doesn't jump at the chance to maintain his code for money. But guess what? People are under no obligation to give you free services.

Scale this up and this is open source. It's fine if your home Pentium server crashes and takes out your MP3s, Pron, and Warez archives, but if your in a mission critical situation and your accounting file server crashes, it's a little different.

"Mission critical." Haha. I've stopped listening to such garbage. NASA? Sure. Military, paramedics, police? Yeah. But "accounting file server"? Please. I really couldn't care less about how well the wheels of business keep turning at this point.

Accountability. If my MacOS X server dies and it was a code flaw, I sue Apple.

You go right ahead, and then you watch that suit get thrown out of court because the disclaimers stated that it was not to be used in "mission critical" situations, and the license agreement said that you would not hold them liable.

If my Windows server dies based on a line of defective drives from IBM, I sue IBM.

Cool. You might get a coupon for some discounts on IBM floppy disks or something.

If my Linux server crashes because Steve's New Kernel Patch sucks, there's no recourse.

Am I supposed to think this is a problem? There are lots of things in life for which there is no recourse. People make mistakes. Get over it. Tell your manager, "I chose this technology because based upon my judgement and professional experience, which was why you hired me, it did and still does appear to be the best solution.".

Mainly, grow a spine and accept some responsibility for your own choices in life for once.

Finally (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500003)

I can post this ontopic! As part of it's name change and change in corporate structure, is VA changing it's Privacy Policy? Or will Slashdot just remain in violation of it? [slashdot.org] .

Here's as good a place as any for an open letter to VA!

An Open Letter to VA Concerning Privacy on Slashdot

To whom it may concern,
It has come to our attention that Slashdot is building a detailed database of every visitor and user of Slashdot. This database includes, among other personal details, an address history which permanently records every IP address assosciated with every Slashdot user and comment for all time. We are concerned that this database is a signifigant Intellectual Property asset that may be abused in the event of a sale of Slashdot by VA Linux to a third party.

In addition, we feel that keeping a permanent and indelible record of every IP address used to post every Anonymous comment on Slashdot erases whatever hopes of anonymity that endangered or threatened users may have had. To name two examples, Chinese dissidents and corporate insiders can have no expectation of anonymously revealing civil rights violations and corporate abuse.

It is our hope that given these concerns, VA Linux or Slashdot may choose to provide an opt-out option to users, whereby users could choose not to be tracked and profiled if they so request. Some discussion has been made of a Slashdot subscription service; perhaps one revenue stream for Slashdot would be to sell Privacy Rights. For a low yearly fee, a user could purchase the right not to be tracked, profiled, and logged by IP address.

Whatever steps are taken, it is our hope that Slashdot will address the current privacy concerns in public to allay our fears and to promote open discussion.

Thanks again for creating one of the most popular sites on the Internet, and all the best.

-The Slashdot Privacy Watch Team.


um.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500006)

like we give a shit what va does?

Va linux (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500010)

Va linux believes that if they remove the 'linux' part of their name people might start taking them seriously and begin think they are a 'real' company (nobody has ever made money from linux)

how much longer until delisting? (-1, Flamebait)

VAXGeek (3443) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500012)

and now: ASCII man with a very important notice:
|.- - - -- - - -.|
| |
|&nbspSTOCK QUOTE:|
| LNUX = $1.29|
| _ _ _ _ __ _ |
' - -- . . - - - '
| _|/
| ." ".
| /(o)-(o)\
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OUCH, down from more than $200! way to burn money, guys. next time, try selling something people can't get for free.
VA Linux (oops, VA Software) is going down NeXT style. First, cut the hardware (VA Linux servers). Secondly, sell some kind of sloppy software solution (SourceForge). Here's the NeXTSTEP: (hehe) try and come across as some sort of consulting company, which I see VA slowly drifting towards. Sadly, even the genius of Steve Jobs could not save a flailing company, and I don't think whoever is driving down at VA Whatever can either. /. guys: you better start sending out job applications pretty soon. Helpful hint: getting an MCSE is a good way to raise your marketability!

As a quick aside, notice how all the ads we see on /. are OSDN sites? No wonder they are in the can! All of their revenue is inter-departmental. I guarantee when /. gets those new half-page popups everyone is talking about, they'll be ThinkGeek ads.

Re:how much longer until delisting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500051)

ESR [tuxedo.org] is driving VA Software. May God help us all...

Re:how much longer until delisting? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500087)

I had a good ASCII graphic of ESR too. Fucking lameness filter!

Pathetic.. (2, Interesting)

guacamole (24270) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500015)

VA Started as a Linux hardware company.. failed.
Tried being a Linux support company (ala Linuxcare) and.. failed.
I am bit suspicious of companies that keep on changing their business strategy as if it was a pair of gloves at a first sign of economic trouble..

LNUX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500016)

So, are they going to change the stock symbol? I remember where people were pissed because the used Linux(LNUX) as thier symbol. My how things change......

It's THAT time again! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500020)

Yes boys and girls, it's time to play "Fsck the moderators" again, the game that's as simple as it is fun! You know the rules, now it's time to play!

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What's next? (5, Funny)

hartsock (177068) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500025)

Source Developer's Network?

Dot instead of SlashDot?

Meat instead of Freshmeat?

Re:What's next? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500068)

Next they sell your Customer Profile.

Read this for more information: The Slashdot Privacy Watch [slashdot.org] .

An Open Letter to VA Linux Concerning Privacy on Slashdot

To whom it may concern,
It has come to our attention that Slashdot is building a detailed database of every visitor and user of Slashdot. This database includes, among other personal details, an address history which permanently records every IP address assosciated with every Slashdot user and comment for all time. We are concerned that this database is a signifigant Intellectual Property asset that may be abused in the event of a sale of Slashdot by VA Linux to a third party.

In addition, we feel that keeping a permanent and indelible record of every IP address used to post every Anonymous comment on Slashdot erases whatever hopes of anonymity that endangered or threatened users may have had. To name two examples, Chinese dissidents and corporate insiders can have no expectation of anonymously revealing civil rights violations and corporate abuse.

It is our hope that given these concerns, VA Linux or Slashdot may choose to provide an opt-out option to users, whereby users could choose not to be tracked and profiled if they so request. Some discussion has been made of a Slashdot subscription service; perhaps one revenue stream for Slashdot would be to sell Privacy Rights. For a low yearly fee, a user could purchase the right not to be tracked, profiled, and logged by IP address.

Whatever steps are taken, it is our hope that Slashdot will address the current privacy concerns in public to allay our fears and to promote open discussion.

Thanks again for creating one of the most popular sites on the Internet, and all the best.

-The Slashdot Privacy Watch Team.


Re:What's next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500137)

They can sell what they want. Email address changed to my throaway @hotmail account, nothing else is the least bit important. Marketroids can chase around all those dynamic IP addresses in there of mine all they want. Homepage? Extra hits for me. Real name field has always just contained my nick. My comments have never contained my real name.

Let the marketers waste their time with the data; it's less valuable since it's all bogus.

Dot instead of SlashDot? no... (5, Funny)

abe ferlman (205607) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500120)

Dot instead of SlashDot?

no, it will be backslashDot (c)

The bill gates borg icon will get a stylish makeover and a heroic background to boot.

free passport account with your backslashdot registration!

WTF!! Where is your chivalry and patriotism now? (-1)

NRAdude (166969) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500040)

VA Linux:

-we sell linux-based rackmount servers, desktops, clusters and host websites for companies all over the opensourced spectrum.

VA Software:

-we sell software solutions for businesses and companies wanting a presence on the internet

Next thing you'll hear is that VA Software is moving all their corporate headquarters overseas to China. From which they'll once again change their corporate name to

VA-China

- which of'course will coincide with that "troll" talking about Linus Torvalds', Richard Stallman's, and Eric Raymond's names being anologies for immoral and verry porno-situated ideas...

I still can't get over the naming convention of VA moving to China. VA-China... VA-China... that doesn't sound right, but hey, it'll be the next funny link on www.engrish.com [engrish.com] if VA ditches USA, right?

Distance from the Linux label? (2, Insightful)

ll5 (522784) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500074)

I have to wonder if that is what they are realling interested in doing? It is damn hard to make money with Linux services and support. Most of the people who are capable of using Linux in a production arena do not need or require support contracts and consulting services. Until there exists an enterprise level killer app for Linux the only people who are going to be interested in running linux are geeks anyway. Think of an exchange killer for the enterprise, that is when the conservative management types will become interested in Linux. That is also when companies will be able to survive offering up expertise and service contracts. Till then, good luck hitching your wagon to the Linux money train because it just does not exist. Quite possible it never will either.

The Question that Begs Asking (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500075)

Supposing VA Software decides to cut off Slashdot... What's the Slashdot operating budget and can it stand on its own (ad revenues being what they are and whatever other revenue there might be)?

VA BSD (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500089)

Yes, too many bad things happened lately in this world. In order to survive, VA BSD is a good name.

Worried about open-source funding (5, Interesting)

CmdrTroll (412504) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500096)

This change bothers me. A lot. VA is Just Another Software Company(tm) now. Not a Linux company and not a company that has a vested interest in promoting open source. Back in the day, VA's success rested on the success of the Open Source movement. Not any longer - as a software company, they are going to be producing commercial wares that compete with open source solutions. Overnight, they have changed from our friend to our enemy.

Many of us saw this coming, but that's beside the point. But personally, I'd rather see VA fold than become a commercial software house. What does VA's new focus mean to us? Well:

  • Say goodbye to OSDN. And I don't just mean OSDN, as in, "VA hires a bunch of people to write Linux software." I mean, VA has no reason to support Slashdot, Sourceforge, Themes.org, and other very expensive sites that produce zero revenue. They will probably just sell the sites off to the highest bidder (who will just want the accumulated customer data, and shut the sites down). As we have seen [etoys.com] in the past, privacy policies mean squat after a business has been sold.
  • Say goodbye to UNIX support. It's expensive to develop for UNIX compared to Windows. VB programmers are a dime a dozen and can be hired for $30k a year, so why would a software company want to hire anyone else? The former "LNUX" will soon be in bed with Microsoft before we know it.
  • The removal of the "LNUX" ticker symbol will be another vote of non-confidence in Linux to pointy-haired managers who watch CNBC all day but don't have a clue about technology. Really. The business community will believe "Linux is dead" and it will be an uphill struggle to regain their confidence.
  • Augustin et al are willing to sell out their friends and scam anyone in order to make a quick buck. One needs to look no farther than the unscrupulous activities that happened on LNUX opening day to see what a shady company VA is. Our trust has been misplaced.

The future is looking bleak. Our biggest cheerleader has switched sides on us and we are going to be in serious trouble. I certainly hope the Linux community can survive this ordeal.

-CT

Re:Worried about open-source funding (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500111)

As we have seen [etoys.com] in the past, privacy policies mean squat after a business has been sold.

All the more reason for The Slashdot Privacy Watch [slashdot.org] .

Re:Worried about open-source funding (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500176)

Who modded this up? Did you read the nickname? This guy is CLEARLY trolling!

Not to be confused with .... (1)

pjones (10800) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500105)

VA the state or with Virgin Airlines

Can I Sell My Karma? (1, Flamebait)

quakeaddict (94195) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500124)

My Karma is worth more than VA Linux err VA Software errr VA DOA.

Brush up your resumes guys. They have no money, and they dont have a clue.

It must really suck just waiting for them to pull the trigger.

Funny...Microsoft is making money hand over fist. Do you think its because they have a business model? A clue?

Re:Can I Sell My Karma? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500146)

Actually, I think it's because they have a monopoly. But YMMV..

So long as they don't call it (0)

WillSeattle (239206) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500126)

VA Microsoft

if they do that, my next box will be a Penguin.

sad, maybe.. (-1)

evil_spork (444038) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500130)

Yes, it's sad that a lot of the open source hackers don't work there anymore. But also, I think it may be for the better in reflecting changes that the company just isn't involved in Linux anymore but has expanded its horizons. This is for the better because in the ever-worsening economic conditions and with the complete belly-flop that a lot of the dotcoms and Linux stocks did, expanding their horizons might keep them around. If expanding their business beyond Linux keeps VA around, it's certainly for the better, and everyone should understand this. The name just reflects this. All I can say is best of luck to VA and I hope it works for them.

Yup (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2500132)

Saw this one coming [angelfire.com] .

But how is it pronounced? (1)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500141)

Vee Eh Software or Vah Software??? Could we get their CEO to record an MP3 of the correct pronunciation?

Open source business is incomparable to closed (5, Insightful)

defile (1059) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500142)

The open source business model is not:

Lets sell an alternative to Windows, but using open source! This will erode Windows marketshare and open source companies will make
billions!

What other possible software market is there besides that, you ask? Look up job offers for programmers. 95% of them have nothing to do with working on a commercial software product. Most programmers develop custom systems. These are seldom sold on store shelves and never exist outside of the environment they're created in.

It just so happens open source software and custom developed systems go hand-in-hand. This is the market the open source business model targets. This market alone is far larger than the commercial software market.

This is exactly what IBM's core business is involved with, and exactly why they're so behind open source.

This blows big-time. (5, Insightful)

Lac (135355) | more than 11 years ago | (#2500151)

The thing that really gets to me is what this says about free software businesses, and about our understanding of it. Most people agreed, making a business from free software was supposed to go like this:

  1. Give the software, sell support: this, as we all know, doesn't work. If the software is that good, no-one needs support. If it isn't, no-one wants it. This is what RedHat does.
  2. Give the software, sell the hardware: now this works! Just look at IBM. Okay, okay, they don't actually give DB2 or OS/2 away, but you get the idea. It works! IBM, VA Whatever. VA Whatever, IBM. Profit!

Yet VA Whatever has gone down in flames in a major way while RedHat is mostly going strong. Zope Corporation is doing very well too. So was Cygnus before it was bought out. And etc. ad nauseam. I guess we were flat-out wrong.

Or maybe it was VA Whatever's fault. They had it all: big visibility, a whole shitload of cash, and many of the smartest people in the business. The only snag, I think, was that Direction didn't realize that they actually needed a plan, too.

I think they still don't realize that. Someone should tell them and tell them now. Will you do it, or should I? How about you, Taco? You know the guys. GO TO THEIR OFFICE AND CLUB THEM OVER THE HEAD REPEATEDLY WHILE SCREAMING "YOU FRIGGING MORONS".

Thank you.

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