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HP Officially Announces 40g MP3 Stereo Component

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the stuff-to-lust-after dept.

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jspectre writes "HP announced their new de100c "digital entertainment center." Containing a 40g drive and a built in CDRW drive it will store "up to 750 CDs of music" or 9000 tracks. You can make your own playlists and burn them out to CDR/CDRW's. All of this for $999.99. No mention of any digital management controls on the device." I totally need a review model! I saw this thing at the last LinuxWorld and it looked good, but only really playing with it for a few weeks will let me know if it's better then the audiotron that I've been using in my home system.

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yep (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507207)

Get yer frosty piss heah!
hot frosty piss heah!

Re:yep (-1)

kahuna720 (56586) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507217)

So what happened to GnR anyway? They were cool.
Is this Axl?

Re:yep (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507237)

Last I saw of them, Axl was playing with Buckethead in Brazil or something. So yea, that could well be him up there.

Re:yep (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507282)

Their new record got delayed AGAIN. It was supposed to come out Xmas time '99, IIRC. Then spring '00. Summer '01. Supposedly, the new band has re-recorded Appetite like 3 times. Buckethead had some sort of internal bleeding and had to cancel his touring. Then I heard Buckethead didn't want to play with GnR anymore.

Axl is being a dick. Slash has said he'll play with Axl again only if the original lineup is with him. Duff is probably in Japan somewhere getting hummers from petite whores. Both Duff and Izzy have solo albums out. I don't think they did too well. Matt is playing with the Cult again I think.

fp (-1)

kahuna720 (56586) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507208)


When will it be $300 bucks? (5, Insightful)

wessto (469499) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507213)

If I want it for my home, why would I buy this? can't I get an actual CD Jukebox that stores around 100 CD's for about $300? Yeah Yeah, it's cool and everything, but I won't be rushing out to get one. Mp3's seem cost effective in their portability. At home though, $1000 seems a bit much.

It's new. Wait. (4, Interesting)

mblase (200735) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507439)

Everyone knows that the first CD players and DVD players cost nearly $1000 or more when they first came out. They come down when they become more popular, the manufacturing process becomes more standardized, and the demand is high enough to justify it.

As for your $300 CD jukebox, check out the specs on this toy -- internet connectivity, TV display, HomePNA broadcasting, and of course, a larger hard drive. Feature-wise, there's no comparison.

Waste of money (0, Troll)

turd191 (531441) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507216)

This is a bad decision on HP's part and even worse decision by anybody that would actually pay money for this. You can build or purchase a pc that has more functionality and also do all that this box is capable of for less money.

Re:Waste of money (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507265)

> You can build or purchase a pc that has more
> functionality

We might be able to build one, but not everybody can. And not everybody wants a PC in their living room. The price is high, but as we know, it will come down. Hope HP makes it...they've been doing some cool stuff recently.

Re:Waste of money (1)

ichimunki (194887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507416)

For $1000 I can buy a used P/166, a huge HD or two (40gb? Please. I can get a CD changer that holds 100 CDs at a time, you need to come with more than 40gb to beat that), install a console linux, buy an old used LCD monitor and a keyboard and still have enough left over to build another one.

You're right, I don't really want this computer in my living room, but it's better than wasting $1000 on something a lot less versatile. Heck, my machine plays Ogg Vorbis too. :)

Re:Waste of money (1)

wikki (13091) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507329)

Amen to that. You can get a nice "digital entertainment system" for 999 these days. Not to mention that you probably need a computer to make this thing useful anyway. But I do want to know.... does it a have a built in gnutella servant?

Re:Waste of money (0)

Anomymous Coward (303315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507383)

I'm not sure about the gnutella remark, but it seems possible.

The machine does have some sort of built in networking ability, possibly to grab mp3's off of a home computer, but according to their specs (see my other post [] ), it also works with your (non aol / non free ) ISP to access the internet. This seems to imply to me that there COULD be some sort of filesharing built in. I guess you'd have to buy one to be sure.

Re:Waste of money (2, Insightful)

biggerboy (512438) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507378)

I think we covered this somewhere else -- why would anyone want a honking, fan-blowing PC running while their stereo is going?

It's the usual /. PC-centric rant. The only thing missing is the word Linux.

Re:Waste of money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507410)

It's too expensive, but it does have advantages over PCs. Smaller case. No noisy fans. Uses less power. Doesn't look too out of place next to a stereo. Probably sounds better than a PC, since it's designed to play music and only music. Much simpler to use than a PC (simple to use controls, likely no assembly or complex configuring required, unlike a PC).

Dedicated devices will always beat a general-purpose PC on ease of use, which is what this thing's target audience is, who most likely want to listen to cds/mps on their stereo but without a noisy, complex, cumbersome PC. If you want to build your own, go ahead. Joe Sixpack (the other 90% of the civilized world) doesn't.

Digital management (2)

quartz (64169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507220)

No mention of any digital management controls on the device

Digital management controls on the device would be nice, actually. Digital rights management controls, on the other hand...

why? (5, Insightful)

s20451 (410424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507224)

How is this significantly different from getting a kick-ass sound card (for around $200) and a 40g hard drive (for around $150) in my computer (which I already own) and hooking it up to my stereo? I can't think of a good reason to spend $999 for dedicated hardware.

Re:why? (2, Interesting)

sledd_1 (464094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507258)

Because it has factory audio components that fit seamlessly into your existing home entertainment center?
Because it (guessing) makes less noise than a PC?
Because it doesn't look like your science project gone bad?

Re:why? (1)

dorsey (119963) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507302)

But is it really worth paying twice as much to have a stereo component that does nothing else other than look nicer than a PC?

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507315)

You don't get out much, do you?

Do you have any idea how ridiculous your question sounds to someone who has spent more on thier entertainment centre than thier car?

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507370)

People like that certainly don't read slashdot looking for advice moron.

Re:why? (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507396)

If they have an entertainment "centre", then they are either English or stupid. In neither case does anybody give a fuck what they think.

Re:why? (2)

ravrazor (69324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507394)

One issue I ran into with my pc-based mp3 server is that there's no way to view and edit the playlists other than at your computer...i can skip a track via an IR receiver, but in terms of any more complicated interaction with the computer remotely, i haven't been able to find anything, other than a IR-boosted palm pilot using Bluetooth or WAP...and that's not the simplest or cheapest way. Anybody else got suggestions?
In that sense, then this almost becomes worth it (almost). it's integrated, remote controllable and won't look wacky sitting in your living room.

The best thing I can see about this is that it uses your tv to do stuff like this...and it's always more convenient/easier to be able to use a tv w/ remote than having to walk to your computer. 2 cents...

Re:why? (4, Informative)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507347)

True, but you can also put together something that looks nice (in a small form factor case: BookPC for example) that also has quality stereo/video/tv output for a lot less money.

The only kicker would be the user interface. I've seen a couple of things on Freshmeat that put a nice front end (that's TV resolution friendly) for a "media" computer. I guess it comes down to a) how much you're willing to spend and b) how much sweat you want to invest.

At close to a grand its for me its worth building my own. Once it comes down to within $50 or so of building something comparable I'd be willing to plunk my money down.

Re:why? (-1)

Anomymous Coward (303315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507423)

True, but you can also put together something that looks nice (in a small form factor case: BookPC for example) that also has quality stereo/video/tv output for a lot less money.

You're right. You can. I can. My friends can. My mom cant. My dad could, but wouldnt. My friends' parents probably cant. The difference between you and the rest of society is substantial: Just because the people on /. CAN build a computer to do what this does does NOT imply that the rest of society can, nor would they care to, as the result wouldnt look as good as the HP model.

Re:why? (1) (152591) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507365)

* Remote control
* LCD display

Yes, you could build something cheaper, but most home users would never BUILD something like this.

Cost needs to come down to the sub $200 level to really reach a consumer market, however.


robvasquez (411139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507375)

Because it's nowhere near as geeky.

Besides, what do you do when the Ms. wants to hear some Imbruglia, and you want to read Slashdot, look at pr0n, or play Doom 3?

Re:why? (4, Funny)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507385)

<GeekBashingJoke>Because some of us live in homes with TWO rooms, where we want to use our computer in our office AND let someone else (like this thing known as a "wife") listen to music. Not everyone lives with our mom and just has to worry about his own room.</GeekBashingJoke>

In any case, you would want it for the same reason you might have a "dedicated" CD player on your stereo stack. Sometimes you want your computer to be your computer, and stereo equipment to be stereo equipment on the rack.

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507406)

Because the average joe can't do what you and I can do.

Also, keep in mind that this thing probably has a much nicer/simpler UI than anything you would just slap together. You would have a spend a significant amount of time/energy making it look like a peice of stereo equipment. (Not that you couldn't take the time...)

Re:why? (1)

jack1323 (301059) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507419)

I agree that the price is a little much...but as far as sound quality goes, everyone I know who has connected their sound card to their stereo hears a barely audible ~50Hz hum on the channel. Most people who connect to their stereo do it to play there music loud(er), in which that barely audible hum becomes quite audible. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard a sound card that doesn't put this noise on the line.

Re:why? (3, Funny)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507440)

This is a consumer-entertainment device aimed at a market that's not as adept with computers as the usual /. crowd. It's intended for someone who needs Steve the Dell Computer Kid to tell him what to look for in a PC.

No Digital Rights Management - Yee Haw! (1)

Distan (122159) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507226)

Wow! If HP really shipped this thing without any digital rights management, that would show that there is at least one company out there who understands and knows how to do things right.

With all the mismanagement and crappy products coming out of HP recently, I had all but given up on them. But this might show that there is a glimmer of hope after all.

The "technical description" of this product that I have read has been kind of vague. Can anyone confirm that it doesn't do anything whatsoever to restrict what you do with your music?

Good Question! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507270)

Does anybody know the answer to the above?

(Shameless, I know!)

looks sweet, but... (1)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507227)

yeah, it sounds nice, but is it really worth the thousand dollar price tag? an embedded linux system that plays mp3s, burns, and has a 40GB disk. Hopefully the sound quality beats audiotron, but it's still a little pricey for my tastes. Oh, and a possible first post, although I'm sure the anonymous cowards have beaten me to it by now. The price I pay for actually putting down something worthwhile (to me, anyways...)

that's strange... (2)

turbine216 (458014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507229)

it's odd that HP would release a product like this, when its newly-assimilated partner Compaq just released an eerily similar product [] at the exact same price point. And from what i can tell, the Compaq product is less attractive, as it lacks the CD-burner feature. Spooky.

Re:that's strange... (2, Insightful)

Distan (122159) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507251)

Not strange at all. The merger has barely been announced, while these products must have been in the pipeline for awhile.

Furthermore, even if the companies wanted to not step on each other's toes, the law requires that they continue to behave as competitors until the final merger goes through.

Re:that's strange... (2)

turbine216 (458014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507289)

right, and as such, it would seem appropriate for HP to release a slightly more competetive product than Compaq did...for instance, if they would have simply upped the hard drive space by 5 gigs or maybe sold an equivalent model for 50 bucks less. But all in all, this product absolutely kicks the Compaq Music Center's ass.

I see what you're saying and everything, and i totally agree with you, but it still seems odd to me that HP would want to upstage Compaq in such a huge way.

not especially impressed... (2)

connorbd (151811) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507231)

Would it really be that hard to build one of those for far less than HP is charging, say with an LCD display and remote on the front of a filthy-cheap tower box? (Not to mention a video card with an S-video jack so you can do your selecting through the TV...)


Re:not especially impressed... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507296)

Not if Hemos builds it. Despite being on a budget, he'll use a $250 case.

So basically... (1)

laserjet (170008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507234)

So basically HP is coming out with a computer, at twice the price and no monitor?

It's always too little too late.

Don't get me wrong - I would love to have one of these, it JUST ISN"T SOMETHING I WOULD BUY. And that's bad for HP - they need people to BUY stuff to make money. The way our economy is right now, people are stopping spending money on luxury items, such as this (i.e. shit you don't need). I doubt anyone here will buy this, but I sure wish my friend would so I could borrow it some time.

Too expensive (1)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507235)

$999 for a PC that look like a VCR? I don't think so. You could probably build yourself a cheap PC with all the functions sans the look for less than 500. This will probably fail, way too expensive.

Re:Too expensive (2, Interesting)

jspectre (102549) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507264)

You miss the point. This device isn't for computer-savvy people who can rip-mix-burn their own mp3's.. This is for mom and pop who don't know an mp3 from an IDE.

Also take a look at the extra features (that I should have mentioned when submitting the article). The box also is 'net savvy and will download to your portable mp3 player (doesn't mention which ones are supported though). So it's a little more sophisticated than your average mp3 player.

Wonder what OS it's running and what upgrades they could come up with for it. Turn it into a WebTV/PTR unit and it's a nice combo box for your bucks.

Hmmm. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507243)

People are gonna be pissed when copy protection breaks these things.

Storage in the wrong place (3, Insightful)

Mwongozi (176765) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507245)

Since this thing is supposed to sit in your hi-fi stack, it's not supposed to be portable, yes? And since it plays MP3s, it's assumed that you own a PC, yes?

So why put any storage in it at all? Why not just shove a network socket on the back, or make it 802.11x aware, and play MP3s off a server on your network?

That would be sweet.

Re:Storage in the wrong place (1)

pdh11 (227974) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507371)

Disclaimer: I work for those guys.

Re:Storage in the wrong place (1)

checkyoulater (246565) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507398)

And, what happens when the hard drive fails? Will HP replace all the music that I didn't backup? They expect us to backup 40 gigs of music on cdr's?

I can imagine the tech support calls at HP...

"My music won't play. All I hear is a clicking noise."

"Your hard drive needs to be replaced, Ma'am."

"What's a hard drive? Will that fix my music?"

Re:Storage in the wrong place (2)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507430)

And since it plays MP3s, it's assumed that you own a PC, yes?

No. You'll note that it doesn't specifically mention PCs, and it includes a CD-RW drive. It looks like it can rip and burn CDs by itself.

Expensive (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507246)

Kind of pricy, considering it doesn't have any speakers with it. For $1000, you could build a computer with much more than 40 GP of space and a nice sound card, and get things like gaming, internet, and office functionality out of it too.

duplicate post ? (2, Redundant)

shivan (12148) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507252)

isn't this [] [/.] the same article ??

Re:duplicate post ? (0, Flamebait)

khuber (5664) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507287)

Yes and whomever gave you offtopic is a dumbass.


MODERATOR ? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507399)

What's up with the moderators ?? The user is only pointing out that this has been posted before, linking the article, just for the mear fact that you can check the comments that were allready made into the original post. And then you mod it as being offtopic ?? fuck that

Digital Rights Management (2, Interesting)

rmadmin (532701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507257)

Hrm.. I'm trying to figure something out here. Obviously the DMCA peoples and RIAA will be all over this one eventually. The question of the day for me is, how would you build in an effective digital rights management system without causing alot of problems?

I certainly have no idea how to look at 2 mp3s, and say, 'Uh, this person owns this cd', or 'Uh, it was downloaded from napster! Evil copyright infringment person!!!!"

I'm wondering if it is set up to only store mp3's that are ripped IN that unit, with no other method of transport. But that doesn't stop someone from copying someone elses CD, then ripping it. Or borrowing the CD for a day, and ripping it that way. I hate to rant on and on about the DMCA, but even though they won congress over, they are still fighting an uphill battle.

$1G? (2)

Matt2000 (29624) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507271)

$999? Doesn't this seem a bit steep? That hard drive can't be worth much more than $100 at bulk pricing and the CDRW is probably worth about the same, if that.

I'd just recommend to anyone thinking of buying this thing to get a low powered home computer, and an external DA [] .

But then again, I'm a nerd.

$999?!?!? (3, Insightful)

iceT (68610) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507272)

It's that a little high on the price? A Rio Reciever is only $150, and the audiotron is only $300... Hell, a TiVO with a 60GB hard drive is only $400 (list)...

How do they justify a grand?

Re:$999?!?!? (2)

smallpaul (65919) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507432)

Speaking of TiVo, when is somebody going to make a convergence device that does TiVo-like stuff and MP3-like stuff. Once you've got all of the connectors and the hard drive it is really just a question of software.

Attention Grammar Police (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507276)

create personal music playlists
holds up to 750 CDs of music
works with you home stereo, TV, and the Internet

A Waste Of Time. Another HP Blunder (2, Interesting)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507277)

Consider what this is - an outdated PC repackaged as a "device". Whats inside? A Pentium and maybe 64 MB of RAM? Add on the 40GB hard rive and you are looking at $350 tops for the parts.

As for having "all of my music in one box" - sure, if its portable. Why would I transfer all of the CDs in my jukebox over to another box, at lower fidelity? By virtue of having all of my CDs in my jukebox, all of my music is already in one box. The fact that the unit accesses the data on CDs instead of off of a hard drive is inconsequential.

The only value add I can see is tha TV interface. Not worth a grand.

This is as pathetic as the Audrey rollout by 3Com months ago. I makes me wince to watch the once venerable tech giants roll out ridiculous toys to the collective shrug of the consumer public.

HP in particular is just becoming sad. They've devolved from a tech powerhouse to a manufacturing dinosaur trying to compete with $39 inkjet printers I can buy at the grocery store (who cares if they are junk??), Dell in the PC world, and IBM in enterprise computing. Maybe its good that both founders are gone now, so they don't have to see their once-great creation mate with Compaq.

40 Gigabytes, not 40 grams... (5, Funny)

Ecyrd (51952) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507278)

For a moment I thought this was interesting: A 40 gram MP3 player. But then I realized someone had gotten their units mixed up again.

Seems to happen a lot in the US. [] *evil grin*

(G = Giga = 10^12, g = gram = 1/1000 of kilogram.)

yes but (-1)

Shitsack Comments (256887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507279)

what about nipples?

Kenwood Sovereign Line (2, Informative)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507281)

I think I'd be more likely to buy an Entre' Hub from Kenwood. It's only got a 20GB drive (you just gotta bea able to hack those things!), but it'll link up to their 400+3 CD/DVD changers and will catalog and provide an interface for your real disks as well as the cool MP3 functions. List on the Entre' is $1800 or so, but street should be about $1000.

Combine it with the Kenwood Sovereign amplifier (a bit pricey at $3k list, $2k street) and you can distribute audio via telephone jacks throughout your home and play multiple MP3s simultaneously in different locations.

Me, I'm just drooling over the 400+3 disk progessive player...

not completely protection-free (5, Insightful)

Acrucis (132401) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507288)

I saw this thing at LWCE too, and it looks like it will kick ass. However, talking with the guy I asked if it was a standard IDE HDD that could be upgraded. He said that to keep the RIAA sorts happy all the mp3s were stored encrypted and that it was some sort of proprietary interface to keep people from swapping out HDDs. He said that you could pay for them to put in a bigger HDD, but that they had to have something to keep the lawsuits away, and that they were pleased that this was all it took to get approval from the music industry.

UGLY (2)

Refrag (145266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507292)

That is a monstrosity, there is no one anything that ugly will ever have a place in my living room.

Aesthetics do matter!

Stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507295)

So it's a computer with a CDR and a 40 gig hard drive for $1000. Big fucking deal.

Tech Specs (5, Interesting)

Anomymous Coward (303315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507300)

The tech specs are here (pdf) []

in case anyone's curious .....

Re:Tech Specs (1)

DickPhallus (472621) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507386)

I hope I don't have to pay for those :)

Its all about marketing (2, Insightful)

SteveBobson (532108) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507303)

They arent trying to sell this system to the average /.er. They are trying to sell this to the millionaire house wife that is tired of sorting through her 250 different Yanni CDs who doesnt know the difference between a sound card and a credit card.

They started the price extremely high for a purpose, the price will come down, but not before a bunch of the technology deficient purchase them.

Re:Its all about marketing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507334)

I worked for another company making a similar product. The cost of manufacture of these things is over $1,000. They thought that they could sell ads and subs the price with e-commerce between
$300 and $600. Didn't happen.

Re:Its all about marketing (2)

cjsnell (5825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507411)

Actually, I believe that they are trying to sell that Audiotron thing to the average slashdotter. Note the thinkgeek link in the story. This seems to be happening more and more lately. There are a lot less links to the actual manufacturer of the product and more links to places that sell it (ie Thinkgeek). This site used to be about information; now it seems to mostly exist to sell products to us.

nice for non techs (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507306)

cmon, losers, the rest of the world cant build a box for cheaper that does more ... only us techies can do that. :)

Anyhow, release prices rarely stay at that .. I imagine the price will drop.

This still doesn't address the fact that while we're willing to sacrifice sound quality on the road (ie, MP3s), but I don't see any reason to lossy-compress my 200 CDs into an inferior sounding library of music. :)

What is it running? (1)

tplayford (308405) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507312)

Anyone know what it runs?

Linux seems possible, although the CDR drivers are scsi (scsi-emulation is nesasery for IDE) only AFAIK.

Re:What is it running? (0)

Anomymous Coward (303315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507357)

if you look at my other post [] , I posted the tech specs... I looked at them for quite a while, and the OS isnt listed. HOWEVER, it does say that the box will not work with aol and certain free isp's, which leads me to believe it is NOT windows based, so, i'd assume linux, or some hack of HP UX, since that's developed in house? .

For this price... (0)

vinyl1 (121744) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507313)

you could actually buy a decent turntable. A Rega 3 with arm is $700, an MMF-7 is $900 with arm and cartridge.

Leaves you enough for about 200 LPs at todays prices...

vinyl1 (who else?)

Could you beg a little louder? (0, Flamebait)

dgenr8 (9462) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507314)

I'm a little tired of CmdrTaco's shameless begging for every new piece of equipment.

Good but some problems. (2, Informative)

SevenTowers (525361) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507317)

This is from the pdf :
Write Speed Rips up to 4x (encoding MP3 compressed audio) CD-R media: up to 8x CD-RW media: up to 4x Disc finalization time: 2 minutes typical at 2X Audio Performance Encoding rate: 96 Kb/sec, 128 Kb/sec, 160 Kb/sec, 256 KB/sec Default encoding rate: 128 Kb/sec ***************** Operating temperature: 5 to 35 C (41 to 95 F) Operating humidity: 20% to 80% RH non-condensing

- First of all, the website advertises "CDRW write speed up to 8X " although the pdf clearly specifies 4x.
-The encoding rate is quite low... why didn't they include 320Kb? its a 40 gig hard drive!
-35 celsius maximum operating temperature??? ever heard of summer? It often goes over 35 where I live.
-And finally the price. Look at the components, lets give 50$ for the box and power supply, 100$ for the motherboard, 40 for the cpu, 100 for the HD, maybe 30$ for some kind of ram, 15 for some wires and 80 for the burner (8x4x32 probably, am I forgetting something? The total of that is 415... 999 anybody?

But the concept is good, just needs a little tweaking maybe.

Re:Good but some problems. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507381)

Extra costs:

* Development time to integrate the components

* Executive salaries

* Completely reworking the motherboard several times because of reasons that could be of the type: the audio was crappy, BIOS bugs.

* Remote control design

* Front panel design, over and over again

* Front panel VFD is pricey

* Front panel switches, design

* 64M of RAM used to be more than $30

Main Problem (1)

aspillai (86002) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507320)

The main problem I have with these built in recorders is cataloging the music. I find MP3's/OGG to be an excellent compact storage of music. I have a lot of MP3s. Actually, I have more MP3's than I can listen to and keep track of without a tool. For most POP music, the file name is enough for keeping track of pertinent information. But when you get into classical music and some traditional celtic music, the file name isn't enough.

I'm assuming this hardware will allow me to specify a name for the piece. How about adding scans of the CD jewel case? How about information found in the jacket covers? I would never buy this or other such CD-RW because of that. I'm too poor to buy all the CDs I'd want. So, when I rip music, I try to imitate the orginal CD look as much as possible. Maybe for those people who just want to build a quick and dirty collection, this hardware would be good.

Great Idea - Bump this Up! (1)

Distan (122159) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507324)

Oh man, I'm laughing out loud. I just had a GREAT idea.

What HP needs to do to make this a must-have home appliance is to embed a Gnutella client in the box. That would be hilarious!

Too expensive. Not enough capacity (1)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507326)

When the likes of IBM have 100GB consumer hard drives on the market, why should we put up with 40GB ? The electronics on this thing must add up to about $350 retail. So there is one hefty mark-up there.

Having said that, imagine ripping all your CDs onto this thing and having them go with you wherever you go.

I wonder if the RIAA know about this ? You can bet they will get their panties in a bunch about it :-(

Re:Too expensive. Not enough capacity (1)

Whumpsnatz (451594) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507422)

"Having said that, imagine ripping all your CDs onto this thing and having them go with you wherever you go."

Great idea. Think I'll buy an iPod at less than half the price, and do just that.

only if I can hack it (2)

elmegil (12001) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507336)

If I can install my own 80G drive, I can put all my CDs into it. That would rock.

$1000 = not a lot of stuff... (2)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507337)

Microsoft is on top of the game. They'll have an Xbox variant soon that will do all this and then some for lots less. Why does everyone ignore the potential of this market? I'd *love* to have a single box that I could plug the phone, satellite (from any provider, or cable if I prefer), run MP3s, play games, surf the web, and time shift TV content. I'm sure that there is more that I am forgetting, but processing is cheap.

Sure, there are small projects to bring Linux into this arena but MS is close to making them all dead in the water. Just like IE, I'll be quick to support it since there are no other solutions.

If only someone in the industry would pull their head out of their ass. Maybe when all the million distros die off... There's just too much duplication of work right now and not enough in the way of making actual inroads.


Re:$1000 = not a lot of stuff... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507384)

sure. but your M$ box will crash a lot, only play encrypted wav files and you'll be putting security patches onto it every few months to prevent skript-kiddies from playing barbara streisand on it over and over and over and over...

Utter pants (1)

innit (79854) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507340)



Make a version of that with a network port on the back instead of the hard disk, and halve the price, and then we'll talk. Not before.


What about copy protection? (1)

wrero (314883) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507342)

Does anyone know if this has any built in copy protection?

I for one am saving all of my old stereo equipment, computers, hard drives, etc., because someday I just know that they're going to sneak copy-protection into the hardware, and we won't find out that it's there for a few years... and then, we would have thrown away all our old hardware and we'll be stuck.

This thing sounds neat, but I wouldn't want to buy it only to find that I couldn't use it for certain songs because the unit thinks that I'm violating a copyright - when, in fact, I'm actually doing things that are allowed under fair use....

I wonder if they use that internet connection to tell the record companies which songs I have stored, or which songs I've burned onto CD, or how many times I've done it, etc.

I'm sure I'm just being paranoid, but I'm sure they're going to stick it to us sooner or later.

Whoopee! (2)

MrResistor (120588) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507343)

I can throw together a PC that will do all that and more for half the price.

Or I could buy a 200 CD jukebox for even less

So, why is this cool?

specs (2, Informative) (152591) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507346)

internal storage
[definition] 40 GB IDE Ultra DMA drive

CDRW write speed
up to 8X

minimum system requirements
connection to stereo system with a receiver/amplifier via standard audio jacks, TV with composite video or S-video input|connection to internet service, router and appropriate cables for broadband connection

internet connectivity
dial-up: 56K V.90 modem

Intel Pentium® II 566MHz Celeron

music library
create up to 99 play lists

internet radio
listen to worldwide internet radio stations

music storage
stores 750 CDs, 9000 tracks, 635 hours of music

Seems pretty cool, but at almost $1k, that seems pretty pricey for consumer electronics. And, I don't quite like how it's limited to 99 playlists. Also, a basic network interface which would grab a DHCP address (or automatically use something like seems like it would be MUCH more useful than a modem.

Hacking time, anyone? :-)

not enough (2)

No-op (19111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507352)

40G is not enough. something with at least 100 or 200 GB is more appropriate... maybe mirrored as well to ensure data safety. I'd hate to lose my 90GB of music due to a cheap ass IDE drive failing on me.

I know that sounds a bit silly but for $999 bucks I expect more from them :)

Re:not enough (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507377)

As a fanatical collector of kiddie porn, I guess you're pretty knowledgeable about this stuff, huh?

First post (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507353)

to say fuck you, HP!! And lick my nasty ass while you're at it. And in other news, Serikali mpya ya mpito yaapishwa nchini Burundi.
Waziri Mkuu wa Uingereza amekamilisha ziara yake ya Mashariki ya Kati huko Israel na Ukanda wa Ghaza.
Marekani imetoa orodha ya makundi mengine 46 inayosema ni ya kigaidi.
Serikali mpya ya Burundi yatajwa. Kiongozi wa upinzani alalamika kwa kutoshirikishwa.
Serikali ya Afrika Kusini yazidisha matumizi ya kupambana na UKIMWI.
Viongozi Waislamu Kenya wakataa kukutana na wanabalozi wa Marekani kwa mazaungumzo.
Waziri mkuu wa Uingereza apuuzwa na nchi za kiarabu.
Serikali ya mpito nchini Burundi yazinduliwa rasmi hii leo.
Nchi zaidi ya thelathini za afrika zakutana Philadelphia kujadili suala la biashara na Marekani

A cheaper alternative... (1)

RupertJ (520598) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507362)

OK it looks quite nice. But a motherboard, processor, heatsink, 128Mb memory, video card, CDRW, 40gb HD, sound card and case will set you back about £400 (US$575). Plus, you get the fun of coding the front end yourself. You could even go to Bull Electrical [] and pick up some IR gear and attach it to the serial port for about ten quid too, and hey presto, IR control. The HP's case is lovely, but if it's the actual functionality you're after, you can build it cheaper yourself.

$1000 dollars seems a lot for something which can be achieved with any bog standard PC. You could even spray paint a GCT-Allwell [] set top box silver and then replace the DiskOnChip with a cable and 40Gb IDE hard drive and then install Linux or Win98Lite. Plus you get 10/100 NIC and TV-out.

Alternatively, how about an Acer NT-150 STB, you can normally get these off of ebay etc. for about £20 (US$35)

Or, you could buy a really nice cd player... :)

Consumer [sic] product (1)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507363)

I think this will appeal to older folks and the generally non-technical out there with lots of cash. I can think of plenty of people who will buy something like this because they simply DO NOT KNOW that you can hook a COMPUTER to you STEREO. Whether it succeeds or not depends on the "friendliness" of the interface and if HP can get it demo'd at stores.

that doesn't add up... (1)

H0NGK0NGPH00EY (210370) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507364)

Couldn't I just get a kick-arse sound card with digital out, X feet of optical cable, and hook that into my receiver, running the mp3s straight from my computer, all for far less than half the cost?

Dupe post... try something more interesting like: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507374)

... the Winamp3 developer alpha. Pretty nifty so far. Check it out. Much better than day-old news.

Yeah, so what? (1)

tradez (413137) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507382)

Wow, for only 1,000 bucks I can get something that plays mp3s and also burns cds? OR, i could just use the pc I built for 300 bucks and hook up a cheap sound card to be patched through a reciever. There has to be at least an 800 dollar markup on this and should definately be given the award for Sucker-Christmas-Gift for this coming holliday season.

How is this not Lame? (1)

KurdtX (207196) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507389)

iPod ($400) + 40 gig drive ($100) + CDRW ($100) - Firewire ($100) - Portability ("Priceless").

I don't know about you, but I'm looking at a big, ugly iPod that costs about $100 more. Maybe this is useful if you can't live with less than your 1000 favorite songs instantly available and don't want to buy two iPods (which would still be cheaper and smaller).

Not the first.... (2)

mblase (200735) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507412)

Kenwood [] released a similar device not too long ago: the Entre entertainment hub [] . Yeah, it's about twice as expensive, but it's targetted at audiophiles and offers additional features to boot: a graphical user interface that displays on your television, indexing and control of Kenwood's 400-disc DVD/CD player, Internet radio, and homePNA support so you can send audio anywhere else in your house.

A better implementation than HP or Compaq... (1)

robocord (15497) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507421)

but still too expensive. Kenwood [] has a product called the Entre Entertainment Hub [] that truly integrates with a stereo system, controls a DVD changer, and even offers remote listening if you buy the extra Axcess Remote Portal [] gadget. Unfortunately, the Entre all by itself is $1800 and the other bits that hook up to it are similarly expensive.

No Ethernet (2)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507426)

Ooooooh, it's got a shiny 56k modem in it! Fsck me harder. No Ethernet, no chance. I'm tired of all these consumer electronics devices without even a simple cheap-ass 10 mbit Ethernet port. Maybe they don't want to deal with user interface issues of configuring it, but DHCP isn't exactly rocket science, and they could simply require DHCP. I don't need yet another damn modem to fight over my analog lines when I and many others have a perfectly decent LAN behind a NAT/DHCP box with a live internet connection.

Besides, running things over Ethernet means I can run protocol analyzers and proxies and such to help hack a device. :-)

300 CD changer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2507435)

Does anyone know which utility (mp3 app) for the pc or MAC can download random tracks from a 300 cd changer?

Jumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick (1)

mckwant (65143) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507437)

Get one of these FM modulators [] , tack it onto a computer that is(presumably) networked to your MP3 jukebox, figger out the tuning, and go from there.

It probably won't be the highest quality sound, but for $970, I think I can adapt.

Karma Suicide (-1, Offtopic)

istartedi (132515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2507441)

Yes folks, I'm tired. Getting modded up at 50 and getting nothing from it is such a bore. Bouncing around in the high 40s just isn't worth it anymore. In fact, you might even say I'M AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE.

That's why I'm going to blow my Karma brains out, right here on national TV, err... um... international web... err.. whatever. You get the idea.

Heck, I might even go for negative karma. I mean, VA Linux, err... um... VA Software or VA Chicken Processing or whatever business they are in this week is going to fold soon anyway. What difference does it really make? So go ahead mods, do your worst.
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